[00:00:01] Luke: All right, Morgan, I am so stoked to be chatting with you today, even more so because we're in a freaking Geoship. So I'm fanboying out here big time because I've been stalking your website and social media for, I don't know, three years or something. You've been live online that long, at least, right?

[00:00:23] Morgan: About that, yeah. Actually more, like five years.

[00:00:25] Luke: Okay. So it's been a few years and I'm just like tracking it. I'm tracking it. I'm like, "When is this happening?" And we'll get into how long it takes to do something of this scope. But I am someone, I've talked about this on the podcast many times, I think for my entire life, I have just had some visceral awareness that spending our entire lives in square boxes is antithetical to our nature

[00:00:56] You just don't see right angles in nature. Maybe every once in a while, a crystal or something like that, but there's no boxes anywhere in our natural world yet for a number of reasons, probably just ease of engineering and building and economics, we've decided to begin our life in a box called a hospital room, in a bigger box called a hospital itself. Maybe you're put in an incubator, another box, and you're put in a crib, which is another box.

[00:01:27] You ride home in mom and dad's car. It's another box, etc. School. Our entire lives we're living in this strange, energetic confinement. And so I've always really been attracted to buildings that just to have a natural flow, whether it's earthships in New Mexico or the '70s, wooden geodesic domes. Anything other than the boxes.

[00:01:53] Morgan: Mm-hmm.

[00:01:55] Luke: We were chatting the other day when we met, even in Los Angeles where I spent most of my life, there's a lot of Mediterranean Spanish style buildings, where on the outside, they're kind of a box, but inside you'll at least have arched doorways and some arched windows. And there are curves at least in different parts of the home.

[00:02:14] And even that feels better than being in a straight up box. And so that's my preface to just say like, "Dude, well done." I'm so excited to learn how all this came to be, where it is, where it's going, and share in the vision of a new earth where people have healthy, biocompatible, affordable housing.

[00:02:45] If you're someone who has a pension for aesthetics and you want a really beautiful home-- even housing is not affordable to so many people, but if you want a really beautiful home, it's only affordable to a very small percentage of the population. So even if you work your ass off and you buy a home, a tract home for $300,000 or $400,000, it's still going to be a piece of shit. You know what I mean?

[00:03:14] It's not going to look great. It's going to be cheap building materials. It's not going to last, and it's not going to feel or look that great as happy as one might be to own their own home. So I'm all in on this mission, and I think a good place to start would be your time living on a boat, which is really interesting to me.

[00:03:3] Morgan: Yeah, thanks. I ended up on a boat because I really wanted to build just a small home in nature and teach myself to be an artist. I had an experience in my mid-20s that made me feel like nothing else matters, but some long meditation retreats and just like connection to the natural world.

[00:04:00] So that was my focus, and buying land and building like a cob home or some kind of natural building was not quite attainable and a lot of work, and I still wanted to travel. So I ended up restoring a classic wooden sailboat in a barn for a year.

[00:04:18] Then launching that and basically having a regenerative home in nature. The boat is beautiful that way because there's just these moments of the sails are just right and the wind and the waves, and you just feel like really in tune with the natural world. You have a home you can cruise in.

[00:04:39] Luke: It's funny because I've never thought of living at sea as off grid, but it's like you can't be anymore off grid than floating around in a massive body of water. That takes a special kind of person. I don't think many people-- as much as were like, "Oh, I love nature and I love being outdoors," it's like that's a whole other level of commitment.

[00:05:03] Morgan: Yeah. I think a lot of it came from a really strong determination to not participate in a society and civilization that was like structural violence and just didn't align with my values. So it was really that feeling of like exit.

[00:05:23] Luke: Did you have any hairball, life-threatening experiences out there?

[00:05:27] Morgan: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. Right off the bat, we left out of Port Townsend, which is up in Washington. So we were about 300 miles offshore, all the way down to San Francisco. Just one big tack. We left too late in the year. It was just my brother and I.

[00:05:50] Neither one of us had really sailed that much before. We've restored the boat ourselves in a barn. It was an old wooden boat, so it's getting hammered and you're like, is it going to hold up? There were no stars. There was no moon. It was just wind and waves for four days or so, and that's all you can do to stare at the little red light on the compass and be like, "Wake up, wake up. Take the wheel." Very treacherous.

[00:06:21] Luke: Do you get seasick?

[00:06:24] Morgan: Not really. No because you're living on it long enough and--

[00:06:27] Luke: So you acclimate to it?

[00:06:29] Morgan: Yeah, yeah.

[00:06:29] Luke: Yeah. There's a number of fears I would have about spending extended periods of time on the sea with the main one is being seasick. That's one of the worst feelings a human can feel. That happened once. I was on a deep sea fishing kind of thing out of Mexico when I was a kid, and I learned very quickly that you can't turn around when you're on a chartered boat.

[00:06:56] You can't be the one guy that's like, "Yeah, I'm not really into this." It's like once you're in, you're in. And you're not going back to the shore until everyone feels complete. And I was like, "Yeah, I'm never doing that again."

[00:07:07] Morgan: Yeah. That's the thing with sailing too. It's like when something goes wrong, there's no, I don't feel like it. It's either you do it or we're going to die. So you're totally in it and totally committed.

[00:07:19] Luke: And tell me about the samadhi-like experience you had that led up to that.

[00:07:25] Morgan: Yeah. I bought a one-way ticket to Bangkok when I was like 24, leaving the tech world and whatnot and ended up just meeting these two 70-year-old hippies in Jinghong, China. They had been cruising all around the world for 30 years or something, and one raised his kids with white horses and peacocks and kerosene lamps on the side of the volcano in Maui.

[00:07:59] They were going to get this, the top of the stupa that's now in Paia. So I got to tag along with these guys for a couple of months through Tibet, meeting all these rimpoches and whatnot that they had met multiple times because they'd been there a dozen times in the last 20 years.

[00:08:16] So that was the opening to basically transcendental experience. And so I started reading the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, and I think a year of travel during that time, and then after, through India and Nepal, and then in Europe. And I was laying on a beach in Portugal one morning and had some music that was like trans music, which I wasn't really listening to that electronic music at that point, but was on the headphones.

[00:08:48] I stood up and I was just like, felt levity, luminous, synchronicity. It was like walk across the street and the person would smile at the right time and the bird would fly down. It felt like a psychedelic experience, but there was no psychedelics, and it lasted for a day and a half.

[00:09:07] And it was like nothing else matters now except probing into that because almost like some level of anger at some level to be like, "Wow, how did I not know about this? How many people are operating in this way?" And so I started doing some long vipassana meditation and then work with the plant medicines and whatnot to explore that.

[00:09:32] Luke: Do you think that it was a culmination of being surrounded by those higher states of consciousness for a period of time that seeded something within you? Because it doesn't sound like you were on the beach doing some intensive breath work or-- it wasn't something that you forced or brought about. It seems to be just a natural--

[00:09:56] Morgan: Yeah. I think it was like the culmination of a year of seeking in a way. My whole life was just about following that thread of synchronicity and not necessarily having a plan and just allowing things to unfold. And then laying on a beach, you have light from all directions. You're connected to the earth. The natural conditions there, I think, is a lot of what we're aiming to recreate in the homes of the future. And yeah, I think it was just a combination of set and setting.

[00:10:34] Luke: Yeah. Those experiences are, I think, exceedingly rare, and oftentimes those that have them, if they choose to share what they've experienced, they tend to become the spiritual leaders of our time. You think of someone like Eckhart Tolle, whose story is, he is just normal guy having a less than fulfilling and inspiring life.

[00:11:00] And he is sitting on a bench and all of a sudden, poof, just gets hit out of the blue. And then the course of his life changes forever. And then the course of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people by now whose lives have also changed as reverberation of the experience he had. So it seems like in a parallel way, the changes that took place within you are now manifesting in a way that's going to impact so many more people.

[00:11:28] Morgan: Yeah. That's my dharma, I think, is to support society and creating the conditions to thin the veil between this, everyday reality that we experience and that unity consciousness or whatever we want to term it

[00:11:47] Luke: So after that point, when was the seed planted? When did you start to make the connection on the fact that we live in boxes and there might be other ways that we could live that would be more supportive to our vitality and harmony in general?

[00:12:06] Morgan: It was quite a bit later. There was another phase in my life that happened after that. Then I restored the wooden sailboat and five years or so into sailing around the Pacific, I was basically on John Perry Barlow, the founder of the Electronic Freedom Foundation. He's a lyricist for the Grateful Dead, said, "The information war has officially begun, and the battlefield is WikiLeaks, and you are the troops."

[00:12:37] And that whole time sailing, I was really fascinated with the I Ching, this ancient book of changes, 2,500 years old. You can ask these questions, and it gives you a fields of meaning or like, this is the situation that's most likely to happen on this path and this time. So I was using the I Ching a lot just because it seemed right, and it was just really fascinating.

[00:13:05] So I felt like freedom of information was really crucial. It was 2011. Julian Assange was America's Most Wanted man, and I just left my sailboat and bought a one-way ticket to London and knocked on the front door where he was on house arrest, and he ended up-- I just volunteered for WikiLeaks for a bit and then he introduced me to this woman in Iceland, [Inaudible]. And Iceland was such a interesting place at that time because their economy had just imploded overnight. The currency went down by 95%.

[00:13:44] Luke: Really? Wow, I didn't know that. So they had like a Argentina moment people walking down the street with shopping carts full of a hundred dollars bills that buy you a loaf of bread kind of thing?

