[00:00:00] Luke: All right, gentlemen. So this is, looks like our fourth episode together over the years. And you guys were one of my early interviews, I think maybe 2017 or something like that. So we'll put all of those in the show notes at lukestorey.com/lifeforce. And for those that want to go back and backfill, it would be episodes 315, 316, and 358.

[00:00:27] But what's super cool today is that we get to share some bio photons. And I'm so stoked that I get to see you guys again and that we're not staring at a computer screen. So like, yay, my lucky day you came to Austin. So I want to start with that, just celebrating you two, the work you do and how excited I'm to talk to you.

[00:00:48] For those that are unfamiliar with Focused Life Force Energy or FLFE and y'all's whole situation, I think a great place to start would be just how you came to discover this technology in the first place. And then we can get into the scale of consciousness and calibrations and how some of the data is attributed to what you do. But what is it? How'd you find it in the first place?

[00:01:19] Clayten: I guess I'll start. I came across the technology in 2007, so we're on 17, 18 years now. Wow. I had a significant health issue at the time, and I was using kinesiology. I was using anything I could to try to heal the health issue. It was pretty serious. I tried alkaline diets and mega dosing supplements, and I was trying alternative healing technologies.

[00:02:03] I was pretty good at kinesiology by then, muscle testing, and so I was trying to measure the level of appropriateness of different interventions to help my condition. Yeah, I guess I'll tell this. I don't really say this very much in public, but--

[00:02:22] Luke: Yes. Those are my favorite stories.

[00:02:24] Clayten: Oh, God. Yeah. Okay. So about a year before I ended up moving to this place where this inventor lived, I would get up in the morning, and one of the first thoughts I would have of the day is, you should move to this area. It's important that you move to this area. Every day for about a year, like, you should move to this area.

[00:02:48] And it's like, it's really important that you move to this area. The urgency went up. It's like, you're about to get sick, very sick. The answer to your healing is in this area. Even when I would say how bad it was, like, you need to go there. Maybe your time on planet Earth is going to be expired.

[00:03:12] So what do you do after hearing that every day in the morning first thing for-- it was almost a year. And then finally I started visiting the place, I was feeling good, and I was trying to figure out what I needed to go there for my health because I was good.

[00:03:29] And so finally I ended up moving there, just trusting the universe. I was imagining where the thought came from, and it seemed to come from a higher power. So I moved there, and just within weeks of moving there-- it was a small little village, 400 people. If you're going to meet somebody, it's not going to take very long.

[00:03:48] And there was a restaurant. Four Corners, a gas station, restaurant, little office community, and the road maintenance yard where they did all the road salt and plowed the roads, the mountains in Canada.

[00:04:06] So I moved there. Within a couple weeks, I met this guy and started spending time with him. He was trying to create a free energy device, and he hadn't created a free energy device, but he found a way to Focus Life Force Energy, chi, prana, in this machine that filled his whole house.

[00:04:26] He had this output stack where the energy came down. If you walked into his house, it was like a big Tesla lab. There was probably 60 pieces of equipment that he used to-- he was a tool and dime maker, electrician, millwright. He had four-- [Inaudible] one more certificate in something or one more trade. Brilliant German inventor. And he used to take stuff from people and fix it. He'd buy this really sophisticated stuff online. It'd be like 20,000-dollar piece of equipment.

[00:05:08] Jeffrey: Oscilloscopes.

[00:05:09] Clayten: Oscilloscopes and stuff like that, and it would break. And he would buy it for cheap and fix it and resell it because he was brilliant. He had this whole lab in his house. He had a two-car garage that was a machine shop and a parts department. And so I ended up meeting this guy, and I was still feeling good at the time.

[00:05:28] Him and I used to go over and do research because he was raising the consciousness of crystals, and he'd put them around his house, and his house was really high and really electric. Then I started getting sick, really sick, couldn't walk in a straight line sick.

[00:05:50] Had a couple of people diagnose me with brain cancer, three different people. My dad had just died of cancer. My mom had cancer. And I was doing a lot of things, but he was helping me. We were using this technology to help with my condition. And yeah, I was losing sensations in the left side of the brain, so the right side.

[00:06:19] I was losing sensation. Vision was getting affected, couldn't move fast or I'd throw up, stuff like that, couldn't walk in a straight line. I ended up getting CAT scans, and we see a shadow on there, like what do you want to do? And it's like, I had these people that were helping me, and we were seeing the decrease in the percentage of the left hemisphere of the brain that was affected.

[00:06:46] By that time it's like, well-- the solutions they had was 2% out of 100 for healing. It's like, well, how do you even measure 2%? So I'm going to go with what I'm doing instead of going with their options, chemotherapy. I had just see my dad go through that. It may work for some people, and maybe it helped my dad live longer. I'm not a doctor. But I think he saved my life.

[00:07:13] Luke: So you go spend time with him and be in the presence of this machine getting treated essentially?

[00:07:19] Clayten: Yeah. So you had these input stacks where you'd take the available chi or prana from the air. It's around us everywhere. That's the energy that animates life. It is transferred the air through the alveoli in the lungs, to the micro nerves in the lungs, and it goes into the solar plexus, and it's part of what animates life for all humans.

[00:07:44] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm.

[00:07:44] Clayten: And so were doing experiments. I was a pretty good kinesiologist, and he had done lots of work up to that point. He'd been working on it for seven years full time, him and two other people. And the two other people just ran out of money after about five years, five and a half years.

[00:08:03] One of them took a little piece of the technology and moved to the coast and created a healing practice. So he has some experience with healing. Other people had used versions of that technology to do healing, so it wasn't unprecedented. But that's how I came across the technology.

[00:08:20] So I would go over to his house after I had a coaching practice, and I wasn't working. I was at his place most of the time. We were doing research. And he would treat me. We'd try find new ways to try to help me, and he helped a lot of people. A lot of people came to him. They heard about him. We started doing remote work. We figured out how to have the energy go to another person. That's a different story, but just how I came across it, that's how it happened.

[00:08:56] Luke: So cool. It's very a back to the future.

[00:08:58] Clayten: Yeah. I just don't tell that much because that's like where you heard a voice in your head every morning that said you should move to this place? No.

[00:09:04] Luke: People that listen to this show, at least the regulars, I'm sure are very familiar with intuition and inspiration. It comes to us all in unique ways, but anyone who's followed it has learned, oh wow, that was real.

[00:09:17] Clayten: When it's 150 days in a row and you're at kinesiology, you can test a level of the source of the thought. You can test your ability to translate it. You can test all these variables. It's like, okay, that thought's coming from some type of higher power.

[00:09:33] Luke: At what point, Jeffrey, did you meet Clayten and get intrigued by all of this?

[00:09:40] Jeffrey: Clayten and I met through his coaching practice. So I was a client of his consciousness coaching. I always had coaches, and I was working with the coach in Canada, and we were working on purpose and meaning in business. At some point, he said, "I've gone as far as I can with you. I want to recommend Clayten for business as a spiritual path." So that's--

[00:10:09] Luke: That's quite an integrous move for a coach. Says a lot about the coach, right, to know their limitations.

[00:10:12] Jeffrey: Yeah. because I was working--

[00:10:12] Luke: He could have just kept the coming paychecks coming.

[00:10:12] Jeffrey: Right.

[00:10:15] Luke: We're almost there. You need more sessions.

[00:10:21] Jeffrey: Exactly. Yeah. No, it was quite an eyeopener working with Clayten and experiencing the kinesiology and the measuring of consciousness levels. So Clayten had this system where you have 9 or 10 areas of your consciousness, and he would find these low spots that I thought were really well hidden.

[00:10:45] In fact, many of them were hidden from myself as well. I could, over and over the accuracy of finding those spots, then doing the energetic medicine tools to find that low piece in me and to work with it, to come up and join the rest of the party, and then see the world change, see my relationships change.

[00:11:10] I had a big one with my father where I had this low place in relationship, and it turned out to be my relationship with my father. And once I healed that, it was just like he went from being this towering, angry powerhouse to being this little, cute old man who just would go off once in a while, and we'd just enjoy it.

[00:11:34] It just was such a switch in my perception of the world. So Clayten, I was talking to him about a health challenge that a boy that I was working with in Cincinnati. I was in manufacturing and running a business, running two businesses, but I had spiritual hunger. And I found this oneness movement and was doing these hands-on--

[00:12:03] Luke: Oh, the Deeksha?

[00:12:04] Jeffrey: Deeksha.

[00:12:04] Luke: Oh, you were into that?

[00:12:05] Jeffrey: As a Deeksha blesser.

[00:12:06] Luke: Dude, I went to India to learn how to do that.

[00:12:09] Jeffrey: Yeah. Awesome.

[00:12:10] Luke: Funny. I always forget about that period for some reason.

[00:12:13] Jeffrey: Yeah. So I was Deeksha blessing giver, and this Indian family found me on some list, I don't know where they found the list, and they asked me to give Deeksha to their son who had brain cancer. And he seemed to really respond to it and just felt better.

[00:12:33] He was in and out of consciousness. So I was telling Clayten about it. He says, "I had a health challenge once." And so that was my inspiration to go up there to see what it was. And walking into that space, it was a very modest little house when we drove up. Just a lot of junk around, but it's obviously keeping stuff that he might need someday.

[00:13:00] But walking in was my first experience of a high consciousness field, a really high consciousness field. And it was somewhat at odds with the pizza box and the dishes in the sink, but it was so extraordinary. Every goosebump was up. My hair was standing up.

[00:13:23] And I went to the output stack where the magic was happening, where that very high feel was created and put my hand in it, it was just super tingly. It was very real. So we walked down the street to the restaurant, and I had an enlightenment experience. I don't know what else to call it, but everyone in that restaurant just looked so beautiful to me.

[00:13:52] I could tell what was special and beautiful about them. And I had never had an experience like that, but it was the power of that place, of that consciousness field that was there, that I'm like, "Clayten, there's something going on here. We need to work with this.

[00:14:11] So we started buying pieces of the equipment from him, and we ended up supporting him for the rest of his life with the payment every month. We said, "Okay, it appears we could raise consciousness anywhere in the world with this system." And over and over we would do it, and Clayten would measure, and then he taught me to measure as well.

[00:14:39] We'd spend a whole year in 2012 just raising consciousness around the planet. So we would find in a continent, where was the lever point? Where was the place that if you raised that spot or if that spot went up, the whole continent would go up? And we just did that over and over and over again.

[00:15:01] And it got to be every day towards the end of the year. And it was so cool because we were on Google Earth zooming around the planet, then using muscle testing to test and finding these lever points, and then getting those coordinates, putting them in the system, and into that space now that we had our own machines, and then we'd see it go up.

[00:15:29] So at the end of that period, we just celebrated, like, wow, this was cool. We got to the Equinox in December, and what a ride. What a journey it was. And no other expectations of doing anything else with it. But we got the intuition, the message to make it a business and to take that service work and put it in the hands of people to do it themselves.

[00:16:04] So in this case, they could do it with their own house. And we have a free subscription that they can put anywhere in the world. It's like we can only do so much as individuals, doing service work. But as a business, we could now expand and people could join us in this mission, raise their own level of consciousness through their property.

[00:16:29] But with that property being raised, the whole planet starting to benefit. And with them going up, the whole planet starts to benefit. So that's got started more than 11 years ago with the business. And we're all over the world, 80 countries. Once in a while, we do a map where there's a pin in each customer, and it's just so awesome to see all over the globe.

[00:16:57] Luke: That's so cool.

[00:16:58] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[00:16:59] Luke: If I would've discovered that, I think I would've done the same thing. That's so interesting to me. I try to explain FLFE or things like it that just are in the unseen realms, and it's very difficult for the analytical mind and the pragmatic type person to grasp or lend credence to, which is frustrating because you're in the house and there's Wi-Fi, and you can't see it, but your iPad still gets data. So how's that happening?

[00:17:38] There's so many things in the unseen realm that are unprovable. And so one of the things I love about what you guys are doing is you're constantly reiterating the research to show, well, we can't get a meter that-- you get a human meter with muscle testing, but there's not a meter that exists right now where you can hold it in the middle of a room and go, the level of consciousness here is 580.

[00:18:02] Yet you can measure the effects on people and on biology. So there's this interface between the quantum realm and the material physical realm. And while you can't necessarily, at least in an empirical way, scientifically speaking, measure the unseen realm, you can measure the effects on biology in this realm.

[00:18:26] And I think that's really smart that you guys are doing that and you've committed to that. So we're going to talk more about that later. But for people that are of that skeptic mind, which is healthy, I think-- as long as your mind's open, skepticism can protect you from being a dumb ass. Spending your money on things that don't work or getting ripped off. Discernment is a really beautiful tool to apply in your life.

[00:18:50] I personally have just always believed in what you guys do because I've had your service for so many years now and use it when I travel. I put it on Airbnbs, hotels. When I was in the hospital with my dad when he was dying, I put it on the hospital room, especially after I walked in and saw all the Wi-Fi routers, a Wi-Fi router right above his head.

