513. Mikki Willis Awakening: Rejecting Psyops, Collectivism & Left vs. Right Division

Mikki Willis

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Independent filmmaker, Mikki Willis, shares themes from his documentary "Plandemic" and its exploration of societal structures and narratives shaped by events like COVID and 9/11, delves into the impact of collectivism, and proposes his vision for a higher consciousness.

Mikki Willis is a father and independent investigative filmmaker.  After digging for survivors under the rubble of the World Trade Center in 2001, Mikki experienced an awakening that reshaped his life and profession.  Since then, his productions have been used to correct divisive narratives about historic events, and as key evidence in major international court cases.  His most recent production, Plandemic, is the most seen and censored documentary series of all time.

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If you’re open to deconstructing programmed beliefs and new ideas about the future of humanity, today’s episode will propel your mind to new heights. Joining me on the mic today is Mikki Willis, an independent investigative filmmaker whose most recent production, Plandemic, is the most seen and censored documentary series of all time. 

After digging for survivors under the rubble of the World Trade Center in 2001, Mikki experienced an awakening that reshaped his life and profession. Since then, his productions have been used to correct divisive narratives about historic events, and as key evidence in major international court cases. 

In our conversation today, we delve into the pitfalls of collectivism and weaponized compassion, exploring how these concepts have played out in recent history, including during the plandemic.

We also touch on the divisive political landscape, examining the impact of welfare programs and the role of fatherless homes in societal shifts, with insights from Mikki's own life and extensive investigative work. 

Even deeper in the exchange, we discuss how the divine intelligence of nature can usher in humanity’s next level with the assistance of psychedelics and plant medicine. Through examples from our own experiences with the supernatural and indigenous communities, we provide context for how elevating our collective consciousness can set us on a purposeful path. 

Mikki's unique perspective, shaped by his life-changing experiences and his groundbreaking work in filmmaking, promises to offer a profound understanding of the forces shaping our world. 

So, buckle up for an episode that's not just about questioning the status quo but also about finding deeper meaning and purpose in the midst of a complex world that relentlessly tries to separate us from our true nature.

(00:08:23) Weaponized Compassion & Collectivism

  • A collective awakening brought about by technology
  • What introduced Luke to conspiracy theories after 9/11
  • Film: Plandemic 3: The Great Awakening 
  • Why weaponized compassion is a threat
  • Why the idea of collectivism is harmful 
  • Historical puzzle pieces that reveal the structure of society

(00:22:02) The Path to Purpose & Meaning

  • The role of the internet in bringing people together 
  • Exploring the root of our fundamental divide in the left vs. right paradigm
  • Reclaiming purpose through awakening to systems at play
  • How we’re driven by our core beliefs

(00:35:00) The Disintegration of Political Parties 

(00:55:23) Envisioning a World With a Higher Level of Consciousness

  • The future of humanity
  • Tapping into the divine intelligence of nature 
  • Imagining what the proliferation of psychedelics can do for our world

(01:07:18) I Am That, I Am Theory

(01:26:42) An Antidote to the Double-Edged Sword of Fame 

(01:38:53)  What’s Next? Exposing The Climate Change Hoax 

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[00:00:00] Luke: All right, Mikki Willis. What's the next psyop, man?

[00:00:04] Mikki: We're just jumping right in, huh?

[00:00:06] Luke: Yeah. You guys, we were floating in the magnesium pond here out at a ranch in Texas. I don't even know where we are, somewhere in the middle of nowhere in Texas. And we're talking about you can't even keep up with the psyops anymore. It used to be they'd be parsed out.

[00:00:22] You'd get one every couple years, and everyone would freak out, and it destabilize things. And I feel like now, probably because I'm on Telegram too much, I'm just like, we're not even done with the 48-hour-ago psyop. What are they pulling next? It's like the distraction and confusion media machine is just an overdrive. It's like I can't even keep up with the current thing.

[00:00:46] Mikki: It's all by design. All by design. As things start to collapse for those that are at the helm of these agendas, these anti-human and divisive agendas that are really doing damage to our people, our nation, and people all over the world, I think they underestimated us.

[00:01:06] And what COVID actually triggered beyond the horrendous trauma that it's caused so many people and the death, and destruction, and financial burden that people are suffering through right now, I think one of the many unintended consequences is that it's birthed the generation of citizen journalists.

[00:01:27] So when they thought that they would lock the people in their homes and feed them only their three mainstream media narratives, they didn't account for the fact that we all have these little computers in our pockets with encrypted apps that we can now share information with each other.

[00:01:48] And it was amazing to watch people who have been programmed for their whole lives not to talk about politics, to stay out of it, I'm not interested, suddenly become very aware, very interested. And as I've been saying, I travel every weekend to a new state within the United States, and I speak to a new audience every weekend.

[00:02:09] And it used to be that I could go take my latest research and drop it on the audience, and their jaws would drop, and they would look at each other like, I can't believe this is real, and I can't do that anymore. And that's actually a really good thing because now I say something that I think is going to surprise people, and they all go, mm-hmm, yeah. Oh, we knew that. Yeah, we saw that on Telegram. We saw that on Signal. And they usually shout out things that I don't even know. And so the people are becoming very informed.

[00:02:35] And because of that, as you mentioned, PSYOPs, which means psychological operation, are having to become much more frequent because it's like the distractions are more and more necessary because people are getting harder and harder to distract right now. Evident in, look at what happened in the moment Lahaina, the moment Maui had a fire. The narrative that they thought would take hold, climate change. This is the cause.

[00:03:01] I don't know anyone that said that. Immediately people went right to, this is fishy. Something's wrong. And that's a problem for the people that want to push these false narratives. And so they must do everything in their powers to keep us distracted by new crisis.

[00:03:19] Luke: I often think about what this will all look like in 200 years when it's part of history. And I think that the Internet was what the powers that be didn't account for-- the power of the Internet. Maybe subjectively, that's the thing that woke me up, and that was around 9/11. I'll never forget. I was at my friend, Phil's, house, and it was, I don't know, maybe a couple months after 9/11 had happened. And he said, hey, man, isn't that crazy, the 9/11 things? Did you see how that plane hit the Pentagon? I was like, yeah, this shit is wild. And he goes, yeah, but did you see the plane hit the Pentagon?

[00:03:58] I was like, yeah. It's on the news. Everyone saw, duh. He goes, watch this video. He showed me a little eight-minute video. It was before Loose Change and those other long form documentaries came out, and it just plainly showed me that there was less than zero evidence that a commercial aircraft had hit that building.

[00:04:17] And there was no denying it. There was no spin. It was not a conspiracy theory. It's just like, look at the hole in the building, and notice the fact that there are no remnants of a plane anywhere to be seen, and all the surveillance footage is magically gone, and on, and on. That led me down a rabbit hole of getting into David Ike and Alex Jones videos on VHS and the old-school conspiracy theory shit. William Cooper, Edward Griffin, all those guys. And I thought, at the time, what would've happened if there were no Internet, if there was now what you call independent media? All I would've been left with was what my TV was telling me of current events. What was it? The newspaper, the TV. It was all so tightly controlled.

[00:05:06] Mikki: Mm-hmm.

[00:05:07] Luke: And then it seems like there are still masses of people that have faith in their newspaper and their television, but there are more people than ever that don't even go there for their first source of information on an event. I think their Achilles heel ultimately-- and we'll talk about who they are. Everyone has a different opinion on that. But their Achilles heel I think is really the Internet fundamentally.

[00:05:32] That's when the emperor's clothes fell off. It's just like there's no putting that genie back in the bottle, even with censorship, because if you're trying to censor something, then it's like, well, why don't they want me to see that? Why are certain topics just scrubbed from YouTube? If they're just a baseless, crazy conspiracy theory, why can't we just watch them for entertainment and just laugh at the people producing them?

[00:05:56] Mikki: Right.

[00:05:57] Luke: Why are they a threat? If something's a threat, that must mean there's some thread of truth in it. So that's my theory. So we'll look back and go, okay, we're going along, and everyone is asleep. And these totalitarian regimes through all their different permutations were dominating and exploiting humanity. And then this thing called the Internet happened and, poof. So I try to think positive that we're just in the beginning, waking stages of that.

[00:06:23] Mikki: You're actually right on the money. We spotlight in my latest film, the Great Awakening. We spotlight the regime of Mao Zedong and what he did to the people of China, and how he really established the Chinese Communist Party and managed to corral one point, I think it's 4 billion people into a hypnotic state of obedience.

[00:06:43] And Chinese people are really smart, and they're very disciplined. How did he do that? Well, they only had a couple of state sponsored media channels at the time. And when people are locked into their own open air prison with only-- they had Mao's little red book that everyone had to read multiple times a day to condition them and brainwash them. Then they had their state sponsored media channels.

[00:07:20] You're dead right. In this particular, we are in a cultural revolution, which is what Mao Zedong called the conversion of China to a communist state. And that's what they're attempting to do to the United States right now. And we can talk about why it's very important. United States is a firewall for the grand agenda. We can get into that later.

[00:07:26] Luke: Do you think that's because we're so heavily armed as a populace?

[00:07:31] Mikki: We're so heavily armed, but it's also the foundation, our constitutional foundation. And so that experiment that no nation had had as its foundation before, which protects the individual, is what has made United States the number one destination for immigration from all over the world. If it is so racist, so oppressive, so horrible, and we have done horrible things, our government, I should say, has done horrible things throughout the decades, but if it is so bad, why is everyone escaping their nations to come to this nation?

[00:08:03] It doesn't add up unless you understand. What is it they're escaping to? Just a better economy. Our economy sucks right now where the dollar's collapsing. And so what are people really coming to? They're coming to escape the totalitarianism, what they've experienced in their own nations, that we have here that is supposed to protect the individual.

[00:08:24] And what they have gradually done through what I call weaponized compassion, is they've convinced a great deal of our population that you must give up yourself. You must give up your wants and needs for the greater good of the people. And that's what generosity looks like. That's what compassion looks like.

[00:08:43] But what that actually does is have somebody lose their own self-interest. And there's a reason when you're on an airplane, they say, when the mask drops, put it on yourself first. Because you can't help anyone else unless you have oxygen. And so we have all these people around here gasping for air because they're not taken care of, and they're trying to help the collective because they're preying on human compassion.

[00:09:04] And people are compassionate. It doesn't always look that way because we only see the negativity of when humans mess up out there, and when they're mean, and when they're destructive, and when they're murderous. But there's so much good in the spirit of humanity.

[00:09:18] But when we give that away to the hive mentality, and we now give away our own sovereign critical thinking ability, because we think we're serving the whole, we surrender now. Now we're bonded by agreement. And that's where the trouble begins. Because now we have a collective agreement, and that's what bonds us. And if we think outside of that agreement, we lose this intrinsic, primal connection that we need.

[00:09:47] Luke: And it has to be every constituent point of the agreement.