[00:13:55] Morgan: That's why the IMF came in and tried to bail them out or offer them a bailout package, which basically would mean everybody's in debt for $80,000 each, for most of their life. And so they gather around parliament, 10% of the population, bang pots and pans for a week until they got a new political party in, and they have the oldest standing democracy in the world.

[00:14:20] It's 1,100 years old, the Icelandic parliament. And they got a new political party. It was called the Movement Party then. Now it's called the Pirate Party. But basically they were dedicated to using internet technology to crowdsource a revision to their constitution, to make Iceland the world safe haven for information and journalism, whistleblowers.

[00:14:43] So it was like this thing that they were doing that was for the future of humankind. It was evolutionary purpose. And because something like 70% of the people under 40 were aligned with this new political party, you could just feel that same feeling I felt on a beach in Portugal, felt on the streets in Reykjavik because people were fucking just really passionate about doing something that was for others.

[00:15:10] That evolutionary purpose. Once I realized the community relationships and our sense of purpose is also connected to that feeling as well as the physical environments, then Geo ship is a way to bring these things together.

[00:15:30] Luke: Interesting, interesting. Yeah, so the motive and the vision is much bigger than just each individual family having their own home. It's like the capacity to ease the friction to communal living in a way that's scalable, sustainable, where we could essentially just divorce ourselves from the matrix and do our own thing over here collectively. More of a collective vision.

[00:16:05] Morgan: Yeah. And communal, people have a lot of different interpretations of what that means. And I think it's a huge spectrum from like a kibbutz where everybody's pulling their resources and really in community versus the typical neighborhoods of today. And there's this whole spectrum in between.

[00:16:27] And that's where we want to really create a platform so that people can come together in a digital space, align on what their shared purpose is, and participate in the design of their village and build villages that have certain features that support community relationships. And there's a lot of things you can do in the built environment to just support coming together.

[00:16:52] Luke: One thing that's interesting too is that I think there is probably a certain ethos and texture to the type of person who would be attracted to the Geo ship domes and the model. Whereas like if you just move into a fabricated tract home neighborhood, like no one there has any alignment that's based on their choice to live in that particular tract.

[00:17:25] It's like, oh, it's a new housing tract down the road and it's affordable and they have nice lawns. It's like there's nothing that's drawing a particular demographic to that. And so you have diversity, but diversity to a fault because there's no unifying ethos or principle there for people.

[00:17:45] So I would think built into what you're doing, there's going to be a certain frequency of person that's like, "Ooh, yeah, that sounds good to me. Even when I look at your website and there's some renderings of different communities and things, a guy like me looks at that and I'm like, "What am I doing? I got to get out of my neighborhood. I want to live there with some cool, like-minded people.

[00:18:09] So that communal living is much-- I don't know, I think that's a different idea than many people have when they apply negative connotations to a commune, where there's got to be a cult leader and some sort of buy-in indoctrination into a belief system or something like that.

[00:18:29] And then you have the obvious issues with the fact that power tends to attract people that are corruptible. And so throughout history from the '60s on, we see all these failed attempts at communal living because they seem to get corrupted by the fact that everyone is following a leader.

[00:18:53] There's a weird system of authority or manipulation and exploitation that's there. It seems like this will allow for more of an egalitarian setup. And you already have a baseline of people who are relatively on the same page.

[00:19:11] Morgan: Yeah. I think most people are on the same page about round peg and square peg. It's just not conventional. So we're going to do things differently. There's this little dome community that has existed in UC, Davis for 40 years on campus, and it's called like domies or something.

[00:19:33] And there's this little video and the guy's standing out on his porch with a cup of coffee in his underwear and he's like, "Yeah, we like it here because we get to make up the rules and do things differently." And that's it. It's like we get to open a new paradigm of innovation in how we live and work.

[00:19:52] And by bringing people together in the digital space before the place is built, you start to be able to create something that is a legacy that you want to leave for future generations and is really integrated into the local ecosystems and regenerative, meaning positive to the ecosystems, positive to your health, positive to your community relationships. And get beyond housing as a commodity where you're just buying one to step into another.

[00:20:21] Luke: Right, right. Yeah, that's a really good point. Because I think the way most of us look at housing is from a survival standpoint. We don't think of building communities or building a home or buying a home as, hey, let's build this out into something bigger. You're like, "I just need to be safe from the elements and from bad characters out there."

[00:20:48] It's just like you want a place that has climate control and electricity and just the basic necessities. But the underlying motive really is survival. You're never really thinking about, oh, how could we integrate this into a new way of existing on the earth together in more of a cooperative sense?

[00:21:09] Even the neighborhood that I live in, all my neighbors are really nice and friendly, but no one hangs out because we're not similar enough to hang out. We have maybe some basic things in common, but I don't know. I chat with my neighbors when I walk the dog. We're not into the same stuff. I start talking about things and I can see them go, "This guy's weird."

[00:21:37] I talk about EMF or whatever, and they glaze over. I'm like, "Do you guys have a smart meter?" "Yeah, everything's smart in our house." I'm just like, oh God. Okay, that's the end of that thread. So I don't think of my neighborhood or my home as anything more than it's a safe place for my wife and I to build a life together. But it doesn't extend beyond our property line.

[00:22:00] Outside of that, it's the others. It's the otherness. And even though we're copacetic, I'm not motivated to try and build anything with them, essentially. And I'm sure the same would be true for them.

[00:22:15] Morgan: Yeah, I think today neighborhoods are built pretty much like they were for the last 100 years, where it's just developers and banks buy land and build houses and sell them to people. And people who are living there don't participate in the design of the neighborhood. And a lot of times not in the design of the home either.

[00:22:35] So when you can just bring more participation and more ownership and then also like remove a lot of the limitations that are traditionally placed on it, then it's really like-- and I think that the timing right now is so-- there's mass agreement that we need to do things differently. And if we don't participate and create this future, more beautiful world that we want for our kids and grandkids, then we're going to inherit the one that's created for us.

[00:23:08] Luke: Yeah. The commodification of survival based housing. And only the people who put some effort into it and are really savvy win. You might buy a family home, you sit on it for a number of years, you sell it. Maybe you had a little bit of a gain because you built some equity, but then because of inflation, it's not like you're going to really upgrade, because now when you're buying your next home, you're paying market price now based on inflation and the valuation of the home that you want to move "up" into has also gone up.

[00:23:47] I think about that. I'm like, "Oh, our house is worth X amount of dollars. If we wanted to move, I don't even know that we would get a nicer house than the one we have right now. You know what I mean? So it's like you're caught in this loop throughout the course of your life.

[00:24:01] Not to speak even of the generational impact and kind of the legacy element of it, but if you're just a person who kind of owns one home at a time, your quality of life is not necessarily going to improve unless you somehow crack the code on making way more money. You're just going to exist at a certain level of sustenance.

[00:24:22] Morgan: Yeah. And that's where I think when you bring people together first in the digital space, it also opens up this whole opportunity of network communities. We can explore new forms of currency and ways of financing and whatnot. So you might not just own the house.

[00:24:40] You might own the whole village that it's part of. You might own shares in the technology company that built the homes, and then you can transfer your equity from one village to another and have more mobility than ever and be able to travel around the world.

[00:24:56] Luke: Right. Oh, I'm getting ideas. Because I figured out at this point in life, I don't really like living in the same place all the time because no place is perfect all the time, especially Texas. God bless it. I love you, Texas. But man, there are times of the year there that it gets pretty monotonous and brutal.

[00:25:15] So I'm already visiting here in Nevada City. I'm like, "I'm in." I want to live here so bad. Got to negotiate with the wife about that, see what page she's on. But I also wouldn't want to be here in the winter. I'm not a snow guy. You get below 40, I'm out. So I'm already thinking, oh, cool.

[00:25:35] So if you have an online community of Geo ship, people that are all integrated, I'm thinking future now when these exist everywhere, you're like, cool. You like the snow? You come take our spot in January and February. We will be in your Costa Rica spot because you don't want to be there when it's hot or whatever.

[00:25:54] It's like this idea of nomadic living could be less brutal than the current, like, I got a backpack and I'm just going to wing it, staying in hostels. It's like you could actually live kind of comfortably in different places and have more mobility.

[00:26:09] Morgan: Yeah, and it's interesting the round home has been associated with nomadic living since-- the indigenous tribes and whatnot, a lot of times round homes, and they're moving. And I think this is part of the new paradigm coming, is like more mobility than ever and the ability to just transfer your equity from one place to another

[00:26:38] Luke: Yeah, it's epic.

[00:26:40] Morgan: It's like, own a home, but not feel like it's lock holding you down.

[00:26:45] Luke: Yeah, yeah. I have that feeling now. Loving it here so much. I'm like, "Okay, how would this work?" Because I like our home in Texas. I don't want to sell it. If you don't sell it, how do you get the money to get another one kind of thing? Which we're going to talk about the affordability of what you're doing. It's bananas.

[00:27:01] For those listening, we're going to put the show notes today at lukestorey.com/morgan. So any of the links or anything we drop will be found in your show notes. And I'm going to transition in a moment to the actual structures and the nuts and bolts of it. Even though there aren't nuts and bolts as far as I can tell.

[00:27:19] But the last thing on that communal living that I want to touch on is the fact that I don't think many people realize how difficult homesteading or living off grid is. Not that I've tried it because I can tell. It's a bitch. But I think many people these days are starting to look at alternative ways of living and want to move out of cities and things like that.

[00:27:43] But there's this, I think, a fantasy that I don't want to work 40 hours a week for some corporate job, so I'm going to take my family and we're going to go live somewhere remotely and just get some animals and raise our own food and have solar batteries, yada, yada. And then like just be chilling.

