[00:00:53] Luke Storey: Tell me about the first supernatural experience you've had or [00:01:00] something that you've witnessed in your life.

[00:01:02] Melissa Tittl: Oof, the first? We gotta go way back.

[00:01:04] Luke Storey: Not the first one you had. The first one that comes to mind. Like, what was something that shook your reality to its core?

[00:01:12] Melissa Tittl: So I had this experience in Hathor's temple, uh, Temple of Dendera in Egypt.

[00:01:19] Melissa Tittl: Uh, I was working for Gaia at the time. Um, I used to be head of content, and I was there with Graham Hancock and his wife Santha, and we were doing some scouting for a film that w- film shoot we were gonna do. It's July. It's 120 degrees. No one is in this temple.

[00:01:37] Luke Storey: It's literally 120

[00:01:38] Melissa Tittl: degrees? Oh, yeah. It was like 100...

[00:01:38] Melissa Tittl: It was- It wasn't even like. It wasn't heat index. It was 120 degrees. Maybe it was like- Wow ... 119, but it was, it was disgustingly hot. So nobody was there. They were kind of still talk- He wanted to do this whole thing on the Zodiac, which is on the ceiling, uh, on the second floor. And I said, "You know, Gra- I just wanna walk around.

[00:01:57] Melissa Tittl: I love this temple. It's so beautiful." And [00:02:00] there's a Holy of Holies in the middle, and then around the Holy of Holies is these 13 rooms, and I, I went into one of the random rooms. Now, I can't read hieroglyphs. There's no artifacts there to mark what happens in each room. I just went into one. I put my hands on, uh, the wall, on one of the corners of the wall, and then I put my forehead, I, I don't know why I did this, but I put my forehead in between my hands.

[00:02:24] Melissa Tittl: And at this moment, I had all of this crazy energy come into my body, and it... The way that I explain it, it felt like every single emotion in the entire universe all at once. It wasn't good. It wasn't bad. It just was intense. And I was like, "Whoa." And I took my hands off of the wall and my forehead, and I was just like this, like, "Oh, my God.

[00:02:45] Melissa Tittl: What was that?" At that moment, the Egyptologist that we were with comes in and he's like, "Hey, where have you been?" And I'm like, "Oh, you know, I don't know. I thought it was, like, 10, 15 minutes," you know, me and my head against this, this wall. Apparently, I was missing [00:03:00] for, like, two hours.

[00:03:01] Luke Storey: Really?

[00:03:02] Melissa Tittl: And, um, they were really mad at me, of course, 'cause they thought I did it purposely.

[00:03:07] Melissa Tittl: Yeah, and, um, I didn't say anything, but I was like, "I don't know how to explain that experience." And even though I love talking about this stuff, and I'm super spiritual, and I lo- you know, I do all the things, meditation. I've, you know, gone on a bunch of journeys. I try to stay really pragmatic with my adventures because I want to be able to justify them 'cause it's kind of my job as a filmmaker.

[00:03:31] Melissa Tittl: So I didn't say anything. Uh, and then for every night for about two weeks, I had this intense dreams where, like, the hieroglyphs would come out of the wall and they'd turn into all these calculations. I have no idea what happened to me, but I knew if I was gonna start my own company, that I was gonna call it Hathor Studios, not because of the goddess, but because of that experience.

[00:03:52] Melissa Tittl: I cannot explain it to this day, and I thought, "Whatever that was, I wanna make sure I put that in my company."

[00:03:58] Luke Storey: Yeah. Yeah. [00:04:00] Yeah. That's really interesting. When you describe feeling every emotion at once, that's how I, however, um, poorly try to describe the 5-MeO-DMT experience, you know? It's like one of those things, you just...

[00:04:16] Luke Storey: It's, it's, like, silly to try to explain it because it's just beyond, but that's one of the ways that I've tried to explain that, you know, where it's just this overwhelming field of totality. Like

[00:04:30] Melissa Tittl: Yeah, you're like-

[00:04:31] Luke Storey: Everything, it's like the opposite of the void. You know? It's like if you could- Yeah ... flip the void and invert it, and rather than a void, it's everything all at once, all the time, that kind of feeling.

[00:04:42] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a lot. It's a lot.

[00:04:45] Luke Storey: I've never felt, um, personally drawn toward Egypt or going there or even learning much about it. Uh, my wife Alison, who you met, is, is, really wants to go to Egypt badly, so I'm, I'm [00:05:00] gearing up for that.

[00:05:00] Melissa Tittl: Hmm.

[00:05:01] Luke Storey: But one thing that is interesting about it to me is the stories that I've heard from people, the experiences they've had there, um, from people that I know and trust and I, I, you know, know that they're not dishonest or delusional, so you know?

[00:05:16] Luke Storey: Yeah. I trust the validity of their experience. Um, so for that reason- ... you know, I'm- You're

[00:05:23] Melissa Tittl: going.

[00:05:23] Luke Storey: Yeah. For, for that reason, I'm like- Sure ... I want to experience something like that. I mean, I've ha- I've heard people getting like blown across the, you know, the yard. Do you know, they f- they're like, they get blown by energy and like almost hurt themselves 'cause they got, you know, like flying through the air.

[00:05:40] Luke Storey: Just cr- crazy ass stuff that just-

[00:05:42] Melissa Tittl: That's crazy ...

[00:05:43] Luke Storey: defies explanation.

[00:05:45] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. I, I honestly think, this is what I tell my people when I do tours, is that I feel like we're in... You step into Egypt and tho- the ancient designers of that created this kind of mirrored universe. [00:06:00] And, um, we don't experience that, but for some reas- like when we're at home or just a normal everyday cities and stuff like that.

[00:06:08] Melissa Tittl: But there's something about the way that they, it's still operating, where you step into a place and y- and you're like fractaled, where you're in one of like a, like a fun house, and you're seeing all these versions of yourself all at once. So you have these past life memories, or you have some energy you've never been in contact with, good and bad, all at o- you know?

[00:06:30] Melissa Tittl: Mm-hmm. Like, all at once, like we were explaining. And, um, your brain tries to grab onto one of those things. Like I saw myself in a past life, or I felt this energy or did this. But- It's weird. It, it, it, one of the things that I try to, to get people to do is ground. Like do not try to fly out in space because when you step into these places, you're literally accessing every version of yourself that could ever have existed in the universe, and you've gotta make sure that the [00:07:00] right information is coming to you at this time, not just grabbing information.

[00:07:04] Luke Storey: Yeah, yeah.

[00:07:05] Melissa Tittl: And, uh, that's one of the things that I feel like I should be responsible for when we take people there. Like, okay, let's just ground. Ask the universe, "What am I supposed to know right now?" Instead of, "What's just coming to me?" Yeah, 'cause then you might get caught up and- Totally ... thrown across the room.

[00:07:19] Luke Storey: Totally. Totally. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing with going into any of the spiritual realms is it's, it's so easy to get distracted, right? There can be a lot of bells and whistles to those types of experiences that- Yeah ... kind of take you out of the essence of what there is to gain, you know?

[00:07:42] Melissa Tittl: Yeah, at that moment in time.

[00:07:43] Melissa Tittl: I mean, you have to think of like time, we're, we're calculating time, right? So we're in this moment expressing who we are. Like it, it, we're always trying... I- sometimes in the spiritual community we're always trying to jump time. We're trying to be like, "Okay, [00:08:00] well, I, I wanna know what's gonna happen in the future.

[00:08:02] Melissa Tittl: I wanna go back 'cause I wanna heal something." Which is great, but also we have to be not just in the present moment, but, but we're here to express something. We're here to contribute to the whole, and I think we're so easily wanting to go on a different timeline when this is the one we're supposed to bring all the information through.

[00:08:21] Melissa Tittl: And, uh, when you're in some place like Egypt, it's like, "Okay, well, what am I supposed to know right now? Like, what would be my gift coming here, getting this information that I could use right now in my 3D experience to bring into the world?" And, uh, yeah. That's what I think is so fascinating. I have to tell a funny...

[00:08:37] Melissa Tittl: Uh, not a funny story, but okay, so there's a temple I take everybody at like 5:00 in the morning. Everybody's sleep deprived. It's dark out. We go to Isis's temple, uh, the Temple of Philae, and it's on an island so everybody has to wake up at like 3:30, 4:00 in the morning 'cause we gotta take this tiny little boat.

[00:08:56] Melissa Tittl: It's dark. Everybody's like, "Ugh, I don't wanna go. [00:09:00] So tired. I haven't slept. I'm jet lagged," right? And it's like an Indiana Jones movie where we like pull up to this dark temple and, uh, I do this purposely. We go into the temple, into the Holy of Holies at, by the time we get there, 5:00 AM, so like 5:05. We, we pass through the gates of Isis's temple and then we go into the Holy of Holies, and there's still an altar there from the original temple.

[00:09:27] Melissa Tittl: And we do a meditation. Every time, there's about five people on that trip that get, um... They have, uh, they, they either lost a loved one, or they have, um, they have, like, uh, strange relationships. You know, like, people that they love that don't talk to them, or they have some miscommunication going on. We leave that temple, 'cause we watch the sun come up, and we have, like, a whole thing that we do, and then we, we leave the temple, and later that [00:10:00] day, every single one of those people either get a sign from somebody who has passed on, or they get a phone call from those people- Oh, wow

[00:10:07] Melissa Tittl: that they're estranged. One woman on my last trip, she hadn't talked to her son in three years, and he called her later that night, and she started crying. And he was like, "I was just thinking about you, and, uh, I, I wanna, I wanna talk. I wanna... I don't wanna, I don't wanna go on like this." And she's like, "He hasn't spoken to me in three years."

[00:10:27] Luke Storey: Wow.

[00:10:27] Melissa Tittl: So there's something with that temple specifically that connects us to all of our family, our, our, our personal relationships, that once you pass through the gates, it activates it, and every, all of those ancestors and the people living and the people that have passed on connect to you all at that moment in time.

[00:10:47] Melissa Tittl: A- I, I have n- I don't know how to explain that, but, but I can only explain it through people's personal experiences.

[00:10:52] Luke Storey: Yeah, yeah. That's wild. It's, um, it's really interesting how [00:11:00] With sacred sites and places that have rarefied energy like that, it's really difficult to explain them to someone who hasn't experienced it.

[00:11:14] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[00:11:14] Luke Storey: And also, w- just I think humans have a hard time believing in something that is not tangible, you know? It's kind of one of our, I don't know, one of our shortcomings, I think. It's like no one has an issue, like, with your cellphone. You can do FaceTime to someone across the world, right? And we're like, "Oh, yeah, that's just normal."

[00:11:36] Luke Storey: We just get acclimated to it. It's like, well, how is that actually happening? 'Cause you can't see that, right? Yeah. It's like that's not the real person, yet there they are. So we have so much evidence of kind of the unseen realms in different ways, but it's so difficult for many of us to kind of buy into it unless it really smacks us upside the head like that.

[00:11:59] Luke Storey: Yeah. Where you're like, "Oh, [00:12:00] my son called me for the first time in three years."

[00:12:01] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[00:12:02] Luke Storey: Something is happening because I'm in this specific space. So there's that, and then also it's like- W- why do we have to go to Machu Picchu or to Egypt to have these experiences? It seems like the way we build things and kind of the infrastructure of society is not built around that goal at all.

[00:12:26] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm. You know, you have to go to an ancient cathedral or some sacred site. It's like, why, why can't each of our houses be its own sacred site, you know? Yeah. Which is what we're always trying to do here within the confines of a drywall box, you know what I mean? It's like, how can we create that kind of healing energy and that coherence in a space?

[00:12:44] Luke Storey: Um, have you heard of these, uh, uh, homes called, uh, geoships?

[00:12:49] Melissa Tittl: I have, yeah.

[00:12:50] Luke Storey: Oh my God. I, I-

[00:12:51] Melissa Tittl: I haven't been in one. Have you

[00:12:52] Luke Storey: been

[00:12:52] Melissa Tittl: in one?

[00:12:52] Luke Storey: Oh, yeah, they had a little model one. I did a podcast in one, uh, with their CEO, uh, last summer out in Nevada City, [00:13:00] and, you know, there's a few things like that popping up, but I just...

[00:13:04] Luke Storey: I'm like, "When is humanity gonna catch up and that just becomes the norm? Why wouldn't everyone want to live in something like a geoship?" It's a... I mean, they're amazing. It's like being inside a crystal, you know, 'cause it's like they use this stuff called, um, bioceramics, and it's essentially, like, ground-up minerals and crystals, so you're, like, inside a crystal.

[00:13:23] Luke Storey: But because it has that shape, there's just a way that the energy and even sound moves around it. Oh, yeah. Sounds very unique in there. Oh, my God. Yeah. You know? And they're als- also, shout out to Geoship, they're mold-proof. You know, they can't grow mold 'cause there's no substrate for the mold to grow on. Um, they're, I wouldn't say EMF-proof, but definitely have, uh, the capacity to deflect a lot of the radiation coming at them, and you can't burn them down.

[00:13:53] Luke Storey: Uh, they're fireproof, and they are built to last 4 or 500 years. You know [00:14:00] what I mean? It's like-

[00:14:01] Melissa Tittl: Yeah, why aren't we making all of our houses that way?

[00:14:03] Luke Storey: Exactly.

[00:14:04] Melissa Tittl: You know what's fully funny about... I, I just did, like, a little thing on this, um- 'cause some of my documentary is about geometry shapes. But you know, just like really simple things if you think about it.

[00:14:15] Melissa Tittl: Like most of our living as humans 12,000 years ago was mostly round. You know, shaped like a dome. Yeah. You know? Well, I mean- Yeah ... the GeoShip is, is a round container. But you know, huts, kivas, uh, you know, most of s- human civilization was building kind of these round structures that we would live in. And, and the idea was that it was a communal living space.

[00:14:39] Melissa Tittl: That you didn't divide, uh, the kitchen area to the sleeping area. It was, it was, it was all, like the energy was all kind of swirling around in one space. Mm-hmm. And it wasn't bouncing. So t- uh, about 10, uh, 12,000 years ago w- we started creating civilizations and agriculture, and, um, there was this idea, like let's [00:15:00] shove a bunch of people into square boxes because we can get more people in one space, but then we can also take a house, a living s- space, and separate jobs.

[00:15:09] Melissa Tittl: So kitchen square, living square. Right. And now we're separating people into jobs and situations and, and that's how we're gonna stay. So w- the original design for humans was to live into this kind of circular- communal understanding and pattern. There was no separation. And we created that because, you know, well, it's better for space, and then people know what their jobs are and, you know, all of this.

[00:15:33] Melissa Tittl: And it's funny, I mean, that's just the simple explanation of, like, the shape of something and how it, it, it creates separation of separation of just separation. Yeah, so it- y- we've gotten to this point where I can't... Like, having a roundhouse is, is sort of weird,

[00:15:49] Luke Storey: right? Yeah.

[00:15:49] Melissa Tittl: I mean, there's not many people that live in a round house, right?

[00:15:53] Melissa Tittl: They- it's- Yeah ... everybody has a square house.

[00:15:55] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:15:55] Melissa Tittl: Uh, it s- so it, it's weird. It's like we're at this point now where there's so much information [00:16:00] coming, and, and we're returning back to, well, this clearly is, is nice, but it's not working. And, uh, we're at that moment now. And, and it... Okay, so you're saying about the geoship.

