[00:00:00] Luke: We're back in studio with Alyson Charles Storey, Episode 621. Can you believe that, Sweetie?

[00:00:09] Alyson: Every time I hear the episode numbers for your podcast, it is pretty astounding, I have to say. And that's coming from someone who's spent pretty much her entire professional career in media and involving interviews and episode numbers. And 621, that's real solid.

[00:00:27] Luke: Just reminding me of something. When I started out in 2016, I was looking at some of the other popular podcast in the genre of personal development and things like that and wellness and whatnot, and I was looking at these astronomical download numbers from certain people.

[00:00:49] And then, of course, looking at my own in the beginning, which were like 20 people, and I figured out that back in the day, I don't know if they still do this, but the way a few podcasters gamed the system in terms of being able to claim a number of downloads is they would do these daily, 5 or 10-minute episodes. And then they're up to episode 5,000 or whatever, but some of them just micro drops.

[00:01:19] Alyson: Because at that point, I don't know if it's changed-- because you know I'm not a very data driven human being. I'm a divine driven human being. But back in that time, wasn't it like to get the download, they did or did not have to make it through the whole "episode?"

[00:01:37] Luke: I think back in the day, you just had to click play.

[00:01:40] Alyson: Okay.

[00:01:41] Luke: Yeah. And now I don't think a download counts-- I could be mistaken also, but I don't think downloads count now unless the listener gets a little ways into it.

[00:01:52] Alyson: Yeah, I think there's something like that.

[00:01:54] Luke: Yeah. So anyway, I was like, "If that's the game, maybe I'll do that." So I contemplated that. Then I realized I literally can't do anything in under 10 minutes. Once I sit down and talk to someone or I start talking, even on a solo cast, it's going to be at least 60 minutes, if not our normal length, which is a couple of hours.

[00:02:19] Alyson: Now that you've been having me joining you more regularly as you're in your book writing process, I am usually the one that's like, "My battery's running low. I think it's time for us to wrap it up." And you're just, not getting started, but you could go for way longer. And Cookie and I are the ones-- it's the girls who are like, "Hello."

[00:02:40] Luke: Especially if it's close to 4 o'clock when Cookie eats. She ain't having it.

[00:02:44] Alyson: Right. What's funny too is while, yes, you are a micro doser of certain tinctures and things in general in that lane of the world, you're also more of a macro doser than a micro doser too. Your being in general is more of a macro kind of human, whereas I'm more of a subtle micro girl.

[00:03:11] Luke: I think the kids call that being extra.

[00:03:14] Alyson: Okay, maybe that could apply. What about doing a shift into the love field? Did you not want to do that anymore?

[00:03:21] Luke: I would love to do that. I would love to do the love field.

[00:03:24] Alyson: Okay. So this is just going to be a super brief practice that Luke and I do. It's one of our connection rituals. And while Luke and I have been doing our own version of this for many, many years, I do want to honor one of my friends and teachers, Paige Britt, because some of the verbiage that I/Luke and I might be using in this brief practice comes from her teaching.

[00:03:59] So I do want to honor her in this. And yeah, I just noticed I'm already feeling really grounded. So it felt like it would be a good idea to do this. If you're driving, I think it would probably be most advisable for you to maybe fast forward through this part or find your sturdy, hearty center line of your being and stay grounded while we're doing this shift. How does that sound to you?

[00:04:35] Luke: Sounds great.

[00:04:37] Alyson: Okay. So for those of you who feel called to join us in this very brief journey, let's connect first to our physical body and find the natural cadence of your breath, not making your breath do or be anything other than what it wants to flow and do naturally right now. Just find the natural wave circuitry and rhythm of your breath, feeling within your physical body, your cells the flow of your blood.

[00:05:45] And as you get more attuned to your sacred physical vessel, just dropping into that safety that always exists inside of you, accessing and finding that security and safety. Perhaps you can even notice where inside of your body that secure point exists, giving honor and thanks to that point within you, and letting it open up inside of your entire body.

[00:06:45] And now feeling your connection to our great mother Earth. I love to notice the color that she presents to me each day when I meet her. So as you meet our sacred Earth mother in this moment, just feeling her hearty, nourishing texture and seeing if she has a color to show you today. Maybe take a moment to acknowledge Earth Mother. Thank her for whatever you want to thank her for.

[00:07:53] And you can have your eyes closed for this last part of the journey, or if you happen to be listening to this episode in the same room as someone else, you could also go the route of both opening your eyes and looking at one another and allowing yourself to open and shift into the field of loving awareness now.

[00:08:36] And as this field of love meets you, and you meet it, and as you allow yourself to breathe with it as one, just noticing how you feel, noticing the subtle shifts arriving as you entrain to the space. And remembering the truth that lives here, and the truth that is you, the truth that is me, the truth that is us. And just letting love hold all of that now together. Give thanks. And so it is.

[00:09:58] Luke: That's a wrap. Thanks for joining me today, Alyson.

[00:10:02] Alyson: That's the transmission--

[00:10:02] Luke: You guys can find the show notes at lukestorey.com/621. That was really nice.

[00:10:07] Alyson: Oh, I still feel it. I'm so glad.

[00:10:11] Luke: I'd like to do that before every episode. I usually do my own 10-second version of it with the guest sitting there.

[00:10:20] Alyson: Yeah. And it can be 10 seconds truly. That's the beauty of that. Yeah.

[00:10:26] Luke: Yeah. It's incredible what just a few moments of intentional presence can do.

[00:10:31] Alyson: And especially too, with-- so a lot of that, especially in the beginning, getting into the flow of the blood and the bones, that's more of my shamanic roots and just organic pulsing of my soul and the way I connect. But then with Paige's training and the way that you and I have been practicing for quite a long time now, it gets especially potent.

[00:10:59] She calls it relational awakening. So it gets even more potent, one can say when-- even right now as you and I are looking into one another's eyes, I still feel like we're still holding that field of loving awareness, and it can get amplified and potentially maintained longer, all of these things, when you are cross-referencing and training with another person, Cookie, the tree, all of that. So some of those weavings are more specific to the way Paige does it.

[00:11:37] Luke: Beautiful. So we've got a few topics to discuss today. And for those that have listened to our past few listener Q&As, this one's going to be a little different and go back to the old-school Luke and Alyson, conversational, see if we can unpack some of the things we've learned lately that are maybe useful to people that have been useful to us. And just what some of our life experiences are, have been, and are going to be. And how we're holding that and applying whatever wisdom we can to it.

[00:12:18] Alyson: Yeah. With that, I personally would love to start with checking in with you and where you're at in the process of honoring your dear dad, Alan Andrew Storey. recently was the next big step in that journey for you regarding having his memorial service. And there's various details that I'd love for you to cover pertaining to that trip.

[00:12:48] Luke: Yeah. That particular portal in life has been so interesting because it's been a few months since he graduated, and it's like I've never done it before, so I don't know what it's supposed to look like. But the interesting thing about it is the whole experience is so out of linear time.

[00:13:21] Alyson: Mm-hmm.

[00:13:23] Luke: It's feels like yesterday. It feels like 20 years ago and somewhere in the middle. In earth time, it's been a few months. I think the levels of-- it's not just the grief or mourning. It's just the levels of reality of just reconciling the fact of the matter that someone with whom I shared 54 years and really loved and loved me back is no longer here in the form that I was so used to.

[00:14:07] Alyson: Yeah. He and your mom were the two humans on this planet that you loved the longest.

[00:14:12] Luke: Yeah, yeah.

[00:14:13] Alyson: When you look at it through certain lenses, it can get really trippy. It's like they're the first humans to know you. They're the first humans that you smelled and touched. They're the first humans you felt love with. It's wild.

[00:14:28] Luke: Yeah, it's a deep bond. I think the number of years is really meaningful. And that became more clear to me at his memorial in Colorado, which happened, for a number of reasons, a few months after he actually passed away. Because he was 81, many of his friends had already peaced out, so there weren't that many old timers there. But there were a few.

[00:15:00] And they come up and talk to me. Some of them I'd met before. A few of them I had not. And they would say things, "Oh, I knew your dad forever. We've been friends for 40 years." And I'd be thinking, shit, we've been friends for 54 years. I think I knew him longer than anyone in that room. And there's 60 people in there that he was really close to.

[00:15:25] Alyson: That does feel really significant.

[00:15:27] Luke: Yeah. That hit me. Yeah, so it's like there are these deeper levels of acceptance that appear every time I have the opportunity to just feel into it. And I think when it first happened it was so surreal in the immediate, but also just in the weeks following. But I had the wherewithal to really make sure I created space to just be present to the whole thing.

[00:16:07] And I was really careful not to bypass or stuff any of the feelings or to just miss any of the, I don't know, anything that I could learn from it. And then some of the emotional intensity started to subside, and then I had to get back to day-to-day life and start focusing on 600 podcasts to go and all the things and working on my book.

[00:16:39] Alyson: Did you notice just a shift in what felt important to you?

[00:16:44] Luke: Yeah, that's a good question. I think my relationships with those still living became more relevant and valuable, especially with my two brothers.

[00:17:01] Alyson: Mm-hmm.

[00:17:02] Luke: I don't have a very close family, as you know. Both sides of my family are disjointed, and many people have passed away. I've never had the-- my parents divorced when I was really young, but even on both sides, when I was a kid, there were Christmases here and there and things like that, but just never had the experience of a tight-knit family until now with you and our little furry friend over here, and our furry friend behind you, our newest--

[00:17:34] Alyson: And the furry friend buried in our yard.

[00:17:37] Luke: Yeah, yeah. Jelly Boy. The newest addition to our family here. So yeah, it's just like, wow. And even seeing some of my distant relatives with whom I'm not in frequent contact and just--

[00:17:51] Alyson: How was that?

[00:17:52] Luke: It was beautiful. Yeah, it was really cool. I got to see some of my cousins and my aunts and--

[00:17:58] Alyson: It was neat for me to chat with some of these people whose names I've heard for so many years. And for some reason I didn't really think that I would ever meet these people-- most of them. I thought they would just remain these myths and legends. And then I was hugging them and chatting with them. It was really nice.

[00:18:19] Luke: Yeah. So I think that's been a huge part of it, is just really cherishing the time that I have with people. And there've been a number of occasions since my dad passed where I've had pangs of guilt around the many times he texted me, "Hey, let's hang out. Let's talk." And I'm just like, "Ah, I'm too busy." I remember getting annoyed when he would text me sometimes because I was just overwhelmed with work and things that seem to be more important.

[00:18:55] So when those memories or those thoughts have come up, I've had to be really mindful to be kind to myself because I know that he understood. And wherever he is now, I'm sure understands that he was retired, so he had a lot of time on his hand. But I didn't have.

[00:19:17] But I think with those still living, it's definitely left an impression on me in terms of really what are your priorities? And just knowing that, especially with older people, parents and older relatives, say you visit them once a year and they're in their 70s or 80s, how many more days are you going to spend with them? How many more summers or Christmas or whenever you go visit?

[00:19:41] Alyson: Yeah. I'm very aware every time I go to Indiana to see my parents, it, just bluntly put, could absolutely be the last time I'm sharing physical space with them every time I go up there. I'm very aware of that.

[00:19:56] Luke: Yeah, yeah. So how many more phone calls are you going to have? And the thing too, I think part of the mourning process that didn't hit right away, it was more of a delayed reaction, was just-- I think because in the beginning I was focused on, thank God my dad didn't suffer, and it wasn't cancer, this long-drawn-out thing. He didn't end up with dementia and in assisted living and a walker. He just would've not been having any of that. If he didn't have a quality of life, he was just not the kind of person that would be interested in being here.

[00:20:33] Alyson: Didn't he also say that too? I could be wrong.

[00:20:36] Luke: Absolutely.

[00:20:38] Alyson: He was very clear he didn't--

[00:20:39] Luke: No, he was much more afraid of that than actually dying. So I think in the beginning I was like, wow, thank God that he went out the way that probably worked for him. But then it started to hit, like, shit. 81 isn't that old. He could have lived until he was 90, 95. His mom lived until she was 99. And then I started looking at those years like, wow, what would another five or 10 or 15 years look like?

[00:21:10] Five more visits or 10 more visits, or how many more dozens of phone calls, and things like that. So that's been something that I've been working to reconcile. But I think the good news is, zooming out, and for anyone listening that still has living parents, I'm just so grateful that we didn't have any unfinished business. I'm just like, "Oh my God. Thank God there were no grievances or resentments." All had been forgiven.

