[00:00:05] Luke: What was Australia like peak plandemic?

[00:00:08] Melissa: Oh gosh. Well, peak plandemic, I was pregnant. So my experience of it, I felt a lot more probably vulnerable. But I will say we were in a state, in Queensland-- so we're a bit more north-- that we were relatively unscathed. But some of our other southern states, which you probably saw where it was very totalitarian, that was bad.

[00:00:38] And every time we visit that state, it always comes up with the people that you interact with. It's like they have got some serious PTSD. So I think they were the harshest, locked down place in the world. It was like you can't leave this couple of kilometers radius. You can't go out for a walk with more than one friend. It was just next level. They all had a curfew at night. They had to be back home in bed 8:00 PM every night-- things that people just wouldn't even believe. So it was that, but we were lucky.

[00:01:16] Luke: Wow. Is Queensland the Texas of Australia?

[00:01:19] Melissa: I would say it definitely has become, and certainly where we live, the Sunshine Coast, our housing went up massively and a big price drop down there. But we've got better weather and a gorgeous state anyway. But yes, massive influx up there for sure.

[00:01:40] Luke: Yeah, that happened here too. Much to the chagrin of native Texans. Everyone was moving here from New York and California. They're like, "Get the hell out." We're like, "I'm not going to vote. Don't worry."

[00:01:55] Melissa: In Australia, we don't get a choice about voting.

[00:01:57] Luke: Really?

[00:01:58] Melissa: Yeah. If we don't vote, which Maddie and I missed the last one, but we get fined. So you have to pay $100 if you don't vote. They actually want every single person to get out there and vote.

[00:02:10] Luke: Wow. The thing about voting is you only have two choices, at least here. I'm like, "Well, I don't like either choice."

[00:02:19] Melissa: For sure.

[00:02:20] Luke: I don't believe in the premise of a ruling class to begin with, so it's like, where's the third vote where you're like, no politicians?

[00:02:27] Melissa: Yeah. Just make your own little box and tick that.

[00:02:30] Luke: Self-governing. That would be my vote, but that one's not on the ballot yet. So I'm excited to talk to you today. I say this many times in the podcast about niche topics that I can't believe I haven't covered this yet. I've been doing this for nine years. I've been on the path of discovery for all things healing for 28, 29 years. And I always think, okay, I know everything there is out there.

[00:02:55] Not that I'm an expert in it, but I'm aware of it or I've tried it, and homeopathy is one that has just slipped by for some reason. Literally, as I was telling your team before we started, all I know about homeopathy is in the drug store for a long time I've seen these little, I forget the name of it, but they're little sugar pills if you get a cold or something, right?

[00:03:19] And it's like you take the little sugar pill under your tongue, and I'm sure I've bought them a few times, and eh, I don't know. The pharmaceutical cold medicine seems to be stronger and work better. Or the other one was arnica, the little arnica sugar pills. If you bumped your knee or something, you'd take those.

[00:03:38] But I literally know nothing about it. So I'm so excited to talk to someone like you that seems to know a hell of a lot about it. And after hearing you on The Way Forward Podcast, I was just like, "What?" I got to get on board with this. This is too interesting. So I'm stoked. That said, I'm sure some people listening will have some familiarity with homeopathy and some not to varying degrees. So give us the 30,000-foot view, very basic explainer, and then we'll get into the weeds.

[00:04:14] Melissa: So it is an energetic system of medicine, and it really operates on the premise that every human has-- and not just human, but plants and animals-- we all have a unique vital force. So this is like our energetic blueprint. The moment the sperm reaches the egg and you see that flash of light, that little zinc spark, it's a divinely intelligent force that goes forward to build the baby.

[00:04:42] And from the moment that we are born, that energetic field, it never leaves us. And it really is incorporating your mental and emotional aspects, but of course your physical, what you inherit. So as homeopaths, we really acknowledge that we inherit energy from our parents. So we're not so big on genetics, but we are big on energetics that we inherit.

[00:05:04] And so it's a system of medicine that harnesses from nature, unique vibrational frequencies. So all different plants have a very unique vibration, so too with minerals and human tissues. And we cultivate those unique vibrations to recalibrate that of a ill person.

[00:05:30] So somebody who's expressing symptoms, we then go through, and we look at exactly what the distortion of energy is in that person. So let's say they've got asthma. And then we match it up with that unique vibration that we've found in an element of nature. And when we give that to the person, it stimulates their vital force to push back against the artificial stimulus.

[00:05:58] And it's the process of like cures like that that the body then overcomes those symptoms and healing and health is restored. So it's energetic at the foundation. It very much is relying on the human's body knows what it needs to heal, but it's that stimulus, it's that energetic impetus to have that healing triggered. But yeah, that's really the essence of homeopathy. And there's so many different--

[00:06:30] Luke: That makes perfect sense.

[00:06:31] Melissa: Yeah. Things you do.

[00:06:31] Luke: I think about health. You have a broad spectrum of health, which would include mental health, emotional health, spiritual health. But in terms of physical health, not that you can really parse it out, because we're one being that encompasses all of those elements. But with the body, I've always thought of it like if you have symptoms and you're sick, the problem is really just two things.

[00:07:01] One is that you need to stop doing whatever it is that is causing your body to be sick, and you need to give it whatever it requires to heal. There's something that needs to be added, something that needs to be removed. It's subtract one, add one. So this makes perfect sense to me that it's like the body doesn't need to be told how to heal your arm when you cut your arm.

[00:07:25] It's like we just have faith in that. You just know, as long as it doesn't get infected and you don't need stitches or whatever. But you break a bone, it's like, oh, as long as the bone set, give a little time. Somehow magically your body knows to put the bone back in place and not do it backwards or something, right?

[00:07:43] Melissa: Yeah, yeah.

[00:07:43] Luke: The bone fuses; the skin fuses. Everything comes back together. But for some reason, many of us have a hard time believing that things like allergies or fertility or issues that are going on internally, that the body lacks the intelligence to be able to do it there too. It's like got to be something at the gross level that's visible.

[00:08:05] And yeah, yeah, we just take that for granted. But if someone like you starts talking about an alternative way of healing that is on the energetic realm, I think many of us have a block with that. And maybe that was my block when I'm in the drugstore and I'm like, there's not even anything in this thing homeopathic. It's a sugar pill. What's that going to do?

[00:08:23] Melissa: Yes. No, absolutely. And we look at a cut and rely on the body to self-heal because we know. We see that over and over, and we just take that for granted, that the body knows exactly what to do. But then we look at, say, babies who are born with eczema and let's say they were born totally holistically and they're not vaccinated and everything the parents have done is just perfect. They're breastfed.

[00:08:47] And then they're breaking out in this hardcore eczema. And the parents are like, okay, I know you have the capacity to heal, but what is it? How do I do it? And I think that's the biggest block to a lot of people, believing that we have the capacity to self-heal asthma, eczema, endometriosis, all of these hardcore pathologies.

[00:09:08] Because they've not seen it done or they've not known that the tools actually exist, and that is found in homeopathy. It is miracle after miracle after miracle. Hence why it has been, yeah, so suppressed.

[00:09:21] Luke: And what led you to this particular area of interest in the beginning?

[00:09:27] Melissa: Like you, I was like, "What? Homeopathy?" If I had not heard of it before, I just assumed-- because I was studying at a college of natural medicine, so I was two years into a naturopathic degree, and you just think that you-- I'm like 23 at the time, and I'm like, oh, I know all of the different therapies.

[00:09:48] And so when I had this lecturer, he used to say to me, "You would love homeopathy." And because I'd never heard of it, I just thought, must be me riffraff, off to the side. I'm not interested in any of that. And my sister at that time had been so chronically sick, so she was in and out of hospital for six years since she was 16.

[00:10:11] And she would be hospitalized anytime she had sex, and she would have a serious infection that would go-- a urine retract infection, but then it would get to her blood, and she'd be on an oxygen mask. It was really hectic. IV antibiotics for a week and really full-on. And that would be like every couple of months.

[00:10:32] My dad's a doctor, and my mom's a hippie. And so I always wanted to do naturopathics because that was the merging of the two. I loved the body, but I also loved natural healing. So I was doing that. And one time when my sister was in hospital and that lecturer said, "Oh, you'd really be a great homeopath." I was like, "Right, that's it. If you cure my sister's chronic condition, I will change my degree next week."

[00:11:02] He's like, "Okay, cool. When can she meet with me?" So we just met in a coffee shop around the corner from my university, and for 90 minutes he asked her all of these bizarre questions. He wanted to know what she was like as a kid. Was she outgoing?

[00:11:17] Was she clingy? What events have happened in her life? Is there anything that she craves, anything she has a massive aversion to, literally anything? And ultimately, at the end of that, he said, "Okay, I've got a pretty good understanding of your physical issues, your mental and emotional issues." And he prescribed her this remedy.

[00:11:40] It's one that's in that kit. And he gave her a little bottle and he said, "Please take two drops every morning and every night". And I was like, "Are you serious? She's so sick, and you're going to give her two drops under the tongue in the morning and night?" I was like, "Okay, whatever."

[00:11:55] Luke: And two drops, that is something that's clear. There's no taste. You know I mean?

[00:12:01] Melissa: This one, we preserve them in Brandy.

[00:12:02] Luke: Oh, okay.

[00:12:04] Melissa: So you've got your sugar pills, which really just tastes like pure sugar. But with his remedy, to be fair, it was brown, and it did taste like brandy. So mentally, you could be like, yeah, there's something in this.

[00:12:13] Luke: Right, right. I think that's one of the blocks with homeopathy as far as I can tell, is when we take a supplement or something, it's like, you want to taste it, smell it, feel it. If there's not a lot of obvious substance to it, it's harder to give it credence.

[00:12:30] Melissa: Yes. Yeah, absolutely. And then what I witnessed with her was within 24 hours, she was having a lot of discharges coming out of her body, mentally and emotionally. And he had warned her that he believed that a lot of suppressed anger was actually the cause of this disturbance in her body. And she had this anger coming up to the surface and just purging out.

[00:12:58] And at that point, she had been bladder incontinent after all of this sort of trauma that she'd been through in those six years. Her bladder was pretty incontinent, so she'd have to go to the toilet every 20 minutes. And within a couple of days, she was going hours not needing to go to the toilet.

[00:13:13] And she was like, "Oh my gosh, I can't believe it." And so I witnessed this happen with those two drops morning and night, and long story short, complete turnaround. She was told by the medical specialist at that point that she needed to be on prophylactic antibiotics every day for the rest of her life and that she could not have sex. That, it was too dangerous. Yeah, so for a 22-year-old--

[00:13:40] Luke: That's not like you can never go jogging again. Oh, okay.

[00:13:44] Melissa: Yeah. It's don't have sex. You probably can't have a relationship. You probably won't have kids. And it all turned around. She's very happily married with kids and does not go back to hospital with these UTIs.

[00:13:57] So what I witnessed with that, I still couldn't really grapple with because even me, I thought, that's just not possible, that those drops under the tongue could have done what I've just seen happen. And so then I said to him, "All right. Okay. Before I really change my degree, now I want to come see you so you can take my case because I need to experience for myself."

[00:14:19] If I'm going to invest in this as a career, I need to know what's just happened. And then I met with him probably the week after and then, yeah, had a whole lot of things unfold for me. And when I went to see him, I would've said "I'm really physically very robust, so I don't really know what we're going to try and treat here, but let's just see what happens anyway. Let's see what remedy you would pick out for me based on my individual life circumstances, what I've been through." And yeah, he gave me a different remedy to my sister, and it was powerful what happened for me.

[00:14:53] Luke: Wow. So you didn't have any particular pathology or symptoms.

[00:14:57] Melissa: No. But I'll tell you the things that I did have. When I was 18, I took the drug Roaccutane. You would know it as Accutane over here, very supressive--

[00:15:07] Luke: Brutal.

[00:15:07] Melissa: Brutal liver toxic. And just for clear skin. It's like my skin wasn't even that bad. Why would I take it? But when you've got a dad who's a doctor and you're like, "Oh, but I could have crystal clear, beautiful skin." So toxic, toxic load. So that was one thing.

[00:15:21] I also got cold sores. So I would get a cold sore every month or other month, but consistently for maybe six or seven years. And he also asked me in that consult, what's the most traumatic thing that you've ever experienced? And I was like, "Oh, look, life hasn't been so traumatic, but my parents divorced when I was really young." And that would be the biggest source of stress for me growing up.

[00:15:46] Definitely just that tension was very hostile. And I'm the oldest girl and it's like I just really internalized a lot of stress around that. He's like, "Okay." I said, "Other than that, to be honest, I'm extremely blessed with all the people and relationships and stuff like that." So it's like, "Okay." And he gave me the remedy sulfur, and this is a very powerful remedy in homeopathy. Has a massive affinity for the liver and detoxification.

[00:16:16] But I didn't know anything about this remedy. So he gave it to me when I was at uni. I took a dose, and I just threw it in my bag and pretty much forgot about it. And within an hour I had this head splitting headache and I'm like, "Oh my gosh." And I'm not used to getting headaches at all.

[00:16:34] So I was like, "What on Earth is this? I'm not dehydrated. I've not had any alcohol. Why have I got this splitting headache?" I don't think too much on it. I go home, and I live with my mom and my siblings, and we're all having dinner, and we're at the dinner table, and mom says something really innocent. I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was innocent.