[00:19:14] And it wouldn't have made a difference in his case because he was beyond the point of coming back, but I'm just thinking, man, think of all the people in this hospital who are sick and they have the oxidative stress machine right above their frigging bed. So I put it on there, even texted Clayten, because in emergency situations-- I don't want to bug you, but if it's really important, I'll be like, "Dude, if you got a minute, could you calibrate this?"

[00:19:37] And you let me know where my dad was at, which was really beautiful. Thank you for that. So to me, this is easy. It's an easy opt-in. This is part of my lifestyle. This is just something I do. I'm FLFE for life. But I want to help unpack it in a way that people can understand it because it's not something that you can see.

[00:19:58] You guys could just be two guys that are like, "Yeah, we have this machine somewhere. You pay us this monthly fee, and we put magic dust on your house." I know you guys personally and have known you for years, so I trust your integrity implicitly.

[00:20:11] But if someone's just meeting you and your company, I want them to not only take it from me that I vouch for you guys but also hear about your journey. So from there, let's talk about, now that we know the origin story of the technology, how is this playing out in real life with all these different clients that you have all over the world?

[00:20:34] What's happening when someone puts in their address or their cell phone or the address of their mother's nursing home or whatever we're using it for? What's the spooky action that's actually taking place there?

[00:20:47] Clayten: Yeah, so in this output stack in the original machine, it's a very high consciousness field. And so in the beginning we used to take an address with all the request to divinity. So you have the level of conscious of the field, and then you have the information in the field. And the information in the field are the requests to divinity.

[00:21:15] And so we had this output stack. We kept making it bigger and bigger because we found more ways to ask better prayers. So somebody'd ask for more prayers and more prayers. There's peace in the house and there's peace between the parents, and then the mother and the daughter, and the mother and the son, and the father and the daughter.

[00:21:36] So you just keep going into those prayers deeper and deeper and deeper. Eventually, the font gets smaller and the lines get tighter. You start to run out of space in your output stack. So we kept making the stack bigger, and eventually, we found a way to connect the output stack to a database.

[00:21:56] Luke: So like interfacing the hardware of the technology with software that holds the data rather than pieces of paper being the software.

[00:22:05] Clayten: Yes, exactly.

[00:22:07] Luke: The photos.

[00:22:08] Clayten: Photos. Yeah, exactly. You got it. That's how the bridge happened to that.

[00:22:12] Luke: Got it.

[00:22:12] Clayten: And that was an interesting story how that happened. I won't get into that. So you have this high conscious field with lots of positive energy, and then you have request to divinity. And when you enter your address on the website, that address is connected to a database, and that energy goes from that high conscious field and that output stack with all those prayers to your property or to any unique identifier.

[00:22:45] So it could be a business, could be a property, could be a nonprofit. Well, a property, could be a home, could be any type of property, farm. Or you enter a cell phone number, and it goes to that cell phone because there's one unique cell phone with that phone number in the world, or a picture of an object, like a pendant or something that-- if you want to take a coin and just put it in your pocket, just take a good enough picture and a piece of white paper.

[00:23:16] And we have staff to help with all that if you get stuck. And that associates the high consciousness field with the unique identifier. Then we have parameters like in the courthouse or the judicial records of any area, it will have the property lines, and it's surveyed.

[00:23:39] So it knows that your house here, these are the property lines. So it'll go to the edge of your property. One home subscription would go up to-- it's 155 acres now. That's kind of the bit of the technical part. But probably what's more important is the effect it has on people and the effect it has on families.

[00:24:01] Well, that's not probably more important. It's more important. It's about changing people's lives and helping people raise their consciousness, become more free. And we've got extraordinary testimonials and really good science. We got 13 white papers last time I checked.

[00:24:18] Jeffrey: 14.

[00:24:18] Clayten: 14 now. Yeah, another one's up on the site. So that's a little more Jeff's area, the research part and how to do good research and how to look for it. We did that research. We invested heavily in it. We're still investing heavily in it because it is a non-linear technology.

[00:24:37] And even though it's very similar to prayer, or even just thought, probably everybody has thought of somebody, and their phone rang and it's that person That's quantum association. Some people call it quantum entanglement. So the technology works very much like that. It goes through the ether or through the quantum field and connects with the unique identifier.

[00:25:03] Luke: Epic. I love this stuff. When I found you guys, I had been a student of Dr. David Hawkins for many years, and I think how I found you was just poking around, looking for interviews or something, and then saw this Focused Life Force Energy website with some writing about Hawkins and the levels of consciousness.

[00:25:28] And then there was something about EMF, being able to put a bubble of protection around your house. And I was like, "Wait a minute. How did someone arrive at the intersection of David Hawkins, levels of consciousness, and EMF? That's when I was like, "Okay, what's happening here?" That's when I first reached out to you guys.

[00:25:44] And I remember too that it wasn't, because-- I think I just wanted the service, but then when I learned more I thought, oh, we could do an interview or I could be a referral partner. And I remember you guys had to vet me. You're like, "Ah, who is this guy?" It took a minute. It wasn't like an instant yes.

[00:25:59] So you're probably testing to see if I was in integrity or whatever you're doing. But I always think of that fondly because I had just come out of a situation in which I just got straight up radiation poisoning from cell towers near my apartment. And so I was very, I don't know, traumatized might be overstating it, but to a degree, it definitely put a damper on my quality of life.

[00:26:22] So I was like, "Oh my God. I found someone that actually is addressing this from a place about which I'm familiar, which is the work of Hawkins and stuff." So to me, it all makes perfect sense. But then again, I'm also someone who follows my intuition and am very aware when I think of someone and then they call and things like-- I'm always tracking the synchronicities because that helps me cement my faith if there's more to this experience than meets the eye.

[00:26:54] So what can you tell me about some of the studies? Because I know that's your lane. And I find that stuff really interesting because it validates my own experience when I see that a group of people or someone else in a more clinical setting is having the results that I think I'm getting. You know what I mean?

[00:27:14] Jeffrey: It really all starts with the customer. We get so many testimonials, continuously written. And then we do webinars. We're doing Saturday morning webinars now, so the European customers can come on. Here's an example. What we're seeing is more resilience that people are able to bounce back from really difficult times in their life.

[00:27:44] So we had a woman raise her hand to talk to us. She was from Madrid, Spain, PhD in psychology. She was educated in the US, very resourceful, very smart woman. And she said she had really good life, and then this last year she lost multiple family members. Her husband got stage four cancer, was diagnosed as stage four cancer.

[00:28:11] And she said, "I fell into panic attacks, anxiety, depression." And she knew what to do. She's a PhD psychologist, and she could not get herself out. Months and months of really suffering, not able to sleep at all. She calls us up day two of the free trial and says, "I came out. I'm feeling happy. I'm sleeping." So there's this percent, it's like a miracle for them. It's like from their perception-- she said, "This is the best thing that's happened to me in my life”.

[00:28:55] So to me, that's where research starts, is these experiences that we can really connect with the customer about. And so part of the basis of the experiments has been, first of all, what do the customers say? Let's put it all in a big word cloud and see what comes out, and then do formal research with that.

[00:29:22] And that's besides the EMF studies. Our customers are always bringing us new things, and one of them at the University of Arizona brought in Dr. Gary Schwartz, who somebody he knew there. And he's a giant, Harvard, Yale, University of Arizona, head of the consciousness department, head of psychiatry, psychology to surgery. He was big. Written dozens of books, 500 published research papers.

[00:29:59] Luke: Damn.

[00:30:01] Jeffrey: He's been out there.

[00:30:02] Luke: He is not a new age kook, in other words.

[00:30:04] Jeffrey: Yeah, But he's open.

[00:30:07] Luke: A true scientist should be.

[00:30:11] Jeffrey: Sceptic, a positive--

[00:30:11] Luke: That should be one of the criteria to be considered scientifically reliable, is open-mindedness.

[00:30:18] Jeffrey: So he is a healthy skeptic. He holds the position that might be true. Might not be true. And so Lewis brought him in because Lewis had his own enlightenment experience in his swimming pool. It's like the vortex of the FLFE was in his swimming pool. Every time he went swimming, he would have these ecstatic experiences.

[00:30:40] So he jumped up in consciousness quite a bit. He had been doing Buddhist practice for a long time. And then all it took was that little extra energy and the extra high consciousness. So when he found Dr. Gary Schwartz, said, "You got to go see these guys. You got to talk to them."

[00:31:01] Gary came in and didn't want to try it, wanted to stay objective. And for a year he analyzed our data. He is a statistics professor. You give him some data, he's up all night. He loves analyzing data.

[00:31:24] Luke: It's just a very particular type of person.

[00:31:26] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[00:31:27] Luke: I'm not one of them.

[00:31:28] Jeffrey: Can you imagine?

[00:31:28] Luke: But I'm glad they exist.

[00:31:30] Jeffrey: And it's so fascinating to hear his statistical take on things. He starts looking at our past experiment data, and then we started doing EMF experiments with him. So helped us find a resource at the University of Pennsylvania who was an expert in EMF. We developed a 30-question survey of common sensitivity symptoms.

[00:31:58] And so meanwhile, Gary is analyzing this and he's like, "Oh my God, this data really, really good data." He's measuring, I don't know if you're familiar with p values. A T-test is one of the tests you do when on an experiment. So you assume, okay, if the experiment was not showing any correlation, whatever it was measuring didn't work, it's the null hypothesis they call it.

[00:32:28] You assume it's true. Then what would be the chance, the probability of getting that data as it is. So I think it's something like five out of 100, like 5% probability of getting data. It's considered valid statistically. Well, our worst data was five out of 10,000, and our best data was one out of a million chance of it happening by probability, by chance.

[00:33:04] That's the kind of data would make him really excited, because you can have something that shows a little effect, but there's a chance that it could have been randomly happening. So after a year of analyzing, Gary went on the service, and he immediately had freedom from back pain that he'd had since he had a terrible accident when he was younger.

[00:33:33] Luke: Wow. I can't believe he held out for a year. I'd see a little bit of data and be like, "I'm in. Was it 35 bucks a month? Okay."

[00:33:44] Jeffrey: No, he's that scientist that you can imagine.

[00:33:50] Luke: That's hardcore. Especially if you're having an issue like back pain, it'd be like, well. It passes the sniff test at least to give it a shot. That speaks volumes to his discernment and integrity to wait until he had enough of it to actually try it. Because he would be influenced, obviously, by his subjective experience.

[00:34:07] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[00:34:07] Luke: Objectivity would kind of go out the window if he had no effect or a profound effect, right?

[00:34:13] Jeffrey: Right, right. And he was observing us and the way we operated and the decisions we made around research. It's like the first EMF experiments we did, we decided not to do a placebo because people are suffering. Do you really want to withhold treatment from somebody-- it's not treatment. We're not doing medical here.

[00:34:37] Luke: Delete the word treatment from the record.

[00:34:39] Jeffrey: Yes. We are--

[00:34:40] Luke: Support. How about that?

[00:34:42] Jeffrey: Right. So you really not want to withhold support from somebody who's really suffering? So the first series of experiments, everybody had the FLFE service, and they knew it. And now we're running a much bigger placebo, double-blind study with this.

[00:35:03] Luke: And this is where you're looking at the symptoms associated with EMF sensitivity.

[00:35:07] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[00:35:08] Luke: The headaches, brain fog, vision problems, yada yada.

[00:35:11] Jeffrey: All 30. Pretty much everything that's been reported, people experience. So the first thing we had to do is validate the instrument. The first study was a smaller pilot study. Is this instrument statistically valid? And so Gary did a lot of tests on the instrument to see if it was-- because we developed it, and it was a survey.

[00:35:36] It was measuring the intensity of the symptom and the frequency of how often was it happening. And interestingly, almost all the studies, they're really close together, like almost the same. So what we would do is recruit people who were not on FLFE, didn't know anything about us, and they would go on the service.

[00:36:07] First, they would do a survey, and they would get a baseline, and then they would go on a service after a period of time, and then we would do several. In some cases we did up to 10 different surveys as people stayed on the service where you just see what the progression's like.

[00:36:26] And what we found was, in those first two weeks, there was a lot of healing and a lot of reduction in symptoms. At first, we looked at two weeks. We looked at 30 days. We looked at 45 days. We saw it was really happening in those two weeks, and then it would start to level off.

[00:36:48] But there was continued healing, continued reduction in symptoms, just wasn't as steep as the first two weeks. So it really validated our choice of two weeks for free trial to give people an experience of what it's personal-- because it is so non-linear, you've got to experience it yourself.

[00:37:12] Luke: One thing I like about your free trial too, I hope it's this way still I know it used to be, is it doesn't require credit card. Is it still that way?

[00:37:19] Jeffrey: No credit card.

[00:37:20] Luke: That's the shittiest thing about free trials, is like whatever software-- it's such a common business practice. I've always been annoyed by that. Like, free trial. Oh cool. I start signing up, and they're like, "Oh, you have to put in your credit card." And then after the free trial you're going to forget that you put your credit card in and all of a sudden, you're getting billed for the next five years in the background that you never look at on your statements.

[00:37:42] I've always found that to be super annoying. So thank you for having an actual free trial that requires the customer to actually have to go do the process of signing up again, which means they have to have enjoyed it or felt something or they're not going to do that.