[00:28:05] I think that the reality of that is that if you are a, say a single family unit that wants to be self-sustaining, I think you're going to be working your ass off fixing fences. One of your goats gets sick. You know what I'm saying? Even just gardening, dude, is so much work.

[00:28:29] Again, I'm speaking of someone who's not tried any of this, but I'm very interested in the idea, so I observe other people's experience quite a lot. I think having a shared community, if you wanted to do, say a homestead thing and sustain your own way of life and grow your own food, yada, yada, you need people that specialize in different elements of that lifestyle coming together in a cooperative way.

[00:28:57] I suck at building. I'm not the guy that can fix anything. I don't know what I'm good at. Maybe running my mouth. I would not have that role and I wouldn't want to learn that role because it's not something I enjoy doing. So then well, who's going to do that? Hire someone-- you know what I mean-- from the outside?

[00:29:15] How about everyone in a community has their skillset and are doing work about which they are not only skilled, but also passionate? Where it's like takes a village thing. What's your take on the feasibility of living off-grid, homesteading, and so on, as a single family unit versus having multiple people come together?

[00:29:38] Morgan: Yeah. I think they both can be done. And a lot of times it doesn't feel like work. It's just what you do. You sweep your front deck as much as you get your hands in the earth and harvest the bounty for the season kind of thing and mend the fences.

[00:29:55] I think it can just feel like chop wood, carry water, like it's your life and practice. There's some of the village templates that we're working on actually here on this 100 acres that we're on now. It works out pretty well to have these little homesteads that might be two or three acres each.

[00:30:16] And then there's another one next to it. So you're having the homestead privacy experience. So it's not like communal living in that way, but there's another domestead next to you.

[00:30:27] Luke: Domestead. I like that. So when we think of communal living, it's like, oh. Say you don't vibe with everyone in your community. That's going to be an issue, right? You might meet someone and you vibe initially, and then you get to know their character in a deeper way, and maybe you're not in alignment.

[00:30:45] So when I think of communal living, it's like, oh, we have to go to the mess hall tonight where everyone eats together and things. Whereas what you're describing is like, cool, we could be together, but not that together. You guys are over there on your couple of acres. We got 100 acres to play with. It's like you're not stepping on each other's toes in that kind of setup.

[00:31:02] Morgan: Yeah. Like I said, there's a huge spectrum between today's neighborhood and a kibbutz, and there we can create this whole space in between and play with bits and pieces of each that works.

[00:31:20] Luke: Cool. So let's go into the actual Geo ship domes. I guess maybe we could start with the origins of Buckminster Fuller and when these started to gain popularity. What are some of the other versions people have tried or are currently doing? And then we'll get into how years are made and what makes them so unique.

[00:31:47] And for those listening, I highly encourage you to watch the video version of this because I'm going to get some B-roll from you. And so not only can you watch the conversation in here, where we're actually inside the model dome, but also just really see all aspects of what these things are like, because they're really incredible. So definitely, you guys want to check out the video version of this. So take me back to the inception of the dome idea as a place where you could domicile.

[00:32:22] Morgan: Yeah, totally. And just to clarify, this is like an engineering prototype. So the product that we're first going to market with is much bigger, two bedroom, two bath home. And so Buckminster Fuller, I think it was 1922 and his 4-year-old daughter died of polio and meningitis, I think it was.

[00:32:44] And he felt like it had a lot to do with the apartment, the damp apartment that he was living in, that he actually participated in building a decade before. And when his daughter passed, he got to a place in life where he was on the verge of suicide. He was actually like, walk out to the end of the dock and jump in the water.

[00:33:06] And he said a voice came in his head about that time and it said, "If the future of humanity depended on who you are and what you do, who would you be? What would you do? It's this like, what power do we have as the individual? And that led him to basically the home as a product. Completely transforming the housing industry by industrializing the home.

[00:33:34] So he invented this Dymaxion home, and the demonstration of it was like 1927. So it was about five years after he lost his daughter. And then he just devoted his entire life, his whole life-- he lived to be in mid-80s, and this was late '30s-- on how to transform the housing industry in a really similar way to what we're doing here with Geo ship.

[00:34:02] It's really the continuation of Buckminster Fuller's mission. He refined that mission statement about 20 years into it, where he was like to make the world work for 100% of humanity in the shortest possible time through spontaneous cooperation without ecological offense or the disadvantage of anyone.

[00:34:21] Luke: That's beautiful.

[00:34:22] Morgan: Yeah, taking that beautiful-- it's a regenerative mission statement, and we've put that into a perpetual purpose-driven trust that basically guides everything that Geo ship does, and it can never be changed. So really continuing that mission. The foundation of his approach was, one, to think from first principles.

[00:34:44] So really fundamentally with housing, it's like the materials, the geometry, the method of manufacturing is the real basics. He introduced the Dymaxion house in 1927, and 20 years later he invented the math that made the geodesic dome really possible, right? So how to industrialize the round building. And it happens to be this flower of life geometry that is so--

[00:35:16] Luke: That's crazy.

[00:35:17] Morgan: Connected to our--

[00:35:19] Luke: And for those that are not seeing the video, the interesting thing about the geodesic dome and its shape, obviously it's like a half circle, it seems to be made of triangles. So was that part of Bucky's math? Is that what brought the dome forward, was him figuring out that that's how you create the shape in a way that's very durable?

[00:38:47] Morgan: Yeah. We didn't have the math or the computer technology to figure out how to put these triangles together to make a dome before. If you think of just like, it's super easy to know how to stand up a wall and put something on top of it. It's like doesn't take geometry and math.

[00:39:11] Luke: I could probably build a small box. I put it that way. I can't build shit.

[00:39:15] Morgan: So Bucky introduced this whole, synergetic math that we could calculate the sizes of things and be able to build these.

[00:39:24] Luke: I'm assuming having the schematics based on math makes scalability in terms of size pretty easy. It's like more triangles makes a bigger dome kind of thing.

[00:39:35] Morgan: Basically there's frequencies of the geodesic that you can have basically more hexagons around each pentagon. There's five pentagons and one of the top on the dome. And so we can go up in frequency. It makes the triangles smaller and basically--

[00:39:56] Luke: Wow,

[00:39:57] Morgan: This whole-- and it's all based on the flower of life-- is the flower of life in 3D. If you just made a little arc around each of those lines that are the triangle there, it's flower of life.

[00:40:12] Luke: So if you flatten it out, it's the flower of life. Did he know that? Do you think?

[00:40:18] Morgan: He was inspired by snowflakes and seeing that geometry all throughout nature, and then they found out later right about-- Bucky knew that they found this out, but it was right toward the end of his life where they basically discovered the carbon-60 molecule that they named the Buckminsterfullerene.

[00:40:39] Luke: Yeah, yeah.

[00:40:40] Morgan: And just found that shape.

[00:40:41] Luke: I take a lot of that. Yeah, that's interesting. So it's like that is the fractal element of nature, where you have a tiny piece that's part of a greater whole and it just replicates itself over and over again.

[00:40:53] I love that. My wife just found a giant pine cone right after I was watching something about how life supporting fractal shapes are for us to just be with and to visually see. Then the next morning she's like, "I'm taking this giant pine cone home."

[00:41:12] I was like, "We're supposed to stare at that. It's really good for you." There's something about that when you see that in nature. The Fibonacci you see everywhere, in snails and everywhere else. There's something about us and inner knowing that we're attracted to that source code.

[00:41:28] Morgan: Yeah. There's studies that just show exposure to fractal geometry brings a feeling of relaxation. We're working with a organization called BioGeometry.

[00:41:49] Luke: Yeah, yeah.

[00:41:28] Morgan: Their whole--

[00:41:49] Luke: Dr. Karim.

[00:41:28] Morgan: Yeah. I think you sat--

[00:41:49] Luke: Yeah. He's been on the show. We'll link to that in the show notes at lukestorey.com/morgan.

[00:41:53] Morgan: Yeah.

[00:41:54] Luke: Incredible guy. He sent me his book, Hidden something. It's like thick as a brick. I got 10 pages in. I'm just like, it's so dense. You know, there's something there, but you have to have a certain intellect to be able to really grasp it.

[00:42:09] Morgan: Yeah. The explanation that I picked up from him was like this idea that we're in the ether. There's like, well, imagine there's water all around us, and everything that moves puts out a wake behind it. When that wake hits a physical object, it changes its pattern, just like a boat moving through the water and the wake hitting a buoy.

[00:42:28] So BioGeometry is this whole study of like how to create physical environments that make harmonic patterns in the ether. So it's like creating that, the statues, the furniture, the housing design, the village design, so that you have this vibrational quality that is this centering energy that they measure for.

[00:42:51] And the centering energy is, of course, here in the dome. It's balanced and centered, and we're applying a lot of biogeometry principles. But we're also emanating that about 80 feet now from the dome.

[00:43:04] And as we layer on more of the biogeometry and start to measure these biological effects in the dome, we can really get that to maybe emanate a few hundred feet and then connected to a whole village that is creating this vibrational field that is actually measuring heart rate variability, measuring brainwave coherence, measuring with the GDV camera to show that this is something that is biologically supportive and we can engineer for it.

[00:43:34] Luke: Holy shit. That's so epic. When I first walked in here the other day, you never know what's placebo and what's not. If you have the expectation that you're going to feel really good in this space, you'll probably feel pretty good, because you're setting yourself up for success. But objectively, it feels really good in here.

[00:43:55] Morgan: Yeah. We have studied deeply into biogeometry as well as the Vastu Shastra, these ancient temple building sciences. And what they all come down to, we believe, is that, one, you want geometry that focuses into the center. So it's fractal geometry folding into the center. And you want materials that have a high dielectric constant.