[00:16:54] And I have just verbally spewed out my mouth, something along the lines of, "Oh, you never cared about me. You didn't look after me, something to do with my dad." And she's like, "What?" Because they would've divorced 20 years prior, and it was very uncharacteristic of me to have this sort of thing happen at the dinner table.

[00:17:17] And so I leave the table, I go down to my room, and I am just sobbing, really. And I remember her coming down and the look on her face because she was just so confused. She's like, "Are you okay? What's going on? Tell me." And it's just coming out of my mouth. "Do you remember when--" And I'm bringing up these actual circumstances of, I was meant to go to his house early this day, and you made me late on purpose.

[00:17:43] And she's like, "No, I don't remember any of this that you're saying." And then so after maybe 15 minutes of me just blah, blah, blah, she just gives me a hug and she's like, "I am so sorry that I ever made you feel like that." And she's like, "Do you want to come up and finish your dinner?" I'm like, "Yeah, okay."

[00:18:02] And it was just shrugged off then. I was really like, "Oh, I really felt her apology." And yeah, I just went back up and it was like it hadn't happened. So then we're eating dinner, go to bed like normal. I wake up the next morning, and I have seven cold sores around my lips and the oncoming of what feels like a head cold.

[00:18:23] And I have never had more than one cold sore at once. So to have seven, I just thought, "What on earth?" But I have again, completely forgotten about this remedy I've thrown into my bag. I'm not thinking anything about it. And I go to uni even though I'm starting to feel a bit sick. I'm in this botany class, and I'm trying to look at the board and my eyes are starting to water, and I've got so much mucus.

[00:18:45] I'm like, "Gosh, I'm actually really sick. I'm going to go home." I walk out the door and I go down the stairwell, and I bump into this homeopath Peter that I'd seen. And he's like, "Oh, how you going?" I was like, "Oh good." I was like, "Actually, I'm really sick. I'm going home." And he's like, "Oh, good. The sulfur's probably triggering something."

[00:19:01] And I was like, "You think this has something to do with the remedy?" And he was like, "Yeah." And I said, "I've got all these cold sores on my lips that have come up, and I've never had this many before, and I've got a head cold. I had a headache." And he's like, "Yes, tick, tick, tick. That sounds great. Your body's doing the good detox process that it needs to do."

[00:19:18] And he said, "One thing, don't suppress the cold sores with any cream. Let it run its course." And I was like, "Okay." And he said, "Mentally and emotionally, how are you going?" And I said, "I'm fine." And I was like, "But you know what? I did have this thing happen last night."

[00:19:31] When I explained it to him, he said, "Doesn't that make sense, given what we spoke about yesterday?" And I was like, "Oh my gosh, that's so crazy." So that would've be, I'm around 23 years old-- I'm 34 now-- and so 11 years. I have never had a cold sore again since that, since those seven erupted out of my body.

[00:19:56] I've never had one since. And that is the power. And sulfur is known for its centrifugal action. So it's like that spinning out. So you usually have a lot of skin things come out, people who've suppressed things. If you have had a history of eczema and you've used steroid creams or psoriasis and you've used steroid creams or Roaccutane with acne, the sulfur is going to spin it out onto the surface.

[00:20:25] And it's like this, in homeopathy, we call it the return of old symptoms. Whatever we've tried to suppress, often the body says, here it comes. I'm sending it right back out. The same goes obviously your mental and emotional things that you've tried to really bury down.

[00:20:40] And over the years, I've worked with people, and when they take a homeopathic remedy and they say, I cannot believe that this grief or these emotions or this resentment has resurfaced again because I have done so much work, and I truly thought I had let it go.

[00:20:57] And yet on a deep cellular level, the body can purge it out of the field. And when you see it happen for people, it's just so remarkable. And it's that moment that it's really transcended, I think, when you've got it from that root vibration, then we're, yeah, free of it.

[00:21:20] Luke: It's so interesting because, it seems because the substance is so diluted in a homeopathic remedy that it's hard to believe that it would have the potential power to elicit that kind of reaction or those kind of changes. Even thinking about microdosing psychedelics, it's like if you take 100 milligrams of psilocybin, that's way less than you would ever take if you wanted to get sent somewhere.

[00:21:55] But still, it's way more than if you did a homeopathic version of that. You know what I mean? There's still some substance to it. It's not just signaling. It's having a direct effect where homeopathy is much more nebulous, it seems. It's just like, oh, it's just a very faint signal, and somehow the body hears that signal as loud. It's like, oh, wow, something's happening here. It's so interesting.

[00:22:21] Melissa: Do you know what's crazy? It's the more you dilute it and succus it in a pharmacy-- so obviously we have a lot of homeopathic pharmacies. And it's a very rigorous process they use, but the more that you dilute it and succus it, the more enhanced, I guess, and stronger that vibration can be, that the body can perceive.

[00:22:40] So you would think that it would get weaker. Because if you had a drug or a herb and you were just diluting it, diluting, diluting, diluting. But it's this succussion process where it's being banged around and it's like the energy is unleashed from that plant or that mineral. So you really see the power of it.

[00:23:06] And it is remarkable that you'd think a drop under the tongue could do it. One of my favorite examples, for anybody who's ever suss on homeopathy, especially for women, I say there's a homeopathic remedy called folliculinum, and it's based off homeopathic estrogen.

[00:23:22] And the power of that remedy, if you take one dose, literally just take one dose, your next cycle, I would say 7 out of 10 of those women will notice their menstrual cycle completely shifted, that cervical mucus. And it's the influence of that estrogen. And it also has the bonus of sort of detoxing the oral contraceptive pill, which a great majority of women did take it a point in their life.

[00:23:51] And so you can just see that it's like a drop under the tongue. Like, boom. One stimulation with the energy of estrogen can cause full menstrual changes. And it's like that cascade of hormones. It's that powerful.

[00:24:08] Luke: That's crazy.

[00:24:09] Melissa: So yeah, it's remarkable.

[00:24:12] Luke: Talk to me about the history. I think one of the things that really inspired me to want to have a conversation with you, as I was telling you before we started recording is how you described the way that this particular modality has been vilified and squashed by the powers that be over the years.

[00:24:32] And that makes me much more interested in it. It's like if the powers that be, or the powers that shouldn't be, I guess maybe more aptly stated, if they try to suppress something, then it means that it works and it's good for you. Therefore, it makes me intrigued. But run me through the timeline of at least as far back we know, when homeopathy began to be used widely and why so few people are aware of it at this point.

[00:25:04] Melissa: Mm. So you are looking around the late 1700s when Samuel Hahnemann-- so he's a medical physician. He's the founder of homeopathy. He's graduated medical school, and it's really heroic medicine around that time. And he's just watching what they're doing in their conventional medical things. He's saying, "I will have none of this, none of this blood on my hands." And so he resigned from that. And he started translating medical texts.

[00:25:36] He was this crazy smart guy. He knew over 11 languages, which put him at a massive advantage in terms of medicine because he's translating the text from all of these different places where some people might have been limited by the barrier of language to understand what the Germans were doing or other countries.

[00:25:56] He was able to read all of them and translate it. So he was learning a lot. He then got the opportunity to work in the largest library of esoteric texts in the world, and that was in Romania, under this Baron von Brukenthal. So you can imagine the sorts of works that he's reading in there, all of these esoteric texts.

[00:26:23] So that's like Isaac Newton's work on alchemy, a lot of it, Paracelsus. So he's reading and getting exposed to a lot of those concepts. So that would've been huge in all of the revelations he later had. He was very much helped by what he got to read and learn through that.

[00:26:46] So then in his translating of texts, he's realized this principle of like cures like, and he starts to trial it. And he uses small doses at the start, but they were still doses that had enough toxins in them that people were still getting side effects of this like cures like process.

[00:27:11] So he kept experimenting with it and diluting it and succussing those crude elements until he realized, wow, I'm onto this. Now I've got no side effects and all healing. We can do it this energetic way. So he's really founding homeopathy there in that.

[00:27:31] Where homeopathy started to get really famous was when there were a lot of these epidemics historically, whether that was Spanish flu, cholera, scarlet fever, which back then was wiping out a lot of people.

[00:27:50] And the cause of that-- a lot of people have different opinions about what really was the Spanish flu. Was it toxicity? Was it something else? But regardless of what people think the root of the issue was, the reality is that homeopathy was healing people. And so you look at the statistics from those hospitals, a lot of people in the US would not know that you guys had over 100 homeopathic hospitals built across the United States. And I'm not talking little clinics. We are talking big hospitals, sometimes 3,000 beds and massive--

[00:28:33] Luke: We know none of this history.

[00:28:35] Melissa: No. And over 1,000 homeopathic pharmacies you guys had all across. So amazing. In New York, Massachusetts. There's so many. And you guys have your Washington monuments that you honor people. You guys only have one medical physician that you have in all of those statues, and it is Samuel Hahnemann.

[00:28:59] So it was loved by presidents, a lot of the elites throughout the years. I went into a Santa Monica homeopathic pharmacy the other day, and they've been open and operating for 80 years, but they had this photo on the wall. It was so gorgeous, and it's hundreds of homeopathic physicians, and they were getting their group photo at the White House. I don't know how old-- was it 18? Maybe 1920, the photo from then, but just beautiful.

[00:29:27] And so homeopathy in that era was revered, and it was really climbing in popularity. And when you look at the statistics from those hospitals when the epidemics were coming through, you can look at the research, the documented number of people who died in the conventional hospitals versus the homeopathic hospitals, and it's very clear, where you're looking at conventional, the rates were around 30%.

[00:30:03] A guy named Dean Pearson did a massive study of 26,700 people who were treated homeopathically for the same epidemics, and their mortality rate was 1.05%. It was massively, massively different. So that's when it really got popular. And you read the old texts, and the homeopaths, people would find out where they lived, and they would have lines around the block from people who wanted to come and get homeopathically treated in those times when they could see what worked and what didn't.

[00:30:45] So it's rising. Then you've got people like J. D. Rockefeller, loved homeopathy. Most people know he's considered largely the father of modern medicine. But before he went down the petrochemical route, he loved homeopathy. His family had three private homeopaths. They always had them. They never let go of their homeopaths.

[00:31:09] He lived into his 90s, and he famously said, "Homeopathy is a progressive and aggressive step in medicine." That's J. D. Rockefeller himself saying that. But then he started to make money and then he realized, well, we need to get homeopathy out of these universities, because it was like this domino effect of all of the conventionally trained physicians when they would come into contact with a homeopath.

[00:31:42] And they talk about this in the old texts. You couldn't put down the homeopaths for not being, I think, learned is what they would say in that era. Because the homeopaths, they were largely medical physicians first. So they stood in their own power. Midwives back then were fobbed off and not respected the way they should be, but the homeopaths, it was an equal fight back then.

[00:32:09] So whenever they would talk to their medical friends and say, "Hey, I have found this new way. Come and look at what I can do with this medicine." Everybody would convert because they were healing what they were told was incurable. So that's where it really got very popular. Then ultimately over the years we've seen pharma rising up, the stronghold. They made it after the Flexner Report. They actually made it a law in the US that if medical doctors fraternize with homeopaths, if you consult on a case together, we will strip your medical license.

[00:32:55] Luke: Really?

[00:32:56] Melissa: That was an actual thing. But there was only one place that they couldn't get away it, and that was in Boston. And it was because they had so many high up politicians that loved homeopathy. That was the one state, it took longer for them to get this in. Because they were just like, "No, you're not doing that here."

[00:33:16] So people actually lost their medical license, their right to practice medicine if they were talking to homeopaths. That's how threatened that system is, because they know if they realized how the body actually works and how to actually heal things-- even doctors in this day and age, a lot of people put them down because they're only Band-Aiding and suppressing. And we can see that. But a lot of them don't know that there is a better way that you can actually do it, whether it's eczema, asthma, hay fever, allergies.

[00:33:53] They literally have been taught that there is no way, and the best option you can give is to help people suppress it. And if they really knew the essence of homeopathy and what it could achieve, well, we just flip everything upside down, because I think most doctors, they're good people at heart.

[00:34:11] Luke: Yeah, I think that's fair. I interview a number of doctors more on the alternative side, but they're all really good people. And I think even on the alternative side, many of them are just following commonly held beliefs because of the system that they were brought up in and indoctrinated into.

[00:34:37] So it's still might be a more natural way with supplements and blood testing and things like this to determine what's wrong, but you still have a lot of inputs to treat the symptoms that don't always, although they sometimes do, don't always address the underlying cause. So I'm someone who rags on the medical system and pharmaceutical industrial complex a lot because so many of them are knowingly evil.

[00:35:07] I think the vast majority are just people that are just in a system and that's all they've known. So they keep doing it. If you look at the way we do birth in this country and many western countries, it's just absolutely barbaric. And it's not that the people that are operating the system are barbaric. It's just that they're in a system that's barbaric and they don't know any different.

[00:35:30] Melissa: They say these days your average doctor who's in that delivery room, they've actually never seen a laboring woman just deliver a baby drug free, naturally, what that actually looks like. They don't understand physiological birth. And it's like, that is so sad. How can they be the people that we are trusting when they don't even know what that looks like a lot of the time?