[00:09:51] Mikki: You can be like, hey, transgenderism, that's fine. I don't know that they should be competing in MMA against-- ooh, that might be a little dangerous for biological women. You're now a trans folk. So you have to agree with everything because you're bonded by agreement. And we should just be bonded simply by humanity, by the fact that we are of the same makeup, and we should be celebrating our differences and when we disagree.

[00:10:15] That's where we evolve and grow. But they don't want us to evolve and grow. This is why there's fluoride in our water and our school systems have dumbed down our children. And they don't know. I just saw somebody doing interviews at Times Square asking Gen Z-- have you seen these things, man? And it's like, how many moons does the earth have? Seven. How many dimes in a dollar? 25. It's like, what is happening to these kids? But that's all by design.

[00:10:43] And it's also the foundation of communism. People don't understand. Karl Marx, who pretty much his ideology is the foundation of most communist regimes-- it just is. They all praised Marxisms ideologies. And Karl Marx said that communism can be summed up in a single sentence, which is the abolition of private property. Why would that sum up communism, to take property away from people? For this reason, when you don't own your property, you're less invested in taking care of it.

[00:11:17] So that's how a slum becomes a slum. You don't have to worry about your local politics, your tax codes, any of that because you just have to make enough money to pay your landlord and keep the roof over your head. When you own a home, as you've recently completed the building of your first home, you start to become aware of like, I need to take care of my homes. Get off my lawn. And let's do this right. And let's understand what's going on in my county and my city because it affects me as a property owner.

[00:11:49] And so we literally don't learn the basics of civics, human rights, constitutional rights when we don't own anything. So that's why the World Economic Forum says you'll own nothing. That's the goal, because they want people to be in a place of just, okay, somebody else owns it all. I just have to be a good citizen to be able to maintain my life within this realm that somebody else owns. And I do that by just being obedient. And that's ultimately what the end game goal is.

[00:12:22] Luke: Oh man. There's so many directions I want to go here. Okay, let's go back to your most recent film. So you had Plandemic 1, Plandemic 2, and then the most recent Plandemic 3: The Great Awakening. Saw the first two. Loved them. Went to the premier of three in Austin. And I think I had high expectations because the first two were really well done. This fucking film blew me away. And we were talking about in the water. So forgive me for repeating something I already told you, but for the benefit of the audience that hasn't seen it, first, go see it right now. What's the link?

[00:13:03] Mikki: plandemicseries.com.

[00:13:05] Luke: Okay. plandemicseries.com. And we'll put everything we talk about, by the way, in the show notes at lukestorey.com/-- well, let's just call it /plademic. Plandemic. I don't think I've used that one yet. lukestorey.com/plandemic. But what was so cool about the film aside just amazing production value, especially for films in this genre, which often lack the budget to have production value, they're hard to watch unless you're really invested in learning what they say.

[00:13:32] Mikki: I agree.

[00:13:32] Luke: This was just a gorgeous movie. Just the graphics, the music, just the visuals, everything about it was incredible. But what was so key about it for me was you have all of these societal symptoms and all these bad guys in the shadows, and it comes up in different ways, having to do with the medical system, the education system, some of the things you talked about, just the degradation of our sovereignty and all of that.

[00:14:02] And I think many of us that are interested in truth and freedom get so distracted running around, playing whack-a-mole, trying to figure out what fire put out and who lit the fire. And I think if I got the overall theme of the film, and there was so much historical reference too, which really helped put the pieces together, but it really is fundamentally this idea of collectivism and that collectivism manifests in different, costumes.

[00:14:30] You call it Marxism, or communism, or whatever, but ultimately, it's the idea that you just described. It's like the individual doesn't matter. It's for the greater good. And you look at anything throughout history, any evil that's transpired, it was always with the motto of for the greater good, right?

[00:14:47] Mikki: That's right.

[00:14:47] Luke: The most atrocious, diabolical, genocidal regimes have always used that because it preys on humanity's compassion, weaponization of compassion, as you said. So I just want to give you props for the film.

[00:15:04] Mikki: Thank you.

[00:15:04] Luke: I don't want to say the F word again. I'm trying not to swear because people email me, and they're like, my kids are in the car listening to this. Can you swear less? I'm like, I want to be authentic, but I also want the kids to hear this stuff.

[00:15:16] So yeah, I guess I don't even know if I have a question. How did you arrive at creating such an elegant umbrella under which to put the model? This is what's happening, and the players that are doing it are almost inconsequential because they change faces.

[00:15:34] We were talking about George Soros and, please forgive me, God, but sometimes I think, God, why don't Kissinger, and Soros, and these old demons just die? And the good people can take over. And now Soros's son is reportedly even worse and carries the same ideology and the same bankroll to perpetuate the same evil.

[00:15:54] So it's not the players because you can take the players out of the game. The game is still there. The game board is there, and the game board is, I guess, collectivism. So maybe you could just wax on that overarching theme of the film and the way you see things now.

[00:16:09] Mikki: Yeah. First, thank you for your kind words. And then everything you said after the compliments, I agree with you 100%. I was on stage a couple of months ago, and someone said, they yelled out, I think we just need to take out Klaus Schwab. I said like, there's another Klaus Schwab standing right behind him.

[00:16:25] What we have to do is get to the root of what this is really about. And so the Plandemic 3: The Great Awakening, for me, was I was witnessing people waking up and starting to share puzzle pieces with each other. So I saw it from my mother-in-law to people starting to go, this is suspect. Check this out.

[00:16:47] And then you'd look at a little puzzle piece. If you don't have the box to look at the picture, you look at it, and you go, I think I can make that out. That's grass and maybe water or leaves. Oh wow. That's suspect. You put aside, and then you see the next one, and you start to go, I think if I remember that and I start putting these together, I'm starting to get a picture of something pretty sinister.

[00:17:09] Plandemic 3: The Great Awakening was I said, listen, let's just bring all the puzzle pieces together so we can have them understand the history. I didn't go back into the beginning of history. If I did, I would've gone back to the cradle of civilization, literally, because that's when all of this started.

[00:17:24] But we went back to the beginning of recorded and filmed history to be able to say, this has been going on forever. We've always been under the structure of master slave. So the masterclass is the slave class. And we need to wake up to understand that there have always been these people who consider themselves to be the elite, the kings, the queens, the pharaohs, the princess, the prince.

[00:17:51] And they're superior. It might be their bloodline. It might be the fact that they were dubbed some title that they feel gives them superiority. They might have married into a superior bloodline, whatever it might be. All the peasants are the workforce, and they need them to build the pyramids, to do all the hard labor that they don't want to do.

[00:18:19] We are now reaching an age of automation when those who have dubbed themselves as the elite are now recognizing that-- what happens when the Queen bee realizes we don't need the worker bees anymore? What happens? What do we do with all the worker bees? Because now all they're doing is consuming our food, all of our precious resources.

[00:18:40] They're cluttering up the streets. They're making it hard for us to get around. They're polluting everything. And they're holding us accountable for our sins. They don't like when we choose to have 10-year-old wives or whatever it might be, or traffic these children. They're investigating us. They have now become a threat to our desired way of life. What do we do with these people?

[00:19:05] And that's when we start getting into the real darkness of this, because there are people who want to thin the herd to reduce the population. Klaus Schwab's main guy, his one of his science advisor. Dr. Harari calls us useless leaders. And he made a joke on stage and says, what do we do with the useless leaders? Well, I guess more video games and pharmaceuticals. That was his joke.

[00:19:29] We need to take that seriously. They mean that. More distractions, more harmful things they can be addicted to destroy their lives. We don't want them engaged. We don't want the men of this world to be engaged. Keep shoving them televised sports at them. Keep them so addicted to following other things that have nothing to do with looking in our direction.

[00:19:55] And you mentioned earlier the invention of the Internet, which is for better and worse. It certainly has been incredibly destructive in many ways. But it's the thing that Mao Zedong didn't have and hit Mao Zedong's people. The Chinese citizens didn't have in the '60s during Mao's reign of terror. They didn't have the ability to go check this out, Luke. Did you see this? Check this out. To do what we're doing now, to sit freely, and to share information, and to educate each other, they didn't have that.

[00:20:32] So they're trying to do something that has worked traditionally, and they're so out of touch that they don't understand you're forcing us now to do the one thing that is the end game for you guys, which is we're connecting. We're uniting, and we're sharing information, and we're getting smarter, and we're onto you. And the people that you would never have imagined would be investigators into this. 80-year-old grandmas are watching this.

[00:21:02] Luke: And young people.

[00:21:03] Mikki: Yeah. And young people.

[00:21:04] Luke: That's the thing I find so interesting and inspiring right now. And it seems to be on TikTok because my wife sends me these Tiktoks all the time because she knows I'm into this stuff. I don't think she is as much as I, but she finds some, oh, Luke would love this. It's like some 19-year-old girl breaking down the federal Reserve or something. You know what I mean?

[00:21:28] Mikki: When has that ever happened?

[00:21:30] Luke: Yeah. I'm like, wait a minute. When did this happen? It's great that it's happening. So the truth as much as it's oppressed, it still seems to be spreading. I don't know. Maybe there's just something inherent about human nature that certain ones of us gravitate toward truth and maybe the people that are in the way of our evolution or people that perhaps value safety and comfort more than they value truth. And I've looked at that in the left right paradigm, just to put it broadly, right?

[00:22:07] Mikki: Mm-hmm.

[00:22:07] Luke: You got running around in masks and obeying Dr. Fauci and that whole sect of people. I look at the value system, and it's like, even if you put information in front of someone who's brainwashed that is logical and truthful, the cognitive dissonance prevents them from seeing it. And I've always wondered why that is. And maybe you have a take on this. Seems to be maybe that their inherent value-- and it helps me be more compassionate toward [inaudible].

[00:22:40] Mikki: Yeah, me too.

[00:22:41] Luke: Because my value is fucking truth. Period.

[00:22:44] Mikki: Oh-oh, you did it again.

[00:22:45] Luke: Period.

[00:22:46] Mikki: You said that after.

[00:22:47] Luke: Sorry, kids.

[00:22:48] Mikki: Sorry, kiddos.

[00:22:48] Luke: That's just it. Because I've had to work through that in my own life. I've had to dig through trauma, and addiction, and all of these horrific epochs of my experience in order to arrive at the most authentic version of myself that I am now. And there's so much value in that because I've earned it. So what I value is truth, even if it hurts, even if it's uncomfortable. That doesn't make me better or superior to the person who values safety, and comfort, and boot licking the government.

[00:23:20] Mikki: Right.

[00:23:21] Luke: Even if they know the government is probably going to hurt them, they still would prefer the illusion of comfort just because their value system places safety over truth and freedom. So maybe that's the divide.

[00:23:37] Mikki: I've been saying for 15years.

[00:23:38] Luke: Maybe that's the fundamental divide. What do you think?