[00:37:55] Jeffrey: From day one.

[00:37:57] Luke: Yeah, I like that.

[00:37:57] Jeffrey: So big change. It's now phone and home at the same time.

[00:38:02] Clayten: Mm-hmm.

[00:38:02] Luke: Oh, cool.

[00:38:03] Jeffrey: So both free trials start simultaneously.

[00:38:05] Luke: Oh epic.

[00:38:07] I was just on my account today because I wanted to make sure it was on the highest setting when you guys came, and it was, but my phone's not on there now. So I'm like, "Oh, man, I got to fix that." I want to hear more about the research because there's the Dr. Emoto stuff that's really interesting, but I feel like I'm skipping a little bit of context here in terms of when we're speaking to levels of consciousness.

[00:38:33] If we're setting up FLFE on our phone or on our home or hotel room or whatever, you have a slide or on the website when you log into your account portal, and it maxes out at 570. That's relevant to me because I'm familiar with David Hawkins' work and things like that.

[00:38:51] But perhaps Clayten, you could back us up a little bit and discuss why you chose to use that particular scale and how it's relevant to the service and how the parameters are set in terms of limits. Because if it was up to me, I'd be like, "Cool, I'm putting this shit as a thousand." And then I probably wouldn't be able to function.

[00:39:09] So how do you determine what's appropriate, what the customer has the ability to work with in terms of the bandwidth of frequencies and how you're even figuring all of that out?

[00:39:22] Clayten: Yeah. I really enjoyed that conversation about the science. It's good to hear it again. Right now we have 160 people on the double-blind EMF study. I thought I'd mentioned that, in case you forget.

[00:39:35] Luke: Oh, wow.

[00:39:35] Clayten: It's substantial just leading that. And I think it's one of the things I like about Jeff, is he's understated. But 160 people is serious. Okay, so there's a-- let me see here-- the Hawkins map of consciousness. It's a logarithmic scale from one or 0.00001, multiple zeros, to infinity. Infinity is God or divinity, universal consciousness, whatever you call that energy.

[00:40:12] In the human realm, it's one to 1,000. So 200 is integrity, 500 is love on the Hawkins map. You use muscle testing to determine the levels. So we do a lot of testing. We have about seven people in the office now that do testing. So some test free trial. Some are doing different types of research now. We're training a community of testers. And as a--

[00:40:36] Luke: I want to come intern so I can learn how to muscle test.

[00:40:38] Clayten: Yeah. Well, we talked about having you up.

[00:40:41] Luke: Dude. Oh, man. For years, I'm so pissed I have not learned how to do it because I just know it could be so life changing. So anyway, that's just me kicking my own self in the ass to finally figure out a way to learn. Carry on.

[00:40:54] Clayten: It's not like you don't have anything on the go, but yeah. So when I went and seen Hawkins in person in LA, this is, God, I don't know, 2011 maybe. Everybody that stood in line got to ask him a question. Of course, I was in line with 400 other people, or however many it was.

[00:41:15] Luke: Dude, did I ever tell you, I've heard you on that recording? It was in Long Beach, I think. I've listened to that recording, I don't know, like dozens of times, if not hundreds. And after I met you, I realized I'd been hearing you ask that question so many times. I was like, "Oh shit, that's Clayten. That's my boy."

[00:41:34] Clayten: Yeah. I hear that from people. Hey, I just heard you on a Hawkins video.

[00:41:37] Luke: Yeah.

[00:41:38] Clayten: So I was asking a question. What I tried to do is I tried to sneak two questions in at once. I thought I'd get one over on them, but I didn't. I asked him a question. He said, "Let me test that for you." And he said, "It is in the highest and best interest of all creation that Clayten take this course of action that I was questioning about."

[00:42:03] So what I learned from standing in line for two hours and being in the presence of a solar windstorm of light, as I was getting closer to Dr. Hawkins, my knees were getting weak. The guy ahead of me, Wade-- I don't know. You know Wade?

[00:42:20] Luke: Yeah. Wade, yeah. I've heard Wade on the tapes too. Funny, yeah.

[00:42:24] Clayten: So Wade was right ahead of me, and Wade's--

[00:42:26] Luke: From BIOptimizers. They're one of our sponsors. Yeah.

[00:42:28] Clayten: Yeah. So I'm standing behind Wade, and Wade is the five-time all-natural bodybuilding champion of Canada, something like that. Don't quote me on it. He's super fit. I'm behind Wade, and I go, "Wade, is it just me, man?" And I'm like, "I can hardly even stand."

[00:42:47] And I'm looking at the people on the stage on the chairs that are on the corners to usher people in and out. And they're like, hardly can sit up. The energy coming from Hawkins was just like-- we said, "I can hardly stand, man. I feel like I'm in a sandstorm of particles of light coming from Hawkins."

[00:43:05] So we're getting ready, and it's hard to keep the question in your mind, because you're like getting all blissed out. So I go up, and I ask this question. That's the universal wrench of the kinesiology world in my opinion. It's in the highest and best interest of all creation to take this action.

[00:43:26] Then you can scale the level of appropriateness of the options that you have. If it's in the highest and best, the way I interpret that is it's integris, or it's over 50% in our regular school scale, or it's over 200 on the Hawkins map. 200's integrity; 500 is love. So we use that calibration a lot.

[00:43:49] And I think as a company, we've done 14 million calibrations now, around 14 million. I've done 10,400,000-ish. It's just part of day-to-day life. I do 20,000 a month in my role just checking things and doing research.

[00:44:05] Luke: When you first learned to do the muscle testing, did you require another person's arm? Did Hawkins--

[00:44:10] Clayten: I did it in a triad. I always did it in a triad in the beginning. There was three of us.

[00:44:14] Luke: So you did a lot of practice with another person's nervous system before you learned how to do your own ring finger test deal.

[00:44:24] Clayten: Years of practice. Crazy-making, crazy-making.

[00:44:28] Luke: Yeah. Because I've had a few starts and I'm just like, "Oh, man." I try to get Alyson to do it. Her arm gets tired. I don't really know. Although, once, I got to say very, very early on when I discovered Hawkins, I did a test with a friend of mine and I had him hold a bible with his eyes closed, and he didn't know what it was, to his chest, and he was strong as shit. And then I put like a Charles Manson book, something low vibe and weak.

[00:44:55] And I was like, "Okay, I did one." Pretty solid, and there's no placebo. He doesn't know what the book is. I'm using the same pressure. And I was like, "Okay, I've got a start." But then I think, to your point, it requires some discipline to actually get to the point of skill where you can rely upon it and actually make life decisions based on that.

[00:45:15] Because you might be asking a very impactful question that impacts not only your life, but the lives of people with whom you relate. And so it could be serious if you can't really depend on your answers, especially in your case, because you have customers in all these different countries that are depending on your answers.

[00:45:33] So anyway, I just am so fascinated by that. And to Hawkins, man, I don't have many regrets in life, but one of them is I went to two of his lectures, and I was too like scared to get up and ask a question. That's what used to happen to me at 12-step meetings in the early days.

[00:45:53] I'd be too embarrassed and shy and insecure. And then he died. And I went to his last talk in Prescott, I think, and then he died. And I was like, "Goddamnit. I had my chance twice." It was either lazy and afraid. The line was super long. You'd have to stand there for two or three hours.

[00:46:12] It was a little much. But I wanted the experience of sitting across from him and just looking in his eyes and just seeing what was there and experiencing that. So congratulations on having the fortitude to do that and to get blasted by the wind.

[00:46:28] Clayten: The solar wind.

[00:46:28] Luke: But it's true. A lot of people would get up and ask him questions, and you could see they were very intent. And then they'd sit at his table and they'd just be like [Laughter]. They'd just bliss out, start laughing, and all of a sudden, their question became irrelevant.

[00:46:41] Clayten: Yeah.

[00:46:42] Luke: Like whatever they're going to ask means nothing at this point because it was coming from a lower place of understanding. I've had that happen with psychedelics, right? I go into a journey. I'm like, I need answer to this existential question. And halfway through the journey, I think of the question like, that's ridiculous. Who cares? We're onto like such more important work here.

[00:47:03] So anywho, back to the time you spent learning how to calibrate and understanding its relationship to FLFE and the service. Tell me about the parameters and how you're able to keep your customer base within a safe range and not allowing people to get blown out from going too high, etc?

[00:47:28] Clayten: Well, one of the things we have is we have a consciousness slider, as you said, in the control panel. So you can turn the consciousness up and down in your location and you can turn EMF mitigation on and off. So we try to encourage people to be their own consciousness researcher.

[00:47:46] And so when we talk about how high we can set the environment, it is in the highest and best interest of all creation to have the environment be limited at this number. And it's the number of unconditional love. And at some point, if you go into high fields really quickly-- so there's several measurements in kinesiology.

[00:48:11] And it took me five years of testing and 2.75 million calibrations before I really trusted myself. And I started assessments on people and charging. I did 1,000 assessments for free just because I needed to know that it worked. So by the time someone like Jeff came along, it's like, yeah, if I'm going to give you data, it's going to be-- at the time the data was 995 on the assessments.

[00:48:36] And I let it go down to 980 because there's no so much value in it beyond there. The value is really knowing what to work on. The value isn't in that level of accuracy. So the level of consciousness of the environment is the minimum level that it would be at 98% of the time.

[00:48:55] 10% of our customers, their homes are over 600, And some of them are 650 and 670. And if you become a high conscious person, basically what happens is you're not putting your life energy into the environment to lift it up. It's supporting you, and it will go up with you if it's already high.

[00:49:20] But if you're in an area with a high geopathic stress zone, like living next to cell phone towers, or there's a stream underneath your property or some anomalous situation, a big bend in the road and the energy from the cars, it continues for a while. Right. Or if you're on a bend in a river, in certain types of situations.

[00:49:43] Luke: What about being unknowingly on an ancient burial site or something where there's spiritual artifact floating around? Is that a thing?

[00:49:52] Clayten: Yeah.

[00:49:52] Jeffrey: Plenty of those.

[00:49:53] Luke: Really?

[00:49:54] Clayten: Plenty of those.

[00:49:54] Jeffrey: Oh, yeah.

[00:49:55] Clayten: Yeah. Old war zones. There could have been a fight on this property 3,000 years ago, and if the energy wasn't cleared, that history is still there. Even if you clear the energy, you can clear the trauma, but memory's still there. So you're not erasing the history. You're just supporting the trauma to find peace.

[00:50:18] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[00:50:19] Luke: Got it.

[00:50:19] Jeffrey: It can really affect you. We talk about level a lot, but the content, the information in the field is really important too. There's so many temples in India, and each one is different. It has different information in the field. And people go there for that purpose, fertility or whatever it is, wealth.

[00:50:44] So that information in the field that's maybe on the land that's been there for a hundred years, we had one it was like a basement fight club kind of thing, to the death. And that energy, there was some lay line crossing at the same place. It was really intense.

[00:51:07] Clayten: It was dark.

[00:51:08] Jeffrey: So what happens is customers tell us if something feels weird, but we are also measuring, and I think it's really important about kinesiology, is we have a team. If one person measures, it can go sideways. It probably will. You're dehydrated or you ate something that didn't agree with you, and your testing's flipped.

[00:51:36] Luke: Or you have even some unconscious attachment to the answer you want. Even if you're an integris person, there's things that motivate us beneath the surface of our awareness that might--

[00:51:52] Jeffrey: My level of conscious is 1,200. I tested. It's true.

[00:51:59] Luke: Yeah, yeah.

[00:51:59] Jeffrey: But that team is so important. So we have a team of three that test the level of conscious of the properties every day-- well, during the week. And then Clayten tests their testing. And I do occasionally as well. So it's like we're testing that their testing is accurate. And they have to reach the same conclusion, all three of them, for them to make note of it as an answer. So that's a key piece here, is having a team.

[00:52:31] Luke: Yeah, that makes sense. Cross checking.

[00:52:35] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm.

[00:52:35] Luke: What do they say? Dotting your i's, crossing your t's.

[00:52:39] Jeffrey: Right.

[00:52:39] Luke: Okay. So if 570 is what you've determined to be the most appropriate maximum setting, you mentioned the guy who had this experience in his pool, is there any future world in which someone like me, for example, could make my pool 800, but only that and not the rest of the house?

[00:53:01] So I know if anyone gets in there is going to start having a samadhi experience or something.

[00:53:07] Jeffrey: We have some advances coming.

[00:53:10] Luke: Cool.

[00:53:11] Jeffrey: Yeah. And you'll be testing them probably among the first.

[00:53:14] Luke: I'll do it. I'll even test the ones that aren't safe, just to take one for the team.

[00:53:19] Jeffrey: You won't be testing if they're not safe.

[00:53:21] Luke: Yeah, I know, I know, I know. But that's the thing. It's like when you guys sat down, you said you set this particular location in the house at 700, which is a really high field. I feel like clarity of thought and articulation is pretty easy. It's going well. I feel alert.