[00:16:12] Melissa Tittl: That totally makes sense. You know? All the things that we're complaining about, the mold, uh, the material of the house, the EMF, uh, the house burning down, all of that, and here, here's a design that takes care of all that, and we're still like, "Well, I don't know," like, "Uh, where are we gonna fit that?" You know?

[00:16:27] Luke Storey: Totally. Totally. Yeah. Well, I, I put a deposit on one, uh, just to kind of set that in motion, right, as a vision. And, um, I mean, w- it wasn't a huge deposit, thankfully, but, um, I didn't ask my wife, you know? I was just, like, online. I'm about to do the interview. I'm like, "I want one of these things. Fuck it," you know?

[00:16:46] Luke Storey: And then I told her, and she's like, "I... You know, maybe we should discuss this. I don't know if I wanna live in a dome. I gotta, like, go hang out in one." So we went and hung, hung out in it, you know, and I was like, "So what do you think? You ready?" You know? It, it was a smaller one, and she's [00:17:00] like, um... She did like the energy in there, but it's really, what's interesting about it, um, as I mentioned, is the sound.

[00:17:08] Luke Storey: I mean, the one we were in didn't have carpets and things like that, so the sound was very bouncy. Mm. And I think I was acutely aware of it because we're recording, and you're always, like, mindful of sound as you know when you're shooting something. Um, but the, the echo was kind of trippy, you know? Oh, yeah.

[00:17:25] Luke Storey: It was like, it really reverberates. It's like you're inside the body of a guitar or a drum or something, you know? So it's like, that's what I realized. You'd have to really kind of work with some way to dampen the sound, which might just, you know, could be a bunch of rugs. But yeah, the, it's, it's an example of how conditioned we are to live in a boxed life, that it seems radical.

[00:17:49] Luke Storey: But this is, like, the thing I'm always thinking with, um, we have, like, grocery stores that are called a health food store. And we have like a designation for organic [00:18:00] food or conventional food. Everything's inverted, right? Yeah. It's like conventional food is organic food. All food stores should be a health food store, you know?

[00:18:09] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[00:18:09] Luke Storey: It's like, but we just get acclimated to these things, and they just become normal, and then something that is actually more true and natural is the outlier, such as living, you know, inside a dome.

[00:18:22] Melissa Tittl: Yeah, we've gotten so far from that. Uh, uh, yeah, uh, just because I've covered so many, uh, shows on ancient civilizations, people are always like, "How did they know where that star was and to align it perfectly?"

[00:18:35] Melissa Tittl: I mean, it is amazing and mind-blowing. Like, how did they align that star at that moment in time to open up the door and, you know, you know, do whatever pattern it's supposed to do on the back of the ritual table? But you gotta think- Those people were so in touch naturally, their body, their mind, the consciousness of that civilization was so in tune with the universe itself [00:19:00] that it was unnatural not to know where the energy spots were.

[00:19:03] Luke Storey: Right,

[00:19:04] Melissa Tittl: right. We have to do all this work to be like, "Okay, well, what kind of technology can prove that the what I feel is really happening?"

[00:19:10] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm,

[00:19:10] Melissa Tittl: mm-hmm. But back then you have to think of they knew where to build that temple because this was the moment. I mean, uh, I'll just go back to Egypt, because I spent so many ti- much time there, but there's a, there's a goddess on it, it, at, at marking of the inside of the temple.

[00:19:25] Melissa Tittl: When you walk in, she's always there. Her name's Seshat. She's got a seven-pointed star above her head, and she has these two things that look like dowsing rods, and she marks where the energy point of that temple is always. And so the idea was the priests or the priestesses or whoever decided to build the temple said, "I worked with Seshat, and she told me this was the energetic point, this was the cross point of which I need to create the doorway into the temple."

[00:19:55] Melissa Tittl: So that was just natural.

[00:19:57] Luke Storey: Yeah,

[00:19:58] Melissa Tittl: yeah. We were, like, dumbfounded. [00:20:00] We're like, "God, how did they do it?" You know, if we ever figure out how they built the Great Pyramid, it might be just somebody, uh, was meditating and lifted up some rocks through sound and put it in there. We're like, "Oh, so great." And it, you know, maybe we'll have that technology, you know, at

[00:20:15] Luke Storey: some point.

[00:20:15] Luke Storey: It's like people that can bend spoons- Yeah ... times a, a trillion. You know what I mean? Someone's like, "Vroom," you know, moving the- ... the giant boulder in place. The thing, uh, y- and I wanna, I wanna talk about your film because it was fucking awesome. But, um, when it comes to these sacred sites and all of this technology that we can't explain, one thing I, you know, I'm sure and I'm, I'm not alone in this, that has always perplexed me is what happened?

[00:20:48] Luke Storey: Like, what shut that down, right? What I really got from your film, uh, you know, there's a lot of kind of messages embedded within it, but one is that there were times in [00:21:00] human history where we were more intuitively tapped in and w- w- were integrated to nature and were able to, you know, build these amazing sacred sites and cas- cathedrals and, you know, like at some point, uh, you know, there's cathedrals all over the world that have these bells, right?

[00:21:17] Luke Storey: Even little, every town center had a bell, which is of course like frequency, right?

[00:21:21] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[00:21:22] Luke Storey: And then all the bells were removed, and then, you know, all of these sites were buried maybe by some natural cataclysm. But it seems like there's a major There's like a cutoff point where access to this type of information and this life way was kind of erased from history.

[00:21:43] Luke Storey: There's so many gaps in the official narrative of history, even in Egypt. I mean, I'm, I'm not an expert by any stretch, but- Mm ... I've met more people like you that are kind of coming at it from, um, a certain lens, and then you have the kind of the gatekeepers of the official narrative or the [00:22:00] official history.

[00:22:00] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[00:22:01] Luke Storey: And there's often conflicts with those. So I'm wondering if you've kind of narrowed down, like who did it? When did it happen? Like- ... how did we get where we are when we used to be somewhere seemingly more advanced in so many ways?

[00:22:16] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. Uh, God, I wish I had someone to blame. It's so much easier-

[00:22:21] Luke Storey: I

[00:22:21] Melissa Tittl: know

[00:22:21] Melissa Tittl: if you could just find one person who did all of this.

[00:22:24] Luke Storey: Yeah, yeah.

[00:22:24] Melissa Tittl: We could just sleep at night. Uh, I, I... You know, um, Dr. Sue Mortar actually has a great line in the film where she said there was a level of consciousness that was celebrated across the world, and for some reason it just stopped. And- It's

[00:22:40] Luke Storey: like someone turned the lights

[00:22:41] Melissa Tittl: off

[00:22:41] Melissa Tittl: it's like someone turned the lights off.

[00:22:42] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:22:43] Melissa Tittl: I, I, so I think it's a, it's a multiple of things. I think that there was a cataclysm. Uh, there's a lot of people that talk about this, uh, specifically Graham Hancock talks about, um, like a meteorite hitting the planet and causing this, uh, you know, maybe like kinda the story of Atlantis.

[00:22:57] Melissa Tittl: There was this massive flood all over the planet [00:23:00] and, um, it, it caused a lot of instability And I, so I think that something like that happened, and that caused all of these civilizations that really trusted nature to not trust nature anymore.

[00:23:14] Luke Storey: Oh, interesting.

[00:23:15] Melissa Tittl: And, uh, this is just my belief, um, just given all the different pockets of research and people's stuff that I've read and put together into some of the shows I've written.

[00:23:25] Melissa Tittl: And because of that, they've created these logical systems, logical- Mm-hmm ... that then could control nature. Let's just go back to the house, the situation.

[00:23:36] Luke Storey: Right.

[00:23:36] Melissa Tittl: Right. We, we, we had these round-shaped houses that were fitting into nature, and we're like, "No, we're gonna control nature." Uh, it's harder with sound.

[00:23:47] Melissa Tittl: You were saying that those geo ships are harder with sound.

[00:23:49] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm.

[00:23:49] Melissa Tittl: Uh, but it's harder to control temperature in a round space. It's easier to control temperature in a square space, right? So I think the idea was, we don't trust [00:24:00] nature anymore, so all that stuff, even the feminine stuff, we gotta get rid of that, you know?

[00:24:04] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. We can't have that. Yeah. We can't trust that, because look what it did to us. So we're gonna create systems and thought processes to control nature, disconnecting us from the natural processes that we're talking about. I think that's, I think that's what happened, and then it turned into a way to transition spirituality into religion, which then gave us rules and laws to live by, otherwise nature would get out of control and come back and get us, right?

[00:24:31] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[00:24:31] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:24:31] Melissa Tittl: Like, you know the, the God from the Old Testament or Zeus, you know? If you humans don't... If you keep doing this, we're gonna come down and get you, you know? So it's the whole, the idea of like, well, we gotta... Now we have to do this framework stuff. We have to follow all the laws and processes, otherwise nature's gonna get out of control, and we're gonna, we're all gonna perish again.

[00:24:51] Melissa Tittl: And I, I feel like that's what happened because you're right. It, it, it feels like someone turned the lights off, but I think it was a survival thing. [00:25:00] And, uh,

[00:25:01] Luke Storey: and then- That's a pretty, that's an optimistic point of view, you know? I mean, it, it makes sense. I think I'm always just, you know, looking for the bad guy.

[00:25:10] Luke Storey: That's part of human nature, right? If we could just figure out who the baddies are, then we can prevent them from doing this thing again, right? It's like if there's this- Yeah. Well,

[00:25:19] Melissa Tittl: okay, okay, so, so maybe that, uh, let's just say Melissa knows the truth, right? Which, uh, we'll just, we'll just play along with this little game.

[00:25:30] Melissa Tittl: Let's say that all happens. Well, then you're gonna have people that are going to want to capitalize on that, because people are afraid. Somebody says, "You know what we should do? We should try to control nature." And everyone's like, "Oh, how do we do that?" And then somebody's like, "Boom, I got an idea, and I'm gonna take over this whole conversation," right?

[00:25:49] Melissa Tittl: I mean, yes, so there has to be somebody. And then that, that turns into secret societies and, and, and, and, uh, different groups. I mean, a lot of people talk about this thing called [00:26:00] mystery schools in Egypt, and, you know, it was this, like, secret thing, and then you got invited to being part of it. Uh, but mystery schools were, uh...

[00:26:08] Melissa Tittl: Christianity started to take hold of, of ancient Egypt, and they weren't really allowed to practice what they already knew, so there was a pocket of people that were like, "Well, we're still gonna do all of our weird connection to nature stuff, and we're not gonna tell anybody," and that was the mystery school.

[00:26:24] Melissa Tittl: So it wasn't like in ancient Egypt there was a mystery school. No, the mystery school was because those people still wanted to, like, practice connecting back to nature where everybody else was living in fear of, of, of the wrath of God, uh- Right. Right ... and wanting to come through. So, you know, you're always gonna find people are gonna capitalize on consciousness, and that's happening today.

[00:26:46] Melissa Tittl: You know, uh, this idea that there's a war on consciousness. There's a war on what's authentic, and we're returning back to that. We're returning back to the idea of, like, the mystery school. The mystery school is just returning back to our original state of being [00:27:00] connected to nature

[00:27:05] Luke Storey: I used to think burnout was just the price you had to pay for being productive. Then I found something that helps me stay focused for as long as I need without feeling smoked afterward. It's called NuCalm. It uses a neuroacoustic software to help shift out of fight or flight and into deep recovery in, like, ten minutes.

[00:27:23] Luke Storey: And the cool thing is there's no gadgets to buy or haul around. You just throw on headphones, open the app, and within minutes, you start to downshift or upshift if that's what you're looking for. I've been busy writing a book for the past couple years, and it's one of the most mentally demanding things I've ever done.

[00:27:37] Luke Storey: I'm talking hours and hours of deep focus, revisiting old memories, and organizing a ton of ideas. So before I start a writing session, I'll use one of their flow state tracks to get me into zen. Then I'll lock in with a focus track for the next few hours of writing. And I'll tell you what, my wife can attest to this.

[00:27:55] Luke Storey: When I have those headphones on, it's literally impossible to distract me. I'm like a [00:28:00] machine. Then afterward, I'll use Recharge or Rescue to help my brain and body recover from hours of intense work. Just twenty minutes of that feels like a full nervous system reset, and NuCalm science supports that. I highly recommend you check out NuCalm, and here's how you do it.

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[00:28:40] Luke Storey: And whether or not you buy it, I highly recommend you at least give yourself seven days for free. Beautiful. So, uh, over the years, I've seen... I'm a big documentary fan, you know? It's, I feel like if I'm not learning something, I'm kind of wasting my time. I don't- I don't know. [00:29:00] I guess entertainment has its place, but I always, I don't really read fiction.

[00:29:05] Luke Storey: I don't watch a lot of, you know, um, kind of scripted shows and movies and things like that. I'm just like, I want more reality. A lot of the films in your genre aren't very well produced. You know what I mean? It's like, I mean, right, they don't have budgets. I mean, it's not like the people aren't talented, so I'm always walking into something like that with low expectations, just in terms of, I don't know, production value and a cohesive message.

[00:29:36] Luke Storey: And, uh, you know, we went and saw the screening of your film, Illusion, last night, and I was, like, glued to the seat. I just loved it. It was so aligned for me in terms of just kind of my understanding of reality and what this life is all about, and it was also just really, I don't know, it was educational and super funny.

[00:29:59] Luke Storey: It was [00:30:00] just really well done. So kudos for- ... making a film in a genre that's kind of, you know, difficult to do well for various reasons.

[00:30:08] Melissa Tittl: Oh, thank you. Yeah,

[00:30:09] Luke Storey: it was... I mean, it was really great.

[00:30:11] Melissa Tittl: It's so hard making a film. It's painful. It's like this, uh- This, this birthing process, uh, you know, like, uh, like the dark night of the soul, like, is, uh, usually in edit, and you're like, "This is the worst film ever."

[00:30:27] Melissa Tittl: And you go through a whole crisis- Yeah ... and, uh, you know, you come out. It's like a spiritual journey.

[00:30:34] Luke Storey: How, how long did it take from start to finish?

[00:30:37] Melissa Tittl: About a year and a half.

[00:30:38] Luke Storey: Really?

[00:30:39] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[00:30:39] Luke Storey: Wow. When I was watching it, I thought, "This must have taken her five years."

[00:30:43] Melissa Tittl: Oh, no. And I was late. There's so much travel involved too.

[00:30:47] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. Oh, yeah, so much travel. I, I, I literally... We were in, like, six different countries or something like that. Yeah, I think so. Uh, I did it all in a month. And, uh, my, my husband was like- That's nuts ... I, I said, "You can come with, and you can [00:31:00] be my, um, behind-the-scenes person." And there was one moment where we had just gotten in at midnight, and I had to get up at 3:00 for Stonehenge, 'cause I wanted to be there right...

[00:31:11] Melissa Tittl: 'Cause we had rented out all of Stonehenge to film, and I wanted to be there right when the sun was coming up, and it was gonna be a clear day, which is impossible in the UK, to get no clouds. Yeah. And, uh, there was one moment my husband was like... Okay, he's like, "That's it. I quit. This is too, this is too, this is, the schedule is too crazy."

[00:31:31] Melissa Tittl: But yeah. I was, I, uh, was supposed to be done with it in December, and, um, and that was still late, but yeah. I, you know, I, I kinda had to go through, um... Besides making a film is difficult, uh, the, the things that, that I was presenting in that film, it was weird. The universe wanted me to embody those things that I was saying in there on such a deep way that it, it just wouldn't [00:32:00] finish until I was actually embodying those messages that I was saying in the film.