[00:23:39] Mikki: Comfort and convenience is killing us.

[00:23:41] Luke: Okay.

[00:23:42] Mikki: But yeah, I had to get to the bottom of the point that you just brought up, and that is, beyond the pandemic series, there's a lot of other work that we do. We do high profile criminal cases. So we did the Covington students. We did Kyle Rittenhouse, these kind of cases that the outcome affects the forward mobility of our country. Those are the ones I get involved in because I realize Kyle Rittenhouse, total self-defense situation, but they're using him to eliminate the Second Amendment, and we are now waking up. I was anti-gun just a few years ago. And we're--

[00:24:20] Luke: Everyone is anti-gun until someone breaks into their house, by the way.

[00:24:23] Mikki: Exactly. And now I own several guns. And so we didn't understand what that amendment was actually placed for. Now people are going, oh, tyrannical government. I didn't think that was even possible in the United States.

[00:24:36] And now we're feeling the wrath of our tyrannical government. Now I see what our Founding Fathers were providing for our protection. I understand that now. We did the film that really helped to get Kyle Rittenhouse acquitted, and I would show that to people.

[00:24:54] I thought that it would leave them feeling relieved. Like, it's so good to know that this kid didn't show up at a Black Lives Matter rally to shoot black people. I'm so glad to know that that narrative was false. And thank you for showing me this evidence because we pieced together every-- we had drone footage and every surveillance camera from the neighborhood, and we pieced together to show his every step.

[00:25:17] And you can't deny it after you saw it that somebody grabbed the barrel of his gun, then they were saying, we're going to kill him, and then he shot and killed somebody. It wasn't even a black person. Most people thought he killed black people. He didn't.

[00:25:28] Luke: He got lucky and got a pedophile.

[00:25:30] Mikki: Yeah, right. He said. Not me. So I would show people this video, and they would get mad at me. I say, what? It's here. Why are you mad at me? I thought you'd be relieved. And they'd say, yeah, why are you going to the dark side? You're right winger. I said, no, no. I was far lefty my whole life. I'm not there anymore.

[00:25:53] Luke: You're a Bernie bro.

[00:25:54] Mikki: I was a Bernie bro. That's what woke me up. I was on the road with Bernie, and we can get in that later too. But I was amazed, and I thought, what is going on here? They're mad at evidence. And I had to dig deeper. And during the process of the Great Awakening, it really landed for me. I realized. I went, okay.

[00:26:13] Carl Young has always said there's a crisis of meaning on this planet. So they have set up an environment where very few people are doing what you're doing. You have a meaningful life. You're doing something that matters here.

[00:26:27] But the majority of the people are living out their worker bee slavery. That's how they feel. They're like, I'm going every day to a gas station to push buttons and to take somebody's money. And this wasn't my dream as a kid. I wasn't eight years old thinking someday I want to work at a gas station.

[00:26:43] Now, there's nothing against that job. I'm not trying to discredit that job, but I've talked with a lot of people that will say, I had dreams. I had a purpose when I was young, and it wasn't this. And so when you get this feeling of a culture of people that are just maintenance workers, I'm just trying to maintain the roof over my head.

[00:27:08] I'm trying to maintain my car, my phone bill. It just put some food on the table. I'm just a maintenance worker at this point, and I know I'm not serving my highest purpose. I know I'm not doing anything that my degree that I went to four years of college I thought would permit me to do in this life. It sucks.

[00:27:27] So many people are feeling that. And then you come along. These people know just how to do that. They set up this environment, a culture of meaninglessness, and then they come along, and they say, these people are the evil ones. They're the bad ones. And if you want to be the good one, put on the mask. Obey what we're saying.

[00:27:45] And now you get to be the righteous ones, doing what's right, saving grandma's life. Following the science, you're the smart ones. You're the good ones. And now I get to, for really no investment, 25-cent mass. I don't have to pass any test. I don't have to go through bootcamp or do a workshop. I can suddenly go-- and then I can look at you from across, hey, we're on the same tribe. We're in the same tribe. Good for you, man. I'm one of you now. Now I suddenly have purpose.

[00:28:15] Luke: To fill the gap of a life--

[00:28:17] Mikki: I'm connected to a meaningful tribe that's saving lives. So again, they're prying on that human quality that we want to do something good in this lifetime. And then a guy like me comes along, a guy like you comes along and says, here's the truth. And what it really means to that people is you are threatening my newly found connection that I have longed for for the past 10, 20, 30, 40 years.

[00:28:45] If I believe what you just showed me, I've lost my tribe because I'm bonded by agreement. And if I believe that, I'm out of the tribe. And I know that's how it works. So get out of my face with that truth, please. Because I'd rather just be connected to a meaningful tribe. And that's why so many people don't want to hear it.

[00:29:02] Luke: Wow. Yeah. I think the phenomenon of that aspect of our culture is so interesting to me because it's hard to put yourself in someone else's shoes. Because I've managed to eke out what is a meaningful life to me. I know my purpose in life. I'm doing it every day. So it's hard for me to put myself in the shoes of someone who just wants to be accepted and virtue signal their way into feeling righteous or feeling important.

[00:29:38] It's hard for me to imagine that because that's not the way I derive value from my life. I really don't care if I'm the weirdo. I've been the weirdo my whole life. Why change now? So it's interesting to me. I've examined that, but I haven't looked at it from that angle. The furthest I've arrived is what I described earlier of just like, what are your core values? Truth or comfort?

[00:30:01] Mikki: Yeah.

[00:30:02] Luke: But I guess there's an inherent comfort in, oh, I put on my mask. I'm fitting in. I'm following the dictates of the news show I watched last night and what my neighbors are doing, and I don't want to be the outcast. There's also that piece too, right?

[00:30:17] Mikki: There is.

[00:30:18] Luke: Of the social acceptance and not wanting to be rejected. Our most fundamental is the social instinct, right?

[00:30:26] Mikki: But that's why, if I could interject, this event that you and I are at this weekend is so important. And these are happening all over the nation and all over the world. It's so important because the people that have adapted to the connection of that false tribe, that false community, the community that's bonded only by agreement, and they feel the fragility of it, they know.

[00:30:53] They know that if they come out to say one thing that is outside of that collective agreement, that they're going to be ridiculed and canceled online. They know that. And so they feel the insecurity of their tribe. And then when they see events like we're at right now, and they start to see-- that's why we did our premier so big, because we want people to go, 2,500 people in one theater celebrating, laughing, dancing, all sharing truth.

[00:31:20] Luke: It was so fun.

[00:31:21] Mikki: It was amazing. But then they actually can see like, okay, I can actually be myself. I can be honest. I can be authentic. I can choose this tribe where I can't be any of that. Or I could come over there to this tribe where I can be all of that, and be myself, and feel like I'm loved and appreciated for myself, even if I disagree with all 2,500 people in this room. Our crowd would go, awesome, coach.

[00:31:46] Luke: That's a great distinction. Yeah. Because if I take those 2,500 people in that theater and interviewed every one of them about my top 10 core beliefs about the world, we would probably disagree on many things, but we fundamentally agree on the value of humanity and the value of love, the value of truth, the value of freedom. There are fundamental values upon which we agree, and the rest of it is just like, oh, you like Trump? I don't. Whatever.

[00:32:14] Mikki: Whatever.

[00:32:14] Luke: It's like, who caress?

[00:32:15] Mikki: Right.

[00:32:16] Luke: Your sexual preference, your race, it's like, what? It's so superficial and so insignificant when you have that unifying core value or that set of--

[00:32:24] Mikki: Yeah. Well said.

[00:32:25] Luke: There's so many other details that are just less important. But you still get that sense of community. You still know, well, we're all on the same team here. We're pro humanity however that looks in its detail. I got to ask. I fail to see the appeal in 99.999% of politicians.

[00:32:49] Mikki: Mm-hmm.

[00:32:50] Luke: I don't know very much about Bernie Sanders. I'd see him on the Internet here and there, and they're pro Bernie people and not. He, to me, is one of the most uncharismatic people I think I've ever seen in my life. And I was always so fascinated how he amassed followers.

[00:33:08] Mikki: Because of that.

[00:33:09] Luke: You have a Donald Trump, which is like, people are going to love him, or people are going to really, really hate him because of his ego and just his personality. I think I saw Bernie on Joe Rogan or something. I was like, God, this guy's just such a grouchy, just toxic, negative-- I go, what is the appeal? I'm just curious.

[00:33:31] Mikki: Yeah, I think it's a lot of just that. When you look at Trump and you look at Bernie, people are tired of the charismatic liars. They're tired. We just came out of Obama. That was the first president I voted for. I teared up when he was inaugurated, and four years later, I was going, where's the hope and change, dude?

[00:33:50] How many wars have you started? I thought you were the peace guy. I thought you were the family-loving America, bringing morals back. And all I know is racism is ramping up. All this stuff is coming during your presidency, so I think you're responsible for some of it. What happened to that beautiful man that I thought I was voting for?

[00:34:10] What happened there? And so I think coming off of Obama, then we see this gruff little messy haired character talking about the establishment and negative about Hillary Clinton and all the establishment, we're like, that's how I feel right now. I'm tired of being bamboozled by these slick suit-wearing, facades.

[00:34:29] Luke: Got it. Okay, okay.

[00:34:31] Mikki: And same with Donald Trump. He comes with a whole other realm of bombastic statements and crude, and people are going, I don't know. That's disgusting what he just said, but I'd almost rather have somebody who's bold enough to be that damn honest on camera than have them say all the right things, like Obama did, and do all the wrong things off camera.

[00:34:56] And so that was one of the attractive points of Bernie Sanders. And then it was his rhetoric. Quite frankly, I was raised by a single mom on welfare, and hearing him talk about an experience that I lived as a child, helping. We got to help the women, the people at the bottom. It's these rich people at the top that have no concern and compassion for the experience of the people that have been-- my mom, her husband was killed, and left her alone with four children. And so it's like, where was the help other than welfare? And the welfare destroyed my mother's dreams. That taught me so much about government programs and why I woke up from being a democratic socialist with Bernie on the road to suddenly putting it together.

[00:35:40] I didn't put it together until I was on the road with Bernie, and I started to realize, oh, wait a minute here. These programs feel benevolent. And when people really need a hand up--not a handout but a hand up-- it's like we've fallen hard times. Someone gets sick. Their insurance doesn't take care of them.

[00:35:57] Let's help that person regardless of the race, any of it. Let's help our fellow humans. But what happened to my mom was the system is designed in such a way, which is why we have a fatherless issue in our world massively. And it's destroying the next generations, because mother and father are very, very important to have that.

[00:36:19] It's like the moon and the sun. It provides different energies for nature at different times that are totally necessary for nature to flourish. And children need that same way. And I was raised without a father, and I watched what happened to my mother. She got on the welfare program, and they incentivized her to keep a man out of the house.