[00:53:41] I'm not totally blissed out, but is there a risk of someone becoming non-functional? Apart from FLFE, but you hear about people that have an enlightenment experience, and they saw all their shit and moved to the middle of nowhere and they become a renunciate, and it might be great for them, but they let their business and family go and all this kind of stuff.

[00:54:02] It can be very disruptive to your life path to achieve very high levels of consciousness if you're not prepared for it or you're not willing to let go of what you might be called to let go of and so on.

[00:54:19] Jeffrey: And that's why we've been cautious in that. And now with higher levels, which we'll explain to you when it's ready, it's very-- the back end's getting built for it right now.

[00:54:32] Clayten: Yeah.

[00:54:33] Luke: Cool.

[00:54:33] Jeffrey: We'll be there, but it won't be on all the time. You would have to take action.

[00:54:40] Luke: Right. So not like now you have the boost feature. I'll use the boost feature if I have to make a really scary phone call. I don't like confrontation. If I have to make a confrontational phone call, which I avoid, but sometimes life calls for it all go, "I got whatever it is, two minutes at 850 or something."

[00:54:58] Boom. I hit that, then I pick up the phone and do the thing. So I think that's a really cool feature. It takes a second to go on and do it, but if you have a moment that you need extra support, I think it's a pretty cool feature to have.

[00:55:13] Let's talk about the EMF part of it, because as I said, that was the first thing that drew me in, and then I realized like, oh wow, that's kind of just a side benefit actually in terms of FLFE. But I do a lot of work around EMF, approaching it from all different angles.

[00:55:31] You have one school of thought on the physics side that's like you're building biologists. My good friend Brian Hoyer really helped with a lot of the EMF mitigation in this house. He's an intelligent enough guy to say, "Hey, there's things I'm sure I don't understand, but I only go by what is measurable." So that's when you're in the shielding world, shielding paint, fabrics, all of the testing and all this kind of stuff, hardwiring the whole house.

[00:55:57] So we've done as much as we possibly can in the realm of physics shielding here that is verifiable and testable. But I don't want to just do that. So I've got FLFE, there's another company, I'm sure you guys have heard of, Quantum Upgrade that does something similar.

[00:56:15] I have devices all over the house. If there's anything that I think is remotely valid in the realm of shielding, blocking on the physics side or in the metaphysics side of the quantum energy realm, I just do it all. And I think our house feels really good. I feel very healthy and vital here.

[00:56:33] People come over. They go, "Wow, it feels really good." It happens every time somebody comes here. So you have the pragmatic physics people over here that are poo-pooing on the energetic stuff, and then you have the energetic side.

[00:56:51] I'm being very broad here in my generalization, but you have, not you guys necessarily, but people on the harmonizing side that are like, "You don't need to do any of the blocking and shielding, and you could in fact be harming yourself by cutting yourself off from these cosmic energies."

[00:57:06] So just harmonize the environment. Don't worry about blocking and shielding. I'm somewhere in the middle, as I said, so I just do everything because I'm just a maximum kind of person, and I just am so irritated by EMF that I want to fight it from every possible angle.

[00:57:20] So that leads me to the real question for you guys, is at what point did you discover that the EMF mitigation was something that the FLFE energy provided, and what was the inspiration to make that part of the offering?

[00:57:40] Clayten: It started with--

[00:57:44] Jeffrey: The customer like always.

[00:57:46] Clayten: The customer. Yeah, like always. So we have this guarantee that the level of conscious of the property will be at the level set on your consciousness slider-- that's what we call that slider-- 98 of the time or more. Or you get it for free until we upgrade it and fix it.

[00:58:04] And we test all the properties every Saturday in a batch test, and we started getting the odd property that was below the level on the slider. So we would call the customer and it's like, "We noticed the level of conscious of your slider is 540. You turn it down from 550. Default's there." But the level of property's only 510.

[00:58:24] It's like, is there anything that you've changed in the environment? Well, we just put a new smart meter in. They just put a new smart meter on the house last week, or I just put a new rider in the house, or the new cell tower went up across the street, or a 5G tower went up down the street.

[00:58:40] And so what we discovered was from a consciousness point of view, there's two types of EMFs. There's consciousness lowering and consciousness raising. So when we look at it, we look at it, I guess, from the point of principles. What are the principles that you want to have with dealing with EMFs in our lives? Some of them are positive and some of them are not.

[00:59:04] Luke: Right. Like the sun.

[00:59:06] Clayten: Sun's positive.

[00:59:07] Luke: I love that you brought that up because I'm always being so harsh on EMF and it's like, oh, we need the magnetic field of the planet. We need the radiation from the side. It's like, it's not all bad.

[00:59:16] Clayten: You have a loving dog. It's radiating an electromagnetic frequency. We're radiating positive EMFs right now. The plant behind you is radiating a positive EMF. So we went--

[00:59:28] Luke: That's why I have real plants in the studio. Many podcast hosts have the plastic ones.

[00:59:32] Clayten: Yeah, no, it's a [Inaudible] of the plant.

[00:59:33] Luke: I can't do it. I can't do plastic plants.

[00:59:35] Jeffrey: It looks really good.

[00:59:36] Luke: I can't do it.

[00:59:37] Clayten: It's even growing over you like a blessing.

[00:59:40] Luke: Yeah.

[00:59:40] Clayten: Yeah. So when we looked at EMFs, we started with how do you block them? And then you run into the issue of disconnecting yourself from the positive EMFs. And then we went to deflecting. It's like, well, should we deflect them? We didn't do anything with this. And then we were doing research on EMFs. Well, what do you deflect them to?

[01:00:04] Luke: Yeah, you blast your neighbor.

[01:00:06] Clayten: Yeah, your neighbor. We were looking for ways to deflect them down into the earth. And then we came across this research that was on shungite, that shungite said and acclaimed for the people doing the research, that it was the only material in existence that would turn a negative EMF or a consciousness lowering EMF to a consciousness raising EMF.

[01:00:30] We had a friend in-- it was a Sedona. They took little pieces of shungite and put it on the smart meters in this apartment block and put some plants in there before. They put them in with the smart meters. And they wilted and went away from the smart meters. And then they put the shungite on the smart meters and the plants started growing towards the smart meters and started getting healthy.

[01:00:52] Luke: That's crazy.

[01:00:53] Clayten: Crazy.

[01:00:53] Luke: Years ago, I took pieces of shungite and taped them all around my router.

[01:00:57] Clayten: Yeah.

[01:00:58] Luke: I didn't know if it did anything, but I heard some story like that. I was like, "Oh, it's not going to hurt anything."

[01:01:03] Clayten: That's harmonizing. So that's a pretty high level, and that lets all the other good stuff in. And now there's an idea we came across, and it was partially from a book that Jeff read. What was that book on resiliency?

[01:01:16] Jeffrey: Invisible Rainbow.

[01:01:17] Clayten: Invisible Rainbow was one of them. There was another one--

[01:01:20] Luke: That guy recently died. The author, Arthur something. And he was on my list of people I have to interview. God bless him, man. I didn't get to him in time.

[01:01:30] Clayten: So there's another concept beyond harmonizing, which is to optimize the amount of EMFs that are in your environment so that it builds your resiliency. So if you go from everything's harmonized and everything's controlled, and it's all good to, like, you're in a place where it's not, the impact is severe. Could be severe.

[01:01:57] So if you increase the body's resiliency gradually, increase it gradually, then if you're in a place where you don't have the help that you have, like FLFE, or you have shungite in your pocket or something or on your cell phone, then you can make that transition to that environment and not have it affect you. And some people just aren't affected much by EMFs.

[01:02:24] Luke: I know. Bastards.

[01:02:26] Clayten: Yeah, yeah. It's unfair.

[01:02:29] Luke: It's like people that can fly and they don't feel fatigued or anything, they get off the airplane. They're like, "Hey, let's go to dinner." What? Are you crazy? I got to go sleep for four hours after a flight.

[01:02:40] Clayten: Yeah.

[01:02:41] Luke: So I think some people are just more, I don't know. They have more resilience or vitality, and they're not as bothered.

[01:02:46] Clayten: Everybody has a gift, multiple gifts. And so the gift of some people is their resiliency to EMFs. And so as humans continue to populate, the people that have more resilience will be healthier, live longer, make more families, and that's how humanity evolves.

[01:03:05] So this optimization piece is our last upgrade. We're actually doing EMF 6.0 right now. We're working on that. We're going to release it probably pretty soon. And we've got EMF 7.0 halfway done. So it continues to evolve, but the optimization is, I think, the next level.

[01:03:25] Luke: Epic. I like that you brought up the resiliency piece because I think that's the real linchpin of the harmonizing side of dealing with EMF. And because it's not going to show on an EMF meter whether or not you have some device in your house or service on your house, but again, going back to what I was saying earlier about the research, is you can show that there's a positive effect on biology. And part of that positive effect is showing the resilience, even on plants and pets and whatever.

[01:03:57] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm.

[01:03:57] Luke: So it's like there's a middle step between A and C, which is B, the subject in the middle who's having the positive effect, which in this case is being resilient to it. And you can take certain supplements that help you be resilient to EMFs. Basically, anything that helps with oxidative stress, like an antioxidant hydrogen.

[01:04:18] There's all kinds of things that make you less susceptible to the effects. And I do all of those things too, of course, especially when I'm flying. It's like, okay, I'm going to hit this thing from every angle. I've got my scalar thing plugged in. I got FLFE on my phone. Or at least I used to until I forgot it wasn't there anymore.

[01:04:35] Taking all these different targeted supplements. And some of it's blocking things, some of it's harmonizing things. All of it, hopefully though, is supporting the physical and the energetic vitality so that you can live in the world like a normal person. That's the thing when you're EMF sensitive.

[01:04:51] It can be very confining and limiting, and all of a sudden it's like you don't want to go anywhere where there's high EMF because you feel like shit. It's terrible. Which is why I called the people bastards that don't seem to notice it.

[01:05:04] Jeffrey: Yeah, we have customers like that. We had a woman that called in on our webinar. She could not leave her house. She would physically vomit if she got anywhere near a cell tower or a transformer. And it just was a small existence. There just wasn't much there.

[01:05:23] And she went on free trial and subscribed. And with her phone with her, she could drive past those. And she knew they were there, but she didn't get sick. She could go to the store, do her thing, come back. Before, there was a recovery period, like you were saying.

[01:05:40] Luke: Yeah.

[01:05:41] Jeffrey: Like there was damage it needed to be recovered from. And with the bubble, she would not have a recovery period. So it was interesting.

[01:05:51] Luke: That's one thing I wanted to ask you guys too, is, okay, so I have FLFE on this house, and normally I have the service on my phone too. Even though I believe in you guys, and I believe you, I believe in you and I your testimony, and I believe the things you say are true, or at least you believe them to be true, and they've been proven by other people, etc., I still am like paranoid having my phone next to me or not having my bedroom shielded, even though I believe you. But still, I'm like, "Ah, is it really doing the thing?"

[01:06:22] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm.

[01:06:22] Luke: And maybe I'm overkill, but in theory, what you believe is that, say someone lives in a home like this, there's no shielding paint and all this stuff that I've done. They even have Wi-Fi, maybe a couple of smart devices and refrigerators, whatever, appliances, smart meter on the back of the house.

[01:06:41] The idea here is that the EMF from external sources down the road, your neighbor's smart meter, etc., are being harmonized as well as EMF that's being non-native, EMF that's being produced from within the home from different ways you've introduced it through technology and stuff. Do you think that is enough to render one safe?

[01:07:03] Jeffrey: I think everyone's different, and there's different levels of sensitivity.

[01:07:08] Luke: I know I'm really putting you on the spot here.

[01:07:11] Jeffrey: No, no, it's good.

[01:07:12] Clayten: No, it's good.

[01:07:13] Luke: It really is a personal question because, like I said, I have my phone FLFE on it. I still have the DefenderShield cases on it though. Because I'm like, "I better go extra just in case a little leaks through."

[01:07:25] Jeffrey: I think there's different sensitivities, and we are designing-- since FLFE is a consciousness technology, it's custom for each place. So the way the bubble works is within the house, within the yard and the house. All the sources, say these lights, they're harmonized. And they're harmonized by raising the consciousness of the light itself.

[01:07:54] Because what we found in a high consciousness field, there's a harmonizing effect that's naturally happens. And somehow it's changing the carrier waves or the frequencies, or it's aligning the frequencies in some way.

[01:08:08] We don't even know exactly how it works, but we know that those-- when we did testing, the level of conscious of that bulb would go up. And it becomes in its radiation instead of negative-- conscious raising instead of lowering. But we're all on this journey of becoming more resilient, and we know from invisible rainbow that there's been these waves of new technologies that have come.

[01:08:37] Luke: Crazy, crazy.

[01:08:38] Jeffrey: We haven't all expired. People and birds and trees became resilient, which was interesting because the birds were falling from the sky when they first put electrical lighting in London. There were these power lines everywhere and--

[01:08:57] Luke: So wild, dude. I hope the bees of the world catch up in their evolution in time or we're screwed. That's the thing I think about with the spraying they do, man, all over the place and the infrastructure of radiation. I'm just like, hello, guys. Killing off humans is one thing, but if we lose the bees, we're all toast.