[00:44:22] Basically, they hold a charge. Just like the capacitors or electronic devices, you put this material in your hand and it wants to just want us to merge with your energy field because it's literally holding a charge.

[00:44:34] And you combine those two things together and that's like the stone circle pyramid effect where you're basically restoring centripetal charge forces, charges, folding into itself, which is the opposite of radiation, charge that's radiating outward from a point. It's like restoring that centripetal charge force.

[00:44:51] Luke: Yeah, so it's like an implosion of radiation rather than radiating away. That's so interesting.

[00:45:00] Morgan: So I think you'll tell how well an architect did in the future by seeing how well plants grow, by measuring seed germination, by measuring heart rate variability and brainwave coherence. And we can really take architecture to beyond just shelter for survival, but actually supports--

[00:45:18] Luke: That's what's crazy, is as I was mentioning, we look at a building as just survival and the elements and just shelter. It's like a defensive position to begin with rather than, I don't know, a harmonious position where you're actually wanting to integrate the energies of the cosmos, the energies of nature, and amplify them into the space rather than distort them.

[00:45:46] The thing is, I think, the number one cause of all illness, is the fact that we live in boxes. And not just because of the energetics of it, but obviously mold and EMF, air flow, and just all the things. The lack of full spectrum light, the whole thing.

[00:46:07] It's like, if we were just outdoors more, we'd be golden. So my idea is always, how can we take the best of the outdoors and still not freeze to death or die from the elements? And that seems to be what you're doing. So it's not just about something that looks beautiful, the communal aspect that we've covered, but it's like, whoa, what if we lived in structures that actually made you more healthy instead of the opposite?

[00:46:33] Morgan: Yeah, yeah. And the material, you can think of it as a third skin. Where does your body end? We believe we have a bioelectric field. Then your body is not ending at the end of your skin. So do you want to live in a structure where-- this is bone material. It's potassium, magnesium, calcium, phosphate.

[00:46:52] It's mimicking the chemical composition of bone. The whole structure is that. So it's just biologically resonant materials because this is our-- just like you'd want to wear silk and wool and things that also have a high dielectric [Inaudible].

[00:47:04] Luke: Not polyester. Yeah.

[00:47:05] Morgan: Allow your aura to unpack and breathe.

[00:47:08] Luke: That's insane. So I did a show on the biofield with Eileen-- I always mispronounce her last name. McKusick. My apologies, Eileen. If you ever hear this, you're an amazing healer and all the things. Put that in the show notes.

[00:47:25] But she was explaining to me with tuning forks, how she can kind of measure distortions in your biofield and they radiate out quite a ways, and she can actually find points in your timeline where you experience traumas and things like that, where there will be a glitch in your biofield. It's really interesting. She has a way to quantify that. So to your point, I love the idea of merging the human biofield in a field that supports it.

[00:47:57] Morgan: Yeah, yeah. So imagine you're coming into a space that just helps your body come back into homeostasis or coherence. And then when we're in the space together, because my heart rate variability is in coherence, we're able to connect with one another emotionally, where that weave is there. So you can actually deepen our relationships to one another.

[00:48:24] So tying it back to Buckminster Fuller though, after 30 years of working on trying to industrialize home building, he invented the geodesic dome, and then it initiated this whole back to the land movement in the '70s and whatnot where people were exiting and building. And Bucky called them wooden spaceships.

[00:48:52] It's the right geometry, but he knew if they weren't being industrialized, he predicted it'd be 30 or 50 years until new material science would arrive to really enable the mass manufacturing of the geodesic home. This material was really developed at US National Labs in the late '90s, early 2000s for use in the nuclear industry.

[00:49:14] And now we've just applied it to architecture and combined with the most efficient manufacturing method, which is basically injection molding and formative manufacturing. So it's something that is just incredibly scalable. That's why we've got just an awesome team from Tesla and SpaceX and Apple, all these top-notch engineers who have joined, because we're transforming one of the most exciting products that we humans spend most of their time in.

[00:49:45] And we're doing it from physics first principles and have this vision and the market. It's really exciting place to [Inaudible].

[00:49:54] Luke: It is crazy that innovation has ignored this aspect of the human experience. We're really excited about and a flatter TV. It's like we actually live in a thing. What about the thing we're living in? Not all the crap that you put in it, that it's better design, which I would argue much of the design's getting worse.

[00:50:14] Try to operate a modern refrigerator or something. Just the complexity starts to eat its own tail at a certain point, and you're just like, "Dude, I want an old Ford V8 truck. The washing machine I had in 1974 that lasted however many years. It's like the simplicity gets lost in the innovation, but we're innovating things that really don't need it. It's just a way to remarket the same base product to the consumer.

[00:50:42] Morgan: Yeah. And that's what's exciting from-- Buckminster had a similar approach where he thought of the home as a completely integrated product. So imagine you get an owner's manual for your home that includes how everything works. You can put on the augmented reality glasses and see in the wall and have a helper there that's teaching you how to do any service or maintenance of things.

[00:51:07] And it's like the home as a fully integrated product. So everything gets better and better and better over time as the-- that happen today. We're just bringing all these different pieces together.

[00:51:20] Luke: Yeah, yeah. And also the durability factor. Before I owned a home, which has only been four years or so now, it's like always the dream of owning a home. And any of my friends who own homes, they're like, "Yeah, it's nice. But man, it gets really expensive. You'll see." And I'm like, "What? No way. You're building equity. You're not paying rent and paying someone else's mortgage off." Dude.

[00:51:42] Anytime you got to fix anything in your house, I don't know if it's the same everywhere, but in Texas, it's thousands of dollars sometimes for something that seems relatively simple. And so I like the idea of durability.

[00:51:57] And also I could see your vision right in the future where we have an AI-driven, virtual reality manual for the Geo ship, and you're like, "Oh, something weird's going on over here." And it's just like, cool. You put on the goggles and it just tells you exactly what to do as if you were the expert tradesman that knew how to do it.

[00:52:15] Morgan: Yeah. It's a really complete new paradigm in what a house can be. It's an opportunity to create these local regenerative ecosystems. Because the house, there's so much around it that can be integrated in. And how can we use this as a tool to really, inspire regenerative communities?

[00:52:44] Luke: Let's talk about the bioceramic, the material itself. That to me is really interesting. We went and looked at the factory the other day. I think, if I remember right, you said that it's a chemical process where the materials cure in seven to 20 minutes or something and requires no heat. It is just room temperature. You pour a mold and it's like, now it's rock hard. It's like a freaking crystal. It's bulletproof. Did I get that right?

[00:53:11] Morgan: Yeah. And it's a chemical process, but it's not-- people sometimes associate chemicals with petrochemicals. It's a crystal chemistry. Same way that crystals form, you have a acid-based reaction. And that's what's unique about this. It's a whole new class of materials, and it's really rare to have a whole new of materials.

[00:53:33] We pretty much had like metal, wood, concrete petrochemicals as the four main building materials. And now this is part of a new class called geopolymers or chemically bonded ceramics-- are kind of cousins. And it's basically a ceramic material. So it's highly crystalline with covalent and ionic bonding, but it's like a cement and that it doesn't require high heat.

[00:53:55] And it's just mixing powder and water together at room temperature, and it's like an epoxy, and that it's forming molecular bonds with wood and with metal. The bond strength is better than the aerospace grade epoxies. So when you combine those things together, it enables the geodesic dome to be really, really efficient to mass manufacture through injection molding parts that pack into a shipping container, arrive on site, and the whole home is functions as a monolithic structure. There's no gaskets and screws--

[00:54:29] Luke: Yeah, that's like when I was like nuts and bolts earlier. I thought, I don't think you need those.

[00:54:33] Morgan: Yeah. It becomes essentially monolithic on site.

[00:54:37] Luke: And what about moisture, airflow? I know that mold can't grow on this material, which is incredible. That's something that, thankfully there's more public awareness around now, but I think half the people out there that are sick probably have mold in their home and they just don't know it. So how does air quality, air flow, moisture, mold, all that stuff, play into it?

[00:55:02] Morgan: The material is breathable, and there's nothing-- like I said, it's all inorganic, so there's nothing for mold to grow on. And it is waterproof and breathable, so water vapor can pass through, but water obviously can't pass through ceramic. There's nothing for insects to eat.

[00:55:28] A flood, it basically dries out because there's nothing for mold to grow on. And you can repair and resurface it with the same material it's made from. So you never have to pull off the roof or pull off the siding and throw it in a dump and put new stuff on. You're just spraying a very thin coat of the ceramic, like a paint. And it can be resurfaced after a long time in the future, 50 or 100 years.

[00:55:54] Luke: Also, just from the touch of the material, it seems very durable. Versus a stick home with stucco sprayed on it. I feel like you could just put a shovel through the side of my house. You know what I mean? It looks durable, but you start messing around with it and you go, "Dude, it wouldn't take much to knock this thing over." Whatever force that would be, I don't know. But I don't feel like homes are as secure as we pretend they are.

[00:56:24] Morgan: Yeah.

[00:56:24] Luke: You this in a hurricane. I don't live in a place where there's hurricanes, but in hurricanes, just pick up whole stick homes. Just throw it down the street and it's gone. It's insane.

[00:56:32] Morgan: Yeah. This is basically an ultra-high performance fiber reinforced ceramic concrete. So there's a lot of fibers in it, both continuous fiber. So weaves as well as chopped fiber. And you can drive a nail through it and it just makes a hole not a crack. And the compressive strength is four times what concrete is. It's a very high, performance material.