[00:35:53] Luke: Yeah. That's how far astray we've gone from just natural living.

[00:35:58] Melissa: Some of my favorite stories of the homeopaths who did convert, where they started in medicine, there's one, and this guy's name's Constantine Hering. He was actually part of the mainstream movement to tear homeopathy apart to get rid of it.

[00:36:13] It's quackery. We won't have it. He's this young guy, and he was really chosen in his university as, I guess the teacher's pet kind of thing, as in he was this star student. So like you are going to be commissioned to go and write this article to tear homeopathy apart. So he starts reading and investigating it and he's like, "Yeah, it doesn't make logical sense. I can't imagine that this would work."

[00:36:35] But then he actually had a dissecting wound. So he was working on a cadaver, and he cut his finger. And the mainstream medical doctors then they're saying, "You need to amputate that finger." And he's like, "I'm going to be a doctor. I wanted to be elite. I can't lose that finger."

[00:36:51] And he ultimately used homeopathy, our Arsenicum album to completely restore and heal the wound and get rid of the infection. And so then once you've seen and experienced homeopathy working, you become the biggest fanatic. So then obviously he goes on to become this very famous homeopath from one side, jumping over.

[00:37:12] And then it's documented. He's in the bars standing on the table saying, "You guys are in the hand of cutthroats. These medical doctors, they're just barbaric." And that's just the way it goes. We do what we do until we understand what we're doing.

[00:37:29] Luke: Okay, so on the more nefarious side of the medical system, going back to characters like Rockefeller, some of us, myself included to a degree, are of the mindset that because at some point medicine became profit-driven, that the incentive is not help ill people heal. It's to actually drag them along and create a lifetime customer.

[00:37:57] Maybe you can alleviate symptoms, but if you can actually keep that source of revenue alive for longer, despite whatever lack of quality of life they might experience, that much of the medicine and much of the system is actually made intentionally to keep people sick and barely alive.

[00:38:16] Melissa: That's the thing too. How nefarious do you want to go? Is it just--

[00:38:19] Luke: I can go all the way there.

[00:38:20] Melissa: And it's just like, is it just a conspiracy that they want all the money from pharma? But realistically, what they're doing is it's dampening our spirit. They're destroying the human spirit with all of these drugs. And so even mentally and emotionally and our creative, potential as human beings is being really suppressed by this level of drugging and blocking the vital force at every turn.

[00:38:47] You run a fever and then you're taking anti fever meds. Or like obviously the amount of aluminum that's being pumped into the body. And it's our connection to God that is really being severed. So it's like on one level, yes, they're making a lot of money, but ultimately they're keeping us very much in submission.

[00:39:09] But when you see the power of homeopathy to undo those layers and you witness people connecting back to the spirit of who they really are, under the layers of trauma and even the physical manifestations of disease, you actually see people tap back in to real life and what we are really here for.

[00:39:30] And it's that creative potential. When you look at the definition of health, Samuel Hahnemann, man, he said it so beautifully. But essentially what he's saying is, our goal is not to just be physically symptom free. That's not health. Health needs to encompass the human being having the vessel here on earth to fulfill their purpose. What are you here for?

[00:39:55] Luke: Amen. 100%.

[00:39:55] Melissa: And a person walking around with things like even a fear of failure, someone who has that crippling fear so they stay in a safe job, that 9-5, and they never venture out, that's not necessarily healthy. That's not fulfilling your purpose. And homeopathy can address all manner of vibrational distortion. It's not just your physical things.

[00:40:16] Luke: I love that quote. That's how I think of it because I spent some time very preoccupied with the body and wanting to be healthy and warding off any potential disease and things like that. And then at some point, I think I evolved into more of that understanding that why keeping your body healthy is important, is so that the soul that lives inside your body can actually use the body and have enough vitality and life force within the body to do what the soul is here to do. Because otherwise, what? Do we all just go to the gym and look beautiful and-- yeah

[00:40:52] Melissa: I know.

[00:40:52] Luke: Anti-aging and all this stuff. It's like, well, what's the point?

[00:40:56] Melissa: Yeah. Live to 110 in our safe little body. Yeah.

[00:40:59] Luke: Why are we in a body to begin with? To me, it's more motivating to take care of my physical health if there's a greater purpose behind it, other than just to stay on the planet longer out of vanity or something like that. It's no, I want to feel good because I have shit to do here. I have big dreams and ways to be of service.

[00:41:22] And we all know when you're sick, it's like your capacity for contribution and creativity and building anything is greatly diminished. You go into survival. And to your point about the system being set up the way it is, when people are in survival, they're docile and easy to control, especially if you can make them afraid. There's no better way to control someone's than to fill them with fear.

[00:41:49] Melissa: And another thing that I notice when people do get that vibrational alignment again and they do tap back in, it's so interesting how many people, their purpose, what they feel they're here on earth to achieve, it actually is centered around helping others. It's this really beautiful, more community-orientated-- it's like these people have these beautiful dreams to contribute things.

[00:42:18] And it's like when we are in vibrational alignment, if we are going to talk about how do we actually create new parallel systems, it really does take that new vibration of wanting what's good for everybody. You know that self-centered, like, I just want all the things for myself.

[00:42:40] I want to be successful and happy and beautiful, and I want to live to 110. But what I notice under the influence of homeopathic treatment is that real connection back to each other, the people around and wanting to drag them up and just let life be beautiful again. So much of what we've just forgotten. And I think that is such a vibrational thing. No herb, no supplement can connect you back to that. It's spirit, really. Yeah.

[00:43:14] Luke: Well, it makes sense. If you're resourced and you feel fulfilled and able-minded, bodied, it's like, where do you-- it's like when people retire. If somebody is a kind, giving person and they've accomplished a lot in their life and they retire, it's a natural progression that they go into mentorship and contribution. They want to give back because it's like they've accomplished what they want to accomplish, and they have resources on many levels that are more than they need themselves.

[00:43:45] So it's like, well, what do I do with all this wisdom or money, or whatever it is? It's like, it's got to go somewhere. But I think that what you speak to is really important that it doesn't have to come later in life. It's like, what if you're 25 and you feel so resourced and so vital that you have no choice but to express that and to share it and think in terms of us rather than me? It's the scale from base instinctive survival all the way to being fully tapped in and awake and enlightened.

[00:44:18] Melissa: Yeah. And I think that would be their biggest fear. Because you look at people like Rockefeller and so much has been conservative and keeping everything for our family and safeguarding everything and hoarding and power and dominion over others. But if you had thousands, tens of thousands, hundred thousands of people tapping back in and all of that illusion then just evaporates, then you see that complete shift. Yeah.

[00:44:48] Luke: What about the monetary side of it? So if a pharmaceutical company synthesizes a drug that's unique and they can patent whether or not it's derived from plants or nature to begin with, but they can patent it now and monetize that and own that, it seems obviously that's more lucrative than homeopathy. You can't like patent a remedy, right?

[00:45:15] Melissa: No.

[00:45:16] Luke: And it seems because so much of the source material is necessary to create the remedies, that you got great margins on homeopathy. it's like not a lot of the actual thing is in there, and you can't patent it, but it seems like it would be very hard to build a multinational corporation out of homeopathic remedies versus pharmaceuticals.

[00:45:43] Melissa: Yes, absolutely. And small amounts. When you're talking about vibration, if we go back to Cuba in 2007, Cuba was using homeopathy for prophylaxis. They usually have an outbreak of leptospirosis after like hurricane season, which wipes out a lot of people in Cuba. So in 2007, there was an incident where there were millions of people left without a vaccine on one side.

[00:46:10] And so they then used homeopathy and they went door to door with homeopathy and they used homeoprophylaxis for millions of people. And it's like with homeopathy, that crude dose vibration, it transfers across mediums so amazingly. It's conducted in water. You put a homeopathic remedy, a drop of that into water, and you shake that up, you've medicated that water.

[00:46:35] And so I was watching some videos of this frantic rush for them to get that remedy out. It could cost as little as a couple of hundred dollars to homeopathically protect and give everybody a dose. Say 4 million doses, to get that out, you could look at a couple of hundred dollars.

[00:46:55] You compare that to the other side of Cuba where those millions of people got a vaccine, financially you're looking at extremely different margins. But when you actually look at the results of that experiment, again, it's very clear what is more successful in looking after a human body in that way.

[00:47:20] Luke: How are the remedies made?

[00:47:24] Melissa: So you get your crude dose of whatever it is that you're going to make up your remedy for to give to the human body, and it might be, let's say a herb. Let's say belladonna, the plant. You would take that into the pharmacy and you would make the mother tincture of it. And so you get that dose, but then you're going to dilute it and succus it.

[00:47:48] So you might take one drop of that mother tincture into another vial and you put, one drop of that, 99 drops of water. Succus it, which just means bang it around really hard. Get all of that energy released and transmuted across the whole medium. Then you're going to take one drop of that, go across to another 99 drops of water.

[00:48:10] So that is the process of dilution and succussion. And it's fascinating. Veda Austin has done a lot of work around-- she's shown some of the flash frozen, different homeopathic remedies.

[00:48:22] Luke: Oh, really?

[00:48:23] Melissa: Yeah.

[00:48:23] Luke: Oh, I was going to ask you that.

[00:48:24] Melissa: Yeah. Let's say like arnica, belladonna, they have unique vibrations.

[00:48:30] Luke: Really?

[00:48:31] Melissa: Yeah, absolutely. And they've also done some other testings recently where they're using dyes in the water to show that these high dilutions, they're not nothing. It's not just water. You put the dye in and you see the way that it swirls around in that water. The frequency of that original substance remains. It transfers across.

[00:48:55] Luke: That's so crazy.

[00:48:56] Melissa: So whilst you have diluted it that many times, so it's not toxic anymore, belladonna would actually be toxic in a crude dose. But diluted and succussed, you have all of that energy, all of that power, no toxicity, no overwhelming the liver, no side effects that could be negative.

[00:49:16] Luke: Wow. Bananas. Belladonna's a funny one. I forget. I looked it up at one point, the way that it's classified when it's used as a drug, but they used to use that to detox alcoholics.

[00:49:29] Melissa: Interesting.

[00:49:30] Luke: Yeah, back in the, I guess, '20s and '30s. Yeah. The founder or the co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous actually was in a-- they call it like a drying out place, but it's basically the early version of a detox center or rehab, maybe a wing of a hospital that was just for drunks. And they gave him this belladonna cocktail, and he tripped balls because he got high and had a spiritual experience. That ultimately in part led to the creation of that whole movement.

[00:50:06] Melissa: Wow. Alcoholics Anonymous. I have a book.

[00:50:09] Luke: Belladonna is at the root--

[00:50:11] Melissa: Of that.

[00:50:12] Luke: Speaking of, it wasn't a homeopathic dose, but a plant that would normally be poison in the way that it was prepared, the net result of that is millions upon millions of people surviving something they would've probably succumbed to in some form of addiction.

[00:50:30] Melissa: Yeah. That's amazing. I've got a book, and it's called The Faces of Homeopathy, and it's one of the most detailed history books about who were the greats and what was the journey of homeopathy over the years. And the founders of AA are listed in there. I'll have to find it, and I'll send you, but they had something to do with homeopathy themselves.

[00:50:53] Luke: Really?

[00:50:54] Melissa: Yes. Yeah.

[00:50:54] Luke: Oh, I'd love to see that.

[00:50:55] Melissa: You know what's interesting too? With the remedy belladonna, where you're talking about that trip and the full-on, when you are using belladonna, we use it with a lot of children's cases. It's a fever remedy because when you take the crude dose of belladonna, you would break out in a mad fever sweat, but the pupils dilate massively. People can get delirious. Kids can get very--

[00:51:17] Luke: Delirium. That's how they classify it. Yeah. Because I was researching it to see if it was a hallucinogen, and it's not. It's a delirium. That's how they classify it. Yeah.

[00:51:27] Melissa: Yeah. And so when you are working with-- and it can also cause inflammatory processes in the brain, so erratic behavior. It can be quite big. And when we are working with kids, some of our complex kids these days, whether it's autism or PANS, PANDAS type things, some of these neuropsychiatric things, you give them belladonna, and because it's that same like cures like principle, you're giving belladonna to a child who is already in this delirious-- they can get a bit violent because there's so much inflammation in the body that they're striking out. They're not acting like themselves. And you see those symptoms resolve. So parents are like, "Wow."

[00:52:11] Luke: Wow. Wow.

[00:52:12] Melissa: Their children might be having massive outbursts, and it just calms it completely. So yeah, it's one of our biggest remedies for those first stages of inflammation but including in the brain. But yeah, delirium is the--

[00:52:25] Luke: I think of two people right now that I'm going to share that information with. Back to the water piece, like I said, I was going to ask you about Veda Austin, if she'd done any of her photography technique with this. But it makes a lot of sense that homeopathy is carried through water.

[00:52:47] Because now we're starting to learn, those of us, like myself, that are obsessed with water, that water is this amazing conduit of data. It has its own-- not only carries information, but I think based on Vedas work, that it actually has its own intelligence. It's its own thing.

[00:53:07] We have no clue what it really is. You just think, oh, water. Yeah, it's this wet stuff. It's like, oh man, that water is a whole trip. But it would make sense that if you're making your remedies, especially probably with structured water and really water that already is very high vibrational, it makes perfect sense that that would be the carrier.