[01:09:18] Jeffrey: It's trouble. Yeah. It's one of our--

[01:09:20] Luke: Every time I see a bee, I'm like, "Thank God. Okay, there's one." We had one on our cactus yesterday. I was like, "Okay." Because there was a heavy spraying day yesterday. I'm like, "That guy made it. All right. There might be hope."

[01:09:29] Jeffrey: Our PhD on the research team is a beekeeper.

[01:09:32] Luke: Oh, no way.

[01:09:34] Jeffrey: So bees are one of our service projects, and we want to get more and more into it. And she's met another master beekeeper in the Nelson area. And so we're going to do some-- so the big danger is wintering, overwintering. They don't survive that because they're weaker. So we're going to do a project with them to see if we can protect that.

[01:09:58] Luke: And make high consciousness bees.

[01:09:59] Jeffrey: Yeah, yeah.

[01:10:01] Luke: I want that honey. Years ago, you guys, I was in Colorado. I was thinking about my dad, and we were out shooting guns or something, and I came across these abandoned beehives. And I was like, "Oh, sick. I want to see if I can find any honey or any--" what do they call that? Bee bread.

[01:10:19] Jeffrey: Mm-mm.

[01:10:20] Luke: And so there was some stuff in there, and I got the dust off, and I put it in a bag and ate a bunch of it. And then I got super, super sick the next day. I've never been that sick in my entire life. Flu kind of symptoms, and I had to go give a talk in Aspen.

[01:10:37] And I showed up because I don't cancel gigs. It's like a weird thing I have. And I was crying. It was a basket case. But I realized, I think afterward what had happened was the colony collapse was probably from glyphosate spraying in the area. And I think I got glyphosate poisoned from forging that freaking honey.

[01:10:59] Yeah, so word to the wise out there, people. Don't eat bee products when you don't know where they came from or what they've been exposed to. Because it was in Grand Junction at the time. It was a very agricultural area. I was like, "That had to have been it." There's like nothing that would make you that sick.

[01:11:14] So anyway, with the EMF thing, tell me about something new I saw on the site today. There's one tab, and I didn't click into it and research it, but it was a different tab that says shungite. Is that an add-on thing where you can in specifically amp up the frequency of Shungite?

[01:11:39] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm. Yeah. There's been an evolution continuously of the EMF service as things change. And because we know how important shungite is and we're using the energetic essence, the signature of shungite in the service, we realize as things amp up, physical shungite on your body within your aura is really important. This upgrade of FLFE was enhance that physical shungite that's on your body to create an entire bubble around you.

[01:12:20] Luke: Cool.

[01:12:20] Jeffrey: Instead of just being right there, it's your entire bubble. So it makes a big difference for people to have shungite. At least seven grams, that's the minimum.

[01:12:30] Luke: Really?

[01:12:30] Clayten: Yeah, yeah.

[01:12:32] Luke: Really? So could I buy shungite on your site? Did I not click deep enough? That's what that--

[01:12:37] Jeffrey: You can. Yeah.

[01:12:37] Luke: Oh, okay, okay.

[01:12:37] Clayten: Yeah. We have it all verified to make sure it's real shungite.

[01:12:40] Luke: Cool. So you're going into the physical realm a bit there.

[01:12:43] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm.

[01:12:43] Clayten: Yeah. And we're noticing that our service provides relief for let's say a high percentage of people. And 5.0 allows us to help a few more percent. And then 6.0 is going to be a few more percent because it's those people with those high sensitivities that are just suffering.

[01:13:01] We had customers that couldn't walk through an automatic door in a grocery store without having a reaction. So they can't even go get groceries. And so they've gone on FLFE and it's like, okay, their symptomology has gone down 80% from walking through that door. Is there something we can do to get it down to 90? And we figured out shungite in your physical aura is something else we can do that if it's not in your physical aura.

[01:13:26] Luke: Ah, okay.

[01:13:27] Clayten: And then now we got 6.0 is better, and then we got 7.0 that's halfway done. So if our success rate was 90% with 80% of the population, I don't how we'd measure that, but now it's maybe 92% with 83% of the population. So we're just going to keep working at it.

[01:13:45] Luke: That's epic. Now I'm going to be going through the airport security with a pockets full of shungite. Just when I thought I couldn't get any weirder. You know what I mean? It's like, "Ah, God. Okay, I got to do that."

[01:13:57] Jeffrey: It doesn't seem to set off any alarms.

[01:13:59] Luke: No. I always--

[01:14:01] Jeffrey: Like if you had a big leg bracelet of it.

[01:14:01] Luke: I always get stopped anyway. I have so much weird stuff in my bag. By the way, if you're listening and you get stopped a lot, the great like easy way-- they're still going to stop you and waste your time, but if you say to TSA, that that's medicine, if it's like supplements or something, like that's medicine.

[01:14:18] And also any of my weird technologies, I just say-- if you're listening, TSA, by the way, I'm sorry I lied, but it's not entirely untrue. I'll say it's a medical device.

[01:14:28] If you say medicine or medical device, like, oh, okay. All of a sudden it gets less weird to them. I'm sure there's some regulatory fine print there that they're following that it's like, okay, don't really mess with them if it's something medical. Just a free tip for the listeners, for those of us that travel with a bunch of really weird-looking stuff and get stopped a lot.

[01:14:51] Actually, here's a good time to let people know, if you guys want to check out your 15-day free trial, you don't even have put in your credit card. They're not going to scam you and start billing you afterward unless you ask them to. You can go to lukestorey.com/flfe, and that's 15 days free.

[01:15:09] Now I want to ask you, because I know people are going to hit me up about this and be like, "Why didn't you ask them this?" So I mentioned earlier this company Quantum Upgrade, and I think when they came out I asked you about it or mentioned it to you because I work with them and I use that service too.

[01:15:23] And so ever since the day came out, you guys have been around much longer. People ask me, which one's better? What should I do? And it's like, people are very black and white. Everything is binary. That one sucks. This one's the best. Vice versa. My answer is always like, I believe in both of them. I use both of them. They're awesome. I don't know. Use your intuition. Try both out. Sign up for a month for each one. See if you notice anything. Which one feels better? Be your own guide because I don't operate in the world of either or. There's better and not as good, but if it totally sucks and I think it's irrelevant or harmful, then I just don't do it at all.

[01:16:03] And it's on the no-go list. So I know you guys are very respectful fellas and you're not like competitive in your nature, but what would be your answer to someone who asked me that? Which one's better, or which one's better for me?

[01:16:18] Jeffrey: Well, I would say that the customer portal and the control panel is so useful for this. If you can turn EMF mitigation off, how do I feel? I can turn the service off. How do I feel? That ability to do that, I think we all have to be our own instrument of what works for us and what doesn't work for us.

[01:16:49] I would put it back to the person now. We have a credit card-free trial. That's not the case them. Makes it a little more difficult. But from the very beginning, that's been our ethic, no credit card. And the other piece is what happens to others in the house. So very often we get mothers or the woman in the household who doesn't tell anybody else, they put it on, and they see what happens.

[01:17:27] And that's another barometer for, is this working? And keeping things separate and trying one at a time is really important. And giving it some time to do its thing. For us, these stories from-- we had one the other day. My husband, I've known him 17 years. He's been depressed. He gets angry at everything. It changed.

[01:18:00] It's been a month. He's not like that anymore. It's like, what happened? He had no idea that the service was on. And same thing with kids, that happened. Because our minds can play lots of tricks. But if we can see what happens for other people in plants in the environment, that's a real measure.

[01:18:24] Luke: Totally. I love that because you're not going to hurt anyone. You're not doing anything against their will or behind their back. It's like, at least you believe it can only be helpful. And so it's a great way to see if you're diluting yourself into thinking something's working when it's not because you just hope it will and wish it will. It is a great practice to observe someone else without them knowing that you're observing their changes.

[01:18:50] Jeffrey: I would mention the science too.

[01:18:52] Clayten: Mm-hmm.

[01:18:53] Jeffrey: So in any of these new frontier technologies that are happening, there's science, hopefully, if they're valid-- but in frontier science, it's the effect you look at first. That's what Dr. Schwartz taught us. So is something happening? That's beneficial. We've focused on really going deep in symptoms on EMF.

[01:19:26] Is it reducing those symptoms and increasing the quality of life for those people. So in developing that instrument, that 30-symptom instrument, testing it, then going on and doing a replication and another replication. So when you look at a company, take a look at their research.

[01:19:50] First of all, are they measuring something that you care about? Do your platelets clump well? Is there a study that shows that platelet clumping or not clumping is affecting how I feel? When you're using a non-traditional measure like that, you need to have the research-- multiple research and replication that that is valid as a measuring tool.

[01:20:23] So that's important to look at. When you look at a website and you look at their research, first of all, is it something I care about? Will I feel better? Is the research showing I will feel better? Are some of these non-standard things validated in some way? Where's the validation? And are the results shown?

[01:20:46] Because there's a lot of marketing that happens and a lot of slick claims. But if the claim is not validated by the research, it's probably just a marketing phrase. With the actual data being shown and the actual research shown, then you can see, okay, is this really valid?

[01:21:12] And Gary's taught that to us from the beginning. Like, what are your claims? What's the basis of that claim? We'll be coming up on a kinesiology study at some point with him. He's got it on his list. But when you're on someone's site and you're looking, is data there, and are the statistics there?

[01:21:39] A t-test is the type of statistical analysis, like we talked about it with the p-value. Could this have happened by chance? First of all, how big is the study size? How many experimental subjects were there? How many data points were there? But even a small study size can be valid statistically.

[01:22:04] We had a study size of 10 participants in EMFs, and we had a p-value of one in a million. So there was a one in a million chance, that probability of that being by chance. So if you're doing a frontier science, you want it to work on two people. You want it to work on each person.

[01:22:33] So a small sample is not necessarily bad, but then you need a validation with a larger study, and you need another validation with another study. So that very conservative approach to science in a frontier science area is very important. Because if you just say, "Oh, well, you know, platelets clump, or don't clump, or this happens." And there could very well be a valid basis to that. I'm not saying there isn't, but in someone's site, you want to look for that.

[01:23:08] Luke: Absolutely. I think that's fair and measured. Thank you. No pun intended on the measured.

[01:23:13] Clayten: And who's the person doing the research? Is it some obscure research institute with a post office box somewhere that has a good name? You just dig a little bit deeper, and you can learn a lot.

[01:23:25] Jeffrey: Being a healthy skeptic.

[01:23:27] Clayten: Yes, yes. Open-minded skeptic, it's not easy because the mind likes to analyze things and make them wrong. I think Jeff probably answered that better than I could. My position is trust yourself. Try different things, and trust your own experience.

[01:23:49] Luke: Yeah. 100%. That's the thing because everyone's so unique. Everyone's biochemistry, everyone's history, everyone's family lineage, influences seen and unseen, it's like every single person is going to have a totally different experience with anything in everything they do in life.

[01:24:07] There's some people that get thrills from freaking skydiving. You couldn't pay me enough money to go skydiving. It's like, it's just not my thing. It's going to affect me differently. I'm going to be super traumatized. Someone else is going to be empowering, life-affirming experience.

[01:24:22] So everything from there and in between is very subjective. So I appreciate that approach. But I did want to ask you because I know for sure people-- why don't you ask them about the thing? And I think both of your answers are great, and I would reiterate that. It's just try different things and see what works for you, man.

[01:24:41] It's like you're the one that knows. You're in charge of your own destiny, and you're your own best test subject. People sending me supplements all the time, and I look at their website. Looks legit. I take it sometimes. I go, "Holy shit, this is incredible." Sometimes I go, "I don't feel anything."

[01:24:59] I might give it to the next person. The one that is incredible for me does nothing for them and vice versa. So experimentation, I think, is the way. Well, fellas-- oh, no, I got one more for you. You've talked a little bit about a couple of your future plans and things you have in the pipeline.

[01:25:17] But thinking big vision, long-term, what do you see as the highest potential for the work you're doing with FLFE? If you had the resources, the staff, all the energy you would need behind you, what would you like to do with it?

[01:25:36] Clayten: Well, the mission is to-- and it's somewhat technical because we're technical. It's a fairly technical field. I am, anyway. The mission is to support the evolution of consciousness in an economized society. So when we talk about the optimal level of consciousness for a household to be at, when people work for a living and have to pay a mortgage and rent and support a family or participate in that, that guides all of our resources.

[01:26:11] Now, we're coming up with new things on the backend that will give people that are on a little different path some other options. Now, what's interesting about consciousness compensation, and you've heard of this, Luke, is that one person at 500 on the Hawkins map right now might counterbalance for 340,000 people below 200, and that'll change depending on the level of conscious of the planet. But we're all connected. And so a rising tide floats all ships. That's a Hawkins quote.

[01:26:49] Luke: Oh, man.

[01:26:50] Clayten: That's where I heard it anyway.

[01:26:51] Luke: 100%.

[01:26:52] Clayten: I love that saying.

[01:26:53] Luke: All his little sayings like that are lodged into my memory forever. But we know this. You walk into a cathedral or a meditation class, or a yoga class, or a plant medicine ceremony. You walk in a room, it's uplifting. You could be in a 12-step meeting. It's a great example of that.