[00:36:39] She's a beautiful woman, heavy set, but beautiful, and just glowing, beautiful spirit. And men would fall in love with her. And everyone would be like, Jackie, he loves you. He's proposed to you. Why'd you say no? She was so afraid. She was so traumatized by what happened to the love of her life that she was so afraid that if this one comes in, I'm going to lose my welfare assistance.

[00:37:04]  And if he goes away, if he dies, like my first one did, or if he just leaves me, like a lot of men do, I don't know how long it'll take me to get back on the program. And what am I going to do for that six months? My children are going to starve. So this constant fear. So the government had her in a stranglehold.

[00:37:22] My mom used to talk to me all the time as a little boy. We'd watch TV, and she'd say, someday I want to go to France. Oh, someday I'd love to go to Italy. But buddy, I'm going to take you there. She never left the United States in her whole life. And it was because of these government programs that are set up to keep people in that state of poverty and dependency.

[00:37:43] That's really what's happening. That's why there's so many of these things. People who don't know what's going on, it seems illogical. Like, why would they create a law? Why would they want to defund the police?

[00:37:55] I know we have some bad cops. We need to take care of the brutality and issues that we have, but defund all police in a given city? That doesn't make sense. Why would we do that?  Why would San Francisco make the moves San Francisco's making to decriminalize any theft under a $1,000? Go down to Market Street and see the boarded up stores. It used to be this just the most beautiful city in the United States.

[00:38:22] And it is a homeless drug addict utopia right now. And why are the major hotels leaving all the major stores, Neiman Marcus and all these iconic stores that used to be synonymous with the beauty of San Francisco? They're gone. Why? Because they incentivized criminals to go in daily multiple times, and they can take under, I think it's $980, and they just have to let them go.

[00:38:53] They won't prosecute them. And so they know. They add it up, and they go, I'm going to come here and take this today. And there's video of managers of Walgreens just watching people walk in, bring a bicycle in, a big garbage bag, and they just take everything off the shelf. They drive out. And news reporters are like, this just happened right in front of you. Why don't you do something? He's like, because we can't. We can't even call the authorities because they won't come if we tell them what it is.

[00:39:19] And so all these smash and grab robberies have driven. So then you go, Pelosi and Newsom, and why would these people create a law that would make it impossible for these businesses to survive? And they see what's happening. They saw within the first six months, because they want them to close. That's the whole goal. They want to cripple the city, it's finances, it's thriving economy.

[00:39:49] And then they sell the people who come in to buy these defunct buildings are the BlackRocks, and the State Streets, and all these major asset management firms that come in and they gobble it all up for pennies on the dollar. You will own nothing. You won't be happy, but you will own nothing.

[00:40:09] And that is why I focused on communism. Some people are like, oh, communism. No, because that really is the definition of communism. It's when the state owns everything. And so the state, what's the first thing that the mayor of Maui said day two of the fires? I'm already talking to the state for the state to purchase Lahaina property. And so they want the governments-- and then it's consolidation of all the property being owned by first the local governments, and then that local government becomes one world government where they now have total control over all power, all resources, all cities, all counties. That's what they want.

[00:40:52] Luke: I can't believe that it's actually happening. Going back again to my early conspiracy awakening days, watching, I think it was the Alex Jones film, Endgame. And I used to watch that stuff just-- it was like entertainment. It was like watching science fiction or a not so bloody horror movie and be like, oh, this shit's crazy.

[00:41:14] There's something about it that's just interesting. It's this dystopian outcomes that you think, well, some of the stuff they're saying is true because you can see it right now in real time. You see that 9/11 wasn't what we were told it was, but come on. One world government? How could they all become organized?

[00:41:31] You start to play it out. You're like, that's impossible. No one would ever allow that to happen. They wouldn't have the wherewithal to put that together. And thinking back, it's like, oh shit, some of these nuts were right. It's like maybe they weren't right about everything, but they were right about some of the most important things, like you just described, of the elimination of private ownership and just putting people in the-- I think the thing that didn't happen was FEMA camps. But it's like, well, we even saw that during the plandemic. There were little outcroppings of quarantine centers and things like that, so it wasn't maybe widespread.

[00:42:09] Mikki: Almost all the conspiracy theories are coming true, man. I remember hearing a few years ago, people were like, they're closing down all the Walmarts, and they're going to house trafficked children and immigrants in their close down Walmarts. And I was like, you people are out of your-- they're doing that. It's on video. We have it. It's like they're actually doing that right now. Closed down Walmart, housing 1500 or more, illegal crossers, and a lot of the children being trafficked from these locations. They were right about that.

[00:42:39] I had these two young men come to me 2011. This is how against any of this I was, 2011. They kept reaching out to me, and they're like-- in my little local fishbowl of Los Angeles, I started to do some independent media. And so people were starting to recognize that I was starting to do some stuff that might be leaning towards this truth teller world.

[00:43:05] And I had these two young men that were kept reaching out to me, can we have a meeting with you? And I was like, why? We have some information we need to share with you. It's vague. I don't have time for that right now. And finally, I was like, okay, come on over. We lived in Ohio, California. And these two young men came over. And they sat down and laid out this whole thing for me. They were probably 23 at the max.

[00:43:24] They're just like, as soon as they used New World Order, I was like, I didn't make time for this. Okay, what's next? And they had all these terminologies that I was, illuminati. Oh yeah. Okay. Now I know what I'm talking to here. I'll just be polite and let them finish. And they broke it all down. And I arrogantly was like, young men, I don't know who you've been learning this stuff from, but this is America, and that sounds pretty, pretty far out there, buddy.

[00:43:52] And now I'm like, shit. 12 years later, those young men were right. I was wrong. Alex Jones is a very dear friend of mine, and if you look at the back of his book, I put a little endorsement on there, his new book that just came out called The Great Awakening. And I said,mainstream media is wrong 80% of the time and right 20% of the time. And no one ever holds him accountable for that. Alex Jones has been right 80% of the time and wrong 20% of the time, and he's totally persecuted.

[00:44:27] Luke: Yeah.

[00:44:27] Mikki: And just look at the imbalance of that. That tells us something.

[00:44:32] Luke: Absolutely. Have you ever read this book I think it's called The Greatest Superstition by Larken Rose. I'm going to send you this book, dude. I have been guilty of becoming aware of some of the issues that we're describing here today, and thinking that a knight in shining armor politician, or a new form of government that's maybe not been tried before or not been tried in its most effective organization is going to maybe-- some people thought it was Donald Trump or it's going to be RFK or whoever rise.

[00:45:13] And when somebody, especially now, when someone in the political sphere acknowledges some of these issues that used to be conspiracy theories, they think, oh man, they're going to come save us. And in this book, I got to interview this guy. He basically creates the case that all governments since the inception of government, have been the largest cause of death throughout all of history.

[00:45:41] And the essence of the book is that where we're lost is in believing in the superstition that one human being has the inherent right to rule over another human being. It's this fantasy or hallucination of authority that you could walk in here and tell me what to do. Who are you? Well, we put a title on you, and then I go, oh, okay. He's a police officer, or he's part of the military, or whatever. He's a politician. He is a senator or congress person.

[00:46:13] And it's such an interesting book because it made me just want to disavow the entire idea of politics altogether because it seems like no matter what form government takes on, it eventually devolves into something that is harmful to the population, that goes against humanity.

[00:46:42] And the interesting thing about that in this book is he talks about how even when you take a morally sound person and they adopt the belief, this hallucination of authority in themselves, and that's corroborated by the people that support them, that they will eventually become corrupt because the system in which they're enlisting is inherently corrupt and is doomed to fail, no matter if you call it democracy, or communism, or socialism, or what you want to call it.

[00:47:13] And that we get caught up in, oh, social isn't bad. Communism isn't bad. It's democracy. But we're already in a democracy, and look where we are. I don't know what the solution is. I haven't gotten that far in the book. I think it's something akin to anarchy or self-governance and reliance on the inherent goodwill and morality of humanity as a whole. And that we actually don't need politicians, and we don't need the military, and we don't need law enforcement, not defunding the police. Defund the entire operation from top to bottom.

[00:47:50] I don't what happens on the other side of that, but as I did these thought experiments to think, okay, what if right now there was no Lakeway police, the town I live in Austin. There's no Lakeway police, I couldn't call them. You think about who's going to build the roads. I'm thinking all this through, and I go, well, I'm being extorted for my energy, my money, and they take my money and spend it on things without my consent. I never asked for that road, actually. Maybe I want to ride a horse.

[00:48:19] Mikki: Yeah.

[00:48:19] Luke: So say I'm in a situation where I'm threatened and I want to call the police. Well, if there were no police around, then I would defend myself, and I would be relying on the goodwill of my neighbors with whom I had built relationships. And we would probably band together and keep out the bad guys out of our neighborhood on our own.

[00:48:37] And no one would be coercing or forcing anyone else to their will because they were bestowed with some title, like, king, queen policeman, politician, whatever. I haven't arrived at the ultimate solution, but do you think there's any hope for the model of government in any form?

[00:48:56] Because its track record shows. Let's put on paper. Track record shows all forms of government end in some form of genocide. And I don't know where we were before that in hunter-gather days. I have a sense, and I don't know-- it's not my area of expertise-- but I think maybe you have a tribal elder, tribal leaders. Maybe there's a council that's making decisions for and on behalf of their tribe. I think if someone got out of line, the majority of the moral people in the tribe would oust them.

[00:49:28] Mikki: Mm-hmm.

[00:49:30] Luke: So would that work at scale?

[00:49:33] Mikki: Let's unpack this.

[00:49:34] Luke: Yeah. You know were I'm going with this?

[00:49:35] Mikki: I know exactly where you're going with it, and I just want to say, first of all, I love the way your mind works. I really appreciate the way that you form your curiosity and the thoughts. We need more of that because these are the questions that are bestowed upon us, the people, to find answers to. Because you're right. No one's going to come in, no shining armor, white knight, whatever's, and suddenly save the day.

[00:50:05] It will never happen, and never has, and never will. My answer is going to be a little esoteric, but I've put a lot of thought into similar questions that you just asked, and that is, what is the real solution here? What do we do? And there are definitely some government structures that I feel that we can do on a local level that we need to start applying local governance.

[00:50:31] I'm not an anti-anarchist, no government guy. I get that model, and I think it ultimately would be the best model if we weren't living in a world of very confused, mentally ill people. This is a reality we have to-- if we took all this speed limits off the streets, a small degree portion of society are going to abuse that freedom, and they're going to end up killing one of our family members.

[00:51:05] And that irresponsibility is the problem. The fact that we've lost all sense of honor, integrity, accountability, all these really important virtues that are not incentivized anymore. We're being demoralized. And that's why we can't have no government right now. People will take advantage of that, and they will come to your home, and they will out-gun you, and they will take everything you have. That will happen immediately.