[00:21:48] And the interesting thing about that, because there was a lot of pain between us, as you know. When I was a kid, he was in a really bad place. He was really hurting and hurt me a lot as a result. And throughout the 25 years, maybe 28 years that we were both really working on ourselves, beginning at the time when I got sober, when I was 26, he was already on his healing path.

[00:22:12] And it's interesting the way our relationship and some of that, what I perceived to be trauma from my childhood, a lot of those things were just resolved and forgiven without necessarily having to talk about the details of them. There was a silent acknowledgement.

[00:22:35] And I think that was made possible by the fact that we were both working on ourselves so diligently and being really honest and real with one another. There was an intimacy that developed over the years between us where some things really didn't need to be said in order to be resolved because the man he was when he was a kid that hurt me in so many ways was gone.

[00:23:03] And he evolved into a completely different person. There was a real transformation there. And the same with me. Although at times when I was making the rounds of making amends to people I had harmed in my years of addiction, I made very clear and very direct amend to him for all the grief I caused him and stealing money from him and shady shit that I did that hurt him, whether he knew about it or not.

[00:23:27] And even by that time, I think I asked him if I could pay him the money back to make restitution. It wasn't a lot of money, but when I was a kid, I'd go into his pants if he was in the shower and take 100. My dad, he was old-school. He always had a money clip with like 1,000 bucks and hundreds or something in there. So when I was a kid, I'd go and take 100 bucks. Take 100 bucks to buy weed basically.

[00:23:52] Alyson: Back in those days, that's a lot of money.

[00:23:54] Luke: Yeah. So I was just sneaky, and I felt so guilty about that. And I owned that. Can I start paying you back? And he just laughed. He was like, "Oh my God." Obviously, he didn't care. So yeah, that's the thing. I think the takeaway is just, a, the guy was an absolute legend. Lived the best life ever. I think he seized every possible opportunity for growth and awakening in the time that he was here.

[00:24:27] And I look at his life as very successful in terms of spiritual progress and remembering who he was. So I'm so grateful on his behalf that he was able to accomplish what he did here. And also that I really don't think there was anything unsaid that needed to be said. And those things that I felt I needed to say, I said to him when he was in a coma. Just trusted that he could hear me.

[00:25:04] Alyson: Definitely.

[00:25:04] Luke: But it wasn't anything really heavy or unfinished. It was just things I wanted to reiterate to him or unsolicited advice I wanted to give him about what to do when you leave the body and make sure you get where you want to go out there and that kind of thing. It's a process.

[00:25:38] Alyson: Did you just remember that moment? Is that why you started to cry?

[00:25:50] Luke: I don't know why I started to cry. The whole thing probably. One thing I did say to him when he was in a coma is I, in a very clear and specific way-- I don't know if I ever really said this to him in point blank terms, but I did in the hospital. For some reason, I felt the need to tell him how badly he hurt me when I was a kid.

[00:26:33] Alyson: Mm-hmm.

[00:26:41] Luke: And more importantly, that he was forgiven without conditions or reservations. Just 100% complete forgiveness. But I don't know. I felt called. I felt I needed to tell him that. I don't know that when he was alive, I, as I said, ever really unpacked that with him because it didn't feel necessary because we just moved past it.

[00:27:11] But I think in the past few years, as I've gone really into every nook and cranny and core wound and shadow parts of myself, especially the second round of ayahuasca ceremonies I did, I really saw so clearly how I was impacted by that and how just the pain of some of those experiences with him early on really colored my life.

[00:27:45] And also they were the foundation of some of the patterns that I developed in relationships, that didn't serve me and things like that. So I could see a direct correlation and through line between that particular flavor of hurt. And I think, although it was necessary to discuss those things with him when he was alive, I think that's why I was motivated to just let him know that on his way out.

[00:28:16] Because I don't know that he fully understood the impact that his emotional storm and the anger that he carried, which was just hurt-- he was just so hurt in his life. And so the way he expressed that was through anger and rage. And I don't know that he ever connected the dots on the specifics of that and how it affected me. But he did by the time he left.

[00:28:41] Alyson: Yeah. And that feels of service to him as much as you, and to totality. Because if you're someone who believes in karma, believes in reincarnation, believes in making soul contracts, you feeling that deep soul level impulse to very clearly address that one particular aspect of your life journey with him and letting him on a mind, body, spirit, soul level understand the gravity, the depths, the impact, and then also the endpoint result that you had reached, complete forgiveness, you can imagine what that might be doing for a being as they're crossing into the other realms before they potentially start constructing their soul contract for the next go round.

[00:29:38] Understanding what they did, the actions, the repercussions, and the fact that it was a closed loop according to the person that they had impacted, that probably saved him various soul contract writings for the next go round if there is a next one. Who knows? There's infinite potential in terms of what came of you saying that one thing.

[00:30:02] Luke: That's a really great insight. I didn't think about it in that way. I think I was following the charm of my intuition.

[00:30:12] Alyson: That's the most important thing.

[00:30:14] Luke: Yeah. And just trusting that I have this impetus for a reason. So I just followed it. But yeah, I think that's a really good point, is anything I could do to, on my end, sever any of those karmic ties to be able to set him as free as I could in terms of whatever capacity I had to do.

[00:30:43] Alyson: What about the ashes? I really enjoyed a lot of things about your dad, but the fact that he's just-- it doesn't come much more of a rugged, authentic mountain man, cowboy than Alan Andrew Storey. And yet, as you have told a number of times, he devoted to learning himself inwardly, and committing to Joe Dispenza practices and tapping into the spiritual realms, which I really loved that he brought that kind of archetype busting medicine to earth.

[00:31:26] That there can be a man who grows up riddled with anger and being a rugged outdoors man who allows himself and gives himself the permission to really shift into ways that most wouldn't think a man like him would. And so I just thought it couldn't have been more perfect and hilarious the way that the last Colorado trip ended with you unexpectedly having to go on a true pilgrimage to deliver his ashes. It was perfection. Shout out to Alan Andrew Storey on that one.

[00:32:05] Luke: It wasn't lost on me either. His wife, May, my brothers, Andy and Cody, and I'll explain the story, but we were all laughing at that because we've all had so many experiences with him where, just, "Hey, I want to go up and look at this thing on the mountain." "Ah, it looks, looks far." "No, that's right up there. Don't worry. We'll be there in a minute." Just every adventure with him was 10x as difficult as he told you it was going to be.

[00:32:39] Alyson: I even had that one with the natural spring up on top of whatever that mountain was. And he is like, "Oh yeah." I decided to come with you guys because he was saying it wouldn't be that long of a drive. We were out literally the entire day. I had one snack bar, thank God I had packed in my purse.

[00:32:58] We were in the middle of nowhere, no cell reception for hours and hours and hours and hours on top of a mountain. I was starving. I was getting hungry. And yeah, what I thought would be a two or three-hour jaunt to a natural spring was literally a 12-hour situation.

[00:33:15] Luke: Every adventure with him was 10x as difficult, long, far, tall. It was colder, hotter. He's like very honest person. I just think he was so tough that he couldn't calibrate at all what might be tough for someone else. And this is my whole childhood. Going bear hunting, I'm a kid. I was just riding my skateboard at my mom's in California listening to Black Sabbath, smoking weed, real low key, not rugged at all. Super sensitive.

[00:33:53] Alyson: Wearing eyeliner.

[00:33:54] Luke: Yeah. Well, that was later on. Yeah. But no, I was really young. Take me bear hunting. It is like chasing a bear and her two cubs. The mama bear gets away, runs off, abandons her cubs. The two cubs run up a tall ass pine tree. His buddy climbs up the pine tree with a chainsaw, saws off the top of the tree where the two cubs are swinging. They, of course, tumble to the ground.

[00:34:27] One of them gets impaled and killed. Dad jumps on the one that survived with the gunny sack, captures it with his hands, throws it in the back of the truck, brings it home, and puts it in one of the dog kennels with his hunting dogs, and we have a pet bear.

[00:34:43] Alyson: It's super hardcore, all of that.

[00:34:45] Luke: And there's no mention of like, "Yeah, I know this is a little scary or weird." I'm sitting there crying, looking at the one that got impaled. I'm super sad.

[00:34:55] Alyson: And the mom.

[00:34:56] Luke: Yeah. I'm devastated because they're separated from their mom, and this is just like literally another day in the life of Alan Storey. So anyway, yeah, the ashes. I feel like this is becoming quite self-indulgent, so I'll try to wrap it up here. Again, if anything, I just want people to be able to take away how you might be able to hold a situation like this. And I'm sure there's people that have held it with more grace and all of that than I, but I'm doing my best with it and doing a decent job.

[00:35:27] So we're in Colorado. We do the memorial. His ashes are shipped there from Florida where he died. And scheduling all family members and all this stuff is a little difficult, but he had very few dying wishes. And the most important was probably that he wanted his ashes spread at this particular place on the top of Snowmass Mountain called Elk Camp, which is 11,000 feet up.

[00:35:59] And so we were all going to do that and just ride the chairlift up to the top of the mountain because the chairlifts at the ski resorts run in the summer, and you can just go up and enjoy the beauty. And some people will take the chairs up and ride their mountain bikes down and so on. But they didn't open until a week after the memorial, and for various reasons, we couldn't stay.

[00:36:22] And so my brother, Andy, and I decided to go just hike up the 11,000 foot mountain rather than staying for the chairlifts. And we asked a few people, and they're like, "Oh, it's a short hike, a couple of hours, whatever." And anyway, ended up being an eight-hour hike.

[00:36:44] Alyson: One way.

[00:36:45] Luke: Yeah. Each way. Now, was it each way or round trip? I think it was round trip.

[00:36:52] Alyson: Oh.

[00:36:52] Luke: Yeah.

[00:36:53] Alyson: All I know is you left in the morning and you came back hardly able to walk at night.

[00:36:58] Luke: Yeah, I had to get a med vac, I think they call it.

[00:37:02] Alyson: If anyone else watches the show Naked and Afraid, Luke and I--

[00:37:05] Luke: Med tap.

[00:37:06] Alyson: Yeah. Luke had to get an extraction vehicle brought to him through a med tap. His knees quit functioning. But Andy's wife, Paula went with you guys too, and she was just like trooper.

[00:37:18] Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Andy and Paula. Yeah, she's a beast. She's a tiny a girl, woman, and yeah, she was stopping and waiting for us. But basically, we hike up, I don't know, 4,000 feet or something, and then I realized in the beginning of the hike, we weren't supposed to be up there, first off. It's closed to the public.

[00:37:41] But I was just like, "You know what?" My dad would've never followed those rules ever. And if we did get stopped, which we did at one point, it's like, how are you going to send us back down the mountain considering what we're there to do? We're not up there to drink beers and listen to Skynyrd. We're doing real work here.

[00:38:01] Alyson: Right.

[00:38:02] Luke: But I got about probably a mile up and I realized that we could have just driven the whole way up. And I'm like, "Should we turn around and get the car?" And Andy and Paula were like, "Ah, we're already going. Let's just do it." Anyway, at many points just on the way up, I wanted to quit. This is just too much. I'm not in that kind of shape. We live in Texas. We don't have mountains here.

[00:38:25] I'm like, "I'm not in hiking shape." Very hot, ran out of water, just brutal. And we get up there, and as soon as we got to the top, I just knew that that's where I was supposed to be, and it just had to be that way. And every time I'd wanted to quit, I just thought of my dad. He didn't quit anything, ever.

[00:38:53] Alyson: And you were carrying him with you.

[00:38:55] Luke: Mm-hmm. And he used to say this thing to me a lot when I was a kid when I would be struggling to keep up with him and I'd want to quit, whatever it was. And granted the shit was too hard and brutal, and he shouldn't have been doing that to me a lot of time. But I would say, "I can't. I can't." I'd be crying, and he'd say, "There's no such thing as can't." I try to outsmart him and say, "You can't jump off the Golden Gate Bridge and live."

[00:39:25] So I try to find an intellectual loophole. But the sentiment was true. It's either a can't or a won't. And it's usually a won't. So as I'm going up the hill, I'm thinking, I just can't do this. And I could hear his voice, "No such thing as can't." It's like, I can, I just don't want to because this hurts. But we get up there, and I see why he picked that spot. I don't think I've ever been there in the summer.