[00:56:58] Luke: So say we had a concrete structure here versus this, and a mid-size tree fell on top of it. What would the difference be? And you're not claiming these are tree proof, right?

[00:57:13] Morgan: Yeah. Because there's so many different size trees.

[00:57:16] Luke: Yeah, yeah. But that's something that happens. You see people's homes just [Inaudible], the whole wing gets crushed from a tree they ignore or something like that. But it feels like in terms of brute force impact, this would be much more durable than the things we're building.

[00:57:31] Morgan: Yeah, definitely. Definitely more durable than a conventional house. And in terms of hurricane, impact resistance and whatnot, it's like a 2 by 4 shot at 45 miles an hour is no problem. When you get to Mike Miami-Dade ratings of 90 mile an hour, 13-pound 2 by 4, I think it is.

[00:57:55] We have to make the walls just a little thicker to have like the hurricane package, but way more durable than a conventional house and easy to repair without replacement.

[00:58:06] Luke: Yeah, yeah. And you were explaining the other day, we're in a fire country here in Nevada City. It seems to be on top of mind for most people that live and build here. So I watched the real estate listings and you look at fire scores. I was like, "10 out of 10." I'm like, "Okay, noted." But you were saying that, say if, God forbid, a fire rage through here, that this thing would just be left standing.

[00:58:30] Morgan: Yeah, it'd be fine. Concrete is hydraulically bonded, so the water, if you expose it to very high heat for a period of time, it'll pretty much disintegrate or become very, very weak. This is not like that. It's a covalent and ionic bonding, more like a ceramic.

[00:58:50] And also defensible space and the homestead or village design is important too. But combining these things together, nothing that can ignite. And then also a lot of times where fires start around here is the embers come in the roof vents and the fire starts in the attic kind of thing. And you don't have that situation in this either. So nothing to burn and nothing for fires to--

[00:59:22] Luke: That's so epic. So essentially, if fire blaze through here, it might just look charred on the outside. The inside is sitting just like this?

[00:59:33] Morgan: Yeah, I think so. I don't know if it would even look charred on the outside. I don't think it would look charred unless something is rubbing against it.

[00:59:42] Luke: Wow. Wow.

[00:59:43] Morgan: Because usually you're going for 30 feet of defensible space. And fires come through quick too.

[00:59:53] Luke: Right. If there's nothing to burn, they're just going to burn through it, and they move on. They're not going to just sit here and keep going. There's no fuel for it. Let's talk about EMF, which is just such a important topic to me. It's something I talk about all the time.

[01:00:12] So we're staying here in a number of different Airbnbs, and people might think I'm nuts. I think people that don't deal with their EMF issues are nuts. I feel like I'm actually normal. So I travel with a little strip of EMF-blocking fabric. It's just like a sheet basically, and I'll get a piece of that and put it behind the headboard of the bed and just tape it to the wall and then plug that.

[01:00:38] It has a alligator clip with the ground and I just plug that into the ground. And so that sucks all of the electric field that you would be sleeping in out into the ground where it should be. At our home, every room is like a Faraday cage. It's all painted with shielding paint. Everything's grounded, the whole deal.

[01:00:58] And so when I'm living in that environment, I really notice when I travel, I wake up with a headache, or I don't sleep as well. And it's like, oh dude. You get an EMF meter, you're sleeping in a crazy amount of electric current. Not to mention RF from Wi-Fi and smart technologies and all of that.

[01:01:16] So I go to great lengths, not only at home, but even when I travel, to mitigate that. And I have a sense that some of the harmonics that you described earlier would have a very positive impact on the EMF environment. I wouldn't recommend you build one of these in a city because living in a city is just not healthy for you in any way.

[01:01:37] But out here, I get cell service. But I sense that there's some sort of harmonizing effect based on the energetics, leaving aside the hard physics of actually doing blocking and shielding and all that kind of stuff.

[01:01:50] Morgan: Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that's like what I mentioned earlier, these centripetal charge forces. You're harmonizing the electromagnetic radiation that is always present to some extent and then just super amplified with these devices and techno world that we live in. That's our basic approach, is this harmonization.

[01:02:15] Like I said, this is engineering prototypes. So the first full-size home that we're building is much bigger. We can get in and do more of that testing, but that's what this material was. We think of Buckminster Fuller as the father of the geometry and the father of the material is a professor Rustum Roy.

[01:02:37] And he was one of the most preeminent material scientists in the world, head of the biggest material science lab in the US. And for the last 20 years of his life, he was studying the science of whole person healing.

[01:02:49] Luke: Really?

[01:02:49] Morgan: Yeah. He was a crystal chemist, so he invented cubic zirconia, and he was--

[01:02:55] Luke: Really?

[01:02:56] Morgan: Yeah. He was focusing on like, how does the qigong master focus her attention and heat up water or change the molecular structure of water? So we have teams of scientists studying these anomalies. And he defined this new family of materials that were like a chemically bonded ceramics or crystals that could be formed at room temperature.

[01:03:22] And that led to this R&D project at US National Labs, where they were basically still the biggest environmental cleanup project in human history-- is ongoing now and it's going to stretch out through the next 80 years. And that is basically taking all this nuclear sludge that was created during nuclear bomb manufacturing during World War II at the Hanford site in Washington, and solidifying that into pellets that they can basically do for storing a mountain long term.

[01:03:51] And this technology, they called it Stardust early on because it was that they'd basically take this nuclear sledge, put it in a barrel, and today they use boron glass vitrification where they make it a glass pellet for storage. But this was like the new innovation there.

[01:04:08] And so they found it has radiation shielding properties where it's shielding both gamma and neutron radiation with two inches of the material, where it takes like five or six feet of really dense Portland concrete to have that same kind of shielding ability.

[01:04:22] Luke: Or lead, if that even does it.

[01:04:26] Morgan: Yeah. Because you can add certain aggregates into it, like metal aggregates that give it this-- because it's bonding to the metal and actually merging with it, not degrading. If you had metal to pour on concrete, it would just corrode.

[01:04:42] Luke: That's really interesting, and that is the basis of the bioceramics.

[01:04:48] Morgan: Yeah. That's where this material was invented.

[01:04:51] Luke: Yeah. It's probably a lot easier to deal with a Wi-Fi signal than it is gamma rays coming from a old atom bomb or something.

[01:04:59] Morgan: Yeah. And it's also interesting. Under Armour has a line of sleepwear called bioceramic pajamas.

[01:05:07] Luke: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[01:05:09] Morgan: Tom Brady is the spokesperson. They take these same phosphate oxide powders, bioceramic powder, and weave it through the threads of the clothing because it takes the body's heat and reflects it back in the far infrared spectrum. So there's the photobiomodulation effect where light is being modulated to resonate with biology.

[01:05:29] Luke: Whoa.

[01:05:30] Morgan: So this is far infrared light emitting structure, is all.

[01:05:34] Luke: What? Holy crap. That's so awesome. That was one of the next topics I wanted to get into, was the light and our relationship to light and how the homes we build now, especially the energy efficient ones that are necessary if you live somewhere really hot or cold, which is most places in the States, is we're cutting ourselves off from the most life supporting energies in the known universe, which is the sun. So I'm always thinking, how can you integrate these different spectrum of light into the home and also have the temperature that you prefer? So that's really interesting.

[01:06:16] Morgan: Yeah. It comes down to like, how do we restore the light water and electromagnetic environment that humans evolved to it for thousands of years? Just back to the fundamentals of what it is to dig your feet into the meadow and sit in a stone circle. Those conditions, let's just replicate it inside the home.

[01:06:40] Luke: Talk to me about the earthing floors. That was one of the coolest thing. And we came in here the other day, I was like, "You're actually grounded when you're touching the floor in here." It's freaking amazing, dude.

[01:06:51] Because many of us use little grounding pads and things like that and it's like, I don't know, there's debate as to whether or not those are healthy if you're exposed to an electric field, for example, because then your body becomes the ground and so on. But I think it's a really cool idea to just have your entire home grounded on the floor. Is that something that's feasible in the scaling of the Geo ships?

[01:07:17] Morgan: It's not super scalable because this is basically a cob floor. So it's not scalable from like an industrialization perspective, but it is scalable because people want to get their hands in the mud and participate in the building.

[01:07:34] So if it's fun and you're enjoying it and the community's coming together and doing it, and you're building the floor that you're going to have your feet on and your kids and grandkids are going to have their feet on it, do you need to do it in four hours? Can you spend a week or so doing a floor if it's an enjoyable process?

[01:07:53] Luke: What's the standardized floor for the first models that are ran out? What's the floor made of?

[01:07:59] Morgan: Yeah. So initially we're doing basically a slab foundation, and then you can do a ceramic coating on the floor.

[01:08:06] Luke: Oh, wow.

[01:08:07] Morgan: And then you're integrating more and more into the product as it evolves, so eventually the foundation becomes part of the product, and then the floor could be a earth and floor like this, or it could be--

[01:08:21] Luke: Right. Because concrete is conductive. Even if this was just a concrete slab, you'd be grounded touching it too.

[01:08:29] Morgan: Yeah, just different levels of grounding.

[01:08:32] Luke: Okay, so less DC current. This is probably super high DC current if you were to test it with like a skin voltage meter or something.

[01:08:40] Morgan: Yeah, yeah. And there's additives you can add to the concrete, like a little bit of graphene additives that give--

[01:08:46] Luke: Not the kind that people have in their bodies.

[01:08:49] Morgan: Yeah.

[01:08:49] Luke: Oh yeah. That made me think of something else. When we did the shielding in the bedrooms at our house, the shielding paint, which is this crazy process, it's really interesting. You can add different powdered minerals into the paint to create more of an RF kind of blocking. And that sounds like the bio ceramics has that already inherently.