[00:51:36] Luke: But the government's doing that anyway.

[00:51:38] Mikki: The government's doing it anyway.

[00:51:40] Luke: It'll just be a different mask on the same face. I get where you're going.

[00:51:45] Mikki: And we might be headed there to where people are in the street actually in some level of civil war where they're pushing us towards that. And if we take the bait, then we're going to end up there. I hope we don't take the bait. But my esoteric answer to this is what I feel is coming probably not within our lifetime, that's the disappointing side, because, boy, I'd love to see this arrive and be able to witness what it looks like in action. And there's a divine intelligence that is broadcasting at all times.

[00:52:18] And it is that divine intelligence-- you can call it God, you can call it nature, whatever you want to call it, doesn't matter to me, but there is an intelligence that we will never reach, that AI will never reach. Nothing will be more intelligent, more brilliant and resilient than this thing we call nature.

[00:52:38] So this divine broadcast, once we start seeing our bodies-- let me back up for a moment. So here's analogy that will help people better retain what I'm about to share. I believe that our inventions are an out picturing of us. We get a vision. Somebody is given a vision of something. We call it an invention, or an innovation, but it's actually somebody receiving information to help us understand where we're going.

[00:53:09] One example is this. Years ago, we created the first personal computer, and it didn't do much. It was limited to whatever the factory put on its hard drive. And we could maybe put it on a floppy disc and upgrade it a little bit, but that's pretty much all it could do. Then we create this thing called the worldwide web.

[00:53:31] Now every little personal computer becomes a supercomputer with infinite access to intelligence from who knows where. I believe we are starting to reach an era where-- we're going to understand that was a blueprint that we created to understand where we're going with these human instruments called our bodies, that we will be going online. And I've been online.

[00:54:00] And if anyone's ever done deep psychedelic work or whatever, you end up tapping into this broadcast, and everyone in the room has a very similar unifying experience. And I've never heard-- of all my work, I did it for seven and a half years. I traveled all over the world doing ayahuasca ceremonies.

[00:54:17] My wife and I did. And in all that time, no matter if we were downtown LA on a rooftop of a high rise, where we used to do it, was fun, to the top of the Andes with a tribe who'd never had ayahuasca before, the outcome, when the ceremony's over and everyone shares their experience, I've never once heard anyone say, I just learned that I am separate from everything, and that my life is meaningless. I've never heard anyone say that, right?

[00:54:48] Luke: Me either.

[00:54:49] Mikki: What you hear is, I could see that I was connected to everything. Everything is energy, and I'm connected with the plants, and the people, and everything is divine in my life. Especially the tragedies happened for me and not to me to build the character that I am now. I've never been more ready to pursue the big game.

[00:55:13] This is what people wake up to realize once they get past that little hard drive that was programmed by grandpa, daddy, society, that limited hard drive. When we have the opportunity to go online and access the broadcast of this incredibly divine intelligence, that's when the disagreements stop, because now it's not an ideology.

[00:55:38] It's that I actually see you and I actually know that you're part of me. I know that in the same way that I can understand through our technology, that my cell phone can be energetically connected to your cell phone and we can have a communication, you can take a photo, send it through the air, and it can reassimilate into my phone the exact replica of what you shot from your location, it's amazing. This is an out picturing of what these bodies are capable of. But these technologies and modalities have been kept from us.

[00:56:13] Luke: 100%.

[00:56:14] Mikki: And so when we learn how to access them, to use them, then there won't be need for a government anymore because we're going to be rightfully operating within an environment where we're fully aware of all the other bodies around us. And we're not going to do a 145 miles an hour down a street knowing that there might be children playing.

[00:56:33] We're going to be aware that we are a functioning vital cell in the body of this experience we call life, and we don't want to damage it because we're here to bring it life. And that's when things are going to change. But like I said, unfortunately, I don't think it's going to happen in our lifetime.

[00:56:47] Luke: Yeah, I'm doubtful about that too. What I'm hearing there, and I share this worldview completely, if this is what you're saying, how I would say it is the purpose of our being here in this duality is to be provided with an opportunity to elevate to higher levels of consciousness. And as each one of us pops, we radiate the level of consciousness that we're currently experiencing and that has a magnetic pull toward others that lifts them up. The whole be the change you want to see in the world principle.

[00:57:20] So I think what's happening when I envision a world without these diabolical governments is I am envisioning everyone being at the level of consciousness that me and all my homies and you and everyone here are at. If it was just all us, we don't need those bastards because we're connected.

[00:57:45] And we know that we're connected-- the Internet of consciousness. And so I think it's a little bit of a fantasy, and I'm just reaching forward into the future probably, not in our lifetimes, like you said, to a point at which the overall level of consciousness on the planet is that the majority have some stable degree of moral standing.

[00:58:11] Mikki: Mm-hmm.

[00:58:12] Luke: And that that moral standing would be the majority to such a degree that those that lack moral standing and are a danger to society would be taken care of, if not uplifted. So when I said earlier, looking back, the Internet is when everything. Everyone knows, with the Internet, everything changed, but in terms of the matrix starting to crumble, it was the Internet. I think that the next phase of the matrix crumbling is what you just described. It's the proliferation of psychedelics in the world--

[00:58:46] Mikki: Mm-hmm.

[00:58:46] Luke: When they're not just a thing that people took at Woodstock and go to freak out, which is how I got introduced to psychedelics while I was too young for Woodstock, but used to go to dead shows and just fry on acid and have a great time. I had no idea for years that these substances had the potential to do what you describe, to give me the gnosis that I am you, and you are me, not, as you said, an ideology or something I read in a spiritual book or at a new age conference. I know that to be true. It's in my DNA. It's in our DNA.

[00:59:22] Now for me, that just happened to take-- I mean, it took maybe 22 years of meditation and then getting into psychedelics, right? So when I landed in a journey, I was like, oh, this is that thing I've been meditating on, or the books I've been reading about, non-duality, and consciousness, and yada yada. Oh, this is the fucking thing. I'm in it. Now, the key is, how do I leave the maloca and stay in it, even though that substance is no longer in my bloodstream?

[00:59:51] And that's that integration. But I am very hopeful. There's a lot of landmines in what's happening with the psychedelic world at the moment. And I'm sure many people are aware of that. It doesn't come without risks. And when you enter into the commodification and all of that, it's very complex, and I wouldn't begin to understand it.

[01:00:12] But I just know subjectively, and so many people in my inner circle have had tremendous awakenings and come out the other side and have healed their traumas and no longer traumatize other people, and were formally immoral and lacked virtue and character and have somehow gained it, all of that.

[01:00:32] So maybe the world I'm envisioning where the government is nullified because it's unnecessary and ineffective is going to take a huge leap in consciousness, and maybe psychedelics and who knows what else are going to play a part in that, right?

[01:00:47] Mikki: Mm-hmm.

[01:00:47] Luke: And I know that it's possible because it happened for me in my own life subjectively, and I'm not special. I was once amoral and corrupt and harmed other people indiscriminately. I was self-centered, and selfish, and violent at times.

[01:01:02] Mikki: I never was.

[01:01:03] Luke: All sorts of shit. I won't say I'm a rotten person. I was a sick person. I was a wounded kid. I was a wounded kid that went out of the world with no capacity to hold that. And so it was survival. And I live like an animal. And much of the population lives like animals because they've got that trauma that's sitting there festering. And when those people, like you said, are the ones driving 145 running over your kids, well, who's going to stop them?

[01:01:32] Mikki: Who's going to stop them?

[01:01:33] Luke: There has to be enough people that are awake to outnumber them to stop them.

[01:01:37] Mikki: I have a theory that I've been holding onto for many years and really exploring it. But this is where I get into the theory part of things. I found it interesting when I first learned that,  biblically, the name of God is I AM that I AM. What? I remember when I first heard that, like, what does that-- I AM that I AM? How is that a name? And I did a movie many years ago. It's called the Moses Code. It's not a great movie. I told my 9/11 story. I don't know if you know my 9/11 story.

[01:02:08] Luke: No.

[01:02:08] Mikki: Oh, it's a story.

[01:02:10] Luke: All right, come back to it.

[01:02:11] Mikki: It was the first time that I shared my 9/11 experience in a movie. But it was interesting. I learned from the production of this movie. It was about I am that I am, and it was called the Moses Code. It's silly, but it's not. It's also very profound. And it was suggesting that there was supposed to be a comma in that sentence. I am that, I am.

[01:02:34] Luke: Oh, there you go.

[01:02:36] Mikki: Oh. Wait a second. Now. So if that is our original way of being, of knowing that I am that I -am--

[01:02:44] Luke: And I am everything that I see. Yeah.

[01:02:47] Mikki: Yeah. Then is it possible that to play this game of individuality, that there's a code within our minds that has us constantly looking for where I am not that? Because it's really easy for us to find disagreement with each other, but it's hard sometimes for people to find out what they love about life and each people. They can complain all day long. And so the mind appears to be very busy at finding our differences where we can constantly go, I would never say that. I would never do that. I'm not him. I'm not that. I'm not those people.

[01:03:21]  So we could play this game of individuality. So we could be these cells in one organism of life, but then have this experience as an individual. Is it possible that somehow we decided long ago to create this code of amnesia that has us forget that I am that I am?

[01:03:40] Because we have to ask what is the function of psychedelics that actually bring people into this instant awareness within three hours or so? They don't have it their whole life. They might be 60 years old, never had that experience, and they drink a little tea, and next thing they're having a profound religious experience of understanding that they're connected to all that is. What allows for that to take place?

[01:04:03] It appears to be that that code, that thinking busy momentum of the mind stops for a moment, which is why you mentioned meditation, which is also the value in meditation. Because if you can learn to just be without all of the agendas, and thoughts, and analyzing things, that's when something else comes through, this  guidance, this clarity.

[01:04:26] You've had that many times in meditation, where you suddenly come out, and I didn't even ask this question, but suddenly I understand what the next move in my life is right now. And so is it possible that the psychedelics from nature, take ayahuasca, most of them-- there are some synthetic psychedelics that are effective, but most of them are made by this divine intelligence. And somehow they learn. You mix them together, and it creates this experience.

[01:04:56] Luke: You know the one that gets me-- hold that thought. Yeah, sorry to interrupt. Is the Bufo, the 5-MeO-DMT. That one.

[01:05:01] Mikki: That was the first one?

[01:05:04] Luke: Not only the experience of it, but just the cosmic joke of the creator, whatever it is, going, I'm going to put the key to the entire universe in this one reptile that exists in a small stretch of land between what we now call the Southwest United States and Northern Mexico, in this one desert. Just in this one place. Just this one toad, this substance that allows you to experience the totality of everything that ever was and ever will be for about five minutes.

[01:05:36] Mikki: It's crazy.

[01:05:37] Luke: It's just like, come on.