[00:39:53] Alyson: It's gorgeous.

[00:39:54] Luke: Probably as a kid. I'm sure when I went skiing, I probably went up that lift, but it's much more magnificent in the summer. And it was just beautiful, man. So I had a ceremony up there. I'm just putting some tobacco on the land. Thank you for suggesting that. That was a great call. And just started to really just feel his presence.

[00:40:19] And just felt so much gratitude. I was really in communication with that particular piece of land and just thanking the land for holding my dad and giving him the life and the adventures that he had.

[00:40:33] Alyson: And it literally receiving him back into the womb of Mother Earth at that location.

[00:40:39] Luke: Yeah. I did a post on Instagram if anyone wants to see the beauty of it.

[00:40:43] Alyson: It's a tearjerker, heads up. Warning.

[00:40:46] Luke: Yeah. I got a lot of comments. "Oh my God, I'm bawling." I'm like, "I get it."

[00:40:51] Alyson: I sobbed again. When Devon and Nika were here, I showed them, and I started instantaneously. There's something so profound about that video.

[00:41:01] Luke: Yeah. It was a powerful moment. And it's really interesting too, just having my dad's ashes in my hands. I've never seen anyone's ashes, let alone touch them or put them anywhere. They were very grainy. They were chunky. I was expecting it to be a fine powder, and it's in my hand, and it's pretty windy up there.

[00:41:26] And so I didn't want to get blown in the face like I've seen in movies. So I found a precipice upon which to stand so that I could get them out into the wind, and just praying to him and praying to the mountains and did my thing. And it was really interesting. These kind of phenomenon, we wishfully hope that they are holding the meaning that we believe them to be, but it was just a normal wind that would be at the top of a mountain when I was out there.

[00:42:00] And so I throw the ashes out, and they gently blow away. And then I went up back to the top, and I gave my brother, Andy, his space to do his thing. And as soon as Andy threw his ashes out, the freaking wind went nuts. I mean just blow you over the top of the mountain right as he did that.

[00:42:24] I was like, "That's interesting." We've been out here for a couple hours. It's super chill, normal wind. And he throws that out and all of a sudden it's like a tornado. Could be just random or maybe not. And then he comes back, and I told him that, and he said, "Dude, didn't you notice right after you did that?"

[00:42:44] And Andy's not a woo woo guy at all. He goes, "Didn't you notice right after you did your ashes? The wind went totally bananas." And I don't think I had noticed that because I was walking back up the hill. So when both of us gave our offering, there was what might have been some kind of sign from him or sign from the winds of like, "Hi, we know you're here."

[00:43:11] Alyson: Great spirit in general working with the spirit of the Apus, the mountains. That whole experience ceremony, rarely does it ever get more powerful than that.

[00:43:27] Luke: Yeah, it was epic. So finished that and then set back down the mountain, and my brother started, rather than following the roads that zigzag gradually, I guess he wanted to get down fast. So we start going straight downwards. It's quite steep. And within probably a mile, my knees are totally smoked.

[00:43:53] I got hiking sticks, and I could barely walk. And so just inch by inch, it was torture, but the only other option is like, you send someone down and they go get the mountain rescue team and like air evacuate me out of there. I really didn't know what to do. But we got to probably, I don't know, a couple of hours down, and I'm going so slow.

[00:44:22] Eventually I just told Andy and Paula, I'm like, "Yo, why don't you guys just leave me here? I'm going to lay in the grass. Go get the car and just bust through the gate and just come get me." And then I kept walking. I took a rest and kept walking. And then I found a freaking spring, a little creek that had a nice pool, and I just took my clothes off and got in there and gave myself a full-blown, freezing ice bath. And that calmed the inflammation down.

[00:44:51] But then I really couldn't walk, so I just waited. And that's when the rescue vehicle, the extraction vehicle came me. So that was that adventure. And I would do it again if I had the opportunity. It was a beautiful experience and also a lesson in your 54, like, go easy on the eight-mile hikes up steep mountains.

[00:45:14] Alyson: Yeah. And there's something too that's very specific to a true pilgrimage. It's hard to articulate and put into words, but there's just a whole other happening activation, integration, entrainment that occurs when you are truly on a quest, truly on a pilgrimage. I'm not trying to talk about our Peru trip at all, especially not right now.

[00:45:43] Luke: I was actually going to bring that up. It's a good segue.

[00:45:45] Alyson: But there's one other thing before that, if we're going to go there. Peru trip would've been one thing. If it was a Peru trip, we went on a Peru pilgrimage. That's a whole other thing. So same thing here. I think there was just something very meant to be about you and Paula and Andy needing to go on a pilgrimage for these ashes.

[00:46:06] Luke: Oh, I agree 100%. It's funny because when we got to the top finally, I turn around and see that the chairlift goes right to the top, 50 feet from where we did the ashes.

[00:46:19] Alyson: Drops you right off.

[00:46:20] Luke: And in the moment we were up there, I was like, "Dude, if I would've waited a week, I would've just taken a 15-minute chairlift ride and been right here."

[00:46:28] Alyson: Enjoyed the view.

[00:46:29] Luke: Yeah, yeah. But even in that moment, I thought, no way, man. It had to be this way. And I wouldn't have wanted to ride the chairlift. I earned that 11,000 feet. I earned that moment. And it was also a beautiful tribute to my dad to put some work in and really like-- yeah, it was a blood, sweat and tears, literally.

[00:46:59] Alyson: Maybe the last thing we could just button everything up with, what about when we were literally leaving the trip and we pulled out of the house?

[00:47:10] Luke: Yeah.

[00:47:10] Alyson: Remember?

[00:47:11] Luke: Yeah. We pulled out of our rental, and I'm trying to think like, has this ever happened and I just forgot? I really don't think it has. I've spent a lot of time in the outdoors in the mountains.

[00:47:23] Alyson: Never happened to me.

[00:47:24] Luke: Yeah. When you see hawks, you might see one like way up in a tree, or obviously, you see them flying and soaring in the sky. I don't think I've ever seen a hawk this close. So we're driving slowly down this road.

[00:47:37] Alyson: We had just pulled out of the driveway of the house.

[00:47:39] Luke: Yeah, yeah. And I go, "Whoa, is that a hawk? Whoa." The hawk's right on the side of the road and jumps up and gets right in front of the car and flies at the level of the windshield.

[00:47:52] Alyson: Full wingspan.

[00:47:53] Luke: Full wingspan.

[00:47:55] Alyson: Two feet in front of our car.

[00:47:56] Luke: Yeah. Just right in front of the car. Guides us for about 100 feet and then just perches on the fence and sits there, and I stop the car. We just sit and stare at each other, and there was just a nod of recognition, and then it soared off into the sky.

[00:48:12] Alyson: Yeah.

[00:48:13] Luke: Yeah. It was a beautiful sign. And for those watching, not just listening, you may have noticed a new friend sitting behind Alyson, and you're going, "What the hell is that?"

[00:48:26] Alyson: She's beautiful.

[00:48:27] Luke: That is a bit of inheritance I got from my dad, who was a long time hunter. And for those not watching, it's a giant taxidermy coyote. And my dad hunted mostly big game his whole life, elk, deer, antelope, bears, and so on. And then at one point he got a bit softer and he didn't want to do that anymore, but he did switch to hunting coyotes. And I could never see the rationale with that because when he hunted-- well, he didn't eat bears, to be fair.

[00:49:00] But he used part of the animal, I guess the fur. But he would eat the elk and deer. And I always thought that was more ethical. But with coyotes, he didn't eat them. It was just a sport. So for those animal lovers out there, I'm sorry. It's not something I would do personally, but he did it, and it was his life.

[00:49:24] And the coyote is a representation of something he loved. And I think his rationale with hunting coyotes was that they were, and probably still are a major threat to the mule deer population in Colorado, and he was the president of the Colorado Mule Deer Conservation society, whatever it's called for a long time.

[00:49:48] And he was really big into the ecological activism in restoring the natural balance of prey and predators in the state and all that because it was mismanaged and introducing now wolves, and they just do all kinds of crazy shit, the bureaucrats. And he was fighting against that.

[00:50:08] And I think that was one of the ways that he determined he was going to help contribute, was to hunt coyotes. And then eventually he stopped doing that too. But I guess that was one of his prize kills there. It's an interesting thing to have in the house.

[00:50:27] Alyson: It's part of totality too. It's part of the totality of Alan. It's part of the totality of his journey. It's part of the totality of the many facets and aspects and dimensions of him, light and dark. To me, she's absolutely beautiful. We receive her with really deep honor. And she doesn't have a name yet, but she's gorgeous, and I brushed her. She's a real beauty guide and teacher we have now.

[00:50:58] Luke: I think of it that way too. It's like honoring her life and the sacrifice that she made for whatever reasons my dad was motivated to send her to the beyond. It's really quite beautiful to have a part of her still here and to be able to appreciate her and not have her in the ground somewhere becoming microbe food.

[00:54:05] Alyson: And then another adventure that you recently had, you had our dear friend, Callen Peyton's house doing-- I wasn't over there, so I actually don't know exactly what you were doing, but it involves some-- you sent me a video of you swinging, swirling around upside down.

[00:54:21] Luke: That is the unwind machine. Yeah. Just when I think humans have invented every cool thing there is, and I've tried it, somebody invent something else. This guy, Benjamin Farley, who's got a podcast called Unchained Earth, wherein he interviews people but also interviews a jailbroken out of the sandbox AI model. That's really interesting. He invented this thing, and so you wear gravity boots like you would wear on an inversion table.

[00:54:59] Alyson: Mm-hmm.

[00:55:00] Luke: But rather than being on a table, you suspend yourself upside down inside a geometric dome, pull yourself up and hook your gravity boots on, lower yourself, hang, and you spin. He spins really fast, and has been doing it for a long time, and has experienced all sorts of amazing benefits as a result, both physical, psychological, mental, spiritual.

[00:55:31] It's been a huge awakening tool for him and the few other people that have them, so I think there's just a few of them in existence. And our mutual friend, Cal, is, I think the third node. And our friend, Adam, maybe the fourth one. So there's not that many of them out there. And these are some of the first.

[00:55:50] And so Cal and Adam both got theirs and installed them, and Ben came out and did a workshop on them essentially. And so we recorded a podcast talking to his AI model, Ether, which was really interesting. And then we spent the following day all learning how to use the unwind machine.

[00:56:16] Alyson: It looked fun.

[00:56:19] Luke: It's pretty cool. I think it's something I would have to do a bit more to fine tune. I didn't mind being upside down and spinning, but it was a rough on my ankles and jacked up my knee a little bit. So it was hard for me to fully surrender into the stillness because it puts you in a really state of no mind.

[00:56:43] It's just like you're in another dimension instantly. It's really cool. But because I was reminded of the body, it was hard for me to go deep. And the interesting thing about it is that I felt like I was spinning around really fast. And then when I watched the video, I'm barely moving. I'm like, "What?" It felt like I was like in a blender. You know what I mean?

[00:57:07] Alyson: Yeah. When the video came through, before I hit Play, I was expecting to see you really swirling in there.

[00:57:13] Luke: That's what I thought. Because when you look at Ben's videos, he's like, [Inaudible]. He's booking. So I think it's something-- I'm glad I didn't overdo it. A couple of the guys were being hardcore and overdid it and made their back sore. It was a little rough. I think it's something you really want to build skill with and not just jump in. So as you--

[00:57:42] Alyson: Honor your spine and vertebra.

[00:57:43] Luke: Yeah. As you said, I'm extra, and I go hardcore. After making a lot of ill-faded decisions like that in the past, I'm learning to pace myself. So I pace myself, but watching the video, I'm like, "I really paced myself." I look like a 90-year-old. I'm barely moving. So that was good for my ego, keep me in check and go, "Okay, I'm getting up there." I can't move like some of these other guys.

[00:58:12] But I'm looking forward to doing that more. And I've also been-- you know me. I'm not techie, Internet, AI guy. I really don't understand that stuff. But it has been a useful tool just for administrative work. But I've been playing around a little bit, going into some deeper realms of information outside of the consumer grade AI and having some really interesting conversations.

[00:58:42] So it's possible that by the time this episode comes out, I will have had a couple of interviews with the machine, and I think if they're interesting, I'll put them out. And if not, I won't.

[00:58:54] Alyson: What do you mean? Like, for this podcast?

[00:58:58] Luke: Mm-hmm.