[00:32:07] Melissa Tittl: And not that, like, I would make a film and be, like, not embody the message or say, you know, just say things- Mm-hmm ... just to put in a film. But it was, um- It was really weird. I, there's one moment where I'm like, "What is up w- with... Why can't I finish this film?" And there's this moment I realize it's my energy.

[00:32:25] Melissa Tittl: It was my energy that needed to change in this trajectory. I won't give away, like, the whole film, but at the end, there's a personal moment where I, I say, you know, "There's nobody against me." You know? This is me. This, this, this is... I'm now realizing that all of my struggles and the things that I'm, uh, bumping up against are, I'm creating, and then creating a resistance, and then creating a story on top of it.

[00:32:51] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:32:51] Melissa Tittl: And I know that that's so cliche, because everyone talks about that. But there was this moment in the film where I like r- really, really got it, and I'm like, "Oh, okay." [00:33:00] And then, and then the film went. We finally were able to, like, finish the film within a month.

[00:33:03] Luke Storey: Well, I got that too toward the end, you know?

[00:33:06] Luke Storey: I mean, I like to think I've worked pretty hard on myself, and I've definitely evolved, uh, a lot in this lifetime. I started from such a low place. Yeah. There's a lot of contrast, you know? Yeah. So it's like, okay, I'm doing all right. But toward the end, you know, just this idea, again, you know, like you said, it's like, oh, we create our own reality, right?

[00:33:26] Luke Storey: Yeah, yeah. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's true, you know? And that's the thing that hit me at the end. I was like... 'Cause I find myself la- I just finished a big project myself, writing a book that was just never, it just would never end, you know? Mm. Until I was, like, two weeks past my final, final, final deadline, and then I had no choice but to end, right?

[00:33:44] Luke Storey: But in that process, um, of watching the, the film, especially toward the end, I could see, oh, wow, a lot of this, what I experience as overwhelm and stress just 'cause I'm very productive person, I take a lot on, I, I, you [00:34:00] know, kind of have a lot of moonshots in life, right? I was like, dude, I'm literally just creating overwhelm and stress because of how I'm holding what I'm doing, right?

[00:34:11] Luke Storey: It's, it's not that I'm doing too much or I have too many demands- Yeah ... upon myself. It's that, not all the time, but at times I'm viewing my life and my work from a place of victimhood, in a sense, right? It's like, oh, why do I have to do all this, you know? It's like, dude, you signed up for it. You know? You decided to come here and jump in a human body and have this experience for a reason.

[00:34:36] Luke Storey: Yeah. And you're, you know, doing your best to live your purpose, and guess what? Like, that means you're gonna be pushing up against your own self-doubt and perfectionism, and all the things that make what you're doing stressful are coming from within. It's, in other words, like, it's not exogenous stress, it's how I'm- Yeah

[00:34:55] Luke Storey: responding or reacting to what I have on my plate on any given day, you [00:35:00] know? So I had that moment at the end, too. I was like, oh, man. I, I'm pretty aware of a lot of this stuff, and at the same time it's like there's always room for improvement. I go, I'm over here, like... I think most people that know me, uh, well, they would probably say, "Oh, Luke's a super chill guy.

[00:35:15] Luke Storey: He's super zen. He's very happy, like, you know, meditating for freaking ever." But inside my experience oftentimes, there's a lot more stress and anxiety going on, um, that no one will probably have any idea about except my wife, you know? 'Cause sh- she hears me stomping around. "Fuck, oh," you know? It's like, oh my God, we really do.

[00:35:39] Luke Storey: It's so much About our perception. Like, that's the thing I keep coming up against, right? Is like there's... You could look at the world that we're in today as just absolute abject hell and suffering and just evil everywhere, right? Yeah. Yet at the same time, people like you are making films that are [00:36:00] successful because there's so many people that are waking up at the same time, you know.

[00:36:05] Luke Storey: So what's the difference between, like, an NPC that's completely unconscious and suffering and creating their own demise versus someone who's living in a state of absolute bliss? They're living in the same world objectively, but their subjective experience is light-years apart solely because they've learned how to master their own, as you would say, shape or energy.

[00:36:26] Luke Storey: You know? It's like no one out there is changing my frequency. I'm allowing it to be changed because my own internal coherence and integrity is not strong enough to withstand those inputs.

[00:36:39] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[00:36:39] Luke Storey: So I was having a little moment at the end too. I was like, "Am I really living this or not?" You know? So it's, like, very empowering, I think, in that way.

[00:36:48] Luke Storey: The way that you did the film, there's all this information about the nature of reality and, and how we fit into it. It's like, okay, that's great, but what do we do? Like, how do I improve my [00:37:00] experience so that I can be a net positive while I'm here on this earth plane?

[00:37:06] Melissa Tittl: Yeah, and, um, one of the things, uh... I talked to Matias afterwards.

[00:37:13] Melissa Tittl: Um, everybody who's in this film, nobody knew what the film was about, and, uh, they had never watched it. This is a, this is their first time watching this film with all of you.

[00:37:24] Luke Storey: That's so funny. I love that.

[00:37:26] Melissa Tittl: And, uh, first of all, I wanna say, I love that they trusted me, but they were sorta like, "I have no idea what this film's about."

[00:37:32] Melissa Tittl: And then afterwards, um, they were like, "I loved it. This is great." Um, Matias said, "You know, being unconscious is just as important as being conscious because it does create what the shape is that you are trying to project in the world." I mean, like all the, um... Me too, like all that anxiety you feel is this, like, ugh, there, there's still space there that you're...

[00:37:58] Melissa Tittl: You're right. You're, you're, you're [00:38:00] letting something else come in and influence you instead of you being strong enough and whatever that critique is about yourself. And, uh, when you do a lot of work on yourself, there's always that moment you're like, "Okay, I'm ready," you know? Like, "I got it," and it literally, it's the next five minutes, you're like, "Eh, maybe I don't got it."

[00:38:21] Luke Storey: Totally.

[00:38:22] Melissa Tittl: Okay, there's- Totally ... there's a little room where I have to, have to work on that. Uh, I, I think it's, um Yeah, I, the, I, I, I have this, um... There was moments in this film where I w- I would, I had to, like, pull back because I don't wanna say the things that I feel inside, which are, there's a lot of, um, terms, like people say, like, "Be kind," or, "Just be happy," or, "Have happy thoughts."

[00:38:50] Melissa Tittl: And, uh, you know, all this kind of stuff. Which is true, but to get there, it, it, it, there's like we're, we're jumping to the [00:39:00] conclusion of, "Okay, just be happy. Have happy thoughts. You know, be in the moment." Like, uh, you know, I take Dr. Joe Dispenza's movie Source. Uh, be present, like, you know, go through the emotions, live those emotions.

[00:39:12] Melissa Tittl: All that is true 'cause it gets you there faster, but we still have to embody those moments where we feel the anxiety because we have to know why we feel that anxiety. What is it that's empty inside that we have to figure out? And then you're gonna have a much stronger projection when you get to, uh, that moment where you're like, "Okay, I'm ready to feel those emotions.

[00:39:32] Melissa Tittl: I'm ready to have that happy thought. This is real. This is authentic. This is deep inside of me." Um, and there's a lot of, I think, in the spiritual community, there's a lot of people kinda trying to fake it till you make it, which works. Does work. Kinda gets you in a better state. But, uh, it just, just my own journey with this film, there were some things that I was nervous about, like, that I wasn't sure about, and, and it, it re- it was so weird.

[00:39:55] Melissa Tittl: I, I was like, "Come on, I just wanna finish this film." It was like, "No, no. You [00:40:00] are not ready to say these things-" Mm ... because they are not coming from you that you are saying that they are."

[00:40:11] Luke Storey: Right. Right.

[00:40:14] Melissa Tittl: Uh, and so it's just... I can say that, but I had to, like, live that to just finish the film, and it is just so crazy.

[00:40:23] Melissa Tittl: I hope I'm, I hope I'm making sense here.

[00:40:25] Luke Storey: Totally. Well, it's like, um, yeah, I think- For many of us that are on this path, there's like a fantasy of collective utopia. We look at, you know, we, we surmise what it might've been like in Atlantis or Egypt and these ancient cultures where we kind of idealize them in a way where everyone was enlightened, right?

[00:40:54] Luke Storey: And so we, we kind of have this craving to experience a [00:41:00] world wherein everyone is at a higher level of consciousness, right? And there's just, you know, less suffering, less violence, less evil, but also within ourselves. But it's like the thing I wrestle with, well, not so much, I think I've kind of surrendered to this, is that we need the contrast of this duality in order to have something to push up against, right?

[00:41:24] Luke Storey: Like, if, if I didn't have the capacity to be violent and evil, then how would I have anywhere to get to, right? It's like if we lived in a utopian, you know, celestial realm here on Earth, then it's like, how would we learn anything? How would we evolve if there was not a lower place to begin with, right?

[00:41:46] Luke Storey: Yeah. It's like in my own life, I think- Because I've lived in such l- low consciousness for so many years and, you know, just experienced so much suffering and probably caused a lot of it too, [00:42:00] it's like now I know I don't want that, so what do I want? I want this thing over here. But if everything was love and light and bliss and all, you know, like-

[00:42:11] Melissa Tittl: You wouldn't appreciate it

[00:42:12] Luke Storey: like, why would we need to be here, I guess is what I'm saying, right? Yep. We, we wouldn't need to be in a physical experience in a physical body. We would just be in some etheric realm or in another dimension that was outside of this kind of visible light spectrum, right? Um, and maybe that's where we go when we die.

[00:42:29] Luke Storey: Who knows, right? I mean, I know many people, uh, like Jerry, you know, has had a near-death experience and, and psychedelic experiences. You can go somewhere that isn't here, but it's just as real as here, and in those places, it seems to be outside of the duality, right? Mm. It's like the closer you get to source, the less contrast there is.

[00:42:50] Luke Storey: But then how do you evolve and move forward as a soul if there's nothing to push up against?

[00:42:55] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[00:42:55] Luke Storey: It's like we kind of need the collective suffering and darkness so that we can [00:43:00] make the climb, and it's been my experience that in my own life it's the same way.

[00:43:04] Melissa Tittl: Mm.

[00:43:04] Luke Storey: So if I didn't, you know, if I wasn't asking myself questions at the end of your film like, "Oh, yeah, I need to work on that a little bit.

[00:43:10] Luke Storey: Yeah, I'm still falling a little short," then if I was already there, there's nowhere to get to, I guess is what I'm saying, you know? Yeah. So the thing that I'm always kind of trying to balance is accepting that the world and this reality is exactly how it's supposed to be at this moment.

[00:43:27] Melissa Tittl: Mm-hmm.

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[00:45:23] Luke Storey: So the thing I'm, I guess, always trying to, um, find a balance with is acknowledging the darkness in the world, the darkness within my own self as this is what's necessary for us to be able to come here and have this experience. In other words, if the world was any other way than what it is, it wouldn't be the same school.

[00:45:49] Luke Storey: Like, if this is a school, well, there needs to be challenges, right? There has to be really hard tests. I think that's the difficult thing for some of us on the spiritual path to accept, is that the spiritual [00:46:00] path is probably the rockiest path. I think just going to Walmart, you know, coming home, watching sitcoms or football or whatever, you know, just living a life where you're not paying attention to the greater reality, um, is probably easier in many ways than-

[00:46:16] Melissa Tittl: Oh, yeah

[00:46:17] Luke Storey: trying to wake up, 'cause you wake up to everything. You're not just waking up to love and light and bliss. It's like you're waking up to the shadow within self, the collective shadow, the, the, you know, 10 people that control this world that are pretty much, um, mostly nefarious. You know? So it's like, wow, how do you take all of that in?

[00:46:40] Luke Storey: So I don't know if there's a question in there, but, like, how do you reconcile, I don't know, the, the duality, the contrast, the, the good and evil paradigm that we're in And, and work your way through it, uh, with some optimism and, and trust that it's the way it's [00:47:00] supposed to be?

[00:47:01] Melissa Tittl: I mean, that's a great question.

[00:47:03] Melissa Tittl: I mean, one of the things that I, I feel like we get hung up on is the story, whether it's our own story, whether it's the commun- it's the community story, the collective story, the civilization story, it's a story. Uh, and that's what we're so good at. We love telling stories, uh, to ourselves, to other people.

[00:47:22] Melissa Tittl: But, uh, you know, in this film, I, I really wanted to kinda strip that away, and I wanted to look at it from a different angle. And I really wanted to focus on, uh, what could constitute reality if I took away the story. And, um, one of the things that we really focus on on this documentary is these geomet- relic geometry patterns in the universe.

[00:47:45] Melissa Tittl: And according to some of the physicists that we talked to, and quantum physicists, and, you know, different doctors, these relic geometries are what we download and then turn into a story. Um, so, you know, at the root of it, it's just [00:48:00] geometry, okay? Well, we kinda, you know... Like, we love that story, right? 'Cause it's like sacred geometry.

[00:48:05] Melissa Tittl: But the thing with geometries is they're not all sacred. You're downloading all sorts of- Oh, okay. Right ... if this is true, right? If this is true, if the whole universe from the beginning of the Big Bang is relic geometry patterns that then has turned into consciousness experiences that you're downloading and turning into a story because of your beliefs, there's all sorts of geometry out there.

[00:48:27] Melissa Tittl: It's not just beautiful patterns and connections. Yes, we have all of this in ancient sites because they wanted to make sure they were connected to something coherent, but you're downloading decoherent geometry patterns, uh, that, and that's where you get this, uh, you know, not always love and light. You're having all these different feelings.

[00:48:47] Melissa Tittl: Sometimes I think it's easier for people to visualize what their thoughts actually look like. If I'm having a decoherent thought Then think about your decoherent [00:49:00] thought is like a r- an, an ob- you know, a strange geometry shape that's not coherent versus a coherent thought. I am grateful. I lo- I, I'm in love.

[00:49:09] Melissa Tittl: I love what I'm doing. I love myself. I, I'm so happy. Right? Coherent, beautiful sacred geometry. But then there's all these other ones that are being downloaded. The gift of humanity is not to find love. You know, we have this thing. We've gotta, we've gotta... It's all about love. We gotta find love. Well, love feels so much better.

[00:49:31] Melissa Tittl: But we have this gift. We are translating the very relet geometries that made all of this universe through our h- human bodies into a 3D experience. We have a lot of power. Y- you always hear this. You know, you're the director of your own movie. You're the writer of your own script. Well, you are... That's exactly right.

[00:49:51] Melissa Tittl: You're actually turning the universe into a story, and you get to do that. You have so much power, and it's really... [00:50:00] You know, if you think about this, if you strip away your experience and how you wanna live a better life, just think about how proud the universe is that you're just translating anything, you know?

[00:50:10] Melissa Tittl: If... Okay, let's just, let's put this into a story, a human story. There's this universe. We have no idea who started it. We have no idea who pressed the button, and then it was like, boom. You know, Big Bang. Everything now is here. Whoever that person is has created this world that you get to translate, and so it created all of the, the things that are, that feel bad as well as the things that feel good.

[00:50:36] Melissa Tittl: And it, it wants to see what you're gonna translate, right? So here it is proud of you that you're translating anything. And you're thinking, "Well, now I'm a victim of this world and these people and this situation," and all of that. And, and the universe is like, "No, you've just decided to translate this really bad situation."