[01:27:09] I used to go into meetings. I was ready to freaking kill myself, and I'd sit in a room full of people for an hour and walk out and be like, "Everything's fine. I feel great. What happened?" There's more people at a higher level of consciousness than my sorry ass. And it was the law of entrainment brought me up to their collective level. And I'm sure that's scalable.

[01:27:31] Clayten: Oh, yeah. That's the power of place. In fact, the 12-step program seems to be the most powerful personal development program on the planet. It helps so many people. There's so many programs, and there's three principles that are in the 900s. I think it's three-- is it 3, 9, and 11? I can't remember.

[01:27:52] Luke: Really?

[01:27:52] Clayten: Hawkins talked about it.

[01:27:54] Luke: Oh yeah, yeah.

[01:27:54] Clayten: You can go through it if you want.

[01:27:55] Luke: Dude, it's funny. That was one of my questions for him. It's funny now because I'm like, it would be kind of irrelevant to me now. But he used to talk a lot about calibrating The Big Book, the Alcoholics Anonymous and different things about the steps and meetings and all of that, which were really pertinent to my life at that time.

[01:28:11] But the book that I derived the most benefit from was, we call it the Twelve and Twelve, the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, which was written some years later, maybe 10 or 12 years later, and went into much more depth on each of the steps. Not so much as in their application to not drinking alcohol, but in actually the evolution of your character, the refinement of your character and spiritual experience and all that.

[01:28:37] So I always found that book to be much more tangible. And that was going to be my question. You never talk about that book. And that's the one that really moved me. Calibrate that. That was my silly question.

[01:28:48] And now, as I said, it wouldn't matter. But yeah, I love that he used to make that correlation a lot and spoke so highly of that. Because that was my experience. Saved my freaking life, man. There's no way I would be living right now if it weren't for those principles.

[01:29:06] Clayten: Well, he's pretty transparent that he was active in the 12-step movement for I think 56 years at one point, I heard. So that's a lot of meetings. And he is obviously a good calibrator, so he calibrates the principles.

[01:29:21] Luke: Yeah, yeah. It just reminded me of another funny thing. When I first found his work and saw that he was living and giving lectures and stuff, I emailed their website and was like, "Does Dr. Hawkins ever speak at any meetings?" Because I was going to drive out to Sedona to see if he was speaking at a meeting. And whoever answered was like, "Ah, he is not really in the program anymore. You can come to one of his lectures." That's funny. Looking back in the past.

[01:29:44] That brings me to something I almost forgot to ask, which I was going to start with. So, as I said, I only text you if it's an emergency situation because I know you're a busy guy and I'm not paying you to calibrate stuff. But occasionally, when we do talk, I'll check in with you about the state of the world in terms of calibration because I know you keep up on current events in that way.

[01:30:07] So hopefully there's enough relevance to the listeners at this point in the conversation to understand the muscle testing and the level of consciousness. So you can attribute that to any place in history, a location, a group of people, an idea, a book, a song.

[01:30:24] So where are we at right now? Where's Canada? Where's the United States, different locations that are higher or lower? Because I'm just personally so curious. We're coming out of really a dark time, I think, with this whole scamdemic. It's just like, dude, that was hairball.

[01:30:44] I don't know that it's totally over because I think a lot of the players behind it are just doing whatever they're doing now and planning something else probably. But things got pretty gnarly there. And I feel like in general, there's kind of an upswing, at least in the United States.

[01:30:59] The morale is a lot higher. It seems to be people are actually maybe getting convicted when they commit crimes and things like that. Shoplifting has gone down. But anyway, what have you tested recently? World leaders, places? Where are we at on the scale?

[01:31:18] Clayten: Well, my process brain wants to finish the other question first.

[01:31:22] Luke: Oh, no, go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:31:24] Clayten: Then we can talk numbers at the end.

[01:31:26] Luke: Please.

[01:31:26] Jeffrey: Yeah, I wouldn't mind answering, yeah.

[01:31:29] Clayten: Yeah. Let Jeff answer that question. That's a good question. Usually, when I'm present enough, I feel like I'm present enough. Now I usually ask the creator, how should I answer that? Because there's a general answer, but then there's like, what's the answer between Jeff and Clayten and Sharon and Jarrod and Luke and your audience today? That should be said about the mission.

[01:31:57] To create the optimal conditions for the evolution of consciousness in an economized society, you could say that's just raising the level of conscious of the planet, and there is a law of non-interference that we all have to live with.

[01:32:11] We don't have the right to interfere with people, and I feel good about providing the resource that people can access for a reasonable cost that's easy to use. A lot of people are just set and forget it. I'm one of those people, but we have booths, and we have lots of other stuff coming out.

[01:32:30] We're redoing the backend of our website. We'll have more and more services coming out all the time. The way I want to answer that today is I just want something like FLFE to be available. As long as I live, that's what I want. So that if people are looking and they find it, that they can get some help.

[01:32:56] We give about 95% of the energy away that the technology generates in service work right now. That changes from time to time. Sometimes it's 99, sometimes it's 90. I don't think it's ever been below 90 for even a week. So we do a lot of service work that's anonymous. We have a huge bee service project that's on our website-- huge.

[01:33:15] We give a lot of energy away for bees. If we could get paid for the service work we do, it's like hundreds of times our revenue in terms of energy output. But that's what drives us. It's like, okay, we have permission. It's in the highest and best interest of all creation for us to do this service with bees. And it's all very reasonable.

[01:33:36] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm.

[01:33:36] Clayten: And we have extraordinary science. We have probably the best, I don't know-- I think Gary Schwartz is probably the best scientist on the planet at this time for this type of work. And I think he is for this type of work. And we have a full-time doctor on staff, Paulė Bellwood, Dr. Bellwood, on user interface and helping design these surveys.

[01:33:58] We spend a lot of money on research to validate all of the ways we get our information. Kinesiology is a great research tool for some things. If you get good at it, what you'll find is you're naturally-- you might be really good at books, man.

[01:34:13] You just get books all the time, but you can't do properties for some reason. You got like some karmic issue or something. But you're good with books and you're good with people, and you're really good with-- or maybe you're really bad at finding stuff. I'm bad at finding stuff. I'm like 10% out of 100.

[01:34:28] Luke: So if you lose your keys and you're trying to test, is it in the bedroom?

[01:34:31] Clayten: Yes, it is in the bedroom. Yeah. And I found lost keys. But I've had people call me, "Oh, I lost my luggage, man. Can you tell me where in the world my luggage is?" It's like, I'm one in 10 man. And then sometimes that's 20 negatives and two positives, and by the end of 20 negatives, who wants to hear you? I don't want to hear myself at that point.

[01:34:49] We do all this non-linear stuff. We pray, and we get all this data, but it all ends up being vetted through a Yale, Harvard, University of Arizona professor who has written, I think it's 15 books, 400 white papers. He's an extraordinary being, and it all ends up in front of him.

[01:35:13] And he follows the data wherever it leads. You can trust that man to do that. Never seen him not follow the data wherever it leads. And he's gracious enough to let you have your little conniptions about where you want it to go. We laugh about our biases, but it all goes through that. So I really trust the process that we have. So that's a bit of a segue here and there, but that's how feel I want to answer it today.

[01:35:41] Luke: Yeah. That's beautiful.

[01:35:43] Clayten: Feels like it's a living thing.

[01:35:44] Luke: Yeah, yeah. When you talk about the capacity of the technology in terms of energy, and you're using a portion of that for service projects, is the physical technology, the hardware, something like mining Bitcoin where it's using resources, like using more electricity as it's applied more widely?

[01:36:05] Jeffrey: No, it doesn't use electricity anymore.

[01:36:08] Luke: Oh, okay.

[01:36:08] Jeffrey: But we do have to occasionally upgrade for greater capacity.

[01:36:14] Luke: Oh, interesting.

[01:36:16] Jeffrey: But we have enough for millions at this point. But happens is when we bring out a new upgrade, it'll suddenly take a lot more energy to do that, and then we'll need to do one of our hardware processes to increase it. And by the way, Dr. Schwartz has left the University of Arizona. He's now our Doctor of Research.

[01:36:38] Luke: Oh, really?

[01:36:38] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[01:36:38] Luke: Oh, cool.

[01:36:38] Jeffrey: And then we tie it there and came with us.

[01:36:41] Luke: If someone who calibrated under 200, even someone who was, let's say nefarious, had access to your technology, could they use it to cause harm?

[01:36:57] Jeffrey: Yes.

[01:36:59] Yeah. That's why we keep an under lock and key and we don't sell anything.

[01:37:04] Luke: Wow.

[01:37:04] Jeffrey: We could sell pieces, but it's not in the HB to do that.

[01:37:08] Luke: Wow.

[01:37:09] Jeffrey: So yeah, we're very, very, very careful about that.

[01:37:15] Luke: There's a lot of unscrupulous characters out there doing a lot of funny things with technology, so that's good.

[01:37:20] Clayten: We're humbled to what's in the highest and best interest of all creation. Even someone that's a loving person that doesn't know what they're doing can still crash their car into an intersection and hurt people. So yeah, it's a big responsibility.

[01:37:35] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm.

[01:37:36] Luke: True that.

[01:37:37] Clayten: A lot of checks and balances.

[01:37:38] Luke: All right. Give me a weather report.

[01:37:43] Clayten: Jeff, mission.

[01:37:45] Luke: Huh? No, on just where we are--

[01:37:47] Clayten: I thought we left Jeff finish the mission part--

[01:37:49] Luke: Oh, sorry, sorry. Sorry, dude.

[01:37:50] Clayten: Yes.

[01:37:52] Luke: I asked a question and then I'm like, "Yeah, never mind." I'm onto the next thing.

[01:37:55] Clayten: Yeah, I know. I'm the same. I'm the same way.

[01:37:56] Jeffrey: I would just love to see consciousness fields be worldwide known. It's another invisible influence like EMFs, like we've talked about, but it is very powerful, and it's running people's lives in consciousness, in ways that they don't understand. And it's just not talked about very much.

[01:38:18] It's known more in Eastern, but that you walk into a consciousness field, and you have a thought. It may not be your thought. It may not be your feeling, but you're acting on it as though it is. So I would love to see that education out there, and I'd love to be part of that and getting that out into the world. The understanding of consciousness fields and to find that instrument that measures them finally, because it's there. It's going to come. And have science.

[01:38:46] Luke: Like something empirical measurement. Yeah, yeah.

[01:38:50] Clayten: Mm-hmm.

[01:38:51] Jeffrey: GDV camera--

[01:38:52] Luke: God, can you imagine the impact on the world when that happens?

[01:38:57] Jeffrey: Wow.

[01:38:59] Luke: That's the thing. With Hawkins' work, it was so frustrating, I'm sure, to him even more so. But to me it's like, dude, our whole problem as a species is our lack of ability to discern truth from falsehood. Period. That's the problem. We're fucking stupid. The brain, it doesn't have an aptitude for telling what's true and what's not.

[01:39:22] So we fall for what's not, whether it's communism or God knows what else. But after being in his work for so long that, that's why it's so frustrating I haven't learned kinesiology, because I'm like, "Dude, the whole thing is right here. It's just waiting for some discipline to learn how to use it.

[01:39:38] So that would be freaking incredible. Oh, yeah, let me just put on my meter here. Oh no, this house sucks. Next. Or this person, this relationship, this job, this company, this product I want to buy. It's like, imagine if that was a scalable and reliable beyond just someone that really learns how to use muscle testing.

[01:39:58] Jeffrey: Well, Clayten's testing on the world, which it's go-to. Gives me hope that there's evolution happening and just the acceptance of technologies like FLFE now compared to 11 years ago when we started. It was a slog. And personal experience, but more and more people have personal experience of reiki, of non-linear technologies that they know works because they're experiencing it.

[01:40:30] So for that to move more and more into the mainstream science, that's what I see for the future. And I think we're going there. And to have FLFE in every home, love to see it, to expand that and technologies like it that do good in the world, that the science is there that everybody can see and say, "Oh, yeah. Okay, I want that."

[01:40:55] Luke: Can you guys see on the backend how many people have applied the service to the White House? Do people do that?

[01:41:03] Clayten: Oh, yeah.

[01:41:03] Jeffrey: They can, yes.

[01:41:04] Luke: I've thought about that. I'm like, do it to the local police station, the courthouse. I think where any government institutions are housed, I'm like, blast them. Schools, right?

[01:41:13] Jeffrey: Yeah. We recommend local. Go local. Because everybody has done this [Inaudible].

[01:41:17] Luke: Yeah. Imagine if all the US indoctrination centers, I mean universities were of high consciousness. Have you calibrated the universities lately? Oh, God. Seems like in locations where there's-- and UT Austin would not be an exception to this. It seems like wherever there's a university, you have this mind virus of just insanity that bubbles out of that particular location.

[01:41:46] Clayten: We haven't mentioned our pay-it-forward yet. And just before I do the calibration--

[01:41:50] Luke: Oh, cool.