[01:09:12] Morgan: Mm-hmm.

[01:09:13] Luke: I don't understand how it works in terms of physics, but I remember, oh yeah, we're going to add some of this powder, graphene or whatever it was, into the paint to make it even more robust in terms of its ability to shield.

[01:09:26] Morgan: Yeah, it's a high dielectric ceramic. I think it's possible in the future that the whole home is actually generating power or storing power. Because it is a ceramic, high dielectric, so we can for sure store power.

[01:09:40] And there's this whole organization in Germany, like crystal energy cells, where they're really looking at-- they have these ceramic rods that have been lighting up a light bulb for a decade plus, and it's like working on coherent quantum fluctuations. So I think it's possible the homes of the future actually generate electrical energy.

[01:10:02] Luke: Wow. Wow. What about the infrastructure? On your website there's beautiful renderings where you see the two-storey model. There's a spiral staircase. There's built-in kitchen counters and things like that, and there's obviously bedrooms and closets and bathrooms and things like. The build out of the inside, how does that work?

[01:10:30] What parts of that come with the home when you have your flagship two bedroom home or whatever? Is plumbing and bathrooms and kitchens and all this stuff part of the package?

[01:10:41] Morgan: Yes. It's all part of the package. We just got successfully through the California Factory Built Housing program, so certified at a state level. And it includes all the mechanical, electrical, plumbing systems, cabinets, countertops, like move-in ready, and it's just one crew. Our crew arrives and does the whole install in about four weeks. Maybe we can get that down to about two weeks

[01:11:07] Luke: Are you serious?

[01:11:08] Morgan: Two-bedroom, two bath.

[01:11:09] Luke: Are you being really ambitious?

[01:11:11] Morgan: No. The very first one that we're just starting to install now, I think it'll take about six weeks, but by the time we do 10, it'll be four weeks. And by the time we're doing thousands a year, it'll be two weeks, I think.

[01:11:23] Luke: That's insane. Dude, we renovated our house in Texas. There was a lot of errors, let's call it that, on behalf of the builders and staff contractors. Whew. It took years off my life there, but it took a year and a half dude, just to gut a house and renovate it. I've been building one

[01:11:44] Morgan: And a lot of times it's just waiting for different contractors and subcontractors to arrive. And all the scheduling.

[01:11:50] Luke: Yes. And materials. '

[01:11:52] Morgan: Because we got this factory build housing certification, it basically means we don't have to have electricians or plumbers on site. It's just one group of people that does the whole thing from start to finish.

[01:12:02] Luke: Does that make the permitting ride smoother?

[01:12:06] Morgan: Yeah. Way smoother. So we take care of all the regulatory for the customer, and the local building departments are super enthusiastic. We have the head of the building department here in Nevada County and the head of the city planning for Nevada City come by all the time, and they're just excited to see--

[01:12:26] Luke: What a blessing, man.

[01:12:27] Morgan: Affordable, sustainable, fire-resilient housing.

[01:12:29] Luke: Yeah. I bet they're really excited about the fire resilient part here. Because there's so much public awareness about that. The fact that you guys made it through the regulatory threshold in California says a lot because anyone that has lived here understands that the bureaucracy here is absolutely insane to do anything.

[01:12:49] Morgan: Mm-hmm. That's why if we could get through it in California, we can get through it in any state.

[01:12:53] Luke: Yeah. That's epic. I made a reservation a couple of days ago for my Geo ship. I haven't even told my wife yet actually. And it wasn't that much money, but yeah. She mentioned on the way over here today because I'm so pumped on this. She's like, I feel like I would need to live in one for a month or something before we pulled the trigger.

[01:13:13] And I'm like, I don't know if we can do that. You're just going to have to trust my leadership on this one. But I went ahead and made a deposit, if for nothing else, just to help support and build momentum and just be like, "Yo, I put my flag in the dirt here, on this idea."

[01:13:31] And I sent the link to a couple of my friends, and we will actually link to that, you guys, in the show notes today. If anyone wants to reserve a dome, the link will be lukestorey.com/geoship. And you mentioned earlier, before we started, there was a discount for early reservations or something. What was the details on that?

[01:13:51] Morgan: Yeah. Anyone who makes a reservation through your link there will get $300 off. So instead of 500 bucks, it's 200 bucks.

[01:13:58] Luke: Epic

[01:13:59] Morgan: And it really does help us a lot because we're creating a whole other market. There's no ceramic geodesic domes in the world today, so you have to prove that people want this thing. And that's really important for raising the capital. We need to build factories and really scale.

[01:14:18] And our goal is to build one of the biggest companies of the 21st century that is building homes and communities. So thousands of homes out of each factory and millions of homes a year. We have to get to 50 million homes a year to make a dent in the need for housing on earth

[01:14:38] In the next 40 years, there's another 2 billion people coming to the planet and plus the majority today who don't have good housing. So it's a huge market, and being able to make a reservation really makes a difference for us in terms of showing that.

[01:15:00] Luke: Epic. I figured that. And also, if you make a reservation, this is part of my motivation too, when these are rolling out and are in full production for public purchase, you're further ahead in the line, in the waitlist, right?

[01:15:15] Morgan: Yes.

[01:15:17] Luke: I was like, "I got to make my claim now because I don't have a piece of land to put one on, but I hope to have one in the near future, somehow some way. So I think that's also, someone's interested and they don't want to wait to the end of the line, it's a good way to get in.

[01:15:31] What about savvy investors that see opportunity here? I've seen on your website at various times like, "Hey, I want to invest." And you have some pretty noteworthy people who have had the faith to invest in the company. What does that look like for people that are interested in that end of it?

[01:15:48] Morgan: Yeah. You just go to our website. If you're an accredited investor, you can set up a call. And if you're not accredited, we're also doing equity-based crowdfunding. So one of our key things is to progressively decentralized. So at the end, Geo ship will be a multi-stakeholder cooperative.

[01:16:10] So customers in nature will own about half of the company as well as your traditional stakeholders of investors and crew. And will have this perpetual purpose-driven trust that is Buckminster Fuller's mission statement. And you're basically buying shares in a high-growth technology company that is aiming to transform the biggest industry on earth, which is really residential housing. So I think we have the opportunity to be just a giant.

[01:16:41] Luke: Someday there'll be some people with non-buyer’s remorse, like people that didn't invest in Apple early on or something. There's a fee savvy people that did with those really innovative industry paradigm changing brands and companies, where very few people got in when it was affordable and now--

[01:17:01] Morgan: Because they always seem niche right now. Like, oh, who wants to go live in a dome? Well, who wanted blue jeans? Who wanted personal computers? Who wanted electric cars? All these things are weird niche things that eventually become mainstream. And I think the round or non-rectilinear house is on the list.

[01:17:20] Luke: I don't want to live in a rectal house. You know what I mean?

[01:17:22] Morgan: Yeah.

[01:17:23] Luke: There was another thing. Oh, tell us about cost. Price per square foot, I guess is a good way to do it. Start here. So your flagship two-bedroom, I think, is going to be, what, 16, 1,700 square feet or something?

[01:17:41] Morgan: Mm-hmm. It's two-bedroom, two-bath, 1,660 square feet.

[01:17:45] Luke: How much is that all in, just retail price, when that's available, where you can just click buy on your site?

[01:17:52] Morgan: It's about $300 a square foot here in California, which is actually less than you can have a conventional house built for, but it's still more than what it costs to buy an existing house. And our goal is like through scaling the manufacturing, we can get down to 150 or maybe even $100 a square foot while still offering something that is totally the value proposition is can't burn or rot or corrode, and this next level health benefits.

[01:18:22] And it's a massively reduced environmental impact to last a lot longer. Plus it's way more efficient to operate. About 70% reduction in really heating and cooling

[01:18:34] Luke: 70%?

[01:18:35] Morgan: Yeah.

[01:18:36] Luke: Whoa. That's a huge value add.

[01:18:39] Morgan: That's the goal.

[01:18:40] Luke: Our power bill is $800.

[01:18:45] Morgan: Yeah. There's a lot of inherent things going on in the dome, especially when it's engineered like this, where you just have a tight envelope and minimal surface area and these heat reflective properties and big insulation cavity that all add up to really high levels of efficiency.

[01:19:05] Luke: So do the math for me. $300-something a square foot for the two bedroom. That's 1650. What's the price tag on that?

[01:19:13] Morgan: 500 grand. And that basically includes everything even the appliances

[01:19:19] Luke: For not only all the benefits we've talked about, but for super dope house. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't know, you go get a brand new house and a housing track somewhere for 500 grand.

[01:19:33] Morgan: And that's really the optioned up version. It's not a spiral staircase, a helical staircase. So you have still that sacred center. You could have a tree or a totem of some sort in the center of the home, and it's a higher end appliances and cabinets and countertops. And then as we scale to thousands of homes a year, then we can just offer optioned down versions and still--

[01:19:57] Luke: Yeah, yeah. And also I think there's a lot of room for cottage industry around this as you scale too. I could see someone being like the decking specialist that understands the aesthetics and the needs and goals of someone who would own a Geo ship. Like, oh, cool, they're going to have dope plans that are all circular and connect the domes together in a really interesting way.

[01:20:23] So you're not pulling your hair out trying to explain it to your average, like Landsy Bakes landscaping company, Fence Builders USA, or whatever. Well, here's what I want to do guys. It's weird. I feel like there's going to be creative builders that are going to mushroom their own businesses out of this core product. What do you think about that? Have you seen any of that or have any visions or ideas on how that might unfold?