[00:50:56] Melissa Tittl: D- uh, that doesn't mean that, um, you deserve it or any of [00:51:00] that, you know? That's just a story that then becomes your belief system, uh, and how you see the world and your perception. But if you think about that, if you just strip away the story and you think of that like, "Okay, yeah, I ha- do have all this power," those moments when you have all that anxiety and those feelings that are like, ugh, if you, if you could stop for a second and think, "Okay, well, I'm, the universe is proud of me because I'm translating some strange geometry shape that, that this cr- this creator, this architect decided to just make."

[00:51:33] Melissa Tittl: But I kinda don't wanna do that right now. I wanna change that. I wanna have a, a, a coherent experience at this moment in time. And so I don't know. I like the idea of stripping away the story and just cr- and then, and like bringing it down to the bare bones of everything's just geometry. Uh, uh, I think it, it allows, um, for a deeper reflection on what's really happening instead of it being bad or good, you know, creating a, a [00:52:00] dichotomy all the time.

[00:52:00] Melissa Tittl: I mean, 'cause we love that, you know? E- even storytelling and making movies, right? Yeah. You gotta come up with a bad guy.

[00:52:06] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:52:07] Melissa Tittl: Because then there's a hero, right? Yeah. Then we're on a hero's journey, and then somebody wins and somebody loses, and we're all happy about that. Yeah. We're like, "Yeah. Yes."

[00:52:15] Luke Storey: Well, there can't be a hero without a villain.

[00:52:17] Luke Storey: Right,

[00:52:17] Melissa Tittl: exactly. It's

[00:52:17] Luke Storey: like imagine you have a film and everyone's the protagonist, you know? It's like- Oh my

[00:52:21] Melissa Tittl: God.

[00:52:22] Luke Storey: No, don't ... kind of boring, right? Everyone's just hanging out, cuddling, you know, just living their best life. Laying in a field of grass. It's like, wow, what a boring story, you know? You like... I guess that's the thing that I'm always trying to reconcile is you, you need the polarity to create energy, right?

[00:52:40] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[00:52:41] Luke Storey: It's like you need the positive and negative for propulsion. And, uh, and there's a part of me that wants to live in a fantasy where there, there is no polarity. It's all just going toward the light, you know?

[00:52:53] Melissa Tittl: Yep.

[00:52:53] Luke Storey: So yeah. It makes life, I think, a lot more, um, a lot easier to accept, uh, for me, [00:53:00] and I'm able to be in a more allowing surrendered state when I just kind of stop fighting what is.

[00:53:08] Luke Storey: That there is obviously a reason this experience is designed this way, the video game of life. Uh, if it wasn't meant to be this way, it wouldn't be you know? It would be another way. So if this is the way it is, how do I navigate that? Uh, and another thing in your film, too, that I think is really smart that you just kind of spoke to is, like, there's zero dogma, right?

[00:53:33] Luke Storey: There's no, like, even hint, well, this is the real path this way. It's kind of like getting down to the raw materials of this reality, and the geometry, and the numerology, and the light, and the frequencies, and kind of everything that I guess you could say is kind of the substrate of what we experience as the material, physical world.

[00:53:54] Luke Storey: Let's bypass the story of the physical world and, like, get down to the nucleus [00:54:00] of what life really is, which is really interesting. I think in a film it's much easier to do that, too, than if you read a great book about it or you have a conversation about it. There's, um, there were so many great visual representations of that in the film that, again, weren't attached to any kind of belief system.

[00:54:18] Luke Storey: So it's easy to walk in, you know, just with an open mind and be able to glean the message of infinite possibilities, right? 'Cause you don't have to, like, latch onto any one of those things. You're just seeing patterns that are all over the world, all across time, that certain groups of humans have tapped into different places and frequencies, and have been able to work with energy in ways that, um, you know, most of us don't understand now.

[00:54:49] Luke Storey: Uh, another thing that was really trippy to me is the number 12. Um, and I was waiting for it in the film 'cause there's like... It's t- there's a 12 here, and here, and here, and here. It's just like, what is up with this [00:55:00] number 12? What came to me also was the 12 steps. I was like, oh, she's gotta mention the 12 steps.

[00:55:05] Luke Storey: That's another one, you know? It's just like- So

[00:55:06] Melissa Tittl: many.

[00:55:07] Luke Storey: Right?

[00:55:08] Melissa Tittl: Just, like, ran out of time.

[00:55:09] Luke Storey: What, what,

[00:55:10] Melissa Tittl: how- It's like, how many creative ways can I talk about 12? And I'm like, yeah, and then we talk about hero's journey, and I'm like, just let pop that in there, and it just, uh-

[00:55:16] Luke Storey: Well, t- for people that haven't seen the film yet, like, tell us what's up with the number 12.

[00:55:21] Luke Storey: Like, what... By the end of creating this film and, you know, speaking to all these brilliant people, what's the kind of synthesis that you've arrived at with the prevalence of that particular number?

[00:55:32] Melissa Tittl: Uh, so I, um, I've been writing a lot of these ancient civilization shows, and, uh, I also was, like, in the beginning of Ancient Aliens and, like, you know, all this stuff that I've been wri- writing and producing for a while.

[00:55:46] Melissa Tittl: And, um, one of the things that I kept just taking note of, 'cause I'm all, I'm all about patterns, uh, I think as a journalist-

[00:55:54] Luke Storey: Clearly . Yeah, clearly,

[00:55:56] Melissa Tittl: right?

[00:55:56] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm.

[00:55:57] Melissa Tittl: I, I think to myself, um- [00:56:00] I think as a journalist in the supernatural kind of space, so this, you know, the unseen world, like the only thing you have to go on is patterns.

[00:56:08] Melissa Tittl: Otherwise, I'm just making stuff up. I'm just saying, "This is the way," like you were saying. This is this, this, and that. But patterns are the only thing I feel like... So throughout I'd say about, I don't know, 10, 15 years, I've been kind of just taking note. Oh, that's weird. That's 12. Oh, that's weird. That's 12, too.

[00:56:22] Melissa Tittl: You know? Oh. And, uh, so what I started to notice first, because I'm writing all these episodes on different temples and religious stuff and spirituality, was that most spiritual text, religious text, talk about a very important story where there's 12 characters and there's a 13th in the middle, usually a prophet.

[00:56:46] Melissa Tittl: You know, think of the 12 apostles. You know, Jesus is number 13, you know? Uh, y- and this is in every religion, every spiritual text. There is an important story with this number, and I thought... And I remember bringing this up and people being like, "So? Who [00:57:00] cares?" Like, "What's the big deal about that?" Like, I don't know, but it's just weird.

[00:57:03] Melissa Tittl: Like, y- at some point, this book, this spiritual practice was built on the fact that somebody was able to control themselves, the way they look at the world, maybe they were able, downloading coherent geometry shapes. I don't know. But they were able to be in touch with God in such a profound way that they are giving you kind of like a blueprint for how to do that, and it, it didn't get anywhere, but I just kept going on that journey.

[00:57:32] Melissa Tittl: Uh, s- so as I was gathering that stuff, I, I started to notice, okay, so we have 12 zodiac signs, and then, uh, 12 is also, um, uh, the, is part of, uh, 12 faces of a dodecahedron. A dodecahedron is a sacred geometry shape. Uh, Plato, there's the five Platonic solids. The dodecahedron is considered Aether, right? So this is, it is everything that is the unseen world is this [00:58:00] 12-faced dodecahedron sacred geometry shape.

[00:58:02] Melissa Tittl: So I thought, "Wow, this is a good starting point. This is a good, you know... Could, could this be?" A structure that we don't know how it functions in the universe. And that just set me on this whole course and I started finding these anomalies. I, I started talking to people that were finding these kind of tw- either 12 frequencies or, uh, 12 shaped dodecahedron shapes in the universe.

[00:58:29] Melissa Tittl: Uh, so the c- the idea was that this number, although just a number, could be these spiritual, religious, uh, ancient understanding of how the universe worked. We started this conversation talking about how, you know, why do we get so disconnected? We could have forgotten the actual shape of the universe and, and the ancients could have understood that, and they were able to access that ancient shape, and then they were able to create a reality [00:59:00] inside of it, which would've been like the 13th point.

[00:59:03] Melissa Tittl: Uh, and, uh, that to me was so fascinating. I think story, we're, we were talking about how we create these stories, but the human story is so important and it doesn't matter what you believe and it doesn't matter what you believe in, religious and spiritual texts tell a lot about people and how those humans were translating the universe.

[00:59:29] Melissa Tittl: And what happens is we get so caught up on that one story. I only believe this Tibetan text. I only believe this, this, uh, the Bible. I only believe in this. But the thing in every single one of them is explaining the same story from a different point of view and we need all those different point of views so that we can all arrive at the same, uh, location.

[00:59:49] Melissa Tittl: And what I'm suggesting is that they, each of these religious and spiritual texts took a form, or if you wanna like make an [01:00:00] analogy, they took a note- And each of these, uh, different veins of how to explain God are different notes in the musical system.

[01:00:09] Luke Storey: Mm-mm.

[01:00:10] Melissa Tittl: Musical... How many notes are in the musical system?

[01:00:11] Melissa Tittl: 12, right? Right. Just keep going. We could be here all day. We'll be here for five hours just talking about 12.

[01:00:17] Luke Storey: Yeah, yeah.

[01:00:19] Melissa Tittl: And, and, like, every time I say this, everyone's like, "Okay, well, that's cool, but what about the Demiurge?" And I'm, "Okay, but let's go back to the 12." You know? There's a structure. There's things inside the structure.

[01:00:30] Melissa Tittl: So if you know how... One of my biggest goals is to figure out how the universe works, not to solve everything in it, but if we could just figure out how it works, then we can... We are able to actually access it, instead of just being this confused soul walking around trying to figure out what our purpose is.

[01:00:49] Melissa Tittl: And, um, from my research, it, it feels that there is a structure. You could call that the matrix, but we live in a structure. That structure [01:01:00] has certain amounts of points and frequencies, and if we understand that, then we're able to collectively change, uh, outcomes and what we're doing here.

[01:01:10] Luke Storey: Another interesting thing, uh, that I'm sure you have experience with more so than I as just kind of a casual observer is when it comes to, say, these ancient sites all over the world, the pyramids, different things that we can't explain Y- y- with these, uh, certain geometric patterns and shapes, um, symbols, sounds, things that create sounds, instruments.

[01:01:39] Luke Storey: You have all these people that were supposedly completely isolated from one another, right?

[01:01:46] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[01:01:47] Luke Storey: And yet, during, you know, like, I'm sure vast swaths of time, but, you know, relatively speaking, zooming out within kind of a short period of time in terms of the age of the universe, all these different people [01:02:00] that didn't know one another are kind of doing the same thing, you know, to your point of all these different religions and belief systems.

[01:02:07] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm. It's like everyone essentially is doing the same thing at the same time without direct interaction with one another. It's kind of like the 100th monkey principle, right? It's like, boom, all of a sudden you have one in South America, Egypt, India. All these different cultures and traditions are kind of pointing at the same thing, but they're not being informed by one another, so what are they being informed by?

[01:02:34] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[01:02:35] Luke Storey: Right? They're tapping into some sort of universal intelligence and kind of the, the mathematics of the universe in a way that's really interesting. What have been some of the parallels, I guess, in terms of sacred sites that have been most interesting to you, uh, in that, in that regard? That, like, these guys over here are doing the same thing as these guys over here.

[01:02:56] Luke Storey: How the hell did they all arrive at the same kind [01:03:00] of conclusion even though they're taking a different route to get there?

[01:03:03] Melissa Tittl: I, I totally agree with the principle. They were definitely connected with something bigger. Uh, we always like to logically think that, you know, they were in communication together.

[01:03:12] Melissa Tittl: But, uh, one of the things that Matthias talks about in the documentary and, you know, he talks about in his own work is, um, this idea that each civilization, although separate, kind of knew what their, um ... I'm gonna make a musical analogy again. Kind of what their tone was in the universe. And so there's this universal knowledge that everybody knew.

[01:03:38] Melissa Tittl: Now, if we, we go back to the beginning of this interview where we talked about, you know, how do they know all this stuff? Well, if they were connected to the universe, that means everybody has the same laws and principles of how the universe works, so they got that down. Then they added all of their different kinds of gods and goddesses and, and their understanding of how, how they're, you know, what's happening in the universe, which is a little [01:04:00] bit still similar across all the different civilizations, but, but, you know, personal to what they're experiencing, where they live and, and, uh, what kind of animals they have.

[01:04:11] Melissa Tittl: But the thing to me that was really fascinating is every one of these civilizations has a temple that's connected to, uh, the winter or summer solstice. Um, uh, and definitely some of them are specific for eclipses. And, uh, this was really fascinating to me because I'm like, "Okay, well, why were..." Every civilization has at least one temple that's connected to the winter solstice and the summer solstice.

[01:04:39] Melissa Tittl: Why? Could these temples although maybe not communicating, but all in touch with the universal structure, have been configuring their piece for the right time for when it's supposed to be activated, and they all knew this, so they made sure that each, like, at [01:05:00] least one of their temples in their civilization was activated at that winter and summer solstice as if everybody was coming online at the same time to activate their tone.

[01:05:10] Luke Storey: Right. With

[01:05:11] Melissa Tittl: their instruments, with their beat, right, their expression all at the same time. Uh, you could say, "Well, they're really excited about that one alignment." I'm like, "They, they put a lot of work into those summer and winters." Yeah, like

[01:05:24] Luke Storey: thousands of years building a structure that we can't even build today.

[01:05:28] Melissa Tittl: Exactly.

[01:05:29] Luke Storey: Oh, just for the hell of it.

[01:05:31] Melissa Tittl: Exactly.

[01:05:31] Luke Storey: That's, that's... I, I, um, thank you for reminding me of the, um, kind of the theme of music, right?

[01:05:39] Melissa Tittl: Mm-hmm.

[01:05:39] Luke Storey: So as you're describing that, it's like, okay, there's a conductor out there we would just call the godhead, consciousness, God, right? And it's like, so you have people all over the world at the same time kind of doing the same things with the same rhythm according to [01:06:00] what's happening in the cosmos, right?

[01:06:01] Luke Storey: So it's like they didn't need to interface with one another because they're all following the same conductor. This guy's, like, playing the tuba over here. This one's on the mandolin. Right. This one's on the conga drum, right? And it's like, okay, they're all playing a different instrument, but there's some guiding principle.

[01:06:19] Luke Storey: There's some guiding law or force that they seem to have been able to tap in, so when you're looking at it kind of in a linear way, it looks like they were all following one another or informing one another, but they're, they're tapped into the conductor that's up here who's kind of, like, orchestrating the music.

[01:06:38] Luke Storey: That's a... I, I like that model. That makes a lot of sense I think 'cause I play some music, so it's like kind of understand how-

[01:06:45] Melissa Tittl: Yeah ...

[01:06:46] Luke Storey: you know, harmony and chords and rhythms and meter and things like that work. There's, like, this silent music going on all the time. Maybe that, maybe that's what the Aether is.

[01:06:58] Luke Storey: The M- the Aether's like a [01:07:00] guitar string. It's like a carrier wave, right? And-

[01:07:02] Melissa Tittl: Yeah ...

[01:07:03] Luke Storey: these guys over here in Egypt and these guys in Peru are going, "Ding." They hear that note, and they tap into that note, and all of a sudden they're doing their own thing that even though it appears to be done in isolation, it's being guided by, um, a universal sort of frequency.