[00:53:28] Because the water's going to go, "Ooh, information. I know what to do with this." And then all of a sudden you have-- I have a little jar of this stuff I made out of your remedies. I put five or six of them in there, and I sip on it at my desk. I've been on it about two weeks now, I think. Some days I forget because I keep the jar closed and it's behind my monitor.

[00:53:48] And today I was like, "Oh man, I got to put it somewhere where I can see it." But I think of water as medicine on its own, so it makes perfect sense that infusing it with more information is going to create some really powerful water that can be more targeted than just like, oh, this is a really high vibrational water and it's going to hydrate me. It's like we're giving the cells and all of the data receivers in the body something to really work with.

[00:54:16] Melissa: Yeah. Yes. 100%.

[00:54:17] Luke: That's so interesting. Let's talk about some of the use cases. I know you've done some work around fertility. You've mentioned a couple of other issues. Let's maybe start with fertility. I think that's something that's top of mind for many people, myself included. In the past few years, many people struggle with that for a number of different reasons, and that could be really helpful to people listening.

[00:54:42] Melissa: Yeah. So I actually started my practice in fertility, and I just thought, okay, I wanted something where I had a clear end goal with every patient. And I started with using this fertility protocol, and it was wonderful. So you always still take the case of the couple in front of you because everybody is unique, and their blocks to fertility are all individual, but you do see a lot of common underlying factors.

[00:55:12] So I would take the case and common things that we would see is a history of birth control or any of those contraceptive things that people have used. So you'd want to look at that, and you can use homeopathy to detox that and get the periods back to their perfect sync and cycle.

[00:55:32] And then you also want to look at other things like-- example, a common one for women, a profile that I saw a lot of the time was this remedy carcinosin. And they can be the more really high-achieving people, high performing. They can put a lot of pressure on themselves. And oftentimes they grew up in a household where maybe they were a bit anxious. Their nervous system dysregulated, whether dad was an alcoholic or the parents were fighting.

[00:56:06] They developed these coping mechanisms, and that was, I'm just going to keep everything perfect. I'm going to be perfect. And it's very stressful on their internal biology. As they get older, they have these sets of symptoms that are quite common. Like mono, what you guys would term-- over here we call glandular fever, but the EBV. That getting flawed by something like that or dealing with chronic fatigue, gut issues, gut sensitivities. And it's like their whole immune system is on high alert.

[00:56:39] And when these women would come into my practice, by giving them that remedy, the amount of physical healing that they would go through, it's like their body had been so burdened by just everything that they were going through, and that trying to be perfect and hold it and do it all right.

[00:57:01] Their changes, yes, they would have the physical return of old symptoms. So they would email me the next week and say, "Oh my gosh. When I started taking that remedy, I felt like I was going to get mono again. My tonsils, all my glands all swelled up. And I was like not well." It's like, great.

[00:57:16] Again, the remedy is finding the source of that disturbance and turfing it out, and they'll often be quite emotional, purging a lot of that old grief and the things that they've not processed since they were children. And yeah, then their gut health gets better. Their periods change. So it's very individual, but there are a lot of women who I believe their body's actually lacking that vital energy, and that remedy is the stimulus to kickstarted again.

[00:57:45] Another remedy that I've used a lot is for people more prone to that autoimmune-ish look of things, whether it's Hashimoto's, their thyroid, rheumatoid arthritis, a lot of that. Recurrent miscarriages sometimes. And it's that the body, and it's just that distortion of energy coming down their family lines.

[00:58:12] We always look at their parents' health and their grandparents' health because that is very insightful to us as homeopaths about what distortions might have been handed down that have nothing to do with the couple in front of me. And this is something that homeopathy can offer that most modalities can't touch. And that essence, we call it miasms. Are you familiar with miasms?

[00:58:44] Luke: Only from listening to one of your interviews.

[00:58:46] Melissa: Yeah. And so the essence of that, if I explain it to you simply, is really, if your mother had tuberculosis and the lungs were severely affected, but then she got medical treatment, and it got rid of the tuberculosis per se, so it's healed. She doesn't have tuberculosis. But then she has a child. That child is much more likely to be under the influence of the tubercular miasm and be prone to things like asthma, allergies. It's this sensitivity because the distorted energy of mom's lungs was not truly healed, not from the inside out.

[00:59:26] It was drugged to suppress that disease process, but the distortion of energy remains. So that's what we see coming down family lines. So let's say if mom or dad even had things like STDs and the resonance of the energy in the reproductive organs is not right. We can actually address that with our patients to undo the issues of the ancestors. So we always look at that. And with our carcinosin patients, often there is a strong family history of cancer that runs, and it's just that energetic blueprint.

[01:00:02] Again, we're not big into genetics. It's the energetics that was passed on that we need to recalibrate for them. So that's a big part of working in fertility, is clearing the baggage that we've come through with. So that's big. We do good hormone recalibrating. So for men, we can just look at when we give their body that homeopathic testosterone, it's not like you're taking a crude dose of it and you are forcing your body into submission and possibly throwing things out of balance.

[01:00:37] When you mirror up the energy of that testosterone remedy, their body, the divine blueprint, that vital force within them either knows that it does need to kick up the butt and it will produce more. And so I will have men do a sperm analysis, get all of their levels tested, and then get things checked and then four or five months later-- and by even just simple things like that huge improvements.

[01:01:03] Luke: Really?

[01:01:03] Melissa: Yes, yes. In their  testosterone.

[01:01:05] Luke: That's crazy.

[01:01:06] Melissa: Some of my greatest ones, it would be men whose sperm counts have quadrupled in four months. And it's just through one or two homeopathic remedies. And that is the only thing that they have changed in months. Massive. Because you think when you stimulate the vital force of a man and all of the energy-- you know what I mean-- it just lights up your energy like a Christmas tree. Of course, the sperm, the testosterone, all of the hormones, everything gets into alignment a lot quicker.

[01:01:38] Luke: When I got your products from RMDY, I have this little suitcase right here, which actually I'll just open it up right now for people that are watching. Super cool. At first, I thought it was essential oil.

[01:01:53] Melissa: Yes. That's a big thing people think.

[01:01:55] Luke: So for those watching on the video, we've got a case here with, I don't know how many, a couple dozen.

[01:02:00] Melissa: 30.

[01:02:00] Luke: 30. Yeah. Different remedies. But then there was also two bottles in the package. One I think was a female hormone one and one was a male hormone, but they were--

[01:02:10] Melissa: Oh yes. For Him + For Her.

[01:02:11] Luke: Yeah, yeah, yeah. In little dropper bottles. And what I recall on the instructions for those, it was just like a couple of drops under the tongue. And it feels like it has a little alcohol in that one. Where these, you actually make your preparation with water and you shake it up and stuff. Is the one that I have the testosterone one? This is a selfish question.

[01:02:32] Melissa: Yes, yes. It does have that in it. And you know what--

[01:02:35] Luke: Because I've never liked the idea of taking testosterone. I haven't checked mine in a while, but it's like, eh, I don't want to signal my body to be like, we're done making that, and become dependent on something.

[01:02:45] Melissa: One of our students at the moment in our academy, she's working with a couple, using the same fertility protocol, but using that same remedy for him. And it's a gentleman who has zero healthy sperm. He's got an underlying issue, which means he has zero healthy sperm. And from just taking that remedy, a couple of weeks later, his, I guess, ejaculation completely changed. From what would just be usually just watery now really cloudy and all of these physiological changes just from that.

[01:03:20] Luke: That's crazy.

[01:03:21] Melissa: Yeah, it's a powerful remedy.

[01:03:22] Luke: I'm getting on it.

[01:03:23] Melissa: Yeah, yeah.

[01:03:24] Luke: I've done it a few times, but I haven't been that consistent.

[01:03:26] Melissa: Mm. No. And the For Her one that you're talking about, that's the folliculinum and that estrogen one that I was explaining, where that would be one of the number one fertility remedies for women when it's a hormonal disturbance. Yeah, it's different for everybody.

[01:03:44] But another thing that we have to look at in our consults is the issues from vaccines. And this is one thing that might blow your mind, but with the vaccines that we've had even, say, 20 years ago-- so I've had some women who had severely adverse reactions to the Gardasil. That's your HPV vaccine that people get during high school.

[01:04:09] While I was making up the remedy for them to trigger that detox response in their body, I thought to myself like, I did get that vaccine when I was at school. Even though as far as I know, I've not had issues from it, I was like, "I may as well just take a dose and just, whatever." And this was maybe three years ago, and I took that remedy.

[01:04:32] The next morning I woke up and I was pulling on my nightgown. And I was like, "Oh my gosh." And I said to my husband, "Oh my gosh, my arm, it feels like I've just had a--" And I was like, "No way." My arm was fully dead in that exact injection point that you would put a vaccine into. And I was so shocked. I was like, "No."

[01:04:50] And I'm really going over the day before thinking what could I have possibly done to just pull this one little muscle in my arm. And I reached out to somebody who specializes in that area, and he's saying it's not uncommon given the nature of that Gardasil vaccine actually with paralysis that it caused for a lot of people.

[01:05:09] And I called my sister, and I was like, "I've just had this." And she said, "Don't you remember how dead our arms were when we got that vaccine at school?" I was like, "I do not remember that at all." And it's so powerful, and my period changed from that point. It just dragged out, but something hormonally changed that month that I did that detox. So I was consulting through COVID, and a lot of people had changes to their menstrual cycle over the last couple of years.

[01:05:38] Luke: If they didn't die first.

[01:05:40] Melissa: Yeah. Detoxing that has been--

[01:05:42] Luke: Not to be crass.

[01:05:43] Melissa: Huge. Yeah, yeah. And detoxing for those people-- I worked with a lot of nurses from the US in that time, a lot of people from Australia, and when they took their homeopathic detox remedies for that specifically, they were passing massive clots. And then a lot of them were able to get pregnant after that.

[01:06:03] Luke: Whoa.

[01:06:03] Melissa: So the body, and again, in its own divine intelligence knows what it needs to get out, what it needs to shed. And a lot of these women being nurses, they know what's normal. They're not too frightened, but they're saying these clots were as big as my fist.

[01:06:17] I've never had anything like it in my life. And it was during those detox remedies that that passed out. It was only one month that they usually had that happening. And then after the hormones were back in sync, the body was happy again, but powerful. And when we look at the issues associated with vaccines, there's a lot of complex children who are getting helped with homeopathy massively.

[01:06:42] That's going to be another reason that homeopathy is becoming so famous again now, because it is the solution to a lot of problems that modern medicine has created, because we can undo a lot of that damage with the vibration of what caused the original assault. So another nurse--

[01:07:00] Luke: It's crazy too with what you're describing with vaccine injuries because-- and I'm no expert on vaccines because I've just never believed in them ever even before any of this COVID stuff. But the basic idea there, it sounds similar to homeopathy, where you're introducing the poison to the body essentially to build immunity toward the disease, which never made sense to me. But is it not a similar--

[01:07:30] Melissa: Yeah, it is a similar premise definitely.

[01:07:32] Luke: Premise. But one works and one kills you.

[01:07:35] Melissa: Well, one's toxic and one is just using the energy to protect your field. So where homeoprophylaxis--

[01:07:41] Luke: I wonder if that's where the vaccine industry-- maybe they stole the idea from homeopathy and just did it the wrong way.

[01:07:49] Melissa: Yeah. Homeopathy had it, I guess, really quite early because it was in Samuel Hahnemann's day. He was treating a little girl for a red, swollen, throbbing thumb. She had an injury there. And the remedy was belladonna that he was giving her to heal the thumb.

[01:08:05] And what he noticed at that time, scarlet fever was rampant, and it went through her whole house and everyone died but her. And he was like, "Why did she?" And he was like, "She was on belladonna." And then he went through it and then he started to come to this idea of, because belladonna is the remedy that you would use for scarlet fever, maybe giving it beforehand actually gives her field protection, and it passed her over completely.

[01:08:31] And so then they started using it. And yes, belladonna for scarlet fever, it's to this day-- we were watching a documentary. There's a documentary out at the moment called Introducing Homeopathy, and they were interviewing this homeopath--

[01:08:44] Luke: Is it well done? Did you--

[01:08:46] Melissa: It's pretty well done. Yeah. I really loved it. I think it's a great--

[01:08:50] Luke: We'll put it in show notes, which by the way will be lukestorey.com/R-M-D-Y, rmdy. lukestorey.com/rmdy. So anything and everything we've talked about today, including links to your site and a discount code and all that will be in the show notes.

[01:09:08] Melissa: Amazing. And they look at this Romanian doctor who over there, he's seeing-- oh, I can't remember exactly, but he might be seeing 40 patients a day. He's a busy, busy homeopathic doctor. And yeah, to this day, you still use belladonna. It shows him using that for scarlet fever. Yeah, so that preventative, looking after your field first so that you're not susceptible to any of these things. Because it is a vibrational route whatever is able to come into our body a lot of the time.

[01:09:38] There is a vibrational susceptibility. It's why some people manifest symptoms and some don't. But they can be external things that can trigger responses in us. It's not just if you have a perfect vibration, you'll be perfectly secured for all time.