[01:05:40] Mikki: If you take that even further and look back at the fact that all the medicine and food we'll ever need grows from the ground-- and if there isn't a case for the creator, for a benevolent force, call it Jesus, call it God-- I like to leave it open for people to find their own interpretation.

[01:05:59] I pray to Jesus. I've learned that since the release of Plandemic 1, I found myself more and more and more aware. I had a profound Christ experience in 2008, spontaneous, came out of nowhere. Maybe on the next podcast, I'll tell you the whole experience because it's wild.

[01:06:14] But it actually opened me up to something that I was very judgmental of my entire life, which is there is an intelligence that we have named Jesus that is available. And this entity actually ended up speaking to me and coming into my experience randomly when I was at a Mexican restaurant, and I had to go home and have this whole out-of-body experience. It was wild.

[01:06:35] I don't want to-- because it's a long story. A little bit of a tease, but it opened me up to go, I had an aunt and uncle that became born in Christians. And when I was little, the whole family disowned them because they were trying to convert everyone. So I was like, just stay away from that Christian stuff.

[01:06:52] But being on the front line of this battle and traveling all over the world literally, and recognizing certain archetypes of people and trying to figure out what is it about this particular person, nine times out of 10, when I'm really impressed by the character of someone, they turn out to be a Christian follower. And I'm like, there's something here that I have missed out on my whole life that I'm now open and embracing in a new way, but in my way, not in a way that--

[01:07:21] Luke: Oh man.

[01:07:21] Mikki: Not in a way that leaves me in this dogmatic fear that I've seen the extreme side of it. He quit. I was ready to let him go. He quit, someone who was working on our production team, only because his beliefs were so dogmatic, so narrow that it was affecting the editing of our work. Because if somebody mentioned meditation, he's like, no, that's a double stool. And I'm like, come on, dude. Come on.

[01:07:48] Like, come on. You live in so much fear, man. And so there's that side of it that goes too far. But anyway, staying on the point. Opening up to really embrace that there's this divine broadcast that's happening out there and somehow, the psychedelic work sets the mind aside, or slows it down, or puts it on pause for just long enough for this experience to happen, where, oh, I don't know where it's coming from, but it's just flooding through me with truth.

[01:08:19] And it doesn't resonate in the mind as true fault. It doesn't resonate. As you know, the entire body lights up with remembering. You're not learning the truth. And I learned this because I spent a lot of time with indigenous cultures all over the world, and three different times, I'm in sweat lodges or wherever I am.

[01:08:38] And I made the mistake. Because I'm coming in as a filmmaker, and a lot of indigenous people have been used and abused by Western filmmakers. And so there's always this suspicion of, you need to come, sweat lodge. You need to smoke a pipe with us, whatever it is, and we need to fill your spirit before we're going to allow you into our community.

[01:08:56] And so I'd always have to go through this initiation, and I made the mistake about three times. And they say, why are you here? I'm just here to learn. There's nothing for you to learn. I said, what do you mean? What you really want to do is remember. You're born with all the knowledge you need.

[01:09:17] You people in the West, your minds are just so filled with data that you need to unlearn  and remember the simple, basic foundation of who and what you are and all of the other little things, how to drive a car, those are the things you learn. But you came here to remember. And we're going to remind you through our work. Are you up for that? And I'm like, yeah.

[01:09:39] So it's become this thing for me, anytime I think I'm learning something, I realize there's a difference of appeasing the mind because the mind just wants more data and wants more activity. And there's that moment that we've had through near death, psychedelics, meditation, whatever it is, where the whole body lights up because it knows this is natural.

[01:10:05] This is not just more information. This is your natural way of being, of thinking, of seeing, of breathing, of living. And this is what you must return to because you've been led astray in such a way that you don't even know the difference between what's normal and what's natural.

[01:10:22] And I think most of our world, one of the major wounds is we've caused our habitual patterns natural when they're just normal. And so I have two young boys, and I'm watching my friends with young boys go, oh, they're reaching that teenage stage, and it's just natural. They just get rebellious. My kids aren't rebellious at all. When I say I need--

[01:10:44] Luke: I've noticed that being around you three. Even today when we were in the pond, your son was throwing mud or something. I was scared. I was like, damn. You're firm, not mean or anything. And man, he didn't hesitate. He stopped throwing the mud. You know what I'm saying? You said something like, I already told you twice.

[01:11:06] Mikki: Don't do it again.

[01:11:06] Luke: We're done. And he was like, oh, got you. And just went on playing.

[01:11:11] Mikki: No residue. They never get upset.

[01:11:13] Luke: No.

[01:11:13] Mikki: They never hold--

[01:11:14] Luke: I was watching him. I was like, oh, is he going to feel embarrassed because there was a bunch of people watching? Is he going to feel shame or uncool in front of his little buddies? And he was just like, la la he just wandered off and just kept playing.

[01:11:25] Mikki: And that's my youngest. He's nine years old and both of my boys are that way. It's wonderful.

[01:11:29] Luke: It's cool to see.

[01:11:30] Mikki: We've established a relationship where they know that I'm not the authority figure. I want the best for them. And anytime I give them information, it's simply because I know what their highest value is, and I'm going to help guide them on the path of least resistance with the understanding that if they need to stray from the path I'm directing them on to go learn something the hard way, that's their life path.

[01:11:54] Luke: Yeah. That's how God does with us with free will. It's like, I got you, but go ahead. Wander off if you need to.

[01:12:01] Mikki: And I'll tell you, almost everything I learned in my life was the hard way. Born with a wonderful mother. And I will say, if anyone's watched Plandemic 3, you understand what happened to my mother. My brother was killed by AZT. He had aids. My older brother, he is 14 years older, killed by a medicine that was prescribed by Anthony Fauci, and it killed countless people during the AIDS epidemic. And then my mom was a cancer survivor, and she succumbed to her cancer. She would've lived with it forever.

[01:12:30] She'd already lived with it for 15 years at that point. But the guilt and the burden of knowing that she was one of the ones who didn't listen to the warnings and kept my brother on this medicine-- she was told it's going to kill him. But she was torn between, do I listen to science and America's top doctor, or do I listen to my brother's community of friends that are telling me this guy's wicked? Same thing we're going through today.

[01:12:55] Luke: 100%. Oh my God.

[01:12:57] Mikki: Which is why I was so quick to release Plandlemic 1. People are like, how did you release this May 4th, 2020? How did you know it was coming? I'm like, because I know Anthony Fauci killed my brother.

[01:13:07] Luke: Yeah. You had that historical reference there, and there's so many good things. There are two things I wanted to mention. One was I always tripped on that I am that I am. Just what? And I've not studied Christianity really at all, but I'm aware of the phrase, and just thought, oh, there's something to that. There's a power in that statement, but what is it? And when you put the comma in there, I was like, oh, duh.

[01:13:31] It brought me back to long before I was awake at all. I was still in the throes of addiction, living in a bachelor apartment in Hollywood behind the Chinese theater, doing all kinds of really bad drugs. And a cousin of mine had been going to India and had a guru there. And he came back with this book, and he said, man, this book will change your life.

[01:13:51] It's this big thick book called I Am That by Nisargadatta Maharaj. And I talk about it all the time on the show because it took me about, I don't know, 20 years to be able to actually make any sense of it. But there was something in that title, and even just reading the back of the book that we're enough, like a mustard seed that, oh, I'm not just me over here as an isolated subjective, observer of the world.

[01:14:17] I actually am the world. I am that. So I just wanted to share that with you. If anyone needs one teaching, if you could really explore that, I am that, meaning anything you see, touch, feel, taste, hear, you are that, that's a game changer. And the other one was on the Jesus tip.

[01:14:38] I was never raised with any religion or Christianity, and I would say, if anything, had an aversion to it, just because I was a rebel and all that. And over the years read, maybe not the Bible, but a book that really helped me was a Sermon on the Mount by Emmett Fox, which is a 1930s new thought movement, a breakdown, getting all of the dogma and metaphor out of the teachings of Jesus, saying, well, this is what he really taught. And it really made sense to me. It helped me with my sobriety.

[01:15:07] But beyond that, never really interested me. But one time, in a particularly heavy duty 5-MeO journey, I did a number of doses in one day, which I wouldn't recommend, but it's just the way it went down. You don't even need more than one in one lifetime, probably. But anyway, it's the way it went down. And someone I loved deeply was with me there. He might want to remain anonymous, but really close person.

[01:15:37] His back was to me, and it was his turn, but I had taken some too, because I kept doing that, a fucking idiot. Each time I take a hit, I was like, oh, I didn't mean to do this. And there I was in the thing again, and I kept doing it. I think I did it four times. Anyway, he's on the floor doing his thing, and I don't think I've ever told this story on the podcast.

[01:15:58] I'll try to make it brief. It's like a story even telling because words can't even describe how profound it was. So it's even dumb to try to describe, but I'll just say that it was by far, not even close to anything I've ever experienced the most supernatural few minutes of my life. It was absolutely out of this world. It was insane what was happening. There was the telekinesis going on, just crazy shit that was confirmed later when the medicine had subsided.

[01:16:33] But anyway, at one point, I'm praying for this person, and what we'd call maybe Kundalini energy is going up my spine, and I just was guided to put my hands out, and I'm in a full Bufo hit. And I got my hands out, and they're shaking. I felt like lightning could have come out of my hands. And I was healing this person.

[01:16:55] I knew. Like you said, it wasn't a thought. It was a knowing. Not I am healing them, but love is moving through my body as an instrument, and it is healing that person. Period. That might sound crazy to someone listening. It's just what was happening. And in the middle that, I started to reemerge, and my persona started to come back because in that 5-MeO place you initially go, you dissolve. There's no you there to even experience it.

[01:17:24] So as the witness observer started to come back in, I made a decision to put my hands up and do the thing I was doing. I asked the question, what is this? What the fuck is going on? And not a voice, but a knowing went, this is Christ consciousness. This is Christ. I was like, Christ, what? I'm not even a Christian. And from that moment on, I didn't become a Christian in the traditional sense, but I was like, oh.

[01:17:53] Mikki: There's something here.

[01:17:54] Luke: There's something to this.

[01:17:55] Mikki: Yeah. Right.

[01:17:55] Luke: There's something to this. I'm not going to make fun of it anymore, the little church in the corner, whatever. However people are getting into it, respect. And anyway, there's much more to [Inaudible]. But yeah, it wasn't an entity coming to me or a guy with a beard or anything like that.

[01:18:12] Mikki: No.

[01:18:13] Luke: It was just something told me, you want to know what this is? Watch this.

[01:18:18] Mikki: Right, right.

[01:18:18] Luke: And that person's life changed. And I'm not saying it's because of me, but because of the magic of the whole experience. That person's life changed dramatically and positively from that moment moving on. Got married, has a baby, is a changed man, from 45 minutes on a mat.

[01:18:36] Mikki: So your body was being used as an instrument.

[01:18:39] Luke: 100%.