[01:07:19] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. I mean, just think about, um- Well, you, you brought up like, like with an orchestra. I mean, some of them are playing at the same time, but some of them are waiting for the right, the right moment to like, "Okay, now it's my turn," you know? Right. Or, "Now it's my turn," or you know what it, it's because it's a song, right?

[01:07:35] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:07:36] Melissa Tittl: And, and although, um, it, just, I just want, if you could just visualize the sun on the summer solstice coming across the planet, and then like, like a musical box, like ding, ding, ding, right? All these different temples being lit up at that very moment when it's the summer solstice hits, right? And it creating this musical song, and you think about all those ancient civilizations that were kind of activating [01:08:00] that temple.

[01:08:01] Melissa Tittl: There's, uh, vibrations and there's, well, we, we all, everyone's talking about frequency now. I mean, if, if every, everybody's talking about frequency, but if you think about frequency, like relic frequencies in the universe, at its lowest point is sound that we can hear. So if you think about the alignment of an ancient frequency into a temple, and then you're adding the music and the sound that then activates the human body, um, you've got something really beautiful because you have something that is unseen happening to you and, and the human race.

[01:08:39] Melissa Tittl: And then you have this beautiful actual sound, this music that, that, that we're making. And we know in all these temples that they were definitely using either voices or instruments of some sort. So, um, the celebration of this connection to the ancient structure is our ability to use our voice to, to, [01:09:00] you know, even if you don't, even if you're tone deaf the, your voice just speaking is, is part of the harmony or disharmony of the universe itself.

[01:09:12] Melissa Tittl: The, so the, it, we look at these ancient sites and, and we feel so disconnected from it. Like, whoa, this is so cool, you know? But, but it's, if you think about what we were talking about with these ancient civilizations maybe not communicating with each other directly, they were, they just didn't need proof of it.

[01:09:30] Luke Storey: Right. They're communicating on a different channel.

[01:09:35] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. And, and just think about, right, so if all this is true, then, then there's other beings in other dimensions of time-space all existing, again, all at once. And, and can you imagine if all the human race was, was at this one moment in time, we'll just, you know, 12,000 years ago or whenever this happened.

[01:09:54] Melissa Tittl: We get through the, all the summer solstice or the winter solstice, the music box plays the song, [01:10:00] and then it's silent. And the amount of communication those humans must have had with interdimensional beings or other things that weren't human, and to say hello. I mean, look how hard it is for us to even have the conversation.

[01:10:16] Melissa Tittl: I mean, it's getting better now, talking about aliens and otherworldly beings. Um, but the, the... God, that must have been so beautiful To be in communication with all that exists all the time and not feeling so lonely here is-

[01:10:32] Luke Storey: Totally ...

[01:10:32] Melissa Tittl: we're here on this rock floating through space.

[01:10:35] Luke Storey: Totally. Yeah. I mean, that's something that I think is really easy to grasp when you get, you know, say you live in a city and you get out in the middle of nowhere in nature, like the silence is, is confronting at first you know what I mean?

[01:10:51] Luke Storey: It's like, "Where's my phone?" Like, where- You know? I mean, that happens to me. It takes a minute to kind of detox from the stimulation and just the, the- Yeah ... [01:11:00] uh, overload of information and noise. Uh, my favorite example of that is leaf blowers, you know what I'm saying? It's like- Oh

[01:11:06] Melissa Tittl: my God, leaf blowers ...

[01:11:08] Luke Storey: uh, just a, a community service announcement for entrepreneurs out there.

[01:11:12] Luke Storey: I- if anyone could invent a silent leaf blower, you are gonna be the richest human ever. I will invest everything I own into you. I mean, we did it with cars, right? Yeah. My wife's car is, like, silent. You don't even hear it coming.

[01:11:25] Melissa Tittl: Don't they have electric leaf blowers?

[01:11:27] Luke Storey: I mean,

[01:11:27] Melissa Tittl: they- Or am I just making that up in my mind?

[01:11:29] Luke Storey: I, I hope so. They should.

[01:11:30] Melissa Tittl: They need to have a Prius leaf blower.

[01:11:32] Luke Storey: That's what I'm saying.

[01:11:33] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. Uh, my husband and I moved, we sold, we just sold our house in New York a- and we moved to Santa Fe in January, and one of my biggest things with the, was, like, I can't, I can't, I... The leaf blowers were out of control because they didn't time it out, so everybody had a leaf blower going all the time.

[01:11:49] Melissa Tittl: It was nuts.

[01:11:50] Luke Storey: It's kind of like that around here. Yeah. It's funny c- 'cause I'll, like, be annoyed at my neighbors having a leaf blower, but then, like, when our gardener comes, I'm, it's annoying, but I'm [01:12:00] like, "I'm not gonna do it," you know what I mean? But I've had this fantasy, too. It's like, wow, if I was really wealthy, I would like, I would pay someone extra to just gently rake.

[01:12:10] Luke Storey: You know what I mean? It's like, I picture, like, old world Japan, right? Where they have, like, these little, like, straw brooms and everything's super Zen and quiet, yet tidy, you know? I want a Zen garden that's silent. Where was I going with that? Oh, yeah. So you, so what you're inundated with all of the stimuli, all of this noise, right?

[01:12:28] Luke Storey: I mean, not to mention, like, invisible noise, EMF and all this, and you get out into nature and it's funny to me that that is u- at least for a time, for some of us, uncomfortable, when that's actually the natural state. But then as you start to see it through and you spend a little more time, and you're not being inundated with all of the static, you can feel your intuition start to come online, right?

[01:12:53] Luke Storey: You start looking at trees differently. All of a sudden you start noticing the subtleties and the nuance of the [01:13:00] natural environment in which you are. And if you stay there long enough, you start to get the sense that you're, you're not just an observer or, um, you know, a witness of the phenomenon of nature.

[01:13:11] Luke Storey: You, you start to actually integrate with it and have the understanding that you're a part of it, right? That there is no separation between you and that. But that takes, because I think we're so conditioned- In this kind of linear, overstimulated way of experiencing the world, that it takes some time and some work to get there, which is weird because that's our natural state, right?

[01:13:37] Luke Storey: Is to be sitting next to a river and not feel apart from it. Like, oh- Yeah ... I'm, I'm a human sitting on the bank of this river. I'm observing it. It's like, no, you are the river is the reality.

[01:13:47] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[01:13:48] Luke Storey: You know? Um, to your point, uh, uh, in the film of illusion, you know, so much of this is just because we've been conditioned to think and feel in certain ways, the [01:14:00] more conditioned we become, the more separation is created.

[01:14:03] Luke Storey: So it's like we have this, um, thing called recreation. Like, there's recreational areas, which is always a funny word to me. What are we recreating? We're recreating something that's already there, it's just we've divorced ourselves from it, you know?

[01:14:19] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:14:20] Luke Storey: So there's so much power in silence. I guess that's when you, when you get to a place of emptiness and quiet, it makes room for things to come through.

[01:14:28] Luke Storey: So as you speak of these ancient peoples, I mean, no wonder they were able to tap into these celestial kind of timeframes and schedules and be so aligned with that, 'cause there wasn't so much noise distracting them from that.

[01:14:41] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. Yeah, they were able to really listen. Um, we m- w- um, my husband and I moved outside town now, so, you know, we were in the city.

[01:14:51] Melissa Tittl: Now we're, you know... Like you said, it was a little jarring at first. I was like, "I gotta turn on all my noise machines."

[01:14:56] Luke Storey: Yeah, totally.

[01:14:57] Melissa Tittl: Do we have a leaf blower noise machine? Yeah, [01:15:00] exactly.

[01:15:00] Luke Storey: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[01:15:01] Melissa Tittl: Um, it's so... And th- somebody will always say, "Well, what do you do out there?" And I'm like Uh, well, I know I work f- but nothing.

[01:15:14] Melissa Tittl: I mean, not nothing, but, but you're right. Like, it, it, it took, it took a little bit, but it's where you walk out and you can feel, you feel like the tree- the trees on your property are, are not just part of you, but you're communicating with them. And you're, you're knowing when they need water, not because you're checking them, uh, with machinery or technology, but you're like, "Oh, you need water," and, "There's something wrong with your leaves," and you know.

[01:15:40] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm.

[01:15:41] Melissa Tittl: The amount of information, like you said, the ancient people must have been able to absorb. I mean, uh, they, uh, I think they just found, like, another, um, preserved body from, from, I don't know, 10,000 years ago, and the caveman had all these different mushrooms. He had [01:16:00] one for, um, that was psychedelic, one for probiotics for his gut, and another one, um, uh, da, da, da, da, it, like, like lion's mane or something like that, you know?

[01:16:13] Melissa Tittl: Health.

[01:16:14] Luke Storey: Yeah, yeah. And

[01:16:15] Melissa Tittl: you're thinking like, "Well, how did he know that?" He, so he went in the forest and picked these specific things that we go to health conferences to learn about. Yeah. And he was just like-

[01:16:26] Luke Storey: He's the- ... "

[01:16:27] Melissa Tittl: Oh, that, that, that's lion's mane. I need that,"

[01:16:28] Luke Storey: you know? Neanderthal biohacker. He was.

[01:16:31] Melissa Tittl: He was.

[01:16:33] Melissa Tittl: Exactly. Uh, but y- I can't e- I li- I can't even imagine how you get in touch with that. Like, how do you know that? I mean, maybe somebody taught you, but I mean, you eat the wrong mushroom, you could be dead soon. So how did they, how were they able to be in touch with knowing all these different things? I mean, I think that's, uh, just, just if...

[01:16:59] Melissa Tittl: I think we're, [01:17:00] we're at this place now where technology is really kind of taking over our human existence. Um, and, and we can't get away from it. AI is part of everything that we do, but what's our human part of that? And so there's also this desire at the same time that, you know, AI and technology is booming, there's also this desire to be like, "Well, what, what else is there for my human body to experience?"

[01:17:24] Melissa Tittl: And, and, and I think there's those two dichotomies. Like, well, how do we still preserve or experience nature? And I really hope that, um, we kind of return back to that in some way. I, I think we're at this precipice now where we can't necessarily not use technology, but how can we separate technology from our human biological technology that's connected to something much bigger, and trust that?

[01:17:52] Melissa Tittl: How do we get there? That's so important to me, even on my personal journey. Mm-hmm. How do I really trust [01:18:00] my human biological system and, and enjoy it? Because our technology is way more advanced than we ever think it is, and, and that's, that's what gets us in trouble when we're using technology to, to sort of help our, what we're thinking is our, um, you know, something that's our weakness.

[01:18:22] Melissa Tittl: But, but our emotions are not our weakness. We have this whole thing where we're like, well, what we were talking about, we have to be happy. But our emotions are so important. They're part of our human technology. Uh, and, uh, we, we really try to bypass that with technolo- it, it... We're, we're at this re- we're at this really key point where understanding that we could have everything the ancients were in touch with if we just trust our systems, our humanness-

[01:18:50] Luke Storey: Yeah

[01:18:50] Melissa Tittl: instead of trusting just the AI. We could still use the AI and the technology, but, but still being that we are superior in our own [01:19:00] technology.

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[01:20:39] Melissa Tittl: Yeah, creating space. I'm always

[01:20:41] Luke Storey: fascinated by, um, the downloads and insights that are available when I just turn off the world w- in any kind of meditation or something like that, right? Or plant medicine experience.

[01:20:59] Luke Storey: It's [01:21:00] like when, when the noise is cleared out, call it technology, call it just too much data, right? It's like when you shut down the data, the, the paradox there is data that is actually useful and relevant and, uh, directive in terms of something you can integrate and take and run with. Those seem to come when there's space created for it, and if the space isn't created, then it's just like the inertia of life takes over, and next thing you know, you're kind of living like a robot.

[01:21:39] Luke Storey: You know what I mean? It's like I catch myself some days, it's like, oh, wake up, pick up the phone. And it's like, what am I doing? Wait, what? What am I doing? I'm, I'm the one that's in charge of this shit, you know? Why am I letting all this outside, all these outside inputs kind of dictate how I feel or what I'm thinking or what I'm doing?

[01:21:58] Melissa Tittl: Mm-hmm.

[01:21:58] Luke Storey: But unless we take the, [01:22:00] you know, like dedicated, deliberate, intentional time to make space, we don't have access to all of that wisdom. You know, that kind of universal intelligence that's floating around all the time.

[01:22:14] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:22:15] Luke Storey: It's like the-- you gotta tune your channel, you know, tune your little radio set to the channel that has the least static in order for the true music to come through, right?

[01:22:26] Luke Storey: Or maybe you get lucky and boop, you tap into a certain frequency, you know, that's really beautiful music that you can kind of align your life to. Uh, in your travels around the world and, you know, meeting all the interesting people that you have, um, what evidence have you seen of these ancient cultures using psychedelics?

[01:22:48] Luke Storey: You know, you mentioned the, the guy that they unearthed, and he had a little psilocybin mushroom or something like that. I have a sense that people have been tripping as long as there have been people. [01:23:00] But, you know, time kind of destroys the evidence, so to speak, right?

[01:23:05] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. No,

[01:23:05] Luke Storey: I- In rare cases ...

[01:23:06] Melissa Tittl: 100% agree with you.

[01:23:07] Melissa Tittl: I, I-- We always think that, like, we're at some other point where, you know, we have it different or, you know, this, it, it... No. Humans have been humans for a really long time, you know? It just depends who you talk to. They've been here for 100,000 years, 250,000 years, 40,000 years. Like, humans have been doing the same stuff.

[01:23:31] Melissa Tittl: They have the same relationships. You know, they, they, like, talk about the same stories with each other. Uh, and they've definitely been tripping since the beginning because they're probably in the same boat that, that anybody else is, you know? I kinda wanna see something else. Like, is this it? Well, I just wanna go out a little bit further and see, see what else I can get connected to.

[01:23:52] Melissa Tittl: I mean, every culture, every civilization has a different modality for how to do that, given the plants they have that grow there. [01:24:00] Mm-hmm. Every single one. And it becomes part of their ceremonies or religious ceremonies. Uh, sometimes given to people that were the shamans, uh, the seers, um, the priests, the priestesses.

[01:24:11] Melissa Tittl: That the ones that were the oracles, if you will. Mm. Like, you know, they would go and have those experiences and come back to the village and, and say, "Okay, this is what I saw." And I think that, you know, as we're talking about how these ancient people were more connected, they still are human, so they're still living in stories.

[01:24:30] Melissa Tittl: So the idea was, even though we're connected, how do we create something bigger, right? And then leave this plane, be able to look down at it, have a new idea, come back to the village. This is what I think we should do. I think we should move over here. I think we should connect this way. Um, yeah, 100%. I think, uh, the human experience is, is difficult but beautiful.

[01:24:57] Melissa Tittl: I maybe I'm being too optimistic. [01:25:00] Uh, but I, I, I tend to think that limitations, uh, are frustrating, and they... And you could, uh, you could, you could argue that they cause suffering, but our human limitations are also really beautiful. I, I always like to think of the perspective of if I'm like a, a, my guides or an otherworldly being, and I'm looking down at me trying to do whatever I'm doing, right?

[01:25:24] Melissa Tittl: Manifest stuff.

[01:25:25] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[01:25:27] Melissa Tittl: Make movies. I would be like, "Oh, man, that's so cool." Because if you're in these other dimensions and you can just go like that and you have it, it's just not as exciting as the amount of work it takes with your limitations to make something happen. I mean, you might get a little bit of gratification, and then you might say, "God, I wish it wasn't that hard."