[01:09:57] Luke: I've learnt that the hard way. Thinking, man, I do all of these things to support my health, and then still every couple of years I get a flu or something. I'm like, "What? Me?" I'm almost insulted. I'm like, "I thought I was above this." No, you still made a protoplasm. We're all susceptible to some degree.

[01:10:14] Melissa: And the flu, it's your body working perfectly to just trigger off a little detox here. To the homeopath, we would be very concerned if someone come to us and they said, "I've not been sick in 15 years." And I'll think, not even as much as a cold? And they say, "No." I say, "Oh, dear."

[01:10:31] Luke: Really?

[01:10:32] Melissa: Internally. I would not say to them. But I would be thinking, what is going on with your energy that you can't mount a basic immune response such as a fever or a bit of a flu to get a bit of a trigger detox? It's a funny one. It's a balancing act. Because definitely you can get yourself to a point of robustness where, yes, you are very well. Do you know Wayne Dyer?

[01:10:58] Luke: Yeah, yeah. Sure. Yeah.

[01:10:59] Melissa: I loved him when I--

[01:11:00] Luke: I interviewed his daughter a couple of years ago.

[01:11:01] Melissa: No way. I loved him. He's so gorgeous. And I saw in an interview, not that long ago, but he was telling the show host, "I've not had as much as a sniffle in 10 years or something." And it wasn't much longer after that that he found out he had leukemia.

[01:11:19] Luke: Oh, wow.

[01:11:20] Melissa: And it is that the body, the energy is absorbed in another process. And it's why I'm pretty sure in the mental hospitals, they'll say things like schizophrenic patients are often actually constitutionally very robust. They're not often susceptible to the usual gastro things that you might think people are susceptible to. But it's that the disturbance in their field is in a completely different area that they're not manifesting the symptoms.

[01:11:50] Sometimes even people taking heaps of drugs or deep in alcoholism, you would think that they should be so sick all the time, and they seem indestructible. But it's that the distortion of energy in their field is completely absorbed in another area. So when they stop doing those things, then they might get back to having colds and flus and--

[01:12:11] Luke: Yeah, I experienced that personally.

[01:12:13] Melissa: Yeah. Right.

[01:12:14] Luke: Yeah, pretty close to that. Speaking of which, what's the relationship with homeopathy and addiction and alcoholism and things like that? Is there any precedence for it helping people overcome those issues?

[01:12:27] Melissa: Yeah. Definitely. And we want to look at the roots of-- I've worked with a lot of people who have had any sort of addiction. It can even be a gym addiction. It can be a food addiction. Of course, drugs, alcohol, are the common ones we like to demonize. But people are addicted to all sorts of things-- definitely porn and all of that comes into it.

[01:12:48] And we just want to look at the roots of where does this come from. Because usually it's a vibrational loop that we are just playing out and then we get stuck in, and we can recalibrate that. But there's certainly miasms where you will see a tendency towards addiction. And if you look up the family lines usually-- so in the syphilitic miasm specifically is probably one of our biggest ones for addiction and more the hardcore addictions that are borderline self-destructive.

[01:13:23] And if I was to paint you a picture of the syphilitic miasm, we are looking at things like-- it's like the light and the dark that real duality. They can be super spiritual because the veil between worlds for these people often seems very thin. So they might be really prone to being very intuitive, very creative. They can just channel something in from another world.

[01:13:47] And so they have that divine aspect but then can be very prone to the flip side of that darkness and that craving alcohol, drugs, self-destructive. You see that in a lot of creative people, a lot of famous, like our rock stars. You see this divinity, but you can often see the underbelly of what they're experiencing and what they're feeling.

[01:14:13] And so addressing that syphilitic miasm goes a long way towards breaking those chains of addiction. But then also honing in on what personally have they experienced that has led them to want to use those things to numb out. Why that adaptation? So yeah, depending on the nature of the original trauma.

[01:14:37] So let's say when I work with gentlemen who maybe have a porn addiction or a severe drug addiction. Let's say in their earlier life they were exposed to sexual things really early and it unleashed in their mind this shame feeling, that sensation of shame, which has kept them locked in this cycle.

[01:15:05] And then their mind has gone even more wayward with it. But it's all just around the shame that has then fed this self-loathing that then has fed into their desire for drugs to block out those sensations. So the remedy specifically for that, it would be different too syphilinum, say. It might more like a remedy, like Thuja, and it's like, yeah, those sorts of things.

[01:15:32] So you want it to be targeted versus maybe the guy who, his dad always made him feel inadequate. He never felt man enough, has all of these fears of failure, so he never starts anything. So he feels all of these sorts of sensations, and that's what drives his addictions, is this whole feeling of like, I'm never good enough. I'm never going to be good enough. And just feeling trapped. And so he tries to escape with-- it's endless. So we do have a lot of homeopathic remedies.

[01:16:03] We probably have maybe 60 that we use day in, day out in clinic that you could have a consult with someone and you could find one of those 60 would fit them very well. But we really do have 6,000 remedies that exist.

[01:16:19] Luke: Holy crap.

[01:16:20] Melissa: Yeah. But really the well documented, really studied ones, they're the ones that change lives.

[01:16:26] Luke: It sounds like, from what I'm hearing, a patient success would be largely based on the skills of the practitioner, the homeopathic doctor. Because you're going into these psychospiritual root causes of the root cause, not just, oh, eczema. Yeah, you probably ate something off.

[01:16:49] It's like we're going multi-generational and into these other realms. It seems like the practitioner would have to be pretty tapped into just understanding the human condition and what we're all doing here.

[01:17:03] Melissa: You see, a lot--

[01:17:04] Luke: So do results vary a lot based on level of expertise of the practitioner? If they get it wrong or--

[01:17:11] Melissa: Yeah. Because--

[01:17:12] Luke: Don't ask the right questions in your intake, and they're not digging that deeply that you might have a lesser result.

[01:17:19] Melissa: If you give the incorrect homeopathic remedy, the wrong vibration, and it does not match the patient at all, we get none of the curative reaction. That frequency will do nothing really to you. So that's when people would take remedy and say, "Oh, homeopathy." They discard it and say, "Oh, it does nothing." Because they didn't have that distortion of energy. So it really did nothing. You want it to be--

[01:17:42] Luke: But it doesn't do harm. So let's say it's the wrong remedy for someone that's not going to have an adverse effect. Just no effect.

[01:17:49] Melissa: And especially not if you take it a couple of times. You wouldn't want to take a remedy for no reason for years on end like a multivitamin. Because you don't want to expose your field to something over and over and over again that it doesn't need. But generally, no, it does nothing.

[01:18:03] And so the expertise, I guess, of the homeopath, one beautiful thing, even though we do like to know about the history of traumas and their experiences and just what goes on truthfully inside their head, if you can build enough rapport and a safe place with your patient, they can really tell you the bizarre things. Because as human beings, we have our own individual quirks and things, and usually this is--

[01:18:36] Luke: We're weird.

[01:18:36] Melissa: Yeah, we are weird. And it's something that--

[01:18:39] Luke: And we subjectively think that we're weirder than anyone. Back to that shame, there's background noise of shame that's like, oh, no one else has had the experiences I've had or think about the perverse things that I think about. And it's like--

[01:18:52] Melissa: And that is the beauty. What I love about homeopathy is when people read cases or they read about a remedy. And when they read through that remedy, they feel so seen. They think, oh my gosh, I thought I was the only person who felt like this. And as a homeopath, I really just try to, and I talk about a lot online.

[01:19:09] It's like we're all just adapting in our own different ways. We've got unique lives and experiences, and nothing that you say to me is ever going to be too much information. Tell me anything that you are comfortable with telling me, that openness. And Peter, the original homeopath that saw my sister then myself, we now work together, teaching homeopathy.

[01:19:33] But he says to people, it's your secrets that really keep you unwell. And if we can create a safe space enough that you can tell us, and we shine a light on that darkness, that thing that you really want to hide, that's usually key to finding the best homeopathic remedy for you. It's the thing that you least want to tell me.

[01:19:56] Luke: We all have those things.

[01:19:57] Melissa: Yeah, we all have those things. Yeah. And it's like you're not as unique as you think you are. If you take enough cases as a homeopath, you realize we've all got our different picks of issues, but the patterns often repeat, and often it's based off what we experienced as children.

[01:20:18] Plus you tie in our own individual makeup, what we are here-- we're all just so different. But yeah, it is a skill, and finding that right remedy, sometimes you won't nail it until the sixth prescription. I might have done six consults with someone back and forth and I'm like, "My gosh, what am I missing?"

[01:20:40] There's something critical I'm missing here. And it might be in the sixth consult, and they say something to me and it just goes, bing, I know now. I know what you need. And I think that for me is so confirming with homeopathy about how far beyond a placebo we are. Because my dad, obviously as a doctor, sometimes he's like, "No, being in your energy and you actually listening to people for the first time," he is like, "that's what is their biggest catalyst to healing. That's what all of their testimonies are about."

[01:21:10] But I'm like, "Dad, you should see the number of times that I've gotten it wrong." And it's not until I nail it, and I know usually when I found it. I go, "Hey, here it is." But massive, rapid healing after that. So when you work with babies who don't know even the process of what's going on, they can be screaming with colic.

[01:21:31] Maybe they're six weeks old and they're drawing their legs up. They're in so much pain, and the parents are absolutely distressed out of their mind. They put that one little drop of Colocynthis under the tongue, and they watch that baby relax within 30 seconds. And they just will think, "What have I just seen? Months that child has been screaming. And these sorts of things.

[01:21:52] You know when we were talking about the syphilitic miasm and I was talking about the duality of the light in the dark. We've got a lot of kids who are experiencing things like night terrors, at night, really bad dreams, maybe even growing pains, stuff like that you see in syphilinum. And these kids who have woken up screaming every night for the last two years.

[01:22:13] And I ask the parents to give them a dose of this remedy and then it's the first time they've slept through the night and then the next night and the next night. And the parents are like, "Oh my gosh." Because the child has no idea what they're taking those drops under the tongue for.

[01:22:23] Luke: Yeah, they're placebo proof. I do stuff with our dog, Cookie, like that.

[01:22:28] Melissa: To see.

[01:22:28] Luke: To see what will happen.

[01:22:29] Melissa: I'm going to test it on the dog.

[01:22:29] Luke: Yeah, just try some supplement that's appropriate for her or something and it's like, I know there's no placebo, so I know if it works. You know what I mean?

[01:22:36] Melissa: Yeah.

[01:22:37] Luke: CBD's a good one. Because I've taken a lot of CBD products over the years, I'm like, "Eh, I don't feel anything." I give her some CBD. She's out for four hours. What I mean? I'm like, "Okay, it does something." Her nervous system went, [Inaudible]. When we fly with her, we'll give her some of that. I'm like, "Sure enough, she doesn't know what she's taking." She thinks it's a piece of meat, and I've laced it with some weed.

[01:23:02] Melissa: I love it. We've also got people experimenting with homeopathics on their organic elderberry farm, and they're using arnica when they repo-- because you imagine how traumatic the injury is being reefed up, dug out, replanted.

[01:23:18] Luke: I always apologized. As you can tell from my home, I'm really big on plants. But when I have to re-pot them and stuff, I always-- I learned this from my wife because she's more tapped in than me generally like this. But I always apologize to them and explain what I'm doing. Or when I go to trim dead leaves, I'm like, "Okay, here's what I'm going to do. Are we cool?" Ask their permission. It might sound crazy to someone, but it makes me good if nothing else.

[01:23:40] Melissa: Yeah, no, totally.

[01:23:42] Luke: It is. Imagine you're rooted up from your house and someone's like, "Oh cool, you're in Pakistan now." It's wait, what? What happened? I didn't agree to this.

[01:23:52] Melissa: Yeah. No, 100%. And using arnica on them, if you look at their root systems of the ones who had the arnica versus the ones that didn't, it is a huge difference.

[01:24:03] Luke: Really?

[01:24:03] Melissa: Yeah, definitely. So in horticulture, homeopathy is becoming quite big, obviously as a natural--

[01:24:09] Luke: I want to do that. I'm going try that because my big thing right now is I like rescuing a cacti that I find neighborhood. It's like block away. And I don't know, they just cut a bunch out of their yard and threw it in the bushes. I walked by and I'm like, "I would like to have more cactus in the yard and stuff."

[01:24:27] And then I saw one of them had a little sprout on it. I thought they were just dead. I was like, "Dude, it's trying to come back to life." I have them potted out in the yard. And cactus, for anyone that doesn't know, or cacti, I guess, they grow very slowly. It's not like reviving a normal green leaf plant. So it takes a while, but they're starting to come to life. And I'm like, what could I give them that would really fortify them? So I want to try that.

[01:24:51] Melissa: Yes. Totally try it.

[01:24:52] Luke: Is arnica specifically the one that--

[01:24:55] Melissa: For the trauma I think a lot of the times that would be a good one, depending on what the poor little cacti has been through.

[01:25:02] Luke: Yeah, yeah.

[01:25:03] Melissa: What sort of abuse--

[01:25:04] Luke: The ones I'm talking about, they were pretty beat down. They weren't going to make it if I didn't save them.

[01:25:09] Melissa: Yeah. And then you've also got it being used in a lot of vet sort of situations, so you should try it for Cookie for sure.