[01:20:48] Morgan: Yeah, definitely. That's part of our strategy, is like create a cottage industry and market network around the product. And we do everything initially because you have to start by doing everything.

[01:21:02] Luke: Yeah, yeah.

[01:21:03] Morgan: And then as it scales, we can basically bring in more certified suppliers and contractors and whatnot to do a lot of that.

[01:21:15] Luke: Yeah. You can have your own little ecosystem of customization experts. Oh my God. Dude, I just thought of something. I texted you earlier. Let me see if I can bring it up. So I was going to talk about lighting. Let me see if I have this here. Okay, dude. I always forget the name of this company. colorbeamlighting.com. Have you heard of them yet?

[01:21:37] Morgan: No, but I looked up the site when you sent it earlier.

[01:21:40] Luke: Dude. Lighting is a huge issue. Blue light, flickering light, LEDs, fluorescent garbage. These guys, they do residential and commercial. They created low voltage lighting systems that are all hardwired, all analog. So in other words, you don't have smart stuff like, Philip Hughes, where you have fricking Wi-Fi routers on every lamp basically. It's just a train wreck.

[01:22:07] Our Airbnb has that. I was like, "Oh, unscrewing all of those first night. No." But these guys, dude, what they could do in a dome, it could be a sick partnership, if everyone's open to it. But they not only-- okay, no EMF, no flicker low voltage so very little electricity pull, but they have totally an infinite color spectrum customization capacity.

[01:22:34] You can also set it to mimic the exact color spectrum of the sun throughout the day, every day of the year on an automated system. So it's like you don't have to worry about, oh, the blue lights are on, and it's after sunset. It's like, boom. your house just mimics what's going on in the lighting outdoors.

[01:22:54] And also if you wanted to like get freaky, you can have, I don't know, different colored rooms at different times. And they have track lighting systems so that you don't-- this is another annoyance of mine. You can have the lighting at the right level according to where it meets the eye.

[01:23:16] I give her notice if you go in a room where there's sconces, even if the light's bright, it's much less irritating than overhead lighting. This canned overhead lighting is very annoying and not natural. It's not biocompatible. The sun is very rarely right over your head, especially at midnight. You know what I'm saying?

[01:23:37] So another thing they're doing that's cool, is you could basically put the lighting wherever you want it. Some overhead, some on the floor, behind your cabinets in the kitchen. It's freaking insane. So wanted to give them a shout out because they're like the first company I've seen really innovate lighting that covered all the bases that personally, as a light fanatic, I would ever do. It's like, oh shit, I wish I would've thought of that. They nailed everything, where you put them, the color they are at a different time of the day. No EMF, no flick or all the things.

[01:24:07] Morgan: Yeah. That's awesome. It's been hard to find lighting that has checked all the things that we're looking for.

[01:24:15] Luke: Yeah, same for me, just on a personal level. I remember when they banned incandescent lights or they were about to. I went on Amazon I bought like boxes and boxes of them, which is fine, but it was very expensive. And then when they put orange man back in the CEO seat at the Capitol, then now you can buy them again.

[01:24:36] I was like, "Oh Goddamnit." But things like that. And even incandescent aren't ideal. I think there's still better ways to do lighting if you get some science behind it so that you can create a really beautiful spectrum that's compatible during the day or the night and all that stuff.

[01:24:51] Morgan: Is that company you're talking about LEDs?

[01:24:54] Luke: Yeah, they're LEDs, but they're designed specifically to have zero flicker, which is one of the main issues of LED. And also another issue with most LEDs, you have very narrow bandwidth of color. It's like within a very narrow nanometer spectrum. And so they have really an infinite spectrum of color that you can also mix and match.

[01:25:15] So you could have like a full-spectrum lighting situation, indoors during the day when it's supposed to be full spectrum and then narrow it down to the orange-red, amber spectrum at night. Yeah, it's insane dude. It's like the coolest thing ever.

[01:25:29] One of my next dreams is to have a home that's just lit with that only. Just like you don't even have normal fixtures. And you can do a dimmer without creating flicker, which is another problem with lights that are dimmable if yo--, well, dimmer switches are a train wreck anyway because they make a shit ton of dirty electricity. But when you dim lights, it makes them flicker, like traditional bulbs, which is also another issue.

[01:25:52] Morgan: Yeah. That's why I'm grateful to be having the conversation with you and to develop the product together over time. Because our goal is to really make the world's healthiest home.

[01:26:04] Luke: You're already 99% there based on this conversation.

[01:26:08] Morgan: Yeah. There's a lot of little things though that we can do that we want to--

[01:26:11] Luke: Fine-tuning the light is like, man-- you're already doing something that's so innovative and disruptive, but the fact that you're thinking about the energetics and the EMF and the mold, the air quality, energy efficiency, being friendly to the environment, longevity, generational legacy properties, where your great, great, great, great, great, great grandkids can still live in the same dome you built in 2026, that's nuts.

[01:26:42] Morgan: That's why we're so excited about this product from the first principles, the geometry, the materials, like injection-molded ceramic composite, geodesic homes. I think you'll never be able to make something more affordable and more sustainable at scale.

[01:26:59] Like a mud house or something, you're using all materials within a couple of hundred feet and doing a lot of labor is another thing. But when it comes to like a product, I think this is really what scales to billions of homes like this. I believe this could be the most common form of housing on earth at some point in the future.

[01:27:17] Luke: That's a beautiful vision. And it's funny to someone who's maybe more traditionally minded, if they look at a photo of a dome, they might think, oh, that's weird. It's actually weird to live in a box. You know what I'm saying? So I can foresee a point in the future where we look at old square buildings and just find them grotesque. And this will be like the norm.

[01:27:42] Morgan: Yeah. Especially as we start measuring some of these biomarkers and showing that it's the norm, because that's what our bodies and nature want.

[01:27:53] Luke: Do you have plans to check brainwaves and HRV and things like that?

[01:27:58] Morgan: Yeah, yeah. We've got all the equipment and are starting to do some of the testing.

[01:28:02] Luke: Oh man. Let me know when that comes out. I'll blast it out on social and do everything I can. One element of what you're doing is very esoteric in energy and harmonizing. And for people that are more left brain, that's harder to latch onto. But when it's quantifiable, everyone's in.

[01:28:20] Morgan: That's the thing. Our CTO was championship NASCAR team and then went to Tesla for seven years and was ahead of vehicle dynamics at Tesla. So they're measuring things that were hard to measure, little vibrations and just the overall integration of the car.

[01:28:41] He personally delivered the first 10 Model S's at Tesla, and then went to another home building startup and is not working with us. That's the same challenge here, is these subtle energy effects, vibrational quality. How can we start to measure those things so that we can actually tune the engineering and manufacture to optimize for it over time? It's a big part, I think, of what we're--

[01:29:06] Luke: That's so cool. I'm bummed that your guy left Tesla because after he left, they did a terrible job with the acoustics. We bought my wife one of those, I forget which model, and it's like, my bad. We didn't test drive it because she had another model before that. She loved it.

[01:29:23 I wouldn't drive one personally for a number of reasons, crazy levels of EMF being one of them. It's her life. She wanted one. She's like, "Shouldn't we test drive?" That's same shit. It's just a different model. Whatever. We just go in. So we drive off the lot. We sign the paperwork.

[01:29:36] We're a couple of hundred yards away. She goes, "Do you hear that noise, that booming, that vibrating? That feels weird." I was like, "No, I don't notice." She's like," Okay." And we kept noticing it. We got home. By the time we got home, she's like, "I can't drive this car. It's got this thing where it's like a air pressure thing, like you're changing altitude in an airplane and it's got this low frequency resonance.

[01:30:03] Every time you go over a bump, it's like, [Inaudible], and it hits your eardrums in a really specific way. So we're like, "We can't have this." So I emailed them and no one ever answers. And finally, I sent all these letters to their legal department. I'm like, "Hey, it's only been 72 hours or whatever." And they just ghosted us.

[01:30:21] And then I realized through researching some of the laws in Texas, they don't have the lemon law thing you have here in California. So you would have to litigate against Tesla to get them to take the car back even 24 hours later.

[01:30:33] Morgan: Really? Wow.

[01:30:33] Luke: Yeah. Thankfully, eventually, she just got used to it. But yeah, it's terrible in the aspects that you're describing.

[01:30:42] Morgan: Yeah. He was not focused on the acoustics and that kind of energetic qualities. It's just on the drive experience, how does it--

[01:30:53] Luke: Yeah, Yeah.

[01:30:58] Morgan: And similarly, our head of product engineering left Tesla and went to this company called Zoox, where they developed the first robotaxi. And then when you take out the steering wheel and you no longer have an engine, what can the car become? Instead of four seats that are facing forward and the steering wheel, it becomes more like a room where you can sit and face each other.

[01:31:22] And I think the same with the geodesic home at the future, these first products we're doing is still like there's floors and walls, but really all these are structural points. And this is a whole other canvas to come in and rethink what it, what it is to live in the round.

[01:31:41] Luke: Yeah, yeah.

[01:31:41] Morgan: Opens up a whole other frontier.

[01:31:45] Luke: Going back to the communal living, even if you just had your own compound and you want different structures, as I was saying, you could have a really creative deck builder, create a bridge to your little office over there or even have it covered or something.

[01:32:03] I think the other day you said, some of the larger ones, they're actually just cut off on one side. So going in the other room is like a secondary or tertiary or fourth dome, but you don't have to walk outside to get to the other one. It's like that's your bedroom and over there is your office. But it's like, what's the modular aspect of putting multiple domes together on one single family home idea?