[01:18:40] Mikki: And you know that. You know it's real. There's no one--

[01:18:43] Luke: It's just what happened. It's just what happened.

[01:18:45] Mikki: So let's talk about that for a moment because I think that's probably one of the most important conversations that we should be having right now.

[01:18:54] I'm dealing with a lot of people that weren't prepared to suddenly be on the frontline of a global issue. So they're suddenly doctors. I'm working with all the top doctors that spoke out against the COVID protocols. They didn't do it to be famous. They made a little video, and they said, wait a minute. I've been using ivermectin for 30 years. Four billion people have used it. It's super safe and effective.

[01:19:27] It's not a horsey, wormer. Yeah, they use it for livestock also, but they use aspirin for livestock. Most medicines are dual purpose for animals and for humans. Why are they doing this? I've used hydroxychloroquine for-- it's been used for 70 years. These are on the WHO most essential medicine lists.

[01:19:45] Ivermectin won a Nobel Prize for its invention. It's one of the most safe and effective medicines on the planet. Why are you telling everyone in the world-- since Joe Rogan came out and said he used it, why are you telling everyone it's for horses only. Just from saying that, it thrust some doctors into the national spotlight, the International Spotlight. And some of those doctors are friends of mine.

[01:20:07] They've been in my movies, or I've been on panels with them, or I've travel with them. To this day, some of them are having difficulties. What they're having difficulty with is dealing with going from, as one said to me, I was a lab nerd my whole life. I'm 65 years old. I spent my life with my head in the books. I went to eight years of university, where I never partied. I just studied, I got a big job at a hospital, and then I went on to become the whatever at DNAH, or whatever it is. I've been isolated into looking in microscopes my whole life, and suddenly I'm at airports and people are asking for autographs. And they're having a tough time dealing with that.

[01:20:55] Luke: Yeah, I bet.

[01:20:56] Mikki: And some of them are actually getting a little loopy because they're-- one of them told me, was dealing with all this stuff. He goes, I was suicidal last month because I'm being attacked by my industry. I've lost family friends. I didn't expect this was going to happen. And all the attention, I don't want it. I'm introverted.

[01:21:20] But I also realized that I have information to share that could save lives. So I'm torn between, do I save lives or crawl back into my hole? And so what I've been sharing with these people that are struggling with this, I say, listen, after 30 some years being in Hollywood, I've learned a lot about fame and what happens, and it also has helped to inform me of why we have these maniacal power players in the world. The Bill Gates of the world, the Klaus Schwabs of the world, name all the politicians whose seem to be so power hungry.

[01:22:00] There's zero compassion in their body. They will kill babies to gain more control and power. What happened to these people? You can easily write them off and just say, oh, the devil got them in there. Whatever. Those are not my go-tos. I go, there's something very practical and psychological that's taking place here. And if we look into it, we might just learn something about ourselves.

[01:22:24] And what I've learned through that process is, and my metaphor that I use, as I say, I've watched people 30 plus years in Hollywood, really good people. I started my own theater. I used to teach acting, and I watched these young actors step off the bus from Iowa, wide-eyed, bright-eyed, beautiful little souls with this dream to come to the big city and suddenly land a role that does for them what their idols have done for them.

[01:22:54] Give them hope and whatever it is that's their dream. Within a year, they're addicted to drugs. They're different people. They're womanizing, lying, conniving. It looks like they sold their soul because it's like, what happened to you, man? I remember who you were a year ago. Now it's just clubbing, and you're killing yourself.

[01:23:18] And I had good friends who ended up crack addicts, and one of them now is probably dead. But last I saw of him, he was on Skid Row, and he was a beautiful black man and probably the best actor that I ever had the privilege of directing. And he lost it all to drug addiction.

[01:23:35] So I started to really look and go, what's going on? What is this? What is this double-edged sword called fame that destroys people? And how do we navigate it? And this is what saved me because I want to make movies, and I want to get information out there, but for some reason, I didn't not plan to make one which was going to become the most seen independent film in history.

[01:23:58] Luke: Is that true?

[01:23:59] Mikki: It is. Oh yeah.

[01:24:00] Luke: Holy shit.

[01:24:00] Mikki: Yeah. It's the most seen independent film history.

[01:24:01] Luke: Give me a lot of hope for humanity.

[01:24:03] Mikki: Me too. Me too. But I had no idea. And I probably wouldn't have put myself in a film as the interviewee as you're doing right now. I probably wouldn't have done that because it's suddenly thrust me into this spotlight where-- and I thought, I used to be in front of the camera. I don't want to be there anymore. I want to be behind the camera.

[01:24:23] But I suddenly realized maybe there's a reason a purpose that I'm supposed to be here because this obviously happened. And so here's all that to say this. When we understand that we are instruments, when you understand-- you just said. It wasn't me. You're 98%, 99% correct. There's a part of you that has to produce--

[01:24:44] Luke: It didn't originate in me.

[01:24:46] Mikki: Totally. I know what you mean. There's a part of your body that has the dominion over choosing whether or not I'm going to allow this to flow. And you can shut it off. So that part of your decision making to allow your body to be used as an instrument is what deserves that amount of credit, very little amount of credit, but it's still, you allowed that to take place through your instrument.

[01:25:06] The rest goes where? Where's the acknowledgement go? So you were being played in that moment. And so I tell people, I say, here's the thing that you have to be very careful of. Because I know what it's like when people start to suddenly think you're somebody. I'll do a public appearance. I did one in Vegas a while ago, and there's a two and a half hour line. And I'm like, why the fuck are these people here to see me?

[01:25:29] I'm like, I'm just some dude raising two kids, and I have a wife, and I make movies. And so I was very inquisitive. I'm like, what? Why is it so important that you would stand in line to talk to me? I'm not that exciting. What is it? And there was this sense, oh, I get it. They think it's me. And so let me do my best to receive their compliments.

[01:25:55] And you want to receive it because you don't want to be so arrogant that when somebody's coming up to say to you, I want to thank you because I didn't get the vaccine, and my family did, and they're all sick right now, and I didn't give it to my children because I saw your movie. And that's what they want to tell me. They want to say thank you

[01:26:15] And so let me receive that gratitude. But at the same time, I know where it belongs. And here's my metaphor for it. Imagine the radio in your car, taking credit for all that music that comes through it. Your little radio's the Beatles, man. It's Elvis. It's what it would name it.

[01:26:32] Luke: Right.

[01:26:32] Mikki: Imagine Dragons, whatever the band. If your little radio went, I'm brilliant because listen to the magic that comes through me, but it's just a receiver and a broadcaster-- and so what I've been doing with these doctors that are struggling is helping them to realize, it's like, dude, you're in a very honorable place that you should only be grateful for and stay humble.

[01:27:00] Above all, stay humble. Don't own that. When people are like, oh, you're like God, be very leery of any compliment like that because if that sticks to you at all, it's going to change you, and that change will not be for the better. And so you have to know that even when somebody is saying, you saved my life, you're not a savior.

[01:27:19] Don't kid yourself. You say, thank you. I receive that. Give that person a hug and love for being able to participate in something together that's positive, but send that to where it belongs. Send that back to this benevolent divine intelligence that is always there to be broadcast through us.

[01:27:40] But the mind becomes a filter that stops that. The ego decides, I am this contained vessel with no opening for anything else to come through, working off of my limited hard drive. I am it. I am the radio claiming all the credit for this music that comes through it. And that's when the self-destruction begins, because we start to buy into that, and the ego gets proud, and it goes, yeah, I am the best, and I am.

[01:28:08] And it's absolutely suicidal for us to step into that modality. We have to constantly know, I'm just grateful. Thank you to my body for saying yes, to allow this to happen in this moment. But I know where the compliments belong, and it's far beyond this little flawed human.

[01:28:27] Luke: I love that. It reminds me of something I've always been fascinated by, and that's the fallen guru syndrome. Many of them originated in India, many gurus. And maybe they are a great radio.

[01:28:43] Mikki: Yes.

[01:28:44] Luke: And they start broadcasting their music, and people start following that music, like the Pied Piper. And then somewhere along the line, they didn't get the memo that you just delivered to us, and they start believing that they're the guru.

[01:28:55] Mikki: I am the guru.

[01:28:56] Luke: Because there's droves of people telling them, no, it's coming from you, and they're worshiping you. Because we're so susceptible to seeing the external form as the source because maybe we're not aware that there even is a source. So this person is my source. I'm going to give them all my money and renounce my family and move on to the commune and become their concubine or whatever. You know what I mean?

[01:29:17] Mikki: Oh yeah.

[01:29:17] Luke: It's a really interesting kind of human study.

[01:29:20] Mikki: Have you ever seen the documentary, I think it's Kumare?

[01:29:22] Luke:  Oh my God, dude. The guy, the fake guru?

[01:29:25] Mikki: That's a classic. Anyone watching this--

[01:29:27] Luke: We'll put that in the show notes.

[01:29:28] Mikki: Go and watch it because it really shows you how susceptible people are to BS. And it's--

[01:29:35] Luke: I love that.

[01:29:35] Mikki: A fake guru who basically started a cult following. He was just an actor. But it's a very important case study into how easily that happens for the audience and what that could possibly mean because I think there was a point in the movie, if I remember correctly-- it's been years since I saw it-- where he started to actually go, am I really causing this? Am I special? Having to grok, like, I sure have an effect on people.

[01:30:04] Luke: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:30:06] Mikki: But as long as you remember, it's like no, I think this is why so many people that-- I remember for years seeing people get up to accept an Academy Award, or a Grammy, or whatever, and they would always go, thank you God.

[01:30:18] And I'd be like, I didn't know that person was religious. And I'd look him up. I'm like, he's actually not. The real iconic works of art, oftentimes if you see interviews with those artists, they'll say something similar. This thing wrote itself. I don't remember even writing this song, man. And it's like, okay, then where'd it come from?

[01:30:37] Luke: Yeah.

[01:30:38] Mikki: There's something so brilliant about this broadcast that is out there that if we just step out from behind our own facades, in which we build as an armor to keep the danger out, if we step out of there just long enough, I think we start to understand these principles that there's a part of you in there that's doing this dance with the divine, but never take ownership for that.

[01:31:08] Luke: I love it, dude. I love it. Well, I know I got to get you out of here to get onto your next adventure. Tell me what you're working on next. What's in the can? I feel like, as I said, anyone that hasn't seen Plandemic 3, we'll put in the show notes at lukestorey.com/plandemic. Definitely see that. But what do you got brewing?

[01:31:30] Mikki: We're going to the next major film. I have a few films coming out. I have one called Follow the Silenced that'll be out in a couple of months. I have a film called Bad Medicine that'll be out in a couple of months. I have a film I did with Prager University called Man Up, and it's really just what it sounds like.

[01:31:43] It's about what's going on with the men in our nation and beyond. And I have my next big movie starts in January, and that's to correct the misinformation around climate change. And so we're doing that. And that's a big one.