[01:25:18] Luke: She's got a real breathing issue. The air here in Texas has not been good to her.

[01:25:23] Melissa: Yeah, yeah, no. Definitely in animals they use it in mass farms for cows with mastitis. Very easy to resolve. And they just put the homeopathics in their trough in their water. They lap it up, their body recognizes that, and it just resolves the mastitis. Yeah, huge. A lot of race horses, they use them in their water usually before the races to keep them calm at the gates because obviously they ride better when they're not a bit hysterical. So yeah, but using it on animals, it's very easy to see the effects.

[01:25:56] Luke: When it comes to, say, someone who's listening and they're, "Oh, this sounds exciting. I want to give this a try." What's the difference between choose your own adventure and someone goes on your site and it's like, "Oh, I get ear infections. I'm going to pick that start using that remedy?"

[01:26:12] Versus booking a consult with a practitioner really dialing it in more. Is it something that people can just wing and figure out on their own and have success with? Or do you really need to work with someone who knows what they're doing to guide your journey?

[01:26:26] Melissa: Yeah. If you want to do the chronic stuff, your deeper mental and emotional purging, physical recalibration of the chronic issues-- so say if you had endometriosis, chronic migraines, something that is really frequent, definitely working with a practitioner is the most powerful way to go.

[01:26:46] A lot of people accidentally stumble on the right remedy and heal themselves and it's just remarkable. But the majority of the time, the guidance of the practitioner is invaluable. But when you're looking at things in the home, the biggest converter of families to homeopathic medicine is chamomilla, the teething remedy. Because their kids have been irritable and cranky and all of things when they're teething, and then they give them the chamomilla, and all of a sudden the child is just a new child.

[01:27:21] So those basic acute things, a fever, a cold, anything that you just want to support through, an ear infection, if it's a once off. But if someone says to me like, "I have chronic ear problems and I actually get an ear infection every year." That's deeper. So you want to work with a practitioner to resolve that.

[01:27:38] But I definitely think everybody benefits from having a kit in their home for just the random times when something happens. Obviously, we're traveling all across the US at the moment and we've got a big team here with us. We've got 12 of us. And one of us, not naming names, Steven, but when he landed, he had major flareup of tendonitis, so painful. Almost plantar fasciitis level, and he couldn't walk. He was shaking in pain. And this guy never has an issue.

[01:28:12] And so you can imagine just as we landed, he's like, "Oh my gosh, no. This would be so bad." We used homeopathics, and it was the most rapid turnaround, and he was shook by the power of it.

[01:28:24] Luke: Wow.

[01:28:25] Melissa: We went to Bali for a conference last year, and the team, things like if someone has a bit of an upset stomach from something they've eaten, it's like you want to have it there for those times of just gentle support.

[01:28:38] And definitely as families, if you've got young kids, if you raise them using homeopathy, which only supports that healing vitality from the inside out, there is no suppression. Even when you give belladonna for a fever, what you're going to find is it's not necessarily going to wipe out that fever because that fever is productive.

[01:28:58] That is the healing response. But you find the delirious fevering child who's uncomfortable or their head's throbbing, and they're in pain. You give them the belladonna and then they just fall asleep. They restore like that. So you definitely want a kit for the random things.

[01:29:14] Luke: Right. So you have your first aid kit, which this is essentially like a first aid kit. But then if it's something that's ongoing, chronic has deeper roots, you'd want to get a little in-depth.

[01:29:28] Melissa: Because no two situations are the same. You look at fertility, and yes, we could reduce it to an extent, to a protocol, which was wonderfully successful. When I started my practice, I actually did a trial, two groups of six, and I did it publicly and let people come in. And I had, out of those 12, everybody conceived within five months.

[01:29:50] Luke: What!

[01:29:51] Melissa: I know. And I think that was the good grace, I guess, of kick-starting me into this obsessively passionate career where it's been--

[01:30:02] Luke: That's like having the power of God.

[01:30:04] Melissa: It felt like, if you ask my husband, every person who would message me, "You're not going to believe this. I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant." Especially in that very beginning, we celebrated every single one. We had a meetup in Texas yesterday, and one of the people who came to our community meetup, she had a baby in her arms and she's like, "I was the last patient that you saw before you shut your doors and started your academy to teach people. And this is the baby that I had."

[01:30:31] And I was like, "Oh my gosh." And I got to hold him. I don't normally see the babies, but it's beautiful to work in that. But every fertility case, it is unique. So you can use certain remedies to really bolster fertility, but we must look at the individual.

[01:30:50] If that woman experienced sexual abuse when she was younger, I need to clear that energy in her genital, urinary organs. It needs to be addressed. If there was any history of STDs, in this one, it's like, I need to know that because I need to clear that. So very individual. So yeah, working with a practitioner, and there is a variance in the ways that homeopaths prescribe as well.

[01:31:15] So you really want to find someone where you are really seeing good results. I don't advise shopping around because sometimes it takes the homeopaths a little while to really see the essence of the case, like how I was saying sometimes it takes me till the sixth consult and then I'm like, "Hallelujah. Here we go."

[01:31:35] And it's complete healing. But if you were working with someone for years on end, it's possible that their approach-- or even six months, but you are getting that vibe of I'm not seeing the movement that I need, sometimes because as a homeopath, we're unique as well. Maybe you've just not found the right homeopath for you yet.

[01:31:55] And it's, yeah, you nail that remedy. We've got a student in our academy and she's had her son with complex needs under the care of a homeopath for 20 months. But during the course of learning, she was learning about this remedy thuja, and she thought, do you know what? I just really feel like this is going to fit. And in a specific potency that we use, we like the Fibonacci homochords in our course.

[01:32:21] We teach about them. I love them. And it's combining different strengths of that same remedy into one bottle and letting person's individual vital force decide how strong, like what frequency do I need as an individual? So I love that. And she gave that to her son, the thuja in the Fibonacci homochord. That night, he ran a massive fever immediately. Two days after that he was vomiting, like a gastro bug.

[01:32:51] He was vomiting and maybe even diarrhea as well. At the end of the week, he had a bunch of warts break out onto his skin, and she said after that, "I am looking at a completely transformed child. All of the sensory things, all the aggression, the hitting, everything." And she's obviously--

[01:33:15] Luke: I'm so annoyed with my-- why am I just learning this now? It's just crazy. That happens every now and again. I'm so blown away by something. I go, "Why didn't I--" I was onto something else. I wasn't meant to know about it then, I guess.

[01:33:32] Melissa: Perfect timing.

[01:33:33] Luke: Sometimes these things come to you when they're most appropriate and you're open to them. Because as you're speaking, of course, I'm thinking of friends that have kids and of myself and my wife and our dog, and like, oh man, I got to try this. I got to try that.

[01:33:47] One thing that comes to mind there, you were speaking about air travel, and one of the things that's difficult for many of us with air travel is the really high EMF. And EMF is something that I really educate a lot on because I'm very passionate about helping people understand it and mitigate it. Have you looked into any remedies that would help people that are highly sensitive to EMFs be more resilient?

[01:34:16] That's part one. Part two is-- I had this idea actually within the last couple of days. I was talking to some guys yesterday who do EMF mitigation as part of what they do, and they discovered that shungite is a really great harmonizer. It's a mineral, and it's a great harmonizer of radiation.

[01:34:34] And I was thinking as they were talking, I thought, man, I wonder if you could make a homeopathic remedy with the signal of shungite and take that and have essentially an internal resiliency. Is anything like that make sense in your reality?

[01:34:53] Melissa: I would imagine if you emailed like the pharmacy, if I emailed and I said, "Do you have shungite in a homeopathic remedy?" They probably do. So you can go that way and use that and that could be powerful. You'd have to test it and have your ways of knowing.

[01:35:11] Luke: Sleep with your cell phone under your pillow with it turned on.

[01:35:15] Melissa: And see how you feel. Yes. But the other ways is like when you actually take the case of someone, we have homeopathic remedies-- because there are people who are super sensitive, and they can feel it. They walk in a room, and when you use the homeopathic remedies, it's like it bolsters and protects their body from it anyway.

[01:35:39] Those sort of more ethereal sort of people who-- the boundaries between their body and the energy, all of that, is not as strong. So yeah, you can go either way, like trying to use one. And we've got remedies like radiation. So some people will take them to protect and mitigate against certain-- if they're going in for an x-ray for example, you might use the remedy x-ray and trigger a bit of a detox.

[01:36:09] There's a bit of a famous homeopath. The name's Anke Zimmerman. Uses the remedy ultrasound for a lot of her complex needs. Children who had a lot of ultrasounds in utero, incredible results.

[01:36:23] Luke: Wow. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that. I have interviewed a few doulas and things like that over the years that have spoken to the risks of ultrasounds, but that's one of those things I'm just like, "Why are we still doing this?" I wrote about it a bit in my book because I believe it's one of the sources of our earliest trauma, is the radiation and the sound that embryo, I guess they're called before they come up.

[01:36:51] Melissa: Yeah, yeah.

[01:36:51] Luke: That they're subjected to. That's a gnarly one. That's cool. How interesting. Tell me about your training. So you have this institute now. Obviously, I've interviewed a number of people like you that develop an area of expertise, and they work one-on-one with clients and see great results with whatever modality they have and that at a certain point they want to share that and train other people.

[01:37:14] And they're not scalable because they're only one person, as I'm assuming you've arrived at that place where you're not doing one-on-one consults anymore and you realize like, hey, I'm not the only one that can do this, so you decided to start training other people.

[01:37:26] Melissa: Yeah. And it was really that revelation of I was booked out six months in advance, and I just didn't want people, especially in fertility, having to wait that long. And it is. It's learnable and it's so-- we need so many more homeopaths in the world. You guys have over a million medical doctors in the US, and obviously my goal is to get as many homeopaths back and really well-trained, really seeing results.

[01:38:00] Because a lot of people, when they come across homeopathy, they do think that it is those surface level acutes. I don't think they understand necessarily the depths of transformation and I guess alchemy that homeopathy triggers in people. So really making sure that people are really well trained.

[01:38:18] And Peter, that homeopath that originally looked after my sister, myself, now we run that academy together with an amazing Jean Duckworth from the UK. And it is just phenomenal. We have in our academy the largest intake of students to be homeopaths in history. I think homeopathy after the post COVID years, people have really woken up not just to natural health, but also I think the metaphysical.

[01:38:50] I think we're seeing the end of the constant, yeah, supplements and biohacking to that nth degree where now it's like-- you know how you were saying you've now come into this real soulful place of like my higher purpose and what I want to do? It's like that vibrational element, even on Instagram for myself, you go through where it's like learning knowledge, knowledge, knowledge, knowledge so much.

[01:39:16] But then a lot of people aren't thriving with all of that knowledge and it's just becoming-- homeopathy seems to them, it's like, this is actually what I was looking for. I didn't want to take 10 supplements a day. I wanted to not have the distortion of energy to begin with. I don't want to manage. I want to get to the root of my problems. Why is my nervous system so dysregulated so I do get all these symptoms? So it's the most root causy modality in my opinion, because you're addressing also your lineage.

[01:39:58] You know what comes down your family lines? A lot of people are dealing with symptoms that they shouldn't be. It's like it's not to do with you. It's like your ancestors' energy. Let's get rid of that as much as possible.

[01:40:10] Luke: So you have an actual physical location in Australia?

[01:40:15] Melissa: So in Australia, we have our homeopathic center for healing. I'm not allowed to call it a homeopathic hospital, but that essentially is our goal, to reopen these in as many states as possible, where people come into these clinics, experience homeopathy, get treated. I like to have a physical place, even though I have loved working online, and it makes it limitless working with people in the Middle East or Lebanon or wherever. It has been amazing.

[01:40:44] But there's something to be said for having a place to go, I think, when you're unwell and really see someone, and actually buy the homeopathic remedies over the counter specifically for what you need at that time. Not buying them online and just doing your best. I love the brick and mortar thing, so that is being constructed right now.

[01:41:03] Our very first homeopathic center healing, which I think will be, oh, extremely busy. So that'll be the first setup. And then I think they will explode around the world. We've got a lot of American students who are already asking like, where can we set up? What are we going to do?

[01:41:23] Because there's just so many people looking for homeopaths right now. There's a real shortage of homeopaths and, yeah, treatment out there. So I think it's going to be huge. But we do a two-year course. That's where we teach all of the foundations. We teach those, say, 60 remedies inside out, back to front.

[01:41:43] But even though we do all of the classical stuff, which is the foundations that Samuel Hahnemann put forward, we also have a lot of lecturers brought in who specialize in certain fields. So if you have worked in-- working with autism and ADHD, all of that PANS and PANDAS with kids for 20 years, you have a lot of modern techniques because life has changed from 250 years ago.

[01:42:13] The layers that we're dealing with now are very different to what Samuel Hahnemann was experiencing. And so these modern homeopaths and these modern approaches we incorporate into the academy to teach people all of the niches. So we've got a vet in there who teaches all about homeopathics for animals and how to use it because it's specialized.

[01:42:36] Luke: That's amazing. Yeah, that's a good point though. It's like what would've been effective 200 years ago using homeopathy is probably changed now because you have multi-generational nutritional deficiencies, for example, the poisoning of the environment, the air, the food, the soil, all of the medication that everyone's been taking for however long they've been taking it. So yeah, we're at a point now where it's like probably need a little more.