[01:41:50] Clayten: So if you a subscription for a month even, you get a pay-it-forward, that leaves the technology at 500. It doesn't necessarily mean the property will go to 500. Yeah, it goes on properties only. And our commitment is to have that be a gift to that property that you give, that you choose, for as long as Jeff and I are alive. So that could be decades.

[01:42:14] Luke: Wow.

[01:42:15] Clayten: You get that just after even one month of subscribing.

[01:42:18] Luke: Epic.

[01:42:19] Clayten: Yeah. You can apply it to your local police station or whatever you want.

[01:42:23] Luke: Right. Somewhere where you feel is going to be around at least if not longer than you guys.

[01:42:28] Clayten: Hadn't thought about it that way.

[01:42:30] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[01:42:31] Clayten: Oh, yeah. Good one.

[01:42:34] Luke: That's cool. That's great, man. I like that.

[01:42:36] Clayten: Yeah. We got tens and tens of thousands of those around the planet.

[01:42:38] Luke: Wow, that's so cool.

[01:42:41] Clayten: And that's why we started the business, because we only could do so much on our own. Now we got 80 countries. We got almost 50 people on payroll. We actually just started building, Luke.

[01:42:50] Luke: Holy crap, dude. That's a lot of people.

[01:42:53] Clayten: Yeah.

[01:42:54] Luke: What are they doing?

[01:42:55] Clayten: Come up and see it.

[01:42:56] Jeffrey: Talking to customers all over the world.

[01:42:57] Luke: Oh, okay. I'm like, "Holy crap, dude."

[01:42:58] Clayten: They're not all full time, but we got accounting, and we got human resources. We got the research department, and we just bought a three-story building. We're on 10,000 square feet upstairs. We got, I think it's 8,000 on the middle. And then we got a parking garage down below.

[01:43:19] Luke: So cool.

[01:43:20] Clayten: Yeah.

[01:43:20] Luke: Congratulations.

[01:43:21] Clayten: Yeah.

[01:43:22] Luke: I love it. That's a lot of people though, man. Like, wow, I had no idea.

[01:43:27] Clayten: Part-time cleaner. It adds up. Yeah.

[01:43:29] Luke: Yeah.

[01:43:29] Jeffrey: Yeah, the majority are talking to customers

[01:43:32] Clayten: Yeah, talking to customers.

[01:43:33] Jeffrey: We talk to every free trial, if we can, and we talk to customers on a regular basis because they're going through change. They're rising pieces of them or healing, and they want to talk to somebody about it. Or they just need to change your credit card.

[01:43:51] Luke: Right. No, that's cool though man because I don't even think of calling companies because I just don't like talking on the phone in general, but also, I just think no one's ever going to answer.

[01:44:01] Clayten: I know.

[01:44:02] Luke: We live in this world of automated customer service. And I'm sure I'm not alone in the frustration of like, I'm not going to bother trying to call the 800 number for whoever, because I'm just going to be talking to some bot.

[01:44:13] And it's funny, sometimes I'll hear Alyson yelling. She's super chill, and I'm like, "What's going on?" And she'd be like, "Press nine, operator, operator." Super pissed off. She's caught in one of those loops. I relate.

[01:44:29] But yeah, that's cool. You guys actually have caring humans that are knowledgeable on the other end to be there for people because, like Jeff said, this is the kind of thing that can elicit change that people might not know what to do with or what to expect, especially if they're new to this. You have people that have never done reiki or meditated or done any of this kind of stuff and all of a sudden they're like, "What is happening here? Things are getting weird."

[01:44:55] Jeffrey: And we have a great team. They're all on the path themselves in some way in different ways, and they get connected up with different customers. We have people from all over the world on the staff too. We have a Japanese woman. We've got Lithuanian. We had German, Sweden. So people come from all over the world to Nelson because the Kootenays just seem to be a mixing pot of people coming to ski or to hike or to do whatever they do. It's such a beautiful spot we have just an incredible staff.

[01:45:36] Luke: Wow. Cool, man.

[01:45:37] Jeffrey: Call in some time. You'd be amazed.

[01:45:39] Luke: Cool. It's funny. I don't call anyone. I don't even call my best friends. Sorry, friends.

[01:45:45] Clayten: Come and visit. Better yet, come and visit.

[01:45:47] Luke: I'd love to, man. I love the mountains in the summer. There's nothing that beats that. And you guys have good water there. Sold.

[01:45:56] Clayten: Mm-hmm.

[01:45:57] Luke: Are there any springs you can go drink from?

[01:45:59] Clayten: Oh, yeah, yeah.

[01:46:00] Luke: Sold. I'm in.

[01:46:02] Clayten: Yeah.

[01:46:02] Jeffrey: Hot springs.

[01:46:03] Clayten: Yeah.

[01:46:03] Luke: You got hot springs too?

[01:46:05] Clayten: Oh, yeah.

[01:46:05] Luke: Oh, now I'm triple in.

[01:46:06] Clayten: Yeah. And we have off-the-grid hot springs. We have off the grid hot springs with no chlorine, and there's a hot spring called Halcyon. And beyond that, there's a bunch of private houses that have own water license, and it has the most lithium in it of any natural hot springs in the world, any commercial hot springs in the world.

[01:46:27] Luke: What? Really?

[01:46:27] Clayten: Yeah. It's like you get blissed out.

[01:46:29] Luke: Yeah, yeah.

[01:46:30] Clayten: You're like, whoa.

[01:46:31] Luke: I've experienced that. There's one in Colorado that's really high in lithium, and I thought it was like, eh, just the marketing on their sign. And then I go soak and, no, it works. You feel happy afterward.

[01:46:42] Clayten: You feel happy.

[01:46:43] Luke: That's cool.

[01:46:44] Clayten: So the world. I think on our website, do we have that 3000-year history level of consciousness? We have a chart on our website if you ever want to go see it. It's got a history of the world 3,000 years of level of consciousness. Let's just talk about maybe the last five or six years to put the current timeframe into perspective.

[01:47:02] So 2019, the last quarter of 2019 was the highest consciousness time on the planet so far. That's the whole planet. In times in the past, there's been little pockets of places-- people talk about Atlantis and [Inaudible] places. We have quite a very high level of consciousness in a small area, and we haven't done a ton of that research, but I did some on  Guatapé Lake once.

[01:47:31] It's like, wow, they had something there. Yeah, so it was about in the 240s in 2019 in the fall. The lowest month we've had since the dark ages, like the Inquisition was April, 2020, which was 100 on the planet.

[01:47:52] Luke: Whoa.

[01:47:52] Clayten: So a 100's fear on the Hawkins' map for people that don't know, 250 is about neutral. 200's integrity. So the world came up, it went over 200, and we have this. We have it on. Like you have the January 6th event, and you have Ukraine war starting. And so the world, since the Ukraine war started, it's been below 200.

[01:48:15] We went up above 200 and came down below. The world is at 199. It's been there for quite a while. So we're right on the edge of over 200. And I think that if they can find a solution for the Ukraine and Russia, the world will probably go over 200 again.

[01:48:33] Luke: When you speak to that 2019, I can't help but think in the realm of duality, you have light, and then you have the absence of light that many people refer to as the dark, dark energy, just nefarious people that we've unfortunately put into power.

[01:48:54] I feel like a lot of that darkness and that authoritarian kind of energy that emerged, my personal feeling is it's a reaction to the level of consciousness of the planet going up and that there's just too many people awakening, and they're grasping in their parasitic way to just last gasp be power and control of the people because of the internet and communication and just the way that we share ideas now has-- like a wildfire that they can't control.

[01:49:27] It is like their jig is up, kind of. People are seeing through the veil, that we've been misled about so many elements of reality and history and all the things. Seems to me they sensed that or somehow knew that and were like, "No, no, no. We got to put kibosh on this. Let's roll out a fake disease."

[01:49:48] And I didn't put that together completely at that time until you just said, "Wow, 2019, we're rocking. Then all of a sudden, boom, got the legs knocked out from under us." It seems like apt timing for that to happen, that maybe it was reactionary. Or maybe it's just part of the natural cycles of that duality, the way the scale swing back and forth at different times, and maybe there's not a lot behind it.

[01:50:13] Clayten: For all you budding kinesiologists out there, if you write down your theory about what Luke is talking about, you can test the level of conscious of that.

[01:50:22] Luke: Right.

[01:50:23] Clayten: So I won't talk to that, but I will talk to-- in Hawkins' Map, and this is something that's-- I got this after about 3 million calibrations. So there's a concept called breakdown breakthrough. Every 50 points in the Hawkins map, there's another base camp, if you will.

[01:50:43] If you imagine 1,000 is Everest, every 50 points is a base camp. And oftentimes, to get to 250 as a planet, because we were in the 240s, there's lessons you have to learn to get to 250. And so you have a breakdown so you get the experience of having to try to struggle with that lesson to learn it to go to 250.

[01:51:06] So if you're doing people's assessment, you'll see people in different parts of their life. They'll have a whole bunch of levels at a 50-point integer, we call it. Say personal development, health, sexuality, career, life work, all those areas, and they've got six or seven out of 10 at a 50-point integer, they're often ready to go to the next level because there's a lot of tension.

[01:51:27] So I think part of what happened in the fall of 2019 is humanity needed to learn a lesson go to the next level. And for whatever reason that happened, if we were a more evolved planet, I think we would've handled it in a more evolved way. So that's one way to look at it.

[01:51:52] Luke: Yeah, yeah, that tracks.

[01:51:54] Clayten: You want to talk about some of the other numbers?

[01:51:57] Jeffrey: US would be great.

[01:51:57] Clayten: Well, the US, it has gone way up, way up. A year ago, it was 320, for example, let's say over the previous month. Now it's 470. That people are like, "What's happening with the US?" It's like, people could go and steal stuff in certain areas. If it's less than 1,000-- was it $900 or 1,000? They wouldn't convict them. So there's the rule of law.

[01:52:29] Luke: Controlled demolition of the legal system.

[01:52:32] Clayten: I'm not saying-- I'm not trying to get--

[01:52:33] Luke: I'm saying that. You don't have to take ownership of that.

[01:52:36] Clayten: Yeah.

[01:52:37] Luke: There's no way that the system could be that dumb. It has to be intentional. That's my perspective.

[01:52:44] Clayten: Yeah.

[01:52:44] Luke: Anyway, it doesn't matter. It is what it is.

[01:52:48] Clayten: Rule of law is in the 400s, reason, no legal standards accounting. It's all in the four hundreds. You have professional standards you have to adhere to that are vetted and agreed upon by a professional society.

[01:52:59] And so now you have people that are in the country illegally being moved out of the country, and you have borders that don't allow people in illegally. Now, immigration has been in the US and Canada, part of the foundation of how our countries were created, right?

[01:53:17] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm.

[01:53:18] Clayten: And it was legal. And so when you have legal immigration, it's different than illegal immigration. If it's legal, you get to vet people and check their backgrounds and see if they have something to contribute. And if it's illegal, it's just people are just coming in.

[01:53:36] So I'm not saying I agree with everything about the current administration. I'm not making any positions about that. But when you don't have rule of law, you have lower consciousness places. Anarchy is fine unless the anarchists are coming after you. So you have legal immigration. The borders are now stopping people from coming through.

[01:53:59] There's always some back and forth. So there's just things like that that when you look at a society, when you have lot of unlawful and unreasonable things happening. Why are we entitled to go in and steal the product of someone else's labor in a store and not have a consequence?

[01:54:18] If someone's not getting paid the way the current society works, how can people to produce things? There needs to be an exchange, and there probably always should be an exchange of energy anyway. If we're wealthy enough, we can be generous and give, but there usually needs to be an exchange for the whole system to keep working. So that's a breakdown of a system. And so these are--

[01:54:40] Luke: Absolutely. And what is natural law, but a set of principles. And so if we're not adhering to just fundamental natural laws, like, don't infringe on another person's rights, don't take their stuff, don't defraud them, don't physically harm them or their property. It's just basic natural law or common law principles, and that's what successful cultures have been built upon in some way.

[01:55:06] So it makes sense that if you stop following those laws and rules, the consciousness is going to go down. And the only way it's going to go up is if people start following those laws again, right?

[01:55:17] Clayten: Yeah. I like the way you framed it as a natural law versus a human made law because the natural laws support life. If you have a country-- and there's debate out there if borders are necessary. But if you have a country and people want to come there because it's a good place to live, then wouldn't it be interesting to vet those people and see if they have something to contribute and add to your country?

[01:55:41] If they're coming into your country and committing crimes, multiple crimes, and just get-- in Canada, Vancouver, I got my stats right. I'm going to say there's 40 people in Vancouver-- it might be 60. I can't remember. They've gotten arrested 300 times in the previous year. Now, it's hard to believe, but it's true.

[01:56:04] So they get arrested almost every day. It's like those people are probably mentally ill. I don't know. But it's like, are you creating a better world by having people get arrested 300 times in a year, committing all kinds of crime in the city, smashing into people's cars, breaking into the homes to get stuff so they can-- most of them are drug addicts. Get the people some help. The cost to society, it'd be far better to support them to try to get clean.