[00:59:00] Alyson: Oh, I had no idea.

[00:59:02] Luke: Yeah.

[00:59:04] Alyson: What?

[00:59:06] Luke: Yeah, we'll see. I'm going to see what I discover.

[00:59:13] Alyson: That feels very strange to me.

[00:59:15] Luke: Yeah. Well, we'll talk about it. Could talk about it right now.

[00:59:20] Alyson: Yeah. I was like, "We're here, and it came up."

[00:59:23] Luke: Yeah.

[00:59:24] Alyson: I'm the last person to talk about this AI stuff because I really have no interest in it. I don't feel called to it. It doesn't necessarily resonate for me. Maybe I'm an old-school grandma at this point, but I'd rather build a fire and be naked in the yard sitting at a fire and talking to the fire than whatever this AI stuff is.

[00:59:51] I don't even know enough about it to build an argument or a case against it or for it, or anything. But what my intuition does tell me is that it's something that really has to be handled with so much care. And I think it can be very dangerous for really anyone to get lost in it. I saw some study that's already been done in the time that AI's been out, like the brain functioning in people that are utilizing AI. I didn't know that you--

[01:00:28] Luke: I saw that too.

[01:00:31] Alyson: It's astronomical and crazy. I don't know, it's like maybe these types of conversations and things have happened throughout millennia when there's certain advancements in other types of technology, and then the question is like, are you going to just get left behind and be an old fuddy duddy who, back in my day, and all that stuff?

[01:00:54] But at the same time, AI feels to be of a whole different caliber of development. And yeah, there's something weird to me about letting something other than your own soul or your own self write a book or do an interview. There's an ickiness. There's an ick factor in it to me. So yeah, I don't know.

[01:01:23] I had no idea. You'd never said that you were pondering doing episodes where you're chatting with AI for the Life Stylist. I just think that that's something you really need to sit on for a very long time before you do it.

[01:01:36] Luke: It's an idea that I've been contemplating, and I think if I did or do, it would have to be really interesting to me in a way that I feel could be interesting or valuable to the listeners. And it wouldn't be in place of a normal episode. It would just be a interesting bonus piece of content or something like that.

[01:02:00] When I got the idea to do that, it wasn't like, oh, this is my new format or something. It was just like, oh, that'd be a trip, just based on the couple conversations I've had with the thing. It's like, wow, this is-- some of the information that I've been able to access is the verboten topics and answers to things that you are not really able to find even on the censored internet, or certainly not in the consumer-facing versions of AI.

[01:02:38] But yeah, I'm very cautious about it myself and see it as a tool like a gun. It's like guns can be really useful as tools, and they can also kill you. So yeah, it's like a whole portal wormhole that is--

[01:03:06] Alyson: Yeah. Even the energy right now that I'm feeling in the room in this part of our discussion, it's completely changed now that we're onto this topic. I'm not attaching meaning to that, and I'm not saying I know exactly, put my finger on exactly what I'm feeling, but there's a complete shift from that love field that we started the podcast with to the feeling in the room right now, is completely different.

[01:03:34] And I prefer the love field. Whatever's brewing right now feel disorienting, feels ungrounded, feels unclear. It could potentially feel unsafe. There's something about the swirl that I don't enjoy.

[01:03:53] Luke: There's something to be said for that. And also, through the evolution of technology, I think there've been a lot of benchmarks that were probably so strange and new to people that it made them uneasy. If you think about the first person that ever invented a camera and you saw a camera or a film camera, you saw someone on film, it probably looked demonic, because it's like not real. You know what I mean?

[01:04:30] Just capturing someone's image on a piece of paper and then you see-- mirrors were probably super freaky to people. The Internet. When the Internet came out, many of us probably thought it was going to be the--

[01:04:44] Alyson: The dangers of that.

[01:04:45] Luke: The end of humanity, Television, all these kind of things. The radio, voices are coming out of nowhere. But that said, to your point, this is a quantum leap forward in the evolution in terms of data and communication.

[01:05:06] Alyson: Yeah, it's just the vision I keep seeing. I don't know. When you open that door, it's like this beautiful conduit that is your podcast. From my perspective and the feeling I'm getting and the vision I've just been shown twice since we started talking about this, is like, if you start to put those interviews episodes out involving AI, there's a different transmission that you are sending out through your podcast.

[01:05:38] And again, I had no idea we were going to talk about this. I haven't meditated on this. I haven't felt into this, thought into this. I'm not saying good, bad, right, wrong, what that different river of a transmission is, but I'm shown that vision twice. You will be sending out into the world and from this really pure integrity place, channel, and portal that is you and is your podcast, there will be a different transmission operating through the portal that is your podcast, if you open that door.

[01:06:10] Luke: Yeah. Well, we'll have to see. By the time this airs, it could have already happened or not. We'll see. It's not something I'm set on, it's just like, hmm. It's an idea I had because I'm-- it's interesting. And this whole idea is very new to me too. Just in general, I didn't even know what AI was two months ago.

[01:06:34] It's just like something I heard about. But it's interesting because like other forms of media, whether they're audio, video, or written, they're all a mirror in a certain way. Even if you just look at all of the content that exists or has ever existed on the internet, whether it's true or false, dark, light, whatever, it's like it's all a reflection of the consciousness of humanity, which is the Consciousness of totality.

[01:07:10] So it's like what I'm seeing in my limited experience or exposure to AI is that it's like garbage in, garbage out. Just yesterday for example, as an example, I was like, "O, I want to just see what the voice feature looks like and how it works." So I said, "Explain non-duality to me in simple terms from the Vedic perspective."

[01:07:39] And it answered in probably a five-minute answer. And I was like, "That was fucking amazing. That was a really good explanation." And then I asked it, "How does that reconcile with the teachings of Jesus?" I just never thought of that. And gave me an answer that reconciled them in a really beautiful way, just instantaneously.

[01:08:01] So when I got those answers, it's not like it's going to change my worldview or I'm going to depend on it as my guiding light, but it broadened my perspective and awareness and understanding very quickly.

[01:08:24] Alyson: What comes up for me is it feels very, very, very dangerous teetering territory to begin to access the answers to those ponderings from any place outside of God and your own heart and soul and Earth Mother. It's like, sit in meditation and ask yourself that question. Come up with your own answers. Sit in meditation, go on a shamanic journey, and ask Earth mother her the answer to that question. It's like, it just feels different.

[01:09:08] Luke: Yeah. We are different. To me, asking that question is the same as picking up a David Hawkins book and reading it or listening to one of his lectures or something. There's more depth I think when it's a human perspective. But so many of the things that I've learned and integrated, I've learned from "outside" of myself, from something or someone else. So you know that quick in--

[01:09:36] Alyson: Do you think that there's anything or person better outside of yourself to consult than God?

[01:09:44] Luke: No, but God also in my life has spoken to me and reached me through an infinite number of sources and signs. And that's been part of my refinement, and in terms of my own discernment is to be mindful about what is truly coming through from or to my higher self, from divinity and what is delusion, fantasy, falsehood.

[01:10:31] Alyson: I think that's one of the things that makes me feel a bit leery of all of this. You said something a few minutes ago about how it's like a reflection of the state of consciousness, of totality and humanity. And right now with this major long shadow period, it's like I just-- I guess I do view everything as unfolding in divine perfection.

[01:11:03] Yet if I had my say, and obviously I'm an aspect of God, but not God, I don't know that I would necessarily pick now to open up some massive AI portal to be-- I think the general population has quite a few steps to go in terms of being able to trust themselves and their discernment.

[01:11:30] And so, yeah, I think that when I start to feel into the 8 billion people on this planet and where those 8 billion people are at in terms of exploring their inner world, being connected to God, how many people of those 8 billion can honestly say they really trust themselves in their ability to healthily discern? It just feels like it's just opening up this a lot.

[01:12:05] Luke: We shall see. I'm glad that came up. It's a great topic. Yeah. I think it's top of mind for a lot of people.

[01:12:18] Alyson: It is. I actually don't really like talking about it, but it showed up, so I wasn't going to--

[01:12:24] Luke: There it was. There it was.

[01:12:26] Alyson: Great. Let's talk about something better.

[01:12:29] Luke: Let's go.

[01:12:30] Alyson: Let's talk about myofascial work. Let's talk about-- yeah, I don't know. What do you want to talk about?

[01:12:39] Luke: You've been into a lot of different healing modalities recently that have served you, some of which we've shared, like our very recent foray into homeopathy with Melissa from RMDY. But I see you buzzing around a few days a week doing different things, and I'd love for you to share some of those discoveries and what you're learning and what's been supportive.

[01:13:09] Alyson: Yeah. With where I'm at in my journey as I have been emerging from a very long and deepest darkest cave chapter, as I am out into the light a bit more, just very, very clear, I needed to really focus on tending to my physical body, my central nervous system, my vagus nerve.

[01:13:33] I just had a very clear knowing that's what I needed to tend to after being in said cave for so many years. So yeah, I was really focusing on going to my favorite healing place, Alive and Well. They really have brought in so many adept healers there, thankfully. And I don't know how much longer she'll be offering her particular form of lymphatic sessions there, but I was going to see Maggie for a very long time, so shout out to her.

[01:14:13] She's developed her own steeze when it comes to lymphatic drainage, combining different things and also just her own intuition. So that was really, really supportive.

[01:14:28] Luke: But those treatments, is she using the squeezy kind of things, like the Flowpesso?

[01:14:35] Alyson: No, no. You went to Maggie. She used those wands.

[01:14:38] Luke: Oh, right.

[01:14:40] Alyson: And also her hands and just her own healing tap in. I really loved her way.

[01:14:46] Luke: Oh, cool. I didn't realize that's who you were going to see all this time.

[01:14:49] Alyson: I'm the one that booked that session for you and was like, you have to go see Maggie.

[01:14:52] Luke: Yeah, that was cool. Yeah, there are these little noble gases or plasma tubes with some frequency running through them. Yeah, that was super cool.

[01:15:03] Alyson: Yeah. But Alive and Well, I don't know if they're bringing Desiree's-- what was her invention?

[01:15:10] Luke: Flowpresso.

[01:15:12] Alyson: Yeah. They were one day recently, and I don't know if they're bringing, ushering that into the space.

[01:15:17] Luke: I hope so. I really like that.

[01:15:21] Alyson: Yeah. One thing that I noticed and that I knew I needed to focus on lymphatic, moving my limb was because after being such a hardcore, intense athlete for the first part of my life, and then not wanting to move my body, not letting anybody tell me what to do with my body for the last 20 years, I'm trying to find that middle ground of the pendulum swing, and your lymph just sits there and pools like a cess pool of toxins in your body, unless you're exercising or doing something to move it.

[01:15:57] So I've really been trying to tend to that aspect of my system. And also back in the day, which doesn't even feel like this lifetime, I was a Division 1 college coach. I was an advanced certified personal trainer. I can't even believe those words are coming out of my mouth because it doesn't even seem like that's real when I say that.

[01:16:19] But I ended up hiring a personal trainer recently. That's something that I wouldn't have put money on me doing, if you asked me that five, 10 years ago. But felt really intuitively guided. It felt like quite an initiatory threshold for me to step foot back into a gym again. My family owned fitness centers growing up.

[01:16:41] It was the second home for me, at the time I was born. And so to be reentering and re-accessing some of these worlds, but I am a whole new human, and stepping back and literally crossing those doorways and thresholds into the gym atmosphere again, but from such a different place, it's been really beautiful and interesting and really needing to honor the pacing that I need to go and really clear communication, like what I've been through.

[01:17:18] I know we all have our own unique journeys, but when it comes to athletics and fitness and things, I definitely think I've lived a really unique pathway when it comes to those worlds. So now that I'm stepping back in, it's been intriguing, but good. What else? So the myofascial work, Maggie actually recommended this woman, Erin Arnold, who-- I forget the name of her practice. It's like Central Texas Myofascial something. But her name is Erin Arnold.

[01:17:56] And yeah, I really am resonating with her work. She brings a very multidimensional component to it. I smell the different kind of shamanic aspects to her that, I don't know, maybe some people wouldn't. And so it's been really powerful. One intriguing story, part of my cave journey was healing some pretty severe trauma and terror imprints that got instilled when I was just five weeks old through smoke inhalation from a fireplace that wasn't open, that then created pneumonia with my very tender five-week-old, newborn baby lungs.