[01:43:07] Melissa: And there are some homeopaths who really cling to only one remedy at a time. That's what typically back in the day would've been happening. But with these complex kids, with fertility, I have seen it firsthand the power of a layered approach, addressing my asthmatic stuff, the family stuff, at the same time doing the hormonal stuff, at the same time, doing the detox stuff. It works like a symphony in the body. The body receives it. It knows what to do. It gets its instruction. And yeah, it's just that modern approach. But yeah, really effective.

[01:43:45] Luke: To your point of people that aren't so inclined to take tons of supplements, it's like, I take all kinds of stuff just because I like to tinker and just play around, probably because I used to take a lot of drugs. I go to my medicine cabinet now and they don't maybe get me high, but I'm like, "I want to see what happens. How will I feel?"

[01:44:08] And sometimes I feel good, sometimes not so much. I make errors and then help educate people on what not to do sometimes. But my wife, for example, is not someone who like-- she hates taking pills and supplements and stuff like that. I think most people are probably like that. So it's difficult to habituate themselves into a regimen.

[01:44:26] So if you have a problem and you go to a functional medicine doctor and you do some testing, they're like, "Here's 150 pills you have to take every day." It's not going to work for most people, especially if they don't have that proclivity. And if they're really sick, that's also difficult to remember.

[01:44:43] It's like all this scheduling of what you take when and what's with food and what's not and what's at night and daytime. I know it's very overwhelming for some people. So I think one thing that's interesting, at least from what I'm understanding about homeopathy and the remedy that I made for myself, which was just everything for your ears, I'm just like, "Hey, I'll just see what happens."

[01:45:04] But it's so easy. Most people have a water bottle that they carry around anyway. Is that the way that homeopathic medicine is taken most of the time? You make a preparation in water and just sip it throughout the day?

[01:45:19] Melissa: In the acutes, yes. So because you're going to take probably a couple of doses throughout the day for an acute issue. For my fertility ones, I give people the bottle, like the For Him + For Her, where it's direct under the tongue. Because I only want them to take one stimulation because these remedies, they're not the acute ones. It's like these ones are going deep. We are going to feel some things when we take that. And so if somebody was to put carcinosin or syphilinum in their water bottle and then take, say, 20 sips from that water bottle throughout the day, that's going to be a lot.

[01:45:54] Luke: Oh.

[01:45:55] Melissa: And people can feel a lot of stuff with that.

[01:45:57] Luke: You feel like you have syphilis?

[01:45:59] Melissa: Not that, but it might be like, oh my gosh, all of the issues of my ancestors, all of the anxieties, all of the-- oh my gosh. You can see it really come hard and fast. So yeah, you watch those.

[01:46:13] Luke: That speaks to why for some people it would be more appropriate to work with a practitioner, right?

[01:46:18] Melissa: Yeah, definitely. So you can say what the hell is happening? Because you think with me, with the cold sores coming up, I would never have known that something like that could be triggered by homeopathy. So if I'd never seen him again, I wouldn't know. You know what's funny? Okay, so I took that remedy for three weeks.

[01:46:36] All of those crazy things happened. And I'm probably quite like your wife. I'm like, if it's not broke, don't fix it. Just sit back. I don't take a lot of things. Even homeopathically, I've not done an awful lot of things. But recently I saw someone have a wonderful experience with sulfur.

[01:46:55] And I thought, you know what? In that beginning period where I didn't really know much about homeopathy, years and years ago, I only ever took it for three weeks and then I just left it. And I don't think the real healing was completely done in that. And I started taking that more recently. Oh boy, if you can see on my hands, all of these red spots.

[01:47:18] So you think the nature of sulfur, it's that detox reaction right from that raw Accutane that I took. My body needs to spin things out. Acne popped up all over, but it's this red. I've got red spots--

[01:47:31] Luke: Wow.

[01:47:31] Melissa: All over me coming out to the surface. And it's because sulfur, it's like my remedy. Constitutionally, a classical prescription. If you were to open up a homeopathic material medica, so these are really thick books, and you can read all about what the sulfur person will look like, act like, what they'll crave.

[01:47:54] They often crave like sugar and caffeine, and they're often very philosophically minded. Very much thinking about things up here. It's like they paint this massive picture, and that's in essence very much-- when I read that, I was like, "That really is the nature of what I am like." And it shows you it, like when they're really out of balance or when they're like moderately out of balance.

[01:48:19] So when I started taking that remedy again, all these years later, here we have more detoxification, just a whole new layer. So it'll be interesting to see once I get through this. But it's like a lot of people may not be down for what it really takes to become well, to be totally wholesomely vibrantly well.

[01:48:41] Because yeah, the return of old symptoms can be really sucky for a period. When I'm working with, let's just say a woman who experienced sexual abuse in her early life, and she's had this suppressed bitterness and rage for the last 20 years, like she's always picking fights with her husband, and it's like, oh. She doesn't know how to control it.

[01:49:02] And then she takes this remedy and all of it just comes bubbling up, and it's so painful, all of that that she's then processing. You can see why a lot of people would say, I'd rather just leave Pandora's Box just closed. Not everyone is here for getting to the root of issues. And that includes the physical, because when we are healing a lot of the symptoms, they can be uncomfortable, depending on the nature of how much suppression people have used and just their individual makeup, like what has happened for them.

[01:49:40] But it can be really rocky. And so working with a homeopath to just know and to celebrate-- say for me, I'm quite unfazed by it because I'm like, "Oh yes, look at this response. My body is so brilliant. It's perfect." And I might have a patient who-- and the reason I was inspired to take it was another person who took sulfur and they had eight cold sores breakout.

[01:50:04] And when I was looking at their response, I was like, "Gosh, that is such powerful medicine. It's so incredible." But to them, having all these cold sores break out, most people don't celebrate those sorts of things. They don't understand the beauty. And so when I work with men and they take their remedies and then they're revisiting childhood grief, for men, that's profoundly uncomfortable for the great majority to be crying and to be feeling what they're feeling.

[01:50:33] And a lot of them will say to their wives, "I do not want to take that." And the wives are like, "Oh." A lot of people are motivated when it's fertility. But yeah, healing and homeopathy, it's getting to the root. And whilst homeopathy cracks open the door for people to feel and experience and to detox, I do really believe that it's always the person choosing to walk through that door.

[01:51:00] Yes, it's been opened, a new way, a new inside, but it's still always up to us whether we really want to pursue that level of healing and freedom. And I think that's what homeopathy for me is all about. It's breaking chains on anything in someone's life that is not allowing them to be completely free to be who they are, to make the decisions that they want to go after, the job they want. Like we said, it's fulfilling that sole purpose. Anything that's blocking them, I want to get out of the way with homeopathy.

[01:51:30] Luke: I think there's a certain portion of the population in whatever incarnation they have and to arrive in that aren't interested in going all the way this time around. It was confusing to me at some point, and then I would be judgmental at those people and call them muggles and NPCs. And then I think I had a humble moment and I was like, "Who knows how many lifetimes I was a muggle and just came here and just was a zombie and didn't work on myself and make any progress and just burn through lifetimes being an ogre? It's like, I'm sure it happened. It probably took who knows how many lifetimes for that to become painful enough for this time.

[01:52:11] I came in and I was like, "All right, enough of this shit. What are we doing here?" And I'm the person. I'll go through as many dark nights of the soul as I got to go through and however many reactions or whatever, because I know each time I do that, what's on the other side of it is more freedom.

[01:52:26] But I think some people are just wired to be complacent and learn how to be comfortable in their bondage, whatever that bondage looks like. It's nice to actually just have compassion and be like, "Hey, each person is autonomous." And if you want to go through a lifetime in what appears to me as making zero progress, good on you. It's none of my business. I just know why I'm here.

[01:52:54] Melissa: Yeah. And it's such a beauty, I think, for the people who have had harder lives when they were younger. The beauty is that that cracks people open to, oh man, that is so painful, and I'm just going to heal from this. Versus the people who maybe are just plodding through life of like, meh, it's okay. It's good enough. I don't really care.

[01:53:19] I don't know about you, but I feel like there's a massive group of people who are really now on that page of, no, we actually want to do better. We actually want to raise our children not in that scene and not heard vibe. It's a real different transformation on earth.

[01:53:38] And I think it's probably the earth is calling for it because if we don't, if we don't turn things around, if you even look at fertility, if we don't turn things around, we're in real trouble here on Earth. Our future is. And so the people who are here now are probably different, a lot of them.

[01:53:57] Luke: Yeah, everyone I associate with it.

[01:54:00] Melissa: Exactly. I know. I'm like, I'm biased because we just hang out a lot of this for sure.

[01:54:04] Luke: But then I go to an airport or the DMV or a grocery store and I'm like, "Oh, no, shit."

[01:54:09] Melissa: Wait, that's not the norm.

[01:54:10] Luke: Everyone's not on board. God bless them. It sounds like with your institute, not calling it a hospital, I guess, because you can't, but I get the sense that you are not trying to integrate homeopathy into an existing system that's broken. But rather going, "Oh cool, you guys just keep what you're doing over here. We're not fighting you. We're going to put a building over here and do our own thing." And just start a parallel trajectory of something that you feel is more effective and more resonant with who you are and where you want to go.

[01:54:47] Melissa: We were really blessed. We were invited actually to integrate into the area where we live. They said, "We would love to have you in the suites right next to these new hospitals they've just built so that we can cross refer." And that's such a unique opportunity. But when we actually sat down and looked at what that would look like, it's like, man, I don't want to just be one little suite on some elevator level of your hospital.

[01:55:14] I want to build my own huge healing center, and I want it to be separate and have a completely different vibe. And it is that our results speak for themselves. I don't need those referrals. I know that this healing center will be so huge, so successful because when people get the results right, their child who had eczema, it's like completely healed, they tell 10 people.

[01:55:40] Every time they bump into someone whose child has eczema and say, "Do you know where you should go? What you should check out?" And so just that flow on effect is so huge. But to have in that area, even that opportunity where they said like, we would love to have you here, I thought that was so interesting in the times that we are in.

[01:55:59] My sister was in the meeting when we were with them and she said, do you not see or expect any hostility towards us as homeopaths in such a medically dominated--" And the guy said, no. And he's like, don't even think about that. And he said, I actually know one of the neurosurgeons at the hospital.

[01:56:16] His child had a severe issue, and he tried everything that medicine had to offer, and he even tried a lot of natural things. And ultimately, it was homeopathy that healed. And so this is a neurosurgeon in that hospital. He said, I think you'll be welcomed. But the big thing there is that in that area, there's a high percentage of Indian doctors, and homeopathy in India is absolutely huge, very respected In India. It's like a six-year degree in a lot of Indian places.

[01:56:44] Luke: Really?

[01:56:45] Melissa: Yeah, like a bachelor of medicine. Because a lot of their hospitals in India only use homeopathy to this day. So millions of people are reliant on homeopathy only as their form of medicine. So in that area where we were invited to be there, they do understand homeopathy a lot better.

[01:57:03] But yeah, our idea is we want to build a system that is so big, that parallel system, that it just makes the counterpart redundant in all the things that it can. And we will always use that conventional medicine for when we need it. But the truth is obviously at the moment our hospitals are jam packed of people with chronic issues, which we can resolve.

[01:57:29] We can get to the roots. We've got people getting their diabetic feet cut off because they couldn't stop the addiction and their lifestyle patterns. They were in such, again, that vibrational loop. But if they come to the homeopath and they get homeopathic care and we resolve the issues that have driven them to be stuck in this self-destructive cycle, these people won't be clogging up the hospitals. We can use the hospitals for emergency care, like they should always have been used for. Homeopathy should never have been squashed out, of course.

[01:58:01] Luke: Wow. Beautiful. So for people that can't make it to Australia, if somebody, they're intrigued about making this their career-- I'm sure many people listening are already healers of some sort or someone that's in a career that is not serving them or is soul crushing and they're like, wow, I want to get into the healing arts and help people and be of service and all of that. Do you have online training available too?

[01:58:27] Melissa: Yeah, so ours is a worldwide academy. We've got people in Ireland, all across Europe, a lot of Americans, Canadians, and a lot of Australians. New Zealanders as well. But yeah, so it's fully open worldwide. That two years, they have all of their online lectures, and we've got the live touchpoint, really flexible.

[01:58:48] A big thing for me was that we need to get this course, make it actually doable for people. So we've got a lot of moms, a lot of stay-at-home moms, and we need to have that level of flexibility that people can be working jobs. Because a lot of people, when they find homeopathy, they're not yet 18-year-olds, fresh out of school who are living at home, who want to study full-time. We've got 570 students at the moment, and they are weaving it in around everyday life. So yeah, that it's really flexible like that.

[01:59:21] Luke: Cool. Yeah, because it's got to be transitional later in life.

[01:59:25] Melissa: You know what though?

[01:59:26] Luke: Unless you saved up a good nest egg and you can be, oh, I'm going to take two years off and do this new thing. But that's exceedingly rare. Most people got to pay the bills while they're moving on to something new.

[01:59:36] Melissa: Yeah. And it's the most beautiful thing to hear from these students, countless. And it's like when they find the truth of homeopathy and they start to research it for themselves, they experience the power of taking a remedy and seeing what the body does. They say like, this is what I have always been looking for.