[01:31:58] Luke: Dude, if you do a Plandemic 3 quality movie on the climate change hoax, I'm going to be such a happy man. That one bugs me.

[01:32:06] Mikki: Beyond that.

[01:32:07] Luke: I'm bothered by-- who knows how many people being murdered in our recent hoax? But the climate one, it bothers me because it's so cunning because I love the environment. I love the planet. I love the animals, the water, the air, the elements. I'm here. I'm about it. And the fact that they're prey on that to exert more authoritarianism, it's just like, God, now that is really evil.

[01:32:39] Mikki: Yes.

[01:32:40] Luke: Because who's going to argue with that? Like, you don't care about that planet? God, we were blaming people for murdering granny. What about the mother?

[01:32:47] Mikki: Right.

[01:32:48] Luke: So it's like, there it is just rife with opportunity to manipulate people.

[01:32:53] Mikki: And control every facet of our lives. And that's really what it's set up to do. And the worst thing of all is I've been an environmentalist for, oh God, I guess I'm leaning towards 30 years at this point. The worst part of it all is taking our eye off the ball of the way that we truly are polluting the planet because it's become this invisible, elusive beast that only politicians can slay.

[01:33:15] Now we just have to vote for the person who's going to take care of it and is going to put the right policies in. That's what they want when we really should be looking at all the-- the money that we just sent to the Ukraine would've funded all the technologies to clean our air, our soil, our water.

[01:33:31] Everything that's being polluted right now is the problem. There is no existential threat called climate change. The data is there. And if you think that the COVID stuff was fudged, wait till you see what we're going to explore the climate narrative because it's never been hotter than it was in the '30s, before industrialization, all of that. There's much going on, man. None of this makes sense.

[01:33:52] Luke: Have you ever seen the documentaries-- God, it might be 20 years ago or so. It's called The Great Global Warming Swindle.

[01:34:00] Mikki: I know it. I don't know if--

[01:34:01] Luke: Yeah, it's great. It's a little dated, but it has all these climatologists, and meteorologists, and all of these PhD experts showing historical data that's just like, it's not a thing.

[01:34:13] Mikki: It's not a thing.

[01:34:13] Luke: And these aren't conspiracy theorists. These are hardcore scientists. And I saw that, and I was like, oh, I thought it was a thing.

[01:34:19] Mikki: A big thing.

[01:34:20] Luke: Yeah. When you do your film, I'm going to make a request as a future audience member, don't ignore geoengineering and wireless technology.

[01:34:29] Mikki: Oh, no. It's a big part of it. A big part of it.

[01:34:32] Luke: That's the rock in my shoe with all environmental movements, whether legitimate or not is the ones that ignore that.

[01:34:40] Mikki: No, you can't. You can't.

[01:34:41] Luke: It's a huge, huge issue and unfortunately has been relegated to the realm of crazy conspiracy theories for so long. Meanwhile, all you have to do is have two eyes in your head connected to your brain and look up in the sky and go, that's not what normal planes do.

[01:34:55] Mikki: Totally fair. At this point, they've even testified in court. They've had to--

[01:34:59] Luke: That's the thing. But the cognitive dissonance, they've admitted it.

[01:35:02] Mikki: They've admitted it.

[01:35:03] Luke: They changed the name and called it aerosol injection or whatever they call it. But yeah.

[01:35:09] Mikki: It's hugely important. The other thing that we're working on with my business partner, JP Sears, is this product that--

[01:35:15] Luke: Ah, yeah.

[01:35:16] Mikki: You have it here, so we can mention why. I'm not big into sales. I mean, if you--

[01:35:21] Luke: Well, you give your freaking films away for free.

[01:35:23] Mikki: My book is free. So I made a deal with my publisher. I was, I'm not interested in doing a book under one condition. Once you've made your money back, I want to give it away because I made a commitment to not profit on the Plandemic brand. We created this with the two best formulators, I believe, on the planet.

[01:35:40] They came from big pharma, the highest positions of big pharma. They left as soon as they realized how crooked they were. And I said, our people have been crippled. Their immune systems have been so harmed, particularly after the vaccine rollout.

[01:35:55] And this is the time for us to rise up and get on the front line of defending our lives, and our freedoms, and our future. But nobody can do that when they're not feeling well. So I asked them, I said, can you develop an immune boosting formula? They said, no, but we can develop an immune restoring formula. I said, don't worry about boosters.

[01:36:10] That's BS. That's marketing BS. But people need to restore their immune system. So I only want to talk about this because it took me a year-- even though I'm involved in it, it took me eight months to finally be willing to promote it because I said I'm not going to go out and sell anything I haven't tested, anything that I haven't seen a lot of people test and anything I'm not a 100% sure in.

[01:36:31] This is a formula that doesn't exist anywhere else. It is so powerful to restoring our natural immunity, which is chem trails on all of that, what's in our water. We're being poisoned.

[01:36:43] Luke: And EMF. A lot of people don't equate EMF to immune system, but I know--

[01:36:48] Mikki: We're being poisoned from all directions.

[01:36:49] Luke: It wrecks your immune system.

[01:36:51] Mikki: Exactly.

[01:36:52] Luke: That's one of the best defenses against that too.

[01:36:54] Mikki: So it's hugely important, and that's I think why pharma has worked so hard to harm the immune system, because if we're dependent upon their medicine to survive, then they own us.

[01:37:04] And so this is truly a move to get people to look away from big pharma and to understand that this incredible intelligence that I talked about this whole podcast, if we respect it and understand that we have a system that's built in, as long as we don't eff with it, as long as we don't destroy it, as long as we keep it balanced and healthy, we can adapt to just about anything that comes at us.

[01:37:29] And so we developed this, and I'll say just recently did I say finally, okay, now I'll go off and start promoting this because everyone around me has been taking it, and there's just too many testimonials and stories to even mention. But it's been very effective with people, children, adults, everyone.

[01:37:46] But I've had a medical condition for 20 some years, and I was waiting until Plandemic 3 was out in the world, and then I was done with my press tour to actually get a major surgery. I have a digestive issue, and I have an inflammation issue. Plandemic was over, and I was about to schedule the appointment, but I said to my wife, I was like, I don't think I need it.

[01:38:11] Something's happening, like after 20 some years, I think my body's finally starting to correct itself. And she goes, dummy, it's the Fierce Immunity. And I went, oh, come on. I cut my teeth in directing infomercials. So I become really jaded with those kind of sales pitches. And so I said, come on. And she goes, no-- I don't even remember what the ingredient is. She goes, this is about inflammation. This thing helps 500 degenerative diseases in the body.

[01:38:40] Luke: Hesperidin.

[01:38:41] Mikki: Yes, that's it.

[01:38:42] Luke: Yeah. Hesperidin. The other one is hard to pronounce, is quercetin.

[01:38:47] Mikki: Quercetin, yeah. That's a very important one. But what I learned about this and why this formula is so great is I've been buying supplements for years, and I always picked the one with the most ingredients. And the formulator of this, who's an Australian genius, he said, that's a trick, that's a marketing trick.

[01:39:04] And what they don't tell you is most of those cancel out the other ingredients, or they're not absorbed in the body and you just pee them out immediately. So it's all a big waste of money. And so I used to take a big handful of supplements every morning. I take three of those every single day. And my situation, I said, well, this could be psychosomatic.

[01:39:23] I've filmed placebo tests, so I'm hard to convince about these things. I stopped taking it and my situation came back. And I started taking it. It went away. I stopped taking it. It came back, and that's when I went--

[01:39:36] Luke: Damn.

[01:39:36] Mikki: Shit.This thing is actually solving this thing I've had for 25 years, and I don't think I have to get the surgery now.I may. I don't know. So  getfiercenow.com.

[01:39:49] Luke: Awesome.

[01:39:50] Mikki: getfiercenow.com. Check that out, and get that. And we have all kinds of specials. And I'm even going to create a--

[01:39:56] Luke: I'm going to put it in your camera right here.

[01:39:57] Mikki: I'm even going to create a pay it forward model for those who can't afford it because we want everyone to have it. Yeah. Thanks for--

[01:40:05] Luke: Cool. Thanks for bringing it to me. That's one of the coolest things about doing this podcast. I always get gifts. I'll take everything in here. Well, not hesperidin because if I can't pronounce it, I won't take it. But no, seriously.

[01:40:18] But I take these independently and probably not in the right ratios. So the entourage effect, this energy, I think is really cool. And I have noticed, as I age too, that I definitely feel when my immune system starts to fade. I haven't had a cold or flu in a long time, but I will start to get sneezy, and just weird, and inflamed, and stuff like that. And if I do anything in the immune realm, that's usually the thing, which is the most simple thing sometimes. But that's the thing that does it.

[01:40:50] Mikki: Yeah.

[01:40:51] Luke: All these exotic supplements and shit, and I'll take that and maybe something doesn't happen. It's just my body actually just needs to be resilient.

[01:40:58] Mikki: That happened to me last night. Both of my sons play baseball, and I coached both of their teams. And we were like, inning 3. There's five coaches on the team, and I went to my wife. I'm going to go home. Because I knew I had this event this weekend, and my glands were swelling up, and I wasn't feeling well.

[01:41:16] I said I needed to go home. Went home, and I took three of these things because I cannot get sick and miss this event tomorrow. And before I even went to bed by 11 o'clock, I was like, it's gone.

[01:41:26] And so there's something really cool happening there that I'm just really honored and proud that we were able to create something that I can also feel good about selling because giving my everything away for the past three and a half years, my wife approached me one day, she goes, sweetheart, I love that you're doing this, and it's very generous, but how long do you plan on doing this?

[01:41:45] I go, why? She goes, our nest egg's gone. And she goes, how long can this go? And so that's when I started going, how could do I create something that's a win-win that I feel good about selling, but it al also offers the people something very important, which is restoring our immune systems.

[01:42:01] Luke: Right on, dude. I'm happy to support. We'll put it again in the show notes at lukestorey.com/plandemic. We'll put links to Fierce Immunity in there, and I'm going to start taking it tonight.

[01:42:11] Mikki: Cool. Yeah, me too.

[01:42:12] Luke: Yeah, I don't know why.

[01:42:13] Mikki: Let's crack it open.

[01:42:13] Luke: I don't know these people, man. Everyone's going to be here probably talking about germ theory and terrain theory. So they'll be like, what? It doesn't matter if you're around a bunch of people. Well, man, it's been great to finally get this done. I know we've had it on the books for a couple of years now. And every time I see you, we have the greatest conversations. Like, ah, we should have been recording this. It's just always free flowing and fun and love the work you're doing in the world. So thanks for taking the time with me today. I appreciate it.

[01:42:41] Mikki: Thank you, brother. I love you, and I love the work you're doing too. So it's really nice to finally sit down with you. Appreciate it. Yeah.


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