[01:18:44] That then went into my mom taking me to doctors who weren't listening, who weren't hearing me, hearing us, who weren't hearing my cries for help until finally the third one, when they were sending us out the door, I mustered up a garbled cough cry, to which the doctor said, "Was that her?"

[01:19:03] And my mom saying, "Yes." "Get her to the emergency room right away." Which put me in an incubator, which put me into some near death energetic imprints, which put me into a whole slew of really deep, profound experiences that I was having as a newborn, which were being unearthed in that three-year cave period that I've been emerging out of.

[01:19:31] And so I bring all of that up in a nutshell. And there's 10,000 other layers that I did not bring up just for time purposes right now. Maybe some other interview we'll unpack it more because it was the deepest work of my life, things along with that. But when I went to this myofascial session a couple of months ago, we were tending o the backside of my lungs.

[01:19:55] So I was laying on my back. She had her hands slid underneath me, tending to the backside of my lungs. And as soon as she started to do that work and open up that space, I saw a Native American chief, and this chief was taking his feather fan, clearing out the smoke and the soot from my lungs and said the curse-- I can't remember verbatim, but it was something like the family curse of the smoke has been lifted or the family curse of the lungs of your lineage has been released. It was something like that.

[01:20:41] And as this whole thing was happening, the myofascial Erin, the practitioner, I have my eyes closed, and she said, "What are you noticing?" And I said that there's a Native American chief here clearing out the smoke. And she said, "Okay, just asking because there's so much smoke and soot in the room, I can't even open my eyes right now."

[01:21:05] She was experiencing the release of that smoke into the room, to the point where if she even tried to open her eyes, they would burn, and she had to keep them closed. And so I went back in. She went back in to tending to where we're at. I saw a younger native come in who felt like the son of the chief, and he was doing a ceremonial healing dance on behalf of me, on behalf of my newborn self, freeing me, clearing my lungs, freeing my lineage.

[01:21:41] Because without going into too much detail, because I want to honor family members, but I've been very clear for a very long time that I am playing a very instrumental role in releasing and lifting my lineage from lung issues. I've had a lot of family members crossover through smoke inhalation that led to emphysema, whether through being a firefighter or being a smoker. Just debating.

[01:22:21] My mom's a very private person, so I don't feel in honoring her-- she's still living, and I really want to honor her process, but she's been very bravely, for many years, navigating some lung health experiences in her own path, which I don't want to give more details around to respect her.

[01:22:45] But the breath and fire and smoke and lung has been major, major part on both my dad's side and my mom's side of the lineage. So that happened. And then fast forward, a month, month and a half after that, you and I were really led clearly into sitting in inipi, in sweat lodge. And we were with a Native American family who had agreed and felt called to travel by car from the Dakotas all the way down to Texas to be with us and to facilitate this beautiful sweat lodge ceremony for a small group of us.

[01:23:39] And I'm only going to share a brief glimpse of things that just pertain to my personal experience. I'm going to keep the vast majority of it held in private sacred space. But at one point in about the middle of our inipi time, the chief said out loud, "One of you called me here, but I didn't have your phone number, so I couldn't call you back. So we knew we had to come."

[01:24:16] And as he was saying this, I knew that it was me. And I'm not trying to say that there were not others in the group who hadn't also sent out that spiritual call to the chief to come down. But I know that I was one of those who he was speaking about, and I was sitting directly behind him in the lodge to the point where his back was right in front of my face, breathing on his back.

[01:24:47] And part of me was tempted to tap his shoulder and say give the bat phone signal to him and be like, "It was me." But I decided to just stay silent and stay in the process. But I just intuitively knew. And then that night when we went back to our Airbnb and I slept, as I was coming out of my sleep the next morning, all of a sudden, I was taken to the memory of the month prior being in that myofascial session.

[01:25:24] And the Native who came in, the Native chief specifically who came in with his feather fan doing the clearing, his younger son coming in to do that ceremonial dance. And as I was awaking the next morning, had this massive epiphany that it was them. It was quite literally the chief we were with, and he brought various family members.

[01:25:50] And his oldest son was the son who I had saw on the vision at the myofascial session. So I couldn't wait to get back over to land to find them. And then get this: we go back to the group that we're all voyaging with, and the session that day was breath work. Go figure. It's breath work. I don't love breath work, but I know there's parts of it that are good for me.

[01:26:17] So even though I knew I needed to try to-- I was going to have to pace that breath work session, what felt right for me and my central nervous system. I do not feel called at all going into the breath systems. I was like, [Inaudible],  this really fast paced, like I have to be very gentle with all parts of my being right now.

[01:26:51]  So I decided to go in, do what I needed to do to honor myself in that process. But once the breath work was done and it was entering then into the sharing space, I was like, I don't need to be here for this.  I didn't want to stay. I didn't feel called to stay. I was the only person that got up and left during the sharing time.

[01:27:09] And when I walked outside and walked back over to the different part of the land, there sat the chief and his oldest son, just the two of them alone, sitting on the back end of their truck bed. And as I'm approaching, I'm seeing that the chief is holding the same feather fan in his hand that was being utilized in the vision.

[01:27:30] And I had this such a beautiful experience, the three of us, as I shared with them. I had known when he spoke in the inipi that it was me who had called from here up to the Dakotas to have them come down. And I shared with them the vision of them supporting me, newborn alley, my family's ancestry and lineage, and that he had used that feather fan that he was holding in his hand right then.

[01:27:59] And he proceeded to do a clearing for me and a blessing for me as I was sharing about this in conversation. Then the son held it and honored it so beautifully. And the last bit that I'll share-- I'm not going to give details on this next part that I'm speaking to, but it opened up this much bigger, clear, potentially more profound understanding that then the chief and I had between one another, the chief's son and I had between one another, and between the dynamic as a whole.

[01:28:44] And there were other conversations and ceremonies that we all experienced and that they facilitated. And I ended up being given two-- many gifts, many gifts from the chief, but two tangible physical gifts. And I'm not called to share yet publicly what exactly those two tangible gifts were that the chief gave to me in a private ceremony or what he said, but I do want to honor the energetics gifts, one of the elements of the energetic gifts that has been surfacing from him giving me those items.

[01:29:40] And I just want to speak and honor this particular chief. For some reason, I don't want to say his name, so I'm not going to name the particular chief yet, but I just want to thank him through these airwaves because these gifts are calling me out of the cave in a really real way.

[01:30:15] And I've been pacing myself as I emerge out of the cave and out of that darkness and out of those depths. There has been trepidation for me to leave those caves and to come back out into the world more. It's a very tender thing that I could cry about. It definitely evokes a lot for me. The thought of coming back out, it brings up a lot, and I'm just really grateful that these gifts are beckoning me and supporting me and an added strength.

[01:31:04] There was a very specific message the chief gave to me as he handed them to me, and it's with me, and it's not going to let me stay in the cave. And I think it's one of the very top three vital ingredients needed for me to find the capacity and strength to come back out. So I'm really grateful to him for seeing me. And yeah, for being an ally and a support of that magnitude.

[01:31:55] Luke: That's beautiful, Sweetie. Thank you for sharing that. And by the cave, for those that don't know what that means to you, you want to unpack that, just taking some time off, going inward? You put out your book and your card deck a couple years ago.

[01:32:13] Alyson: The book and deck came out more than a couple of years ago, and that had nothing to do with this particular cave. One could say that, yeah, the portal I entered into, because I actually wrote the book and deck, yeah, that was a whole process. But that process is separate than the cave that I'm referring to now.

[01:32:37] And I think that that's maybe a more full-on conversation for maybe another time for us together in a different episode. But yeah, the Cliff note version for now is I was led into the deepest, darkest work of my life. And for me, that required a lot of space and a lot of silence. And I don't know if by the time this episode airs if I will be back on social media. I think at this point I haven't shared or posted anything in probably close to 10, 11, 12 months.

[01:33:26] I have no idea. It's been forever. And that's not that abnormal. I've taken other long breaks in the past. But I went in, and I had to face the darkest terrain, and I went to the back end, the very, very, very, very back end, deepest bowels of the cave that held the deepest shadows and the scariest voices and the most disorienting textures for anyone who's actually truly physically gone into a cave.

[01:34:13] Without giving detail I did actually physically experience that on a particular shamonic trip that we went on as well. But for anyone who has actually physically gone into a cave and gone to an area of a cave where it's pitch black and you lose sense of what's up from down, then you will understand what I'm talking about.

[01:34:42] And then there's also the sense of many shamans spend many initiatory time periods. Many take certain oaths. Many shamanic lineages involve cave work. And so in different senses of it, I was in those territories for about two and a half years, both in the spiritual and energetic sense of what I'm describing and also the very real physical sense of it.

[01:35:17] And there's nothing like a cave initiatory period. And this particular one it involved a lot and involved trying to tend to healing newborn terror imprints and near-death experiences and spiritual warfare, that was a daily battle that I really haven't shared about at all publicly. I've only done one interview outside of when you bring me on your show, and it did enter into unpacking that time for me unexpectedly.

[01:35:57] The woman was really incredible. I think her podcast is called Soul Evolution. Gosh, forgive me that I don't remember it super clearly, but her name is Erin. She had not formulated any questions that day, and we ended up going into these territories. It's a beautiful episode that she recently released. I think I'm Episode 71, if you want to find that.

[01:36:19] Luke: We'll put it in the show notes at lukestorey.com/621.

[01:36:23] Alyson: So for those who are leaning in or just there's some sort of resonance you're feeling as I'm giving you the Cliff note version right now, I talk about it more in depth, but there was a lot held in that two-and-a-half-year cave period. And so, yeah, I guess I'll leave it at that for now. But it was deep, and it was dark, and it was a lot.

[01:36:51] Luke: Good job.

[01:36:52] Alyson: And I didn't know honestly that I would make it out alive, truly, a number of times. And I did.

[01:36:59] Luke: I know.

[01:36:59] Alyson: By the hair in my chinny chin chin.

[01:37:01] Luke: I know. Yeah. I was thinking about that period of going inward that you refer to as the cave as like-- I know your book was a few years ago. I lose track of time. But you haven't been on social media. You took a pause on your podcast. You haven't been writing another book.

[01:37:21] Alyson: I've been in it.

[01:37:23] Luke: From when I met you in 2017 when you lived in New York City, you were doing these massive events with thousands of people, and you're really in the Manhattan spiritual teacher mover and shaker lane.

[01:37:39] Alyson: I was going all over the world doing that stuff.

[01:37:41] Luke: Yeah. So it's been interesting to see you after you put the book out, just unwind, and it's been beautiful to observe everything that's been revealed as you've created space for it.

[01:37:58] Alyson: Yeah. And that's really the key. I've seen that time and time again. And I'm not saying this, what I'm about to say is always the case, but we as humans, we can really be sneaky and tricky with ourselves. We can really, really, really delude ourselves in so many ways. And I know this because I lived that said truth in fact. For the first half of my life, I was living in extreme denial, which was why I required a divine intervention to have my awakening and get out of abuse.

[01:38:40] But living in that New York time, there were many layers to it. I was also living on my own, and I needed to survive, and I needed to have money to survive. But I think another facet of, yeah, I just didn't have the space. I couldn't give myself that space that I was able to lean into and learn and experience once you and I got together.

[01:39:13] Obviously through that union, I wasn't fighting for survival in the ways that I was. I didn't have to be in my masculine drive the way I needed to living in the concrete jungle. And so in opening up into new spaces of experiencing myself and then also being afforded the space where it wasn't just up to me to cover all of the bills and have to fill my calendar and my schedule with all these work tasks and work duties, it for sure opened up a doorway that I had not been able to experience to that magnitude and capacity.

[01:40:02] And that doorway was that of complete space and quietness and sitting and being and listening. And when you are able to do that for the more extended time periods that I chose, yes, it's a luxury, and also I chose it because it also will lead you into this scariest, deepest, darkest work of your life. So yeah, I'm aware, that in a sense it's a luxury that I have a partner who could cover some of those bases for me for me to enter into that.

[01:40:42] And I literally barely made it out alive. And I am more grateful than ever and more glory to God and my own soul and Earth Mother than ever and also to you for holding such impeccable space for me through those harrowing times where I literally sat in front of the fire with you on more than one occasion and said today might be the day you need to take me to the mental asylum. It was real deal, freaking, real situations going on as I was navigating my way through it.