[01:56:32] Luke: Oh, man. Speaking as someone who had mental health and addiction problems, I can validate that.

[01:56:40] Clayten: Yeah. So is there anything you want to talk about in terms of the principles of that, Jeff?

[01:56:45] Jeffrey: Well, it'd be interesting to talk about where the US has been. Is this the highest that it's been?

[01:56:50] Clayten: Yeah.

[01:56:51] Luke: Ever as far as the testing goes?

[01:56:56] Clayten: That have ever been tested.

[01:56:56] Luke: That's crazy.

[01:56:57] Clayten: Yeah.

[01:56:59] Luke: What about leaders? Preface this by saying I don't think any of us are biased. I don't think any of us are particularly political, but I'm sure people are curious about Donald Trump, Elon Musk, even Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. Have you spent any time recently seeing where any of those people are?

[01:57:22] Clayten: I talked to a couple of things you can calibrate when you get good kinesiology. So you obviously can test people's level of consciousness. But one of the things that's really interesting to explore is testing the level of consciousness of their intent towards humanity. Are they pro-human?

[01:57:42] Luke: Right.

[01:57:44] Clayten: Now, that might seem like self-evident.

[01:57:47] Luke: I can think of a few people in positions of power that are very clearly anti-human.

[01:57:52] Clayten: They're anti-human. They see humans as parasites on the earth, and it's like, yes, let's show the earth respect, of course. Let's live within our means as a race in terms of money and impact on the environment. Humans are part of nature. We are part of the evolution of the planet.

[01:58:16] And if you are wanting to create a world where you don't love humanity, how is that going to affect the views you have of everything else? Like, yeah, we know we're in this transition now going from fossil fuels to different types of energy, and I think that's a great thing to do. And it's going to take a certain amount of time.

[01:58:45] There's an evolution in just even the grid that can handle the inputs and the reliability. We have solar now. We have solar and batteries that creates more resilience and more-- yeah, resilience in the grid, I suppose. Microgrids are becoming a big thing.

[01:59:00] I just use the energy example as a way of looking at how do we support humanity to evolve as we transition instead of-- really, it affects poor people the most when you have extraordinarily high energy costs. And people can make arguments either way against this, but I'm just trying to give you an example of people to get together in unelected groups, fly their private jets to small towns, and tell the rest of the world--

[01:59:31] Luke: Small towns like Davos.

[01:59:34] Clayten: And the rest of the world has to reduce their carbon footprint.

[01:59:37] Luke: Yeah.

[01:59:38] Jeffrey: And what's the level conscious of intent of their promotion of that, which is probably very low.

[01:59:48] Luke: Could you have a character like-- I'm trying to think of the comic book Supervillains, like a George Soros or a Klaus Schwab. Could someone like that as a whole, on average, calibrate over 200, like 201 even? Like they're of integrity, but their intent for humanity is below 200? In other words, they are anti-life, anti-human. What's the nuance there in terms of if we wanted to determine in a very crude way, like, good guy, bad guy?

[02:00:19] Clayten: Right.

[02:00:20] Luke: What's the determining factor? Is it just their overall 200, or does their intent really play into that? Because when I look at someone like Donald Trump, I think a few years ago I asked you and you were like, "Ah, he is 400 or something." And I'm like, "This guy's like a bull in the China shop, man." It's like he seems to have no decorum, and obviously, he is very sort of crude and insults people. He is like a child, very ego-driven.

[02:00:45] But then again, some of his ideas make sense on the logical level more so than some of the other people that he's supposedly competing with for those positions of power. And I think you said that his intent at that time was over 200. He really does care about the country and wants to do well.

[02:01:01] Does that mean he's doing a good job or is going to succeed at that? We don't know. But his care for the populace of the country was, according to your testing, above board.

[02:01:15] Jeffrey: I would say the really dangerous ones are above 200. They mean well, but their intent towards humanity is low. So they think it's a good idea to--

[02:01:29] Luke: Depopulate the planet.

[02:01:35] Jeffrey: Right. Take 90% out.

[02:01:36] Luke: Like a Bill Gates. I look at someone like that and I go, "Clearly an intelligent person, and on the surface appears to really care about people and the planet and all of that, but makes choices and creates initiatives and backs initiatives that are deleterious to what he claims to support.

[02:01:55] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[02:01:56] Clayten: And your intent towards humanity can be loving, but you have a misperception that you need to depopulate the planet to help humanity.

[02:02:04] Luke: Oh.

[02:02:05] Clayten: So we don't usually talk much about this.

[02:02:09] Luke: I'm sure you don't.

[02:02:09] Clayten: Just because our mission is--

[02:02:11] Luke: That's why I put it at the end. We lost a lot of people already probably by this point that aren't really invested in the conversation.

[02:02:18] Clayten: Yeah. Our intent is to raise level of consciousness of the planet, if you want to say, or create the optimal conditions. There's a always a law of non-interference. And there's people that know far more than us about the deleterious effects and the negative things that are on the planet, but we have our ways of assessing things, but it's just not our focus.

[02:02:37] There's just people that are way better at it than us. And I've seen a lot of good people, at least for a part of their time, when they start studying this and revealing it and discussing it and trying to counter it through education, they become bitter, angry, and disturbed for a while. Some of them never grow out of it. Some of them do. So this is an area where I can just feel this vibrating tension in my body because it's hard to see people have that kind of intent towards the human family.

[02:03:12] And yeah, I get charged on it. I'm really having to bite my tongue because there's things that I don't think will be helpful if I say, because I think I should rationalize and justify it. Then I have to go into all ways I do that, and it's just not my thing. There's enough people doing that. It's just our mission. When we pray, what would you have us do, Lord?

[02:03:37] Luke: I've had certain guests that have assumed that role in life. Like Alex Jones sat where you guys are sitting, and he has no problem staying in the darkness to expose it.

[02:03:47] Clayten: But he's right so often. People are like, "He is right 90% of the time."

[02:03:53] Luke: It's crazy. That's why I had him on the show.

[02:03:55] Clayten: It's almost a sixth sense he's got for what's going to happen.

[02:03:58] Luke: Yeah.

[02:03:58] Clayten: And he'll explain to it. And it's like there's all the logic and then something else happens. That guy's right a lot.

[02:04:03] Luke: Back in the day, when I first found Alex Jones and David Ike and all those people, I think I'd listen to his radio show back in the day and watch some of his DVDs. And to me it was just entertaining because I was like, "Ah, this guy's so far out." It was just like, whoa. It's just interesting.

[02:04:20] I had no idea that 25 years later, shit he was talking about that sounded insane, not all of it came true, but quite a lot of it more so than I'm sure he or I would prefer. But yeah, I think you're right. There are people who have chosen that lane, and they're on the front lines exposing the darkness, and they play their role.

[02:04:41] It's not a role that I would be best served in because I think I'm too sensitive. I'll start getting a very dark outlook on the world, and it won't be supportive to my quality of life. But I do like to get a sense of what's going on-- I think it's just human nature-- without getting swallowed by it.

[02:04:59] So can you tell us, it doesn't have to be your opinion, is Donald Trump over 200 right now? Have you looked lately?

[02:05:09] Clayten: Yeah. So if you're doing an assessment on somebody, you do an overall level of consciousness. And then you do their level of conscious in different parts of their life. And you write a definition out for those parts because truth is always in a context. So you have a definition. And so he loves America. His intent towards America is over 500, and his intent towards humanity is integris.

[02:05:33] Luke: Wow.

[02:05:35] Clayten: In spite of whether you like him or not, he is pro-human. Elon Musk is, we'll say, very pro-human. His intent is really quite high, extraordinarily high in spite of what you might think of him. He does want to help humanity. Those are a couple of examples.

[02:05:57] And you can measure people's emotional age in different parts of life and overall. We all struggle with growing up. We all struggle with growing up. There's some parts of our life where we just don't do so well.

[02:06:12] Luke: Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. I've been a slow learner in a couple of really important categories.

[02:06:16] Clayten: We can be really resourced in our career. We we're crushing it. We're doing well, and we're really professional, and we manage tension really well and conflict. But maybe in our relationships, we don't do so well in personal relationships, or we don't do so well socially.

[02:06:32] Maybe we're great socially. We're fun to have at a party. People love to be around us. We understand the dynamics of social interaction and compassion for the awkwardness that most of us feel in a new environment, but we're not great in our health.

[02:06:48] So when we see people in the media and they're getting attacked all the time, the first thing I want to do is think of like, how would I handle that? It takes a certain type of thick skin to go into politics and handle that. And so maybe he's the right man for the job for a certain period of time. I didn't like what was happening in Canada. I did not like it. I don't know what you thought of what Joe Biden was doing.

[02:07:14] Jeffrey: Or not doing.

[02:07:15] Clayten: Or not doing.

[02:07:16] Luke: Whoever was pulling the puppet strings on that person.

[02:07:19] Clayten: I'm not trying to avoid your question. I'm just trying to find--

[02:07:22] Luke: No. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[02:07:23] Clayten: Yeah, I'm not.

[02:07:23] Luke: The context is everything. They're at the highest level where even we go beyond the good guy, bad guy. Everyone's kind of playing their role. I've seen the divine orchestration at different times in my life.

[02:07:38] Even working with my resentment toward certain people in positions of power and come out of that experience, and going, "Actually, they're playing their role perfectly." We need them. They're a catalyst. When somebody succumbs to the temptation of darkness and evil, they're necessary in order to bring out the bravery in people who are here for good.

[02:08:02] It's like everyone's playing their role. It doesn't mean I give them a pass or anything like that. But I don't think living with hatred is a powerful position. It's like acknowledge, wow, I don't want whatever that person has to sell or offer over there. So what am I going to do to counter that? Is to create more light over here and amplify what I do want to see in the world.

[02:08:26] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm.

[02:08:26] Luke: But it is a curiosity. You can help but wonder sometimes. Elon Musk is one for me that's a real enigma because he's blatantly deceptive about the things he claims to be doing in space, like sending a car into space. It's totally fake, and he sticks to that. No, this is real. This happened. This is true.

[02:08:48] In my life, I would never be able to live with a lie, especially a lie that big and lying to hundreds of millions of people that listen to what I say. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Therefore, for me, that would mean I would be so far out of integrity. It's unimaginable to do that.

[02:09:08] So I see him, and I superimposed myself into him. I go, "That would mean to me that I'm evil." So I think, well, he's evil, but he probably has intentions behind that that are positive, even though he's lying technically, in my opinion, and the opinion of many thinking people with two eyes and a brain in their skull. Even though he's being deceptive and lying, ultimately his intention could still be positive.

[02:09:35] So it gets very nuanced. That's where we have to walk away and go, hey, I don't know. None of us know. It doesn't even matter if you're great at kinesiology, man. There's so many things going on that we could never explain. We won't know until hindsight shows us what somebody was really up to and what the purpose of their actions was. God damn, what a fun conversation, you guys.

[02:09:58] Clayten: Yeah, I didn't want to take that over because I typically talk a lot about kinesiology and do lots of research and spend too much time in front of a screen.

[02:10:05] Luke: If I could do it, that's all I'd be doing, dude.

[02:10:09] Clayten: It can be habit for me, we'll put it that way. Is there anything you want to say about all that, Jeff? I didn't want to take that all over.

[02:10:14] Jeffrey: No, it's great. It's a great discussion.

[02:10:17] Clayten: Yeah.

[02:10:18] Jeffrey: And intent is really a good way to look at it, because it's the ones that seem like they're good people, but their intent is taking us down the wrong path.

[02:10:33] Luke: Yeah. That's true in law. The definition and the assessment of a crime has a lot to do with intent. Because you can commit a crime, you could harm someone, but if your intent wasn't to do so, it changes the nature of that accusation. Many people have positive intentions that are very misguided.

[02:10:54] That doesn't make them wrong, as in morally wrong. It just means they were mistaken. So I think it's great. What a great conversation. It was everything I had hoped it would be and more. So great to be able to sit down again with you guys in the flesh. Thank you for what you're doing in the world with FLFE.

[02:11:09] I'm so grateful to know you and so grateful that I discovered you, and also to have the ability to share you with a few thousand people now. So before we close out, you guys, again, you can go to the show notes to get links to everything we talked about. That's lukestorey.com/lifeforce.

[02:11:25] If you want to check out the FLFE world, go to lukestorey.com/flfe. And I encourage everyone to do that 15 day trial. Just open mind, open heart, no strings attached. See what you feel. And maybe try it without telling the people you live with and see if you notice any change in them. If you're someone who's like, I don't know if I really feel stuff like that, observe other people. See what you notice. Your pets, your kids, and so on.

[02:11:51] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm.

[02:11:51] Luke: My little brother, I don't even think he knows, but I put it on his house. He has two young kids. I should turn it off and be like, "Hey, are your kids acting freaky this week?" To me it's like, even the EMF element, if that was all that was happening, to me it would be a win.

[02:12:10] But there's obviously so much more that your customers are feeling, so it's super cool, super exciting, and really pumped for the innovations in the next development. So keep us posted.

[02:12:20] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm.

[02:12:20] Clayten: Yeah.

[02:12:22] Luke: All right.