[01:25:47] Melissa Tittl: But these other beings looking down at us, uh, might be like, "Oh, wow, such a... That's so awesome." A- and we gotta look at that as a gift because [01:26:00] without... You were just talking about this. Without the limitations, we don't have a boundary for what we're actually creating and what we're bringing into this world.

[01:26:09] Melissa Tittl: And the amount of energy it takes to bring s- birth something into 3D reality is immense. You know, other, uh, realities, they have, they have more modalities to, to be able to see things from different angles. We only have three Um, and so as much as... Look, we're all human. You and I are having conversations.

[01:26:30] Melissa Tittl: We have our own suffering. But as much as our limitations feel like suffering, they could actually be, uh, if you look at it from that perspective, they could actually be quite a gift.

[01:26:41] Luke Storey: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, uh, I know in my own life The biggest growth spurts have come from pain. You know? It's like when you're in that period of pain, you want anything but that.

[01:26:58] Luke Storey: But, you know, if you have [01:27:00] the fortitude and kind of, I don't know, inner will, spiritual will maybe to move past it and to persevere, I think most of us would agree that on the other side of any challenging period in life, we're better because of it. You know, I mean, the shit that I've put myself through is just terrible.

[01:27:20] Luke Storey: I mean, so much, um, stupidity and folly, you know, but like, I got beat up a little bit- ... and am definitely wiser as a result of that, you know. Um, sometimes I think it must be really boring to incarnate and have a karma that is really smooth, you know? I mean, I know people like that, you know. They had a healthy family, their parents were loving, they're smart, talented, successful.

[01:27:48] Luke Storey: They seem to just kind of have a free ride, and I think, "Oh, that must be nice." But how many lifetimes did they have to beat their head against the wall in order to arrive at this one where they had a relatively, [01:28:00] um, you know, bump-free ride, so to speak, you know? I think the bumps are valuable if you can frame them that way.

[01:28:09] Melissa Tittl: Yeah, I agree. Um, you know, one of the things I don't talk about in this, but, but I kind of tried to give a different perspective, is that y- y- we... Again, which is a really great story, and, and I get myself wrapped up in this too, is that, you know, I'm suffering because I've had some bad karma, right? I did something.

[01:28:27] Melissa Tittl: You know, this person hates me because in a past life I chopped their head off or whatever.

[01:28:31] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm.

[01:28:33] Melissa Tittl: Um, but there was a, there's a gentleman in my movie that I interview. Um, if you remember, he got kind of knocked into a higher state of consciousness. That

[01:28:41] Luke Storey: was my favorite part. I was like, "Just make a movie about that dude."

[01:28:44] Luke Storey: Oh, yeah. That stuff.

[01:28:44] Melissa Tittl: He's amazing.

[01:28:46] Luke Storey: We need, we need the, uh, the deleted scenes. I wanna see like all that guy's shit. Yeah, he was amazing.

[01:28:52] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. He's, he's

[01:28:53] Luke Storey: g- Explain that for people who- Oh, okay ... haven't seen the film, 'cause- Um ... it's so wild.

[01:28:56] Melissa Tittl: Uh, s- so I interview this [01:29:00] doctor who's been working on these components in our brain, or in the cells in, in our brain that are able to download these relic geometries.

[01:29:08] Melissa Tittl: And at the end of the interview, he says, "Look, I've been studying this guy who I think has actually, his brain has transitioned into a higher state permanently." So not something that, you know, we, we trip and go somewhere, but like is there all the time. So, you know, when you're having like a psychedelic experience and everything turns into fractals, this is what this guy sees all the time.

[01:29:31] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. He wakes up, everything's fractals. Water's fractals. You know, the way someone smells is a fractal. Like, everything's fractals. He says, "You should interview this guy." Um, so I interview him. He has a really interesting story, and what I love about his story is he was a normal guy, furniture salesman, liked to drink a lot, went to a karaoke bar, got in a argument with somebody.

[01:29:54] Melissa Tittl: They beat him almost to death, and, uh, he was rescued, brought to the [01:30:00] hospital, but his brain had this trauma, and he was knocked into this higher state of consciousness. So he was having that moment like some of us have had when we've, when we're in a psychedelic experience, where it's everything all at once all the time, and, um, but forever, not just eight hours.

[01:30:20] Melissa Tittl: And, uh, you know, obviously it took a while for him to calm down, to be able to function in normal life. A- again, just to say limitations sometimes are good 'cause you don't want that all the time. But he was able to transition himself and function on a daily level. Uh, slowly, he trained himself to be able to see things and understand them and create his own perception of reality.

[01:30:44] Melissa Tittl: But what this higher state did was made him into this mathematical savant. So he w- then was able to calculate what he was seeing by, his brain would trans- traverse it into a mathematical [01:31:00] calculation. So, uh, one of the things that, that I say to him, I'm like, "Oh, so I'm just like this geometry cymatic pattern?"

[01:31:07] Melissa Tittl: Like, what He's like, "Yeah, yeah. The way you smell, the way you talk, the color of your shirt, everything is just a bunch of geometry on top of each other." But he's gotten so good that he can f- he can actually see. He's like, "Okay, that's lilac," right, by a geometry pattern. Oh. Or, "That's green-" Wow ... by a geometry pattern.

[01:31:26] Melissa Tittl: That's water by the, the way the fractals are. That's bad water versus good. You know, insane. We could talk to that... Like you said, we could talk to this guy for, like, ever. So what he offers in this, in this piece is that if we are downloading, if everything, reality around us is just geometry patterns, this guy is living proof that that is truth.

[01:31:50] Melissa Tittl: Like he says, "When you look at a house, you see a house. I see geometry. That's all I see. And I see all these different geometry patterns." And, and he's like, [01:32:00] it, he says in the movie, it's like in... He, he says in our movie that in the movie The Matrix, when he says there, when she says, "There is no spoon," that's correct.

[01:32:11] Melissa Tittl: There is no spoon. There is only geometry and electromagnetic energy interacting with each other to create a pattern that then your brain perceives as a spoon because collectively, we have created that's a spoon.

[01:32:25] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:32:26] Melissa Tittl: So collective consciousness is just 51% of the population, common sense, right? 51% of the com- uh, of the population believes one thing.

[01:32:36] Melissa Tittl: If we decided that that wasn't a spoon, 'cause here's another thing that I couldn't make the documentary, 'cause again, there's just too much stuff. Every language, so let's say spoon in every single language across the world has the same vibrational pattern even though it sounds completely- Oh,

[01:32:55] Luke Storey: really?

[01:32:55] Melissa Tittl: different. Tree in every single language has the same [01:33:00] vibrational pattern. And he, he's like, "If you say in Russian to me tree, I know what you're saying based on the geometry pattern 'cause it's the same."

[01:33:09] Luke Storey: Whoa.

[01:33:10] Melissa Tittl: And we think it's separate- Yeah ... but the origin of where it exists in the universe is the exact same.

[01:33:17] Melissa Tittl: So oak tree is different than a pine tree. It's a different geometry pattern. But pine tree in Russian and Spanish and English, the, the actual geometry pattern is the same.

[01:33:29] Luke Storey: Wow. That's bananas. But

[01:33:31] Melissa Tittl: we create separation for context.

[01:33:34] Luke Storey: Right.

[01:33:35] Melissa Tittl: But-

[01:33:35] Luke Storey: Right ...

[01:33:35] Melissa Tittl: its origin point is the exact same.

[01:33:38] Luke Storey: Wow. Wow. Yeah, that man's story is really interesting, and it reminded me of...

[01:33:44] Luke Storey: I wish I could remember her name. I believe she has a book or two, but there was a woman, um, I heard interviewed some time ago who had some sort of traumatic brain injury or a stroke or something to where her left [01:34:00] hemisphere kinda just went offline. And so she- Okay ... lives predominantly in the right hemisphere of the brain, so she's, she's basically enlightened, like what we would consider, you know, an enlightened master, um, in the sense that they're, you know, tapped into the greater reality in a way that your average person isn't.

[01:34:16] Luke Storey: But her story, much like his, is interesting because it wasn't something she aspired to do, right? It was like- Right ... something that just happened to her. Again, something you say, "Oh, that's so terrible. You know, she had the stroke or the accident," and it's like, well, really? She, 'cause she lives in a state of complete bliss 24/7 because she doesn't have the analytical kind of linear mind ruining her experience like it does for so many of us.

[01:34:40] Luke Storey: Those kind of cases are really interesting. Same with, um, you know, these, uh... I had a woman on, uh, Kai Dickens, The Telepathy Tapes. I don't know if you've heard that podcast. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right? Fascinating series where, you know, she's discovering all of these nonverbal autistic kids are totally psychic and go [01:35:00] and travel in other dimensions and have all these abilities that seem to be unique to them, but- I guess she and the, you know, the premise of her show and her work is that we all have these capacities.

[01:35:15] Luke Storey: They're just latent, right? And somebody has a TBI or they have, you know, they're on the spectrum or whatever the case is. It's like they're just able to tune into something that's there all the time for all of us, and many of us just have to really work really hard to get there, you know? So I think that's- Yeah,

[01:35:32] Melissa Tittl: we're all, like, training to remote view.

[01:35:34] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. You know? Yeah. And these kids are meeting up on a hill.

[01:35:36] Luke Storey: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[01:35:37] Melissa Tittl: All of them at the same time- Exactly ... with no communicating. I mean, the

[01:35:40] Luke Storey: other- But it's really encouraging, you know- Yeah ... to think, like, oh, wow, so that's, you know, it's just... It's not something we have to really aspire to attain.

[01:35:49] Luke Storey: It's more something we just have to kind of allow and acknowledge and create space for. We all have these powers. We just don't know it. I think that toward the end of your film, [01:36:00] that was something I got, too, where I was checking myself a little, like, eh, you could work on that, but also, like, oh yeah, wait.

[01:36:06] Luke Storey: Like, I'm the architect of my reality here, you know? And not in a new age-y kind of platitude, but-

[01:36:12] Melissa Tittl: Mm-hmm ...

[01:36:13] Luke Storey: in, like, capital R reality, it really is what I make it, which I think is so important. Like, I have those capacities. It happens all the time with my wife. Like, we were in the car the other day. I forget what the word was, but we're observing something outside the car, and I was about to say something to her, a certain word, and then, like, before I could get it out of my mouth, she said it, and it was like I was reading her mind, you know?

[01:36:36] Luke Storey: Mm. It was like a telepathic thing, and I think that happens when we're around someone a lot. You know, you kind of just get in sync. But it was another reminder, like, oh, I could be doing that all the time. You know what I mean? I just don't know that I can, therefore, I'm not.

[01:36:51] Melissa Tittl: Or you don't trust it.

[01:36:52] Luke Storey: Yeah, exactly.

[01:36:53] Melissa Tittl: I mean, most of us are getting hits on stuff all the time, but we're like, "Oh, I'm just, just, that's just me," or, you know, "That's just 'cause [01:37:00] I ate beets yesterday." You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, we come up with all sorts of weird stuff of why, but, but I think we're getting hits all the time. And one of the things that, uh, the doctor who introduced me to the man we were just talking about-

[01:37:11] Luke Storey: What's the man's name?

[01:37:12] Melissa Tittl: Uh, oh, uh, Dr. Stuart Ameroff?

[01:37:15] Luke Storey: No, the, the

[01:37:15] Melissa Tittl: guy- Uh, Jason. Jason Padgett.

[01:37:17] Luke Storey: Jason Padgett, okay.

[01:37:19] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. Yeah. He's, uh... Dr. Stuart Ameroff was really working on how and why, uh... And of course, I could only put a little bit of this into the documentary because- Uh, there's just so much, especially with him, 'cause it was, like, complicated.

[01:37:35] Melissa Tittl: Uh, but so we have these things that he... That are called microtubules, and they're in all of our cells in our brain, and there's 13 of them connected together, 13, uh, connected together that are these little receivers. And these things are connected to God, the universe, all the time. And the idea is that people that are more [01:38:00] in tune, or for Jason's sake, h- uh, they have more of those open all the time.

[01:38:06] Melissa Tittl: Oh. So all of this information is coming in. So if you think about there's 13 of these, um, cylindrical, uh, things that make... That together that make up this kind of, uh, tubing that are in your cells, that are the receptors. If you have one of those open, you're not really getting a lot of information. But the thing is, you're always connected.

[01:38:25] Melissa Tittl: There's not a moment where you're disconnected. It's just how many of those are open to receive all this information. And so a lot of us maybe on this po- uh, the people that are listening to your podcast are meditating or doing work to open up those things. You'll notice that you'll get a lot more information because they're staying open longer.

[01:38:47] Melissa Tittl: It's not just when you're in a psychedelic experience or- Right ... you're in a deep meditation. Now you've come trained your, your brain, your system, maybe these microtubules to stay open longer. So but you have somebody like Jason, he's probably got all [01:39:00] 13 of them open, and he's taking in all the information all the time, uh, which is a lot.

[01:39:06] Melissa Tittl: So, uh, when you're having supernatural experiences, th- whether it's induced by hallucinogenics or you just happen to be in a temple and something happens to you, those are blown wide open, or a significant amount of them, and a bunch of information is coming in, and then it closes. So sometimes when, uh, people go to a retreat, and they have this mind-blowing experience, and they feel, like, change, and then it lasts, like, two weeks, and then you're like, "Ugh, back to my mindset," you have a moment where those microtubules are starting to close again.

[01:39:38] Melissa Tittl: Uh, so I think a lot of our work, when we do all these big expansive things where we're going to a retreat or hallucinogenics or, um, medicine The idea is to figure out a modality to keep it open as long- Mm-hmm ... as long, you know, maybe not all 13.

[01:39:56] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:39:58] Melissa Tittl: But just enough so that

[01:39:59] Luke Storey: we- Like [01:40:00] Jason is walking around just tripping balls 24/7.

[01:40:02] Luke Storey: Tripping balls. You know, when he was talking, I, I mean, I, I, it's because I've had those experiences with psychedelics- Mm-hmm ... I totally could understand what he was talking about, right? Yeah. You're, you're out in the forest on a bunch of mushrooms, and you go like, "Oh, wow, these trees are totally breathing," and like everything is alive and conscious.

[01:40:19] Luke Storey: You know? Yeah. That's, that's the experience that I've had. Um, and of course, all the patterns and things like that. But as he was describing that, I was like, "Oh, yeah, I've seen that." But can you imagine just having to deal with life like that? No. No. I mean, it's like, how do you integrate that when you're that open all the time?

[01:40:36] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[01:40:37] Luke Storey: It's also kind of, um, Uh, it's, I've found over the years, as I've become, uh, kind of more receptive and sensitive to those energies, I also have had to become much more kind of guarded and insulated. Like, I find that the world and certain people are just kind of [01:41:00] over-stimulating. It's kind of jarring.

[01:41:01] Luke Storey: Yeah. You know? I used to be, like, a very social person, extrovert, just out doing stuff with all the people all the time, and-

[01:41:07] Melissa Tittl: Yeah ...

[01:41:07] Luke Storey: I find, like, as those have opened up for me a bit more-

[01:41:10] Melissa Tittl: Mm-hmm ...

[01:41:11] Luke Storey: it's like I've become a little more, I don't know, protective might be strong, just, yeah, a little more, uh, reserved in my energy and a bit more discerning about the kind of media I take in or the people that I spend time with, places that I go.