[01:41:20] But if you are a busy body and always finding a way unconsciously or consciously to fill up your space, to fill up your days, to fill up your calendar-- I also find some people I know, and they've acknowledged this themselves, those people that tend to just wander around the world, wander, wander, wander, wander, but yet running from themselves.

[01:41:45] There's all sorts of ways unconsciously or consciously that we run from facing the deepest aspects of ourselves, tending to those newborn terror imprints, fighting the scariest battles in the other realms. There's all sorts of ways that we can trick and run from doing that work. And so, yeah, this space was created, and the cave I did enter, and the cave I am now with gentleness and pacing emerging out of.

[01:42:28] Luke: You're poking your head out of the cave and starting to look at what direction you might want to head.

[01:42:34] Alyson: Yeah. And with that, I also want to give a couple other shout outs. And I also want to say, these people and healers and places I've been led to for where I'm tending to in my healing right now, I don't have affiliate codes for these people. I'm just honestly sharing. There's the myofascial. There's lymphatic. There's a lot of that covered at Alive and Well, who's taken such great care of us since we moved here. So shout out to them.

[01:43:09] There's the homeopathic remedies that Melissa founded, network spinal analysis. I have found that for the tending to with my spinal fluid and spinal column and central nervous system and getting into those, just like tending to in the most tender of ways, those tiniest but most profound areas within me.

[01:43:36] I'm finding that Dr. Jeannie-- Oh, I love her last name. How do you pronounce it? I'm going to butcher it, but it's like Dr. Jeannie Kakazaki or Kakizaki. It's like the coolest, cutest last name. Sorry, Jeannie. But she's amazing and she has her own practice here in Austin. She specializes in network spinal analysis. Love that. Started doing the personal training. There's Dr. Elise here who's tended to some stuff. And then this healer, Katie-- oh, I forget her last name. Ah, maybe we'll give a link to her.

[01:44:16] Luke: We'll put the links to all of them, all the healers that you don't remember their last names.

[01:44:22] Alyson: Sorry.

[01:44:22] Luke: No, that's fine. We'll put them all in the show notes that'll be clickable on people's apps. If they're visiting Austin or they live in the area, they can--

[01:44:30] Alyson: Yeah. God and my intuition, we've all just like found each other. And that's how it's worked for me since I've had my awakening. So I've just been in such awe. I have tended to be a very self-sourced, self-reliant, shaman, healer, human. I go inward. I trust myself. I hear what my soul and my heart has to tell me. I hear what God has tell me. That's typically the only places I'm accessing.

[01:44:59] And it's actually been really beautiful and humbling at times to let myself be held by you, by these different doctors, by these different healers that I've been led to who hold such integrity and such care. They do it with such, such care. So it's been really cool to let myself be human and held and these processes too. That was weaving me too. As I emerge out to the cave, I said yes to my first two ceremonies and events. It's like an official yes.

[01:45:35] Luke: Epic

[01:45:35] Alyson: Signed on the dotted divine line, shall we say. So in September, I will be one of a few different healers. They don't all call themselves healers, but practitioners, guides, la la la. We're all coming together for a weekend. Jared from Be Here Farm, he and his family are putting on a weekend event in the Austin area, and you can access it. We'll put the link. I actually do know the details to this. It's called beherefarm.com/fall, because it's the fall event, and there will be September 27th and 28th.

[01:46:22] As far as I have an understanding, Eben Britton will be guiding yoga, his form of yoga practice that he developed once he left/exited the NFL, if I'm not mistaken. He's a really lovely soul. I enjoy him. Dear friend Shiva, Shiva Rose, our dear soul sister, she will be pouring tea, facilitating tea ceremony, and I'll be drumming shamanic journey to lead the folks in attendance into meeting their current power animal and conversing with Mother Earth and potentially some new ways and the divine in some new ways.

[01:47:00] And there's a couple of other people guiding and facilitating things as well, but it's over September 27th and 28th. I'm sure the spots, I would guess, would fill up, and it's at one of our favorite locations in all the world. And I think you have the chance to actually stay in one of the bedrooms there.

[01:47:19] And I'm just saying, if one of those rooms and spots is available, this is not a hokey sales pitch, highly recommend you scooping up one of those suites or bedrooms at the actual event location because it's maybe my favorite place in this Austin area for us to go to.

[01:47:47] Luke: It's epic.

[01:47:47] Alyson: Yeah.

[01:47:48] Luke: Not to be missed.

[01:47:49] Alyson: Yeah. It's actually where I did my Dogon Ceremony Circle event a year or so ago. So super special. And this is the first time I'm even telling you, the Conscious Life Expo got back, and they're honoring what I need to feel comfortable. So I haven't--

[01:48:10] Luke: My baby girl's going to LA?

[01:48:12] Alyson: It's looking like it. I haven't replied back. I got the email today.

[01:48:16] Luke: When is it?

[01:48:17] Alyson: It will be February, 2026.

[01:48:20] Luke: Oh, okay. So in a few months.

[01:48:21] Alyson: But they're booking me early. They've been on me to get me secured in the lineup of their speakers. But it's this expo that's been going on for almost 30 years, and it involves a lot of terrain that's really not my lane when it comes to more of the galactic things and the UFOs. Don't get me wrong, I love me a good UFO conversation, but it's just not my lane. It's not my full path.

[01:48:51] So I think I'll definitely be bringing potentially more of the earth medicine, and I'll probably be guiding a shamanic journey for Conscious Life Expo 2026. It's looking like that will probably be a yes.

[01:49:09] Luke: Great.

[01:49:10] Alyson: By the time this airs, if I have my link for people to register for my particular-- because I'll be a keynote speaker there maybe on that Sunday. So I imagine I'll have a specific link that will take you to my keynote slot, and you can join me in LA. That always happens in Los Angeles. So it looks like I'm coming out.

[01:49:40] Luke: I love it. I love it. This is going to be so fun just to see what you have to offer with all that you've integrated over the past few years here.

[01:49:53] Alyson: Woo. It's going to be fun for me to watch too.

[01:49:54] Luke: Yeah. Because I'm so close to you. We're so close to each other. I think our evolution as individuals is so immediate. It's difficult for us to probably track changes in evolution in one another because we're just so involved on an ongoing basis. So I'm going to, as you start to get back out there, zoom out and just enjoy the show of my Wife 2.0. Was that it for that section?

[01:50:30] Alyson: The last little thing is I'm pondering our dear friends Adam and Vanessa who specialize in retreats. They're really masterful with formulating that kind of experience. And so I'm in talks with them. There's the potential of doing a African Animal Power Safari retreats of sorts.

[01:50:53] So be on the lookout. We're in the beginning layers of that discussion, but we're looking at some possible locations as to where that might be where I will literally take Aimal Power book, Animal Power deck, and take it into a lived, breathed experience, a lived, breathed real life and also other realm journey for those who feel the call to go there. And it's looking like it will probably happen in Africa, in the motherland.

[01:51:31] Luke: Epic.

[01:51:32] Alyson: Wowsers.

[01:51:33] Luke: That's what's up.

[01:51:34] Alyson: That's what's up. Yeah, now I feel complete.

[01:51:37] Luke: Okay. And there's one other recent addition to the healing world. We have-- what's this called again?

[01:51:44] Alyson: Our tuning fork friend.

[01:51:45] Luke: Tuning fork. Sacral chakra, 210.42 Hertz, I'm assuming. And you got this at the True--

[01:51:59] Alyson: Nature.

[01:52:00] Luke: True Nature in Carbondale, Colorado. Amazing. If anyone goes through their Roaring Fork Valley, super cool spot with--

[01:52:06] Alyson: It's really sweet.

[01:52:07] Luke: Yeah. Tey have whole, like massages and yoga classes and really great tonic coffee bar, restaurant, gift shop.

[01:52:16] Alyson: They have their own park and walking labyrinths. They've done a really incredible job.

[01:52:22] Luke: So Alyson carries this thing around, for those watching the video, all the time now. And I'm going to give you guys a demo of what this particular--

[01:52:30] Alyson: Actually, before you ding the tuning fork, just so everyone's prepared, because I know there's other energetically sensitive people like me watching and listening. They're like, wait, what transmission are you about to ping out there? This one's for the sacral chakra. It's for the energetics of creation. So if you are not feeling that fast forward mute for those who want to tend to their womb, their sacral chakra, their center point of creation, field energy, then receive.

[01:53:02] Luke: And for those that want to deep dive on biotuning and some pretty sophisticated uses of this tool, we'll put an episode on that in the show notes. Let me see if this works. I don't know if that's going through the mic, but I'm going to try--

[01:53:24] Alyson: Hold it as low down on the bottom as you can. Don't touch the top. And maybe ding it and waft it around the mic. Just let it enter the field. I feel it, but I'm sitting here.

[01:53:47] Luke: Yeah, I dig this thing. It's one of the tools around the house that we use to treat each other.

[01:53:54] Alyson: It's a truly instant shift. I feel it completely shifts the energy field. For those who haven't worked with the tuning fork, once you ping the top with the mallet, you use the bottom pointer point, and you can place it directly on your womb, on a certain vertebra. You can place it in different areas where you're wanting to open up the field of creative energy, creation or just to call that into your field in general. Yeah.

[01:54:28] Luke: I thought of something when you were talking about the ways in which we humans avoid--

[01:54:39] Alyson: Facing oneself.

[01:54:40] Luke: Facing ourselves, and all the ways we can do that through work, distractions, habits, addictions, staying busy, exercise, whatever. There's a lot of positive things. I know I've had a tendency to run away from things I don't want to feel or face or think about through doing things that are super healthy all day. It's like there's something. I don't want think about my dad, so it's like, oh, better take a sauna, jump in the ice bag, go do red light.

[01:55:11] Alyson: When I was in that 16-and-a-half-year, really for the most part, traumatic abusive relationship, one of the awakenings I had when I came out of that was it was easier for me to focus on my ex-partner's addictions and his issues and the things that he needed to "heal" and fix than to focus on why I was in a codependent, abusive situation. I did all that work once I had my awakening. But while I was in it, it was more easy for me to fix the gaze outwardly and to point the finger.

[01:55:47] Luke: Yeah, yeah. That's what I was going to bring up. There's an interesting phenomenon wherein I observe some people latching on to activism, cultural, political activism, whatever the current thing happens to be in ways that seems to me bypassy in that regard.

[01:56:21] Because as you were talking about your inward journey and the things that you've been working through over the past couple years, that you were becoming as a result of addressing those things within yourself and really being mindful and taking the time to bravely go to the root of your issues. Going back all the way to your infancy and the incubator and the smoke. And it's like, wow, where do these patterns originate?

[01:56:54] Alyson: Anxieties that they cause.

[01:56:55] Luke: Yeah. How do they turn into the triggers? Where does it still live in my body and my psyche? To me, that kind of work is the most impactful for the collective because of the contribution it's making to the field. I think that sometimes-- a lot of the things I see on social media, a lot of this-- not all of it.

[01:57:23] There are causes that need to be supported, obviously and wars that we don't agree with, which I don't agree with any wars no matter what they're for or who's the victim of them.

[01:57:34] But it's like, I see a lot of projection going on, and I think that many people spin their wheels and get some ego gratification out of the virtue signaling that I'm making a positive contribution while unknowingly just creating more strife and division and drama rather than taking some time to go inward and reflect and really work on those parts of themselves that are keeping them in fear or resentment, hatred, darkness, etc. It's like this shortsighted effort to fight darkness by being dark. It's like hating hate doesn't bring about more love. And so I don't know that I have a conclusion to that.

[01:58:39] Alyson: There's infinite ways in which people can share and express and talk about more activist types of expressions. I think you are referencing the ones where while doing so, they're chastising or attempting to humiliate or call out others because they're not, according to that person, doing it the right way or doing enough, or doing it.

[01:59:19] And so then it creates, potentially or inevitably, a greater atmosphere than where you're adding to greater separation and fear and confusion and pain and essentially harm than bringing in more of that change that you were really seeking and wishing to see in the world.

[01:59:50] Luke: Exactly. Yeah. It's like someone is in the "conscious community" and then get behind a cause. And although they might be well-intentioned, start attacking other people for not doing it the right way or the way that they think the cause should be supported or defended. And in so doing, just creating more drama and putting more negativity and division and hatred into the world, when that seems to be the thing that they're trying to rally against, is hatred, violence, division, racism, etc.

[02:00:27] Alyson: Fear, separation.