[01:32:31] Morgan: So basically, it's a modular product, so two different size domes, 36-foot diameter, which is about 1,100 square feet. And then with a loft, it's like 1,600. And a 20-foot diameter dome, which is about 40% bigger than this. And you can connect those in a lot of different kind of configurations.

[01:32:50] The bigger domes, you can connect them in a way where they're merged together, so it doesn't feel like you're walking through a hallway to get from one to the other. Or you can build two next to each other and maybe you enter in through the connector place that is like a greenhouse and mud room thing.

[01:33:09] Or you can just put them in proximity to one another, maybe around a courtyard. Because sometimes it's nice to walk outside to your office that's 50 feet away or 20 feet away or whatever it is.

[01:33:21] Luke: Yeah. That's cool. That's really exciting to me, just having-- I don't know. Especially if you had them separated, each one could have their own personality. We were talking the other day. I had the idea, since the windows are all triangles and they all look like, at least in this one, they're all the same size, you could get a dope, stained glass artist to make inserts.

[01:33:43] And I was like, "Well, then you're stuck with that." And when we left, Alyson's like, "You just have your small little ceremony room or meditation room." And that one is all yellow film on the windows or whatever. That's like your yellow room. There's so many different things you could do where in a traditional home, I don't know, it would be weird if each room was just completely different or different wings of the home were radically different.

[01:34:07] Where I feel like with this, you could create a little micro universe within each modular piece. Each dome could have its own little world and a completely different energy and aesthetic. And also just purpose of use, right?

[01:34:21] Morgan: Yeah. You don't want to maybe meditate in your bed because you're used to sleeping there and when you're meditating you're trying to go for a different experience. So it makes sense to have spaces that are tailored like that. And also in the community design. When you bring in weaves of paths and gateways and admissions, so when you cross this threshold, it's like a different quality of space. And then that can really be supportive at a community level as well as at the house level.

[01:34:54] Luke: Yeah. There's more intentionality around the purpose of each space. That's one of the things working from home. I'm sure many people who do so like I do, can share this experience. It's like when I go into my office, it's sometimes harder to get work done because I'm still in my house. You know what I mean?

[01:35:13] It's really easy to screw around and procrastinate. But it's also convenient because I don't have to drive anywhere and commute to my office. So it doesn't feel as much like I'm going to work in a burdensome way.

[01:35:25] I feel like if this dome was in my backyard and I had to walk down a little path to go into my office, I'd be like, "Yes, I could set that space up in a way that maximizes productivity, creativity, and so on, and really just insulate myself in there and do what I'm supposed to be doing, yet not feel like I had to commute to work.

[01:35:45] Morgan: Mm-hmm. And insulate yourself yet be super connected to the natural world, to the earth through your feet and through the vibrational quality as like being in a stone circle in a meadow.

[01:35:58] Luke: 100%. When I have my whole compound of Geo ships, there's going to be a very specific dome that is used for plant medicines.

[01:36:07] Morgan: Yeah.

[01:36:08] Luke: That's part of my vision too. I'm like, "The energy feels really good stone cold sober in here." I'm like, "Oh, you could really go to some places if that's your thing." All right, I think that's it, my friend. So show notes will be lukestorey.com/morgan. And for those that want to reserve a dome, lukestorey.com/geoship, and you get a couple hundred bucks off. What is it, 300 bucks off the reservation?

[01:36:32] So it's a good way to reserve your place in line. And then on their website you can look into the investment opportunity, which is really attractive to me. Unfortunately, my pockets, you could dump me upside down and nothing would come out right at the moment.

[01:36:46] But hopefully that'll change at some point in the near future. But man, I honor you. I honor your mission. I honor that you honored the calling of the experience you had in Portugal on the beach and on the boat, and that you followed the charm of your dharma. I always find it just to be so beautiful when someone hears that, sees it, acknowledges it, and then walks toward it.

[01:37:15] Morgan: Yeah, thank you. And just excited to be on the-- Geo ship is really interesting because you're bringing together-- I feel like it's a vision of the future that is a true vision. At some point in the future, we have these villages that are non-rectal linear homes that are helping us connect deeper to one another and to the earth.

[01:37:37] And because we're offering this product to people who already are visionaries, they have a vision for a new paradigm and living with a treat center or a home or a village, it's like this collective antenna that's forming. So it's really that future wants to be born and is just coming through us and this coming together as this movement that is so ripe.

[01:38:00] Luke: Yeah. it's cool. It's like a central beacon. You just actually sparked another topic that I wanted to cover, but I didn't, but I can cover it briefly. And that is retreat centers. I think now many of us are realizing like, wow, I want to have a central location where a community can come gather and do intentional work, whether that's yoga, meditation, plant medicines, whatever.

[01:38:22] The idea, I think, is very daunting to many people because you got to find the land, the infrastructure, the building, the expense, but especially the time. If you're talking about being able to throw up a dome in four to six weeks, and then eventually shorter than that, if you had the resources and you had the appropriate piece of land, you could have a retreat center up and running in freaking four months, you know what I mean?

[01:38:49] Maybe a little longer. There's other administrative things involved in all that, but in terms of having a central meeting place to do great things, this sounds like a really clear path toward that.

[01:39:01] Morgan: Mm-hmm. And I think they go well together. A lot of times you'll have the retreat center as part of the village. Maybe the village starts with the retreat center and then expands into more permanent or seasonal housing. Like the Ananda village we have here in Nevada County. It's been there for 70 years and it's a combination of retreat, center and village.

[01:39:25] Luke: Oh, cool.

[01:39:26] Morgan: Works that way.

[01:39:27] Luke: Can one go there? Is that some place I could go see? No. It's like private [Inaudible].

[01:39:31] Morgan: I'm not sure. Yeah, you can definitely go see it. You can definitely go see it. But I'm not sure about the retreat center aspect.

[01:39:38] Luke: Oh, okay. Got it. Got it.

[01:39:39] Morgan: What model is.

[01:39:40] Luke: I'm just asking selfishly because I'm trying to pack in every possible experience while I'm here in this beautiful place.

[01:39:46] Morgan: And if you go see it, the first home that was built there for Ananda, the guru was a geodesic dome.

[01:39:46] Luke: Really?

[01:39:46] Morgan: Yeah, they built geodesic domes, and now it's a museum or place to walk through.

[01:40:02] Luke: Cool. In alignment with what you're doing in our conversation, our final of five Airbnbs here is a geodesic down mountain in the woods on the creek.

[01:40:13] Morgan: Okay.

[01:40:14] Luke: A wooden one, but I'm excited. So maybe that'll be the tester for Alyson, like, how do you, feel in here. If you like this one, Geo ship's even way cooler.

[01:40:26] Morgan: It's the combination of the materials and the geometry that I think is really where that vibrational quality--

[01:40:32] Luke: Yeah, totally. Otherwise, it's just an aesthetic thing. You're just like, "Oh, it looks cool in here." It's interesting to the eye, but you might not have the magnification of the energies in the same way.

[01:40:44] Morgan: Mm-hmm.

[01:40:46] Luke: Shit, I keep thinking I'm done and then I'm not. Blame it on the room. So the one we're in now, for those watching obviously, see the interior's white. the exterior is a, I don't know, muted green color. It's very monochromatic with the environment.

[01:41:04] But when we were at the factory the other day, you were showing me a little display table of a bunch of different pigmentation options that you're exploring. And there were some really cool terracotta colors and different things like that. And if I remember right, you're like, "Yeah, it's a really easy thing to change the color of the material. Did I get that right?

[01:41:24] Morgan: Yeah. It's all integral color, so it's not painting anything over. it's just adding different minerals to the mix that gives it these kind of earth tones.

[01:41:34] Luke: That's right. So there's no painting necessary. You're just like, yeah, cool. I want the actual material to be that color. Great. That's dope. Because VOCs, it's a whole other issue. There's no VOCs in here either. We didn't even talk about that with air quality. All the shit, all the adhesives and stuff in every corner of the home. And you really notice this when you go in a new home. The carpeting and the paint and the--

[01:41:59] Morgan: The new car smell.

[01:42:00] Luke: Yeah. All the sealant and stuff. It's just like, oh my God. Yeah, that's cool. Now if one was so inclined, say you like that '70s hippie-looking weathered wood look, could you put cadding over this, knowing it's going to not last that long-- but just for shits and giggles, if you wanted that classical wood exterior?

[01:42:24] Morgan: Could you put wood over it?

[01:42:25] Luke: Yeah. If you had a builder that had that kind of skill, could you essentially put a skin on the outside of it that was wood if you wanted that kind of look?

[01:42:37] Morgan: The material bonds to wood really well and it actually-- another big restoration project was in China where they went and tried to restore all their ancient temples. And part of that is like they didn't want to use epoxy and concrete. They wanted to figure out what those original plasters and stuff were.

[01:42:58] And they found these magnesium based plasters that were on logs from 1,500 hundred years ago. And the log was preserved because of this charge differential that allows it to breathe but doesn't let water in. So basically, wood is a good substrate for these chemically bonded ceramics. And could you make the outside wood? Potentially. You could also put a different skin in the mold that makes it look like wood.

[01:43:25] Luke: Oh, right, right.

[01:43:26] Morgan: And give that in different ways.

[01:43:30] Luke: Cool, cool. All right, dear. Thank you so much for everything you do. Thanks for making the time to sit down with me. I never know. I travel to a new place sometimes. I'm like, "Hey, I'm this guy. I have a podcast." And it's like some people get it and are receptive and others don't. I never hear back from them. So I was like, "Yes, we're in." So thanks, again.

[01:43:46] Morgan: Yeah. Thank you, man. Really a pleasure to sit down and delve in together.