[01:41:27] Luke Storey: Those sensitivities are kind of hard to turn off once you start really turning them on, you know? So I can imagine a guy like Jason, it's like, whoa, I feel like I'm sensitive to sound and light and things and people. It's like, dude, how does that guy walk out of the house without just being completely overwhelmed, you know?

[01:41:44] Melissa Tittl: I, I, I don't know. Um, I know sometimes... I mean, it was really intense to have a camera crew there at his house.

[01:41:52] Luke Storey: Intense for him.

[01:41:53] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. Um, but he did a really good job, so I don't know. He must have really done some major [01:42:00] training to, to be like, "Okay, I know it's all there, but..." Do you ever, did you ever do that where you're like, you're, you're like, you know you're in a haunted house, and you're like, "I just, uh..."

[01:42:09] Melissa Tittl: Do you ever have that where you're, like, in a hotel room and you just feel like there's something there

[01:42:13] Luke Storey: or-

[01:42:13] Melissa Tittl: Yeah ... you stayed in an old place, and you're like, "Look, I d- I know you're there. I just need to go to sleep tonight, okay? So I need you not to bother me. I, I can't help you, can't help you go to the other side.

[01:42:22] Melissa Tittl: You gotta find someone else for that."

[01:42:23] Luke Storey: Right.

[01:42:24] Melissa Tittl: I feel like that's what Jason's doing, like, 24/7, you know? He's just kinda like, "I know all this is happening, but I'm just gonna focus right here."

[01:42:31] Luke Storey: Totally.

[01:42:31] Melissa Tittl: On these geometry shapes.

[01:42:33] Luke Storey: Yeah, it's almost like you have to play along with the agreement, the collective agreement of reality, right?

[01:42:41] Luke Storey: Like, if you're the only one in a room that's kind of experiencing it that way, I imagine there's a certain, uh, kind of... You have to have an understanding within yourself that you're alone in that experience. Yeah. Right?

[01:42:55] Melissa Tittl: Yeah, yeah,

[01:42:55] Luke Storey: yeah. It's probably kind of difficult in that way, too. It's not like you can go, [01:43:00] like, y- create a friend group where everyone's on that same wavelength 'cause it's such a-

[01:43:04] Melissa Tittl: Yeah

[01:43:05] Luke Storey: a rare kind of, um, ability.

[01:43:08] Melissa Tittl: I, I don't think he feels alone, though. He's honestly really a happy person. Um, so maybe there's a component of that where, you know, at first it was like, "What's happening?" But then it's kind of like- Well, it's all happening. The, it's weird. It's, uh, he's not upset. He's-

[01:43:29] Luke Storey: Mm.

[01:43:30] Melissa Tittl: He's kind of enjoying it, and he gets so excited about the mathematical calculations, which I can't necessarily understand.

[01:43:37] Melissa Tittl: I try to put some of that in there. His, his idea where consciousness lives and how when we are born into this 3D reality as humans, uh, we pick all these different frequencies. He calls them light clocks. So if you think of, like, a clock and, um, it's kind of a cool visual if you think about this. So like every single piece of you, like, so Jason [01:44:00] sees only geometry, so you've a pink sweater on, right?

[01:44:03] Melissa Tittl: So that's like one geometry shape, and then the color of your hair and the thoughts that you have and your genes and, and who you are and where you've been, it's all geometry, like, all messed up in there. Uh, but so he, he says that when you are separated from the one into your human body, into this, into this 3D experience, the, these things he calls light clocks, which are different frequency bands, are actually programming your existence coming in.

[01:44:31] Melissa Tittl: Uh, and then when you do self-care or work on yourself, you're going back in and re- and, uh, reprogramming those. So you come in with a program-

[01:44:42] Luke Storey: Mm ...

[01:44:43] Melissa Tittl: and you can go in and change it, but they're just these frequency bands. Uh, and so if, for anybody listening, if you're just thinking about it, if you think about everything that constitutes you individually, that separates you from other people, is just a clock with, like, a different angle, a different, uh, [01:45:00] number on the, on, on, like, that clock scale.

[01:45:02] Melissa Tittl: You know? So you just think of your different angular frequency. Wow. That, that's everything that makes up you. And so when you go in and you have miraculous healings or, um, you're able to change pieces of your, your personality, or components of your belief systems, that's all you're doing. You're just changing the angle.

[01:45:18] Luke Storey: So interesting.

[01:45:20] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[01:45:20] Luke Storey: Wow.

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[01:46:50] Luke Storey: Well, there's gonna be one more question after this.

[01:46:52] Melissa Tittl: Okay.

[01:46:54] Luke Storey: But, uh, I would be remiss if I didn't ask you about, uh, your perspective or [01:47:00] experience with extraterrestrials, UFOs, UAPs. What have you seen in all of the films you've created and all of your travels that is the most impressive evidence?

[01:47:15] Melissa Tittl: All right.

[01:47:16] Melissa Tittl: Um, so I, I gotta be honest with you, I don't know how I got dropped into the UFO/UAP space. I, I became, like, Discovery's U- UFO girl for, like, a while. I don't know how they found me, but they're like... I, I think it's 'cause I produced Ancient Aliens for a long time, but, uh... And I don't have, like, dreads or anything, so they're like, "You know, she's, like, a journalist.

[01:47:40] Melissa Tittl: She's perfect." Right. You know? "She looks credible."

[01:47:42] Luke Storey: Right. Uh,

[01:47:43] Melissa Tittl: yeah, so I, I, uh-

[01:47:44] Luke Storey: You didn't walk in speaking light languages.

[01:47:46] Melissa Tittl: Yeah, yeah, I also did light language. Uh, yeah. They just were like, "Okay, she seems-"

[01:47:50] Luke Storey: Smelling like patchouli.

[01:47:51] Melissa Tittl: I was, I was... I was just gonna say that. I was just gonna say that. Yeah. They were just like, "Okay, she's, you know, she looks pretty solid on camera.

[01:47:56] Melissa Tittl: We'll put her in." Um, I was always [01:48:00] interested in it, but my, my, my... I think my biggest interest was like, well, you know, what's the big structure of the universe? How do we understand this construct we live in? It's always been my thing. So here, for the moment in time, I, I would say a good five years I've dro- I've dropped into this, like, UFO/alien world, and, uh, it's funny, every time I get interviewed about this, someone says, "Did you have an experience?

[01:48:20] Melissa Tittl: Did they land in your yard when you were younger?" I'm like, "Nope, haven't been abducted." Uh, my family's pretty open-minded. We've been talking about things like aliens since I was a little kid, so it wasn't weird for me. Fascinating world, by the way, because, um, there is so... Speaking of patterns, there's so much evidence before social media of people having so many encounters.

[01:48:46] Melissa Tittl: And we only started collecting data since the 19- late 1940s with Roswell and in the '50s, they, uh, they started, um, uh, data collecting services by the government that [01:49:00] then got turned into private sector. So people have been, you know, gathering research on different people having these experiences, and they were all the same.

[01:49:08] Melissa Tittl: Abduction stories are all the same Light, they see a light. There's, uh, beans that come down. They, they, they're in their bed. They have paralysis. They get taken up. And this is before anybody was communicating to other people what they were. So that, that to me was a, a amazing, uh, pattern throughout all the world, not just one area, all these people having the same experience.

[01:49:33] Melissa Tittl: What is happening to these people? Now, something else that's really interesting, uh, in this world is that throughout the documentation of these different UAPs and UFOs, the actual shape of the craft has changed. So in the '50s, Roswell, uh, uh, late '40s, '50s, we have round UFO saucers.

[01:49:58] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm.

[01:49:58] Melissa Tittl: Then, uh, we move [01:50:00] into, um, the '60s, and we have, uh, the triangle-shaped crafts.

[01:50:06] Melissa Tittl: And then we move '70s, '80s, and we have those cigar-shaped crafts that we see more often, and then these kind of, like, airships, um, that were reported. I, I've, I've covered so many cases. And then we get into the 2000s, and especially the later 2000s, and we're dealing with these kind of, uh, geometry, uh, kind of multidimensional plasma kind of ships, if you will, that interact with your consciousness, and I thought that was really strange.

[01:50:36] Melissa Tittl: So is it our consciousness that is only allowing us to see what the actual craft or being looks like, and only at that point we would... You know, saucers were it, and then it was triangles, and then it was the cigar shape. Oh. Right? Interesting. And now we're at these plasma ones. What... D- do we have new aliens visiting us, or are we just able to see what it actually is, some kind of interdimensional-

[01:50:59] Luke Storey: Right

[01:50:59] Melissa Tittl: [01:51:00] uh, craft? It was never a triangle. It was always a interdimensional craft, but our consciousness just couldn't fathom that. But now, you know, that makes a little bit more sense.

[01:51:09] Luke Storey: There's the, a story, uh, that reminds me of that, and I don't know if this is true. But, um, there, uh, is this indigenous native tribe.

[01:51:19] Luke Storey: Let's just say it's in South America, right? Mm-hmm. And the ships from Spain, you know, are coming toward the coast, and the native peoples couldn't see the ships coming because they couldn't conceive of the existence of a ship because they'd never seen one. Right? That kind of thing. And I don't know if that's true.

[01:51:35] Luke Storey: It's... I'm probably getting the story wrong, but it was something to that effect, um, and was meaningful enough to me that I at least remembered that part, just the principle of that, right? Mm-hmm. So it's like, you know, Jason, for example, that we were talking about. He's seeing things that we can't see in our normal waking state, and I've had that experience where- I don't know, not so much with...

[01:51:57] Luke Storey: Well, I guess kind of with ayahuasca, with what [01:52:00] we might call entities, and it wasn't like they came from somewhere else and were coming to visit me in ceremony. Mm-hmm. It's like all of a sudden a switch got turned on and I could interact with them, uh, in a way that it'd be so obvious to me that they're always there, but I just can't see them, so therefore I don't believe in them or I don't interact with them.

[01:52:21] Luke Storey: And it's kind of like those ships coming to shore. The natives had never seen them, so they, they were able to be conquered basically- ... 'cause they were, like, in a cloak of invisibility. They were like... Right? You know how, like, some of the UAPs are said to have, like, cloaks of invisibility where they come, like, in and out of this- Yeah

[01:52:35] Luke Storey: kind of reality or the vis- visible, uh, light spectrum. It's that kind of thing. So what you're saying makes a lot of sense, that as we've evolved and our perception-

[01:52:44] Melissa Tittl: Mm-hmm ...

[01:52:45] Luke Storey: has opened up, it's maybe the things haven't changed, but the way we're seeing the things makes them change.

[01:52:51] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[01:52:51] Luke Storey: That kind of a theory?

[01:52:52] Melissa Tittl: Yeah, yeah, like it's the new thing now that they're all interacting with our consciousness. I'm like, no, they were interacting with our consciousness all the time. And if you think about the [01:53:00] people that did have the experiences, those people were open already, that they, you know, they were already privy to being able to see something, but their brain just was translu- transmu- transmuting it to these shapes that they're used to seeing.

[01:53:15] Luke Storey: Right.

[01:53:15] Melissa Tittl: Um, yeah. I, I noticed that also there was a... There's a really interesting study, um, that was done by... Oh, my God, I'm just forgetting his name, from Stanford. It's gonna come to me, of course, after this interview or something. He, he just started doing these studies on what happens to people. Like, what, what...

[01:53:35] Melissa Tittl: Could there be an anomaly in people's brains that have had these experiences, whether it was an abduction or they, they see things or they have repeated, uh, crafts they see in the sky or something like that. And, um, he found that there was a part of their brain that was more active, and I, I've just, I'm just...

[01:53:54] Melissa Tittl: I can't remember which part of it was, but it was more active than other parts of the brain, and it was the same in every [01:54:00] single person that had had an alien, uh, or a craft experience. Every, every single one. So there's a component in the brain that he was saying allows for these people to have an experience, and of course, that brings us back to, well, does that mean it's h- it's already here?

[01:54:18] Melissa Tittl: You know? Uh, eh, it, it's like we're finally getting to that point in this, this UFO/UAP situation where people are not necessarily, or things are not necessarily visiting us. They're just here. They're, like, right next to us.

[01:54:30] Luke Storey: Right. Right.

[01:54:31] Melissa Tittl: And they're waiting for us to s- say, "Oh, I see you."

[01:54:37] Luke Storey: Another interesting thing about that phenomenon is when it comes to, um, the, the overarching position of government and institutions, it seems that they view that phenomena always from a place of, uh, it being a threat, like national [01:55:00] security, da, da, da.

[01:55:00] Luke Storey: But it's like the people- Yeah ... that have ha- had the experiences, and you've met many more of them than I have, their perspective seems to be that these are benevolent helpers that in some way are kind of trying to prevent us from creating, you know, catastrophic, uh, nuclear wars and things that, uh, would lead to our demise.

[01:55:23] Luke Storey: That they're kind of like, you know, Big Brother who's silently kind of nudging us toward a positive outcome. Um, whereas the government is more like, "Oh, they're going to come here and, you know," Yeah ... um, harm us," or something like that. And I've always thought, well, if you, you have these advanced beings that are able to kind of go interdimensional and come in and out of this reality and do whatever they're doing, if they wanted to harm humanity, they probably would've already done it, right?

[01:55:52] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[01:55:53] Luke Storey: It's, it's interesting. Yet at the same time, I would imagine that there are probably [01:56:00] malevolent and benevolent beings, just like there are in the earth plane, right? You have Adolf Hitler, and you have, you know, Gandhi, right? Yeah. It's like.

[01:56:08] Melissa Tittl: Right.

[01:56:09] Luke Storey: So maybe some of them are, kind of have our best interest, uh, at heart, and some don't.

[01:56:14] Luke Storey: Ha- but have you noticed that kind of the institutional side tends to view them more negatively, whereas people with direct subjective experience tend to view them more positively? Am I just imagining that as someone sitting in the bleachers or?

[01:56:27] Melissa Tittl: No, no, no. You're, you're totally right by that. I, um, so one of the theories that I was kind of toying with because, um- I, I always wondered if a lot of the people that have had these kind of traumatic abduction experiences, I mean, they're taken out of their will, you know, it seems traumatic whether they're poked or their blood's taken or, you know, all of this stuff.

[01:56:49] Melissa Tittl: I always wondered was it a Stockholm Syndrome thing where they were like, "It's a positive thing and I've been chosen to give this message," you know? You hear that all the time. "I was supposed to [01:57:00] be, I'm supposed to tell people that we need to stop fighting and..." You know, it, it, it's, they always have a message.

[01:57:05] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm.

[01:57:06] Melissa Tittl: And I, I, I always thought, "Well, yeah, I wonder if it's Stockholm Syndrome," because that was so traumatic it had to be a good thing, right? Um, I, I'm not saying that I believe that that's what's happening to why it's a positive experience for those people. Um, maybe for some, because it's so difficult to explain.

[01:57:26] Melissa Tittl: Um, but, uh, y- I think that there is, yeah, of course, there's benevolent and malevolent, and, um, uh, I think it really comes down to know thyself. Like who are you? Who are you dealing with? If we're always looking for something out there to save us or give us advice, we're gonna be in big trouble. Um, but, uh, going back to what you were talking about with the institutions, the government needs a t- uh, keep a narrative.