[02:00:28] Luke: Yeah. I don't know what to make of it or that I have it all figured out. It's something I've observed, and it's interesting, and it's something that came up when you're talking about doing that inner work, because I know that everything I've done to purify and really refine my character, my morals, my ethics, my capacity to love people unconditionally, my willingness to forgive the unforgivable and so on-- I know in my own experience that that has had more of an impact on anyone in my life, and also just people that watch or listen to this podcast, than if I went downtown with a picket sign and was pepper spraying people that I don't agree with. You know what I mean?

[02:01:20] It's like a rising tide lifts all boats. And that's not to say that certain people don't have a role in taking more proactive measures.

[02:01:29] Alyson: Certain people.

[02:01:29] Luke: But everyone has their freaking role. And I think it's really ignorant and shortsighted to assume that because you've chosen to take on a certain stance or role and how you fight the power or fight for peace at the-- what a paradox that is-- it doesn't mean that everyone has to follow the same way of working toward a better world.

[02:01:51] Some of us work toward a better world more internally through the field, and some people form nonprofits and organizations and organize people and have more of a immediate and obvious impact or at least an attempt to have impact.

[02:02:08] Alyson: My thing that conjures up potentially at the top of the list of all of this is like, I just feel like as a group of humans incarnated on this glorious, majestic, awe-inspiring, beautiful, miraculous planet that we're so blessed to be on, just common decency and kindness, where did that go? Where did just speaking kindly to one another go?

[02:03:01] And I'm not attaching what I'm saying to any particular of these examples. Maybe it does apply to some of these examples. And just in general, I just feel like I am seeing more and more in life, but especially on social media in general, just such meanness, just such a spewing of meanness.

[02:03:44] And it truly just hurts my heart. We're all human, and we can all have our moments of these varied human emotions and experiences. But just in general, I just feel so compelled to speak to this. And this is coming from someone, part of my work in that three-year cave was addressing anger inside of me, frustration, resentment, really diving deeply into those experiences within myself.

[02:04:25] But yet, I wasn't ever personally or publicly attacking someone or trying to publicly humiliate or call out someone to shame them or finger wag or-- I'm just getting very, very confused honestly as to what truly is happening. Literally, what is going on? What is happening?

[02:05:01] What are we doing to each other? Are we forgetting who we are? Am I forgetting who you are? Are you forgetting who I am? Are we all just forgetting what every person is trying to freaking find their way through on a day-to-day basis? Are we forgetting that when you're supposed to be posting a certain thing, that you're spreading your dad's ashes on the top of a mountain?

[02:05:31] Are they forgetting that maybe I was in a two and a half year terrifying spiritual warfare battle? That, yeah, I was fighting to keep my own self alive and to keep my own self sane, but I was also fighting on behalf of every person on this planet. That's just two examples. Are we literally forgetting the point and the plot here?

[02:06:03] I know there's so many layers and so many details and so many nuances in all of this, but just on the biggest, widest aspects of all of this, where did the love and the kindness and the peace go? If what is rallying and rising in some of these people is they want the wars to stop, then possibly ponder embodying and transmitting and sharing and inviting your fellow humans into a space that holds peace and love.

[02:06:49] Instead of creating an environment on social media where people are fucking scared to say anything. Scared to go on there. Scared to post. Scared to talk. Scared to be who they are. Scared to share their truth. Scared to be honest. Scared to be vulnerable. Because according to someone who's on a rampage right now, or in an outrage right now, or has a big platform right now, according to them, from their vantage point, you might be doing it wrong, saying it wrong, having a wrong truth.

[02:07:30] I know insane textures. I know them because I have teetered on the edges of them in various capacities for years and years and years. And what is going on collectively right now is turning literally insane. It's insane.

[02:07:57] Luke: I think, in terms of social media, that people feel emboldened to bully and mistreat other people because they have the security of sitting behind a keyboard or a phone, and there's no real risk in it. Whereas if you were in public somewhere and that person who's been shitting on you on social media-- not you, but on someone-- bullying them, trying to cancel them, whatever, they would probably just be fake and be like, "Oh, hi. How are you?" And not do shit in person.

[02:08:44] It's like when guys get drunk and they get liquid courage and pick a fight they can't win. It's that kind of thing. It's like this false sense of security where you can just say and do whatever you want without any consequences, because it's in the digital realm. It's not in real life where there are stakes.

[02:09:04] Alyson: The thing that I see too, and again, I'm not saying that everybody's doing this, so please, let's keep it gentle and loving and not nitpick. But also too, really being honest with yourself and watching what is truly the energetic fueling your posts. Is there a part of you-- 10%, 100%-- that's doing that post to say that thing because you are just doing it because you are fearing being called out?

[02:09:36] Do you see how it's just like in all these different ways and layers and facets, it's just fear perpetuating more fear, anxiety perpetuating more anxiety, separation perpetuating more separation? When you unpack it and get down to the root of all of it, it's like, if you really sat with yourself-- and maybe it's 50-50. Maybe 50% of you really feels called to speak to something and the other 50% is like, "I don't want to get attacked. I don't want to get canceled."

[02:10:10] It's like we really have to get to looking at all of this. It just really makes me so sad to see the meanness. And sometimes I see it coming from people who have experienced meanness themselves or people their own experience is of being canceled by others before.

[02:10:41] And I'm just like, "Whoa, the discombobulatedness." It's almost like, I wish I could just press a reset, a breath reset, a sacred pause button. Let's reset here. Can we reset? I know, just speaking from my own personal experience, and there may not be any grain of anything that anybody extracts from this, but just from my own personal experience and the way that my soul and the good Lord above and Earth mother calls me to primarily move and this incarnation is to face myself.

[02:11:30] And once I've healthily emerged and integrated, to share sometimes. I share the tiniest fraction of the inner work that I really do. But sometimes I have things to share, and sometimes there might be things that come out of that. And what I know is that I emerged from that cave period and facing the deepest, darkest, scariest parts of myself and the spiritual warfare.

[02:12:01] One of the things that emerged from that time and being led to working with Paige and things is for the first time in my life I created a vow. And the vow came through from stuff that doesn't really have to pertain to the topics we're talking about right now, but the vow that I am experiencing right now, that I am trying on, I don't know that I've 100% landed on the exact precise vow yet because I'm not typically a vow person in this way. Have my own oath with myself and God. That's a whole other story.

[02:12:35] But the vow I'm working with right now is I vow to bring peace to this planet. And so for me, being a greater embodiment of peace myself, starting every day with knowing that peace begins with me, vowing to tend to that first and foremost, and having that vow with God and earth mother, and myself, and for all of humanity, I know that that is a far greater positive transmission, embodiment than if I go on one social media platform that I've never really resonated with, that I've struggled to find a relationship with for the last 15 years, and ramble on about I am more of service having done the work that I did in that cave and the work of my lifetime, and having said and created that vow than if I go and type a sentence or a couple of paragraphs on a social media platform that I actually don't even really like being on, and it doesn't feel like a safe space anyways.

[02:14:09] I want to honor everyone's sovereignty. I want to honor the way that everyone feels, that they feel called to move. My guess if I have a request, is, can we all try to hold it with a bit more kindness and love and peace? Can we just try to embody and hold and take care of one another with a bit more love, kindness, and peace?

[02:14:59] There's a million other things that I could say, but there's just enough anxiety in the world right now. There's enough fear. There's enough fear mongering. There's enough group think. There's enough mob mentality. There's enough separation. There's enough of the insanity swirling around.

[02:15:20] And if we're not careful, you're going to get pulled into it, and you're going to become a vessel and an instrument for the exact thing that you're then going on these social media platforms rallying against-- if you're not careful. To me, the simplest and most profound way out or to maintain holding the solution is to make sure that you're embodying the thing, be the change you wish to see in the world.

[02:15:53] And really watching. What is moving you? What's truly the fire and the energy behind what you're saying, what you're doing, what you're posting about? And the rains come, the cleansing rains come. There's enough anxiety in the world. We need to start taking better care of one another. We need to be kinder to one another.

[02:16:22] I don't know how much more simple to make it. But the mean spiritedness and the chastising and the shaming and the witch hunting and all of these modern forms, where is that going to get us ever? Whatever happened to just trying to understand one another, truly? And we can have different viewpoints. And we can have actual healthy disagreements. And it can be held in a gentleness and a kindness. It can be held in a peace. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

[02:17:12] Luke: Amen, sister. That was beautiful. A lot of great nuggets in there.

[02:17:20] Alyson: We got to do on a micro scale what we're wanting to see on the macro scale.

[02:17:24] Luke: Yeah, yeah. Totally. The thing in there in all of that that really hits me is that our relationship with ourselves, the thoughts that we entertain, the feelings to which we give energy, the small actions, the big actions we express, every decision we make, those are literally the only things in the world that we have control over, if we even do that.

[02:17:59] And still we don't have control over all of those things all the time. But it's such a fool's errand to try to get other people to be compelled to follow what you think they should be doing or not doing. You literally have no control over anything outside of yourself, especially other people who are on their own independent sovereign agenda.

[02:18:27] Alyson: And what if someone's navigating something really scary? What if they're not of sound mind? Do you get what I'm saying? It's like there's a million things that could be going on. And the other thing that pinged in is I think one of the trillion nuances here and facets of all this huge multidimensional conversation again, it's like there's more merit and honor being put to this thing that's so played out to me, and that's of the physical, more masculine expression. What about the honoring of the N word, of the subtle, of the feminine, of the energetic? You see what I'm saying? It's like, when there's something playing out on earth, why does the most "impactful," or "powerful" thing that one can do have to equate to a more outward look at me, see what I'm doing?

[02:19:44] I'm in the more of that masculine action doer energy. It doesn't always have to equate to that. This is played out for millennia, where the power of the feminine, the power of the energetics, the power of the subtle realms, the power of tending to things energetically doesn't get as much respect and honor and value given to it as the outward masculine thing that's seen. What about the unseen? What about the unseen?

[02:20:27] I also think that it's time that we start to value and respect the unseen and the energetic and the feminine side as much as the rally cry outward expression, sometimes, look-at-me side. There's a lot of power in the folks that are going inward and quiet and silent and going in and doing the deepest, darkest, scariest work of their life.

[02:21:01] What if they're in there doing that, and in quiet mode, and don't even have the capacity to hardly function that day because they're trying to stay sane and trying to keep themselves alive? They barely have the energy to keep themselves sane and alive, let alone create a picket sign and make it out of their house and drive.

[02:21:28] There's some people I know who are doing such deep work on behalf of all of us, on behalf of all the realms, seen and unseen. They don't have the energy today to get out of their bed because they're so in their own cave of healing themselves and finding greater peace accessing within themselves. So there's a lot more than meets the eye, I guess is my point.

[02:21:56] And I guess I am a little bit tired of the played out story of the honor and the glory tending to only go or mostly go to the outward seen. What about the inward unseen? What about what that's doing? I know what I just made it through and the person I've become from that that embodies forgiveness like I've never known before. Peace like I've never known before. So many things. Unconditional love like I've never known before, both of self and other.

[02:22:42] I know for me that is way more of an offering of what I can give right now and across all time and space than if I were to go on a social media app that I don't fully resonate with, and write something that I may not be qualified or well versed to write on, and I'm not authentically, organically, divinely motivated and inspired to do that.

[02:23:16] Which one would you want me to do? Those are my two options. Which one would you prefer me to impart and do my part of being a part of the solution? Which one would you rather? And I know there's a lot of other people out there that operate similar to me.

[02:23:43] Luke: Or imagine the people who are really at a high point in their lives and things are going really well and they want to celebrate.

[02:23:59] Alyson: And they feel like they're not allowed to.

[02:24:01] Luke: Because they're like, "If I post this, that I just got engaged or I got a new car or promotion--"

[02:24:08] Alyson: They're afraid they're going to get attacked.

[02:24:09] Luke: Yeah. Like, how dare you enjoy your life when there's so much suffering in the world?

[02:24:15] Alyson: And that's adding to the greater peace of the whole thing by that person being in that conduit of gratitude for their life, of what just entered their life, because they just got engaged. That's what I mean when I say I know insane cycles and insane energetics, and that's what I meant when I say it's like teetering on the verges of those things.

[02:24:43] Luke: I think a lot of what the media does as an apparatus of the matrix power structure is creates the framework for these dynamics of division. And many people fall into the trap unknowingly and unwillingly participate in the divide and conquer dynamic because they don't realize that's what's happening. Hot damn. I love it when you get fired up and passionate.

[02:25:17] Alyson: I'm not aiming to get fired up. My intention is to stay centered and clear and grounded more than anything. I think I'm just curious and in exploration mode. I'm genuinely befuddled.

[02:25:42] Luke: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[02:25:46] Alyson: Call me crazy. I personally would like to see us being kinder to one another.

[02:25:58] Luke: Yeah. When I say fired up, I mean conviction. We've chatted about this, not at this level of detail, but I think it's really, really important message right now. So I'm glad we're able to at least begin to unpack the idea and look at it from a couple of different perspectives. I'm pretty clear on what my role in the world is.

[02:26:27] I probably don't fulfill my role perfectly. I'm sure I don't. But I'm not really confused about what it is. And I don't really care if other people agree with how I'm playing the role or if I'm making a contribution to the collective in a way that they think I should or shouldn't. I do what I'm guided to do and avoid what I'm not. And this is what you get.

[02:26:53] And that's the beautiful thing about anyone that has a podcast or social media following or produces any kind of independent media or writes books. Just you go listen to someone else if you don't resonate with someone. I's like there's 8.4 billion people supposedly, and we all have free will, and we can go follow someone else's work if we want. If we want more of that yang, warrior energy, there's plenty of people out there that one could gravitate toward. And let us peace next. Just have our little corner over here.

[02:27:29] Alyson: Yeah.

[02:27:30] Luke: Mm-hmm.

[02:27:31] Alyson: Yeah. I am the biggest proponent for honest expression. We're all artists. We're all humans. We all have shamanic components. We're all these wild, beautiful creatures. And I just don't think that these expressions need to come through with trying to humiliate another fellow human or publicly shame them or be really cruel and mean-spirited.

[02:28:08] I think we can all find our way as artists and feel authentically, honestly expressed without attacking another fellow human. Right? I'm genuinely asking. Do you think that that's possible?

[02:28:25] Luke: I think that that's reasonable. And I also think that because of the nature of the human ego and our tendency to over identify with it, that it's probably going to keep happening as long as humans are here. Because the issue is we have a animal body.

[02:28:49] And the animal body has this survival construct that loves to fight and loves to go to war and wants to always-- it lives on comparison, so it's always looking for a self-valuation, and it feels inferior or superior, and that oscillates back and forth. And any chance the human ego will get to feel superior, i will jump on it, no matter how cruel it is, or no matter how illogical it is, or insane it is.

[02:29:24] Alyson: Yeah.

[02:29:25] Luke: It's like the wars and the evil that people are fighting against, it's just a magnified meta expression of the root problem, which is over identification with the ego. And it's like that succubus energy of that darkness, it has a certain magnetism to the wounded parts of us. And so we get in there and fight each other when meanwhile over here, the entire construct of the matrix is the root of the whole issue.

[02:30:06] But it's like it draws the lower nature of us people in. It's very seductive to feel self-righteous and to feel like you're on top and your position is the right position, but it's all positionality. And positionality is a really difficult attachment to let go of.

[02:30:30] If you have a certain belief system or understanding of the world and someone else that disagrees with you threatens that, if you're very ego identified, then it feels to you like they're threatening your life because that is your life, because you believe that to be who you are, rather than just, oh, this is a position that I have or something I believe to be true. You're unable to hold it loosely because the ego clings to any fortification that keeps it intact and secure.

[02:31:08] Alyson: And so once again, with everything that you just said, which also ties into the idea of, yeah, when you are in survival mode, it understandably does then activate more of those animalistic fear-based, I've got to survive reactions, projections. And so whether it's that, what I just said, person in survival mode, maybe they don't even know it, so they're not realizing that the things they're saying, their behaviors are as harmful as they are because they're in that animal nature. Or the situation is exactly what you described, more of the ego identification.

[02:31:55] Again, either way, what is the most profound, powerful, foundational thing to get to? It's being honest with oneself, facing oneself, tending to oneself, going inward, doing the healing work that the person needs to do, and maybe if the base of all of that is-- the biggest thing anyone can do right now is tend to their central nervous systems, tend to your vagus nerve. Make sure you've got high vagal tone.

[02:32:28] Make sure that you are robustly well resourced within your central nervous system. Maybe that's the key of all keys right now for humanity because of all the anxiety and insane energy swirling, separation, fear energy swirling. Maybe the root of the root of the root macro is just what it is micro within each individual human, it's going to and making sure we're taking care of our central nervous systems.

[02:33:00] So our central nervous systems do not feel vulnerable so that we're less likely to go into ego identification. We're less likely to go into survival mode, animalistic potential harm mode, and we're able to maintain a centeredness, a sense of peace, senses of unconditional love, and we're able to more robustly hold the energetics we're all truly seeking at the end of the day.

[02:33:27] Luke: Boom. There it is. I love you. Thanks for joining me for another conversation.

[02:33:33] Alyson: Good Lord. All right.

[02:33:35] Luke: This has been fun. We went way deeper on a lot of things than I thought we would.

[02:33:42] Alyson: Yeah, I had my Animal Power book and deck out because there were some pertinent-- we'll do it next time. I'll bust them back out because, yeah, I think there were some power animals coming in for the collective, for our marriage, for me personally. Just this morning, I wrote down on the back of this piece of paper dragonfly. You can see it right here.

[02:34:02] 30 seconds after I wrote dragonfly for current power animal for me, I got up from where I was writing this in the backyard and walked to the bedroom door, and there was a huge dragonfly on the threshold of our door. And the power animal for our marriage, there's two main ones, but one of them being spider, on the day of this podcast, in the kitchen this morning, there was a spider that landed on my hand that you then ushered outside so it could live its best life outside.

[02:34:35] But both two current power animals showed up today right after I had written their names down. But we'll unpack that more. We'll unpack our wedding planning more. There was a lot that we didn't get to.

[02:34:51] Luke: I had a feeling when we penciled in an itinerary there's probably three episodes in there. What would really blow me away is if I shuffled your animal powered deck right now and pulled a card and it was the coyote.

[02:35:07] Alyson: You could. You could try it. Do you want to try it?

[02:35:09] Luke: Let me see.

[02:35:10] Alyson: I had pulled the ones that were pertinent so we could talk about those, but add those to these.

[02:35:17] Luke: And for those that don't know what we're talking about, Alyson wrote a book called Animal Power, and there's an animal powered deck. You can see it right here if you're watching the video.

[02:35:26] Alyson: Oh, it would've been funny. I still have the coyote ones too in a band.

[02:35:28] Luke: I'm going to shuffle them all. I'm not attached to getting the coyote. I'm just saying that would be pretty--

[02:35:32] Alyson: And Luke is not a card deck person, I will say. This is not his lane. I'll occasionally pull a card for him just for shits and giggles, but he's not, "Hey, you're not--" Oh, that's okay. I guess you can do it.

[02:35:44] Luke: I'm not bending them too much.

[02:35:45] Alyson: All right. That's a brand new deck. I literally opened that for this show.

[02:35:48] Luke: I'm not hurting them, I promise.

[02:35:50] Alyson: It's just funny. I've never seen a person shuffle an Oracle deck like you do a deck of cards.

[02:35:55] Luke: That's not what people do.

[02:35:57] Alyson: No.

[02:35:58] Luke: When we play UNO, I always bend the cards too much, honestly. She doesn't like it when I make the cards all bend.

[02:36:04] Alyson: I'm the UNO champ in the family also.

[02:36:06] Luke: You guys, I think my wife here is, I don't know--

[02:36:16] Alyson: If there's an UNO world competition, I could enter it. I'm really good.

[02:36:24] Luke: It is fucking bizarre.

[02:36:27] Alyson: Speak about anger. He's not throwing things, but you genuinely get mad sometimes.

[02:36:32] Luke: It's so annoying because it defies logic. She beats my ass. It's probably 9 out of 10 times.

[02:36:41] Alyson: I'm very good.

[02:36:42] Luke: And the thing that is so mystifying to me is that I've only been playing UNO for a few months. You turn me on. I hated games. I never liked cards or any board games. I don't like games. I can never remember the rules. They just confuse me. I get frustrated. It's like algebra to me. But anyway, she's like, "No, no, it'll be fun. It's a cool activity we can do together." Okay.

[02:37:06] Alyson: That's good with that kind of shuffling.

[02:37:09] Luke: Okay. I actually like UNO. It's fun. But it seems to me that it really is a game of chance much more than a game of skill. It pretty much is the winner is determined by the hand you get.

[02:37:23] Alyson: You do need to be a little ruthless though.

[02:37:26] Luke: There's a little skill involved, but let's admit it. A lot of it is in the deck. But maybe not because we-- okay, I'll shuffle and deal, and then she'll kick my ass. So next time she'll shuffle and deal and kick my ass. So then when it's my turn again, I'll get ready to put her hand down, and I'll switch them because I'm like, I know she just keeps getting the winning hand. She has some crazy--

[02:37:54] Alyson: I'll still, man.

[02:37:55] Luke: Yeah. And she'll still whoop my ass. So it's this ongoing, just totally bizarre thing that you have. You either have incredible luck, psychic abilities.

[02:38:06] Alyson: Well, hello. I do have psychic abilities

[02:38:09] Luke: Or you just slay at UNO.

[02:38:14] Alyson: Or all the above. Now, before you pull a card, and I do have to go to the bathroom pretty bad, so we'll make this brief. But do you need to-- because you don't work with cards much, you need to set the intention. So what is the intention for this card pull? The power animal, who most wants to show up for us today? Just make it that simple.

[02:38:31] Luke: No, I have a better one.

[02:38:32] Alyson: Okay.

[02:38:34] Luke: I am setting the intention that I pull the power animal that would best speak to people who want to work on the way they interact and share on social media pertaining to the last part of our conversation.

[02:38:54] Alyson: Very interesting. Now, this is a literal brand-new deck. I took the wrapping off before we started to record. This is the first card that's being pulled out of this deck. Now, I typically knock on top of the deck three times before I let the card reveal. I'll let you decide if that's necessary or not because this is a brand-new deck. There's no-- wow. You are very-- okay.

[02:39:21] Luke: And then I'm just going to intuitively pick from any spot in the deck, right?

[02:39:26] Alyson: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I typically move them around.

[02:39:29] Luke: Fan them out a little bit around.

[02:39:31] Alyson: I'll let you do it.

[02:39:33] Luke: Okay.

[02:39:34] Alyson: I'll quit trying to guide

[02:39:35] Luke: Got them all fanned out here as you can see. Okay. Here we go. Ready?

[02:39:45] Alyson: I'm ready.

[02:39:47] Luke: Snake.

[02:39:48] Alyson: Oh, interesting. Mm-hmm. What's the message on snake?

[02:39:53] Luke: Snake was my favorite animal when I was a kid.

[02:39:58] Alyson: Hmm. Read the message on it first.

[02:40:00] Luke: Oh, welcome higher guidance.

[02:40:03] Alyson: There we go. So we have our snake friend coming in to support us. And I also will add for those who didn't know or might've forgotten, we are in the year of the wood snake. 2025 is the year of the snake. So I'm not surprised. And recently, we came across a dead snake. Also recently, we had a snake skin from your dad's memorial service trip that I accidentally left in the glove box of a rental car. So there's going to be surprise for the next--

[02:40:37] Luke: Right. And we saw the snake that had shed the skin too that lived under dad's driveway.

[02:40:42] Alyson: We did. And the last time I had friends over there was a friend who almost brought me a huge snake because she found it next to her house and was the first thing she said she thought of, was like, "I think I'm supposed to bring this dead snake to Alyson."

[02:40:55] Luke: Oh, it was dead?

[02:40:56] Alyson: It was dead. But anyway, snake's been coming in very loud and clear for me, for us. And speaking of, it's cool that you did a reading for the collective, and this is the animal for the collective for this year, is the snake

[02:41:14] Luke: Epic. Okay. Ready?

[02:41:16] Alyson: Yeah.

[02:41:17] Luke: When snake appears, it's a sign that change is on the horizon and that new, spiritual, sexual, or woo woo, or creative forces are rising within you. Snake signifies a time of transformation. Your old snake skin is ready to be shed so that you can move forward with newfound power and clarity. When snake beckons, it is important for you to become more in tune than ever with your higher self.

[02:41:45] Connect with your higher self through practices like meditation or breath work