[01:59:55] We've got 68-year-olds in our course, and they're saying, "My children are saying, I have never seen you this excited. I have never seen you like this." And they're saying, "I found my thing finally." And I think that is the way it is with homeopathy. It finds you at the right time.

[02:00:14] And as you learn, it's like, wow. But I think no one who has an experience with homeopathy walks away the same because you have a completely different understanding of the whole body and of life, I think.

[02:00:27] Luke: Back to that parallel system. So we have the system that exists, and it's very flawed, obviously. And then you're talking about creating this new system, and homeopathy was already a threat to some degree to that what is now the antiquated old system, but was a new one comparatively to homeopathy, which had been around before that.

[02:00:50] Do you see the reemergence that you're helping to bring forth at any point becoming threatening to the existing establishment where they're going to try to vilify it or squash it? You were mentioning in Australia clinicians can't even use ozone to treat people. I'm like, "What? Ozone? It's air. It's literally air. It's electrocuted air."

[02:01:14] But is there a lot of vilification and resistance to homeopathy because it's so effective? Or is it less so because you're not selling something that could be considered a drug or making medical claims, all of those things that they tend to go after with herbs and different supplements?

[02:01:32] Melissa: I can't say what it's going to be like thus far.

[02:01:37] Luke: You can't see future?

[02:01:39] Melissa: Thus far we have been extremely blessed, and it just seems to go up and up and up and just all of these divine circumstances. But I do think that there is a good potential that when they realize, I guess, the mass of people who are moving towards it and they realize, oh my gosh, our profits are tanking and these people are getting way too free.

[02:02:06] They're getting way too switched on in their minds, and we can't control them. We might see pushback. But I have done everything in my reasonable human control to safeguard against that, that people can't interfere. So we will wait and see, but I really get this feeling that it literally is just like a universal, a divine thing that like now is the time.

[02:02:33] And whatever roadblocks we might have perceived in the past, even astrologically, it's just not the time for that. This is the reemergence. This is, we've done our dip down and now we are coming back to this new earth sort of creation.

[02:02:50] Luke: I sense that too.

[02:02:51] Melissa: Yeah. I don't anticipate being blocked off. And with the amount of homeopaths stepping up to the plate, it's like, you can't stop it. They could stop it if it's just a few. You can't stop thousands growing and growing, growing. So I think it's going to be fine.

[02:03:11] Luke: Epic.

[02:03:11] Melissa: Yeah.

[02:03:12] Luke: All right. This is my famous last words, last question, and then I think of 10 more questions. Let me just say, this next question. I mentioned earlier the popularity of microdosing, which is, I think, a really positive thing for people. Yeah, I took some mushrooms this morning, actually. I'm feeling pretty good. A very small amount, of course.

[02:03:33] But psychedelic medicine has come back to the forefront, and I think it's largely a positive thing for society. It's been a very positive thing for me on my own healing journey on so many levels, physically and otherwise. Is there any future for a homeopathic psychedelic? Could one make a remedy with DMT that's not psychoactive in the growth sense, but is helping you tap into the unseen realms and have a more direct experience with this spiritual part of yourself?

[02:04:06] Melissa: Mm. I was at a conference recently and they did a presentation on this, so homeopathic ayahuasca, homeopathic psilocybin and these. And you've got marijuana, cannabis in the homeopathic. In regards to their effects and what you actually see in that, I'm not sure that you actually get that level of that spiritual experience when you take them necessarily.

[02:04:35] For some people, yes, definitely. But not the great majority, I think is what I took away from it. But what I think is that when you find that remedy that is well indicated to the individual, their constitution, one of the first signs that a homeopathic remedy is resonating, it's doing something, is that people's dreams change immediately.

[02:05:06] They start having very profound dreams, and they'll say, "Whoa, I'm like dreaming about--" Oftentimes it's dreaming about ex-boyfriends or ex-girlfriends or things that have caused heartbreak and grief. And they'll think, well, I've not thought about this person in a long time. Or old situations. Just from childhood, things that like, whoa, why am I dreaming about that?

[02:05:25] And I think that when you get that well-indicated remedy for the individual, you have your most profound spiritual experiences. And this is where-- okay, I'll tell you one case example. A woman with severe IBS, she could hardly leave the house anymore. It was that bad. 20 years, she had been struggling with it.

[02:05:47] You go back through the case and it's, okay, what was happening in the years preceding the IBS? Because she didn't have it since she was a child. It was around 18. And it's like I had a really bad breakup and it, out of the blue, just shocked me, dropped me to my knees. And from that moment on, she became very much trying to control the outside world because it had shocked her, had caught her so off guard.

[02:06:13] Then she had this full-on anxiety and trying to control the outside world to try and prevent something like that ever happening again. And the IBS that manifested as a result of that. So then she takes the homeopathic remedy, our  Arsenicum album, one of our biggest for people with IBS.

[02:06:31] And she says, "I never told you, but I have dreamt about that partner pretty much every night since that breakup. For all of these years, I've still dreamt of that person." And then taking the  Arsenicum album and it's like, I've not dreamt of them in a week. And it was breaking that spiritual thing.

[02:06:55] They had not spoken in all of this time. 20 years they've been broken up, IBS. You're going from 18 years old to 38 years old. She takes her remedy, and two weeks after that, she's noticing some changes, but then he calls out of the blue.

[02:07:14] Luke: Oh wow.

[02:07:15] Melissa: He's a friend of a friend, and he's been able to track it down. And he calls. And you look at the vibrational nature of this universe and the way-- and this sort of stuff happens all the time, that her vibration had changed.

[02:07:28] She had let go of all of that level of unhealthy attachment and everything that was going on there and then he calls, and they have a conversation. And it might just be he was going through something. I think he was going through a divorce much later on in life, and then he's having these recollections of, I've treated people poorly, and I want to make amends for it.

[02:07:45] And so then he wants to call and apologize. But that is the nature of homeopathic medicine. So when we are talking about profound spiritual experiences, you can have those sorts of things with homeopathy where life just lines up. The universe is like, "Okay, let's get these things sorted for you." Which I find so beautiful. But yeah, the depths of healing with, say, this crude doses of psilocybin, it would be different. It's different spiritual healing.

[02:08:15] Luke: Yeah, makes sense. Makes sense. I'm just thinking like if someone-- say there's a heroic dose of LSD or DMT or something and what you described of people going back in their lives in the dreams. And you're, oh, why am I dreaming about this thing? That's like what happens the microcosm of a journey, is your subconscious opens up and you're going back to things that you never thought about before, memories that had been suppressed and now are arising to be dealt with.

[02:08:47] But it can be quite difficult and sometimes alarming when the experience is so intense in such a short period of time. So that's what got me thinking, well, you had DMT over the course of five years. Probably a full dose, homeopathic, if you parsed it out, would take you 20 years to take that dose if you're talking about one part per 1,000 or something.

[02:09:12] That's what got me thinking on that train of thought. But it sounds like people are having those experiences over the course of time with other preparations that aren't derived from any psychoactive plants.

[02:09:27] Melissa: One thing that we find is sometimes when people do use drugs or even psychedelics, sometimes they actually can't integrate back into their body. You even see this in people who've never been well since general anesthetic. They seem almost a little bit zombified.

[02:09:46] Something's happened. Like their spirit has left their body for this, and then they're not the same. And they can have other accompanying physical things. When you give the homeopathic remedy-- say for someone, if they had trouble integrating after using some hardcore drugs, you can bring them right back into their body.

[02:10:01] Luke: Oh, interesting.

[02:10:03] Melissa: So you would use homeopathic ayahuasca to mirror that resonance to their body to trigger the healing if they struggled. If just too much for them to cope with.

[02:10:17] Luke: Yeah. I think many of us have met people that have done too much medicine.

[02:10:21] Melissa: Yes. And then they're completely ungrounded. And it's like--

[02:10:24] Luke: I met someone like that recently and I was like, "Whoa, good warning, Luke. Pump the brakes, man." A great person, but just like, whoa, way too many psychedelics in my opinion.

[02:10:37] Melissa: Yeah, yeah.

[02:10:38] Luke: Just hard to ground with and--

[02:10:41] Melissa: Yeah. It's like they're not really here.

[02:10:43] Luke: Difficult to have--

[02:10:44] Melissa: They've been gone for so much.

[02:10:45] Luke: Difficult to have a conversation. And I guess that's one of the risks of spending too much time out in the quantum, yet you're still in a body. It's like people sometimes get confused that we're meant to live out there all the time, but if we were, we wouldn't be alive in a body anymore,

[02:11:03] Melissa: Yes. That's the beauty. And it's like so much of the lessons-- and it's in the body. It's in this real messy life, the real human experience that we grow so much. So you dip off into the spiritual aspects to learn and go a bit deeper, but I reckon it's here that we learn the most, we see the most.

[02:11:24] Luke: Yeah, boots on the ground, baby.

[02:11:26] Melissa: Mm-hmm.

[02:11:27] Luke: I want to let people know they can go to your website, rmdycollective.org/lukestorey. There's a code there called LUKE, per usual, and it gets you 10% off. And it's R-M-D-Y Collective. rmdycollective.org/lukestorey. And we'll put that in the show notes along with everything else that we talked about.

[02:11:50] Obviously working with a practitioner would be optimal if someone to dealing with something more serious, but when we were talking about the first aid kit, the kit that I have here, could any random person just buy that and start experimenting it based on the booklet like I did? I just looked up ears, boom, and made my own little--

[02:12:09] Melissa: Yeah. That's what most people do for sure.

[02:12:11] Luke: Okay, okay. And then if it's something that's a bit more challenging, you probably wouldn't want to cowboy it and try and figure out yourself.

[02:12:18] Melissa: Yeah. And then they can go to our website, and there is a list of some practitioners there. But yeah, they can book in and see and get to the roots of what's going on.

[02:12:27] Luke: Awesome. Well, man, I'm so glad we got to have this conversation.

[02:12:31] Melissa: Thank you so much.

[02:12:32] Luke: I'm so excited. I'm like, I can't wait to dive into this.

[02:12:34] Melissa: Yeah. We totally have to have chat and see what remedies resonate.

[02:12:38] Luke: Yeah, I want to really get on board with this. As I said, Alec and I share a lot of the same interest, and we at times, I think, vet guests for each other because we have, I don't know, a certain-- we're interested in the same things and also have certain standards of really wanting to validate something before we share it with the world without any kind of discrimination or prudence.

[02:13:04] But yeah, when he told me about you and I listened to that podcast, I was like, "Goddamnit, thank God." I could have never met you. And this is something that could potentially change my life and the of so many other people and maybe even Cookie with a breathing issue. And I'm just like, "Oh, thank you, God." I'm so grateful that our paths crossed today.

[02:13:24] Melissa: Me too. Thank you so much.

[02:13:25] Luke: Yeah. So I do have one last question for you, and this will be the last one. Who have been three influences or inspirations that have made you who you are today? It could be a person, a book, a philosophy.

[02:13:38] Melissa: Oh, man. I would have to say Samuel Hahnemann.

[02:13:42] Luke: Clearly.

[02:13:43] Melissa: Clearly. When I read even the things that he wrote hundreds of years ago, it is the most beautiful writing. He's just so amazing. I love him.

[02:13:55] Luke: Pardon my interruption, is any of his writing in your guide booklet in here?

[02:14:01] Melissa: No. I'll have to send you some because it's most--

[02:14:03] Luke: Because it's written in an old timey language.

[02:14:06] Melissa: Yeah.

[02:14:07] Luke: Your booklet.

[02:14:07] Melissa: You like it?

[02:14:08] Luke: Yeah. I looked it up and I'm like, this is not a modern parlance. Yeah. It's got a little antiquated--

[02:14:16] Melissa: Old-school. Yeah.

[02:14:18] Luke: Which I thought was cool, which I thought was as cool. But I was like, "Oh, that's interesting. It doesn't look like website copy.

[02:14:24] Melissa: Yeah, yes. That old-school style.

[02:14:26] Luke: Takes a little bit of creative reading to get what it's saying. I thought that was cool.

[02:14:32] Melissa: Yes. So I'd say Samuel Hahnemann. Can I put my parents in as one? Because it's like--

[02:14:40] Luke: Yeah, that's fair.

[02:14:40] Melissa: The way I'm so grateful for the beauty that each of them instilled in me when I think like, oh, I just wouldn't be able to do what I'm doing right now if it wasn't for just the way that they are, the way that they raised us. So I'm extremely grateful for them.

[02:14:57] And probably Peter. To be honest, that first homeopath who ever for whatever reason said to me in class, "You'd be a good homeopath. You'd love it." And he just used to pester me. And then here he is, one of my best friends and working together. He's probably the modern day Samuel Hahnemann. He's a guy who has just got-- he's just spent so much time dedicated to the work, all of it.

[02:15:22] Behind closed doors, no big online presence, nothing. Just tucked away reading, learning, becoming this absolute amazing homeopath. And so to have him teaching our students is such a blessing. Working with him has rubbed off on me so much. So much of the success in clinic that I've had, I would say it's because of him, of his techniques, what he taught me. So definitely I would say Peter.

[02:15:53] Luke: Beautiful. Awesome, man. Well, thank you so much for joining me today.

[02:15:55] Melissa: Thank you.