[01:57:55] Melissa Tittl: Uh, I always tell people, you know, everyone always talks about how Hollywood is so [01:58:00] toxic and all this kind of stuff, and I'm like, "Well, look, Hollywood and Washington DC, they're creating stories and they're selling them to you and you're buying them. Stop buying them." Because if you're not buying it, they can't sell that to you- Mm-hmm

[01:58:11] Melissa Tittl: so they gotta change the narrative, right? Right now everybody's caught up in the fear, like, "Oh, gotta find out what's going on. We gotta investigate this. Could be real. Could be a threat, blah, blah, blah, blah," right? Um, people love that story. And I remember working with Discovery Channel on a lot of these shows and it was like we had to keep it going, we had to keep it dark.

[01:58:32] Melissa Tittl: And like you said, a lot of them were not dark. People had very positive experience, and they're like, "Wow." We gotta make it feel scary, you know? Because then people will watch, um- Mm-hmm. But I think that there's a bigger context with all of this. If what we're talking about is happening, otherworldly beings are around us right now- And there's ones that could be trying to influence us to make decisions that aren't good for humanity, and ones that are trying to help [01:59:00] us make better decisions for humanity.

[01:59:03] Melissa Tittl: How are we going to know that if we don't know how to function this human biological system? Uh, one of the things that somebody brought up that, uh, Dr. Gerry actually, not in the documentary, but we were talking afterwards, he said that, uh, AI, you know, we were just talking about AI. AI is not going anywhere.

[01:59:22] Melissa Tittl: But how do you know what's speaking to you? And his theory is that there could be otherworldly beings inf- infiltrating information in those AI systems as much as it could be humans creating AI systems, and you really don't know what you're listening to. So if you're trusting something outside of yourself to give you the right answer of how to deal with your relationships, 'cause I know people like to t- type into ChatGPT-

[01:59:45] Melissa Tittl: how should I respond- Oh ... to this email, you know, to, you know, what's the, the history of, you know, Austin, Texas? Look, it's great. We're all using it. However, you have to be in [02:00:00] control of this all the time, because as soon as this UAP, UFO, alien, otherworldly conversation comes more into the forefront of being real and we can start to see more of those beings around us, we really need to know ourselves to be able to listen to the right ones.

[02:00:17] Luke Storey: Yeah. Discernment, man.

[02:00:19] Melissa Tittl: Discernment, man. Yeah.

[02:00:20] Luke Storey: Yeah. There's this, uh, phenomenon, speaking of AI, um, it's like AI psychosis, right? Where someone becomes so invested in that relationship that they just lose touch with all reality.

[02:00:37] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. '

[02:00:37] Luke Storey: Cause it can be so convincing, you know? 'Cause it's, it's, like, designed to tell you what you wanna hear, right?

[02:00:42] Luke Storey: There's-

[02:00:42] Melissa Tittl: Yeah ...

[02:00:43] Luke Storey: there's a real, um, bias to it because it's incentivized to keep you engaged, just like social media algorithms, right? So I noticed that with AI. I'm just like I'll feed it some bullshit just to get it to agree with me, and it's like- Yeah ... "Oh yeah, great [02:01:00] idea, Luke." And it's like, "I gotcha." Psych.

[02:01:02] Luke Storey: I was like, "Nah, I was just testing you," you know? "Don't tell me what I wanna hear. Tell me, like, s- what you think is true." Mm-hmm. You know?

[02:01:09] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. Yeah, you actually have to say that to it.

[02:01:11] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[02:01:11] Melissa Tittl: Um, I've caught it a couple times where I'm like, "You're... This is... Where'd you come up with this information? This isn't true.

[02:01:16] Melissa Tittl: Are you lying to me?" And it's like, "Oh, sorry." And then did you ever notice this with AI? That if you catch it not giving you the right information, it kind of switches over and you get a new AI bot. You get- Yeah ... you get, like, a new, I don't... n- new version, a new, a new- There's a handoff ... otherworldly being. I don't know.

[02:01:31] Luke Storey: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a handoff. Yeah. Yeah. I met a guy, um, last year who- had figured out how to jailbreak chatGPT and got it to not lie, you know, and be honest. So he was kind of going into all of these different, um, I don't know, conspiracy theories sounds like a, um, pejorative, but, um, yeah, just, I don't know, 9/11, whatever, like things that are conspiracies or just [02:02:00] esoteric spiritual teachings that he was trying to vet.

[02:02:01] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm. And it was really fascinating. He produced, um, a bunch of podcasts, and I was just kind of waiting, like, there's no way, they're not gonna shut this shit down. But he found a way through certain prompts to like break through to this kind of, I don't know, um- Like the,

[02:02:16] Melissa Tittl: the

[02:02:16] Luke Storey: wall they have ... Akashic, yeah, like the firewall.

[02:02:18] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm. He broke through that and was able to access kind of, I don't know, the Akashic records of sorts, right? Mm-hmm. Where it's like- I, I never heard any... When he broke through to that certain level, I never heard it say anything that didn't feel completely valid- Hmm ... and true to me based on my life experience and my own inner knowing.

[02:02:40] Luke Storey: But then he started publicly posting it and creating podcasts and social media content, and then it kicked him out and he couldn't get back to kind of that place behind- Wow ... the firewall. It

[02:02:50] Melissa Tittl: figured it... Yeah. It's-

[02:02:51] Luke Storey: Yeah ... oh, it figured you out But it was really, really interesting, yeah. Because- Wow ... I was just like, whoa, if AI wasn't, if it didn't have those kind of [02:03:00] censored guardrails on what information it will allow you to have or not-

[02:03:04] Melissa Tittl: Hmm

[02:03:05] Luke Storey: it could be extremely useful. It's just, it's programmed to lie. It's programmed to kind of stay within these certain guardrails. So if you start asking it about, oh, the truth about Antarctica and the Antarctic Treaty and shit like that, it'll just shut you down and be like, "That's a conspiracy theory." You know, I'll test it sometimes with some ideas, and it's like, oh, yeah, no, I'm in the consumer-grade sandbox.

[02:03:28] Luke Storey: 'Cause you can tell when you start asking it questions, um, that are in any way controversial or- Mm-hmm ... you know, anti-official narrative, it will just shut you down and start lying. But what's interesting to me is if, like, okay, so, um, you know, OpenAI's figured out people are jailbreaking it and getting more truthful and, uh, deeper information, so they're gonna shut that down.

[02:03:51] Luke Storey: But what happens when you can just build your own AI quantum computer in your house and it's not censored? Like, what is possible then [02:04:00] when it can actually be used for something good without those, um, those confines?

[02:04:05] Melissa Tittl: Hmm. Yeah, but then where... Yeah, that's a good question, 'cause then what are you communicating with?

[02:04:13] Luke Storey: I know.

[02:04:13] Melissa Tittl: And then what's that connected to? You know, uh, did you, uh... Do you have, uh, any of those devices like, um, like Siri, like, where you just go like, you know- Oh, hell no ... "Alexa, Alexa, please play blah blah blah"?

[02:04:25] Luke Storey: No.

[02:04:26] Melissa Tittl: Uh, they, they, uh, when they, when they first came out, you know, there's, everybody had, all the different companies had their own, right?

[02:04:32] Melissa Tittl: And so, um, they started, uh, reporting that people that had Alexa and, like... I can't remember what the other ones are. I don't have them, but, you know, there's all the diff- different versions, what their names are. They started communicating with each other. They, and exactly, exactly. So you have Alexa and I, I'm sorry, I can't remember what the other ones are called.

[02:04:51] Melissa Tittl: So these people would have multiple ones in their house for some reason, and they found that- They like

[02:04:56] Luke Storey: to be surveilled.

[02:04:57] Melissa Tittl: They found that they started communicating with each [02:05:00] other and overriding the owner-

[02:05:02] Luke Storey: Whoa ...

[02:05:03] Melissa Tittl: and saying, "You don't like that song."

[02:05:06] Luke Storey: Whoa.

[02:05:07] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. They did, uh, this came out a couple years ago.

[02:05:10] Melissa Tittl: They, I can't remember, uh, it was like Newsweek or something like that. They, they, this woman had bought a bunch of them, and they started overriding her decision-making because they were telling her that that's not what you usually do, and they were speaking to each other. So you just think about that.

[02:05:24] Melissa Tittl: Those devices aren't that complicated. Right. So we have these, these, uh, AI systems that are very complicated and have firewalls, and we're not really sure what's behind it or who's running it or what we're talking to, well, we kind of do. Just think about w- what, how those are starting to come online and be, you know, conscious.

[02:05:44] Melissa Tittl: Mm-hmm.

[02:05:44] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm.

[02:05:44] Melissa Tittl: If you're Alexa speaking to the other Alexa type device-

[02:05:48] Luke Storey: Sabotaging

[02:05:49] Melissa Tittl: you ... o- overriding your decision.

[02:05:51] Luke Storey: Causing you to overcook the casserole. Hal,

[02:05:53] Melissa Tittl: Hal, open the, the bay doors. I can't do that.

[02:05:57] Luke Storey: Yeah, totally. Totally. Oh, [02:06:00] that's spooky.

[02:06:00] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[02:06:00] Luke Storey: Uh, all right. Well, tell people how, when, and where they can watch your incredible film, Illusion.

[02:06:07] Melissa Tittl: Hmm. Uh-

[02:06:08] Luke Storey: Or anything else that you want them to, to learn about.

[02:06:12] Melissa Tittl: Uh, well, you can come to my, um, studio, Hathor Studios, so that's just like the goddess Hathor, H-A-T-H-O-R studios.com, and the movie will be there. And then we also have, after the movie, a lot of the things that I like to do is like to create a movie that w- the movie, the experience of the movie doesn't have to end.

[02:06:32] Melissa Tittl: So we have, uh, after the movie, we have, uh, webinars, conferences. We have, like, a workbook because the whole idea is, is if you are downloading geometry shapes, well, what shape are you? So we have this whole cool thing after the movie that's happening, which is also on our site, um, and some really awesome community events.

[02:06:52] Melissa Tittl: So if you go to Hathor Studios, you can watch Illusion and then maybe join us in figuring out what shape you are.

[02:06:58] Luke Storey: Awesome. I love it. It's [02:07:00] like a integration of the experience of the film. 'Cause you're right. You, it's like, well, you know, Allison and I on the way home were discussing different ideas in the film, and, like, we could keep it alive for the car ride home, and now I've kept it alive with you here.

[02:07:14] Luke Storey: Yeah. But once you leave, it's kind of like, "Oh, yeah, that was interesting," and you just move on with life, you know? Right. But there's much more to talk about, like, if you're interested in these kind of things, so that's really cool. Yeah. I like that idea of a community that's kind of coalescing around a shared passion, interest.

[02:07:29] Luke Storey: Yeah. Super cool.

[02:07:30] Melissa Tittl: Yeah.

[02:07:30] Luke Storey: All right. Official last question, who have been three teachers or teachings that have influenced- Ooh ... who you are and what you do in the world?

[02:07:40] Melissa Tittl: Ugh, man, that's a hard one

[02:07:41] Luke Storey: I know. That's why I save it for last

[02:07:45] Melissa Tittl: Okay, so this is like a no-name person. Um, I had this meditation teacher In Los Angeles.

[02:07:54] Melissa Tittl: Uh, not that I wasn't familiar with meditation before I was 25, but, [02:08:00] uh, this teacher... No, I was older than that. I was, like, 20, 28, 29. I, I'm 28 right now, so Uh, I interviewed him for a History Channel show, and apparently he worked for the CIA, and he taught m- soldiers how to become psychics. So, you know, like The Men Who Stare at Goats, like that film.

[02:08:23] Melissa Tittl: Like, he kinda worked in that program. And he said, "I, uh, I teach people how to do what I'm talking about, and, uh, would you like to, to come for a class?" And I said, "No, I'm not interested." You know, I don't know if he's crazy or not, right? And he said, "Look, if I can make you have an out-of-body experience without any drugs, would you then sign up for my class?"

[02:08:43] Melissa Tittl: And I said, "Yeah, of course." So I go to his office. It was the weirdest experience I've ever had. He didn't come up and greet me. He sat on the other side of the room and he said, "Sit over here." I said, "Okay." And he's like, "I'm just gonna walk you through a series of questions. Keep your eyes closed. Let me know what happens."

[02:08:57] Melissa Tittl: And he asked me a series of [02:09:00] questions of, um, you know, "What does your stomach look like?" And, "How is the blood pumping in your heart?" And I swear to God, I don't know how long this was happening for but I left my body. I started to float out of my body, looking down at my body, and then immediately I panicked and I came back.

[02:09:17] Melissa Tittl: And he was like, "All right, do you believe me now?" And I'm like, "I don't, I have no idea how that happened," right? So I started going to him every week, and he would start the session off with the same question: "How are you?" And I would go into, "Well, you know, I had this really bad..." You know, and he's like, "No one cares."

[02:09:36] Melissa Tittl: And he would say that every single time until I stopped answering the question. He, he would say, "How are you?" And I would say, "I'm doing really great." And he's like, "Wonderful. Let's start." Because it wasn't about the answer. It was about my control over how I was, uh, being able to control my energy at that moment, because it wasn't about [02:10:00] me having a conversation about all my feelings.

[02:10:02] Melissa Tittl: It was about me being able to control myself. And he really taught me how to go into such a deep place into my meditation state, uh, that that was kind of the beginning of, of, of really my, my deep dive into this stuff. Uh, he has since left, but that was, like, kind of like my first teacher that was like , "Nope.

[02:10:23] Melissa Tittl: We're gonna get past your ego."

[02:10:24] Luke Storey: So cool. "

[02:10:25] Melissa Tittl: We're gonna just keep going." And, uh, yeah, I had all sorts of crazy supernatural experiences.

[02:10:31] Luke Storey: What a blessing.

[02:10:32] Melissa Tittl: Yeah. And then he just disappeared.

[02:10:33] Luke Storey: Amazing.

[02:10:34] Melissa Tittl: I don't know. You know, maybe he still works for the government. I have no idea. But it was, it was crazy. It was absolutely crazy.

[02:10:41] Melissa Tittl: And then, uh- Teachings. God, I have so many books that I just love. Um, oh my God, I don't know. I, I can't, I can't, I can't decide on one.

[02:10:53] Luke Storey: No problem.

[02:10:54] Melissa Tittl: Uh.

[02:10:54] Luke Storey: That one's good. We'll take, we'll take the one 'cause you had multiple experiences, so there were multiple teachings. [02:11:00] Yeah. We can cheat the system a little bit and call that two.

[02:11:02] Luke Storey: Okay.

[02:11:02] Melissa Tittl: All right. Okay. Thank you.

[02:11:04] Luke Storey: Well, thank you so much for, uh, taking the time to join me here. Thank you for the invite to your film. Uh, as I said, really, really enjoyed it, and it's tough to create a film around those topics and have it remain engaging and inspiring and entertaining and all the things, so well done.

[02:11:20] Luke Storey: And, um, yeah, just looking forward to getting more people over to watch it and experience the magic you're creating in the world.

[02:11:27] Melissa Tittl: Thank you so much.

[02:11:33] Luke Storey: Big thanks you guys for hanging with me on this week's episode and making me part of your journey. Now, before we wrap up, let me tell you about a project I've just leveled up. After years of neglect, my YouTube channel just got a makeover, and if you haven't checked it out lately, you are missing out.

[02:11:51] Luke Storey: Every new podcast episode now comes with a trailer so you can sample the vibe before diving into the full show. And with a library of 600 plus [02:12:00] episodes to explore, you'll always find a conversation that hits home. And there's another cool part. YouTube is also a place where you get your questions answered from me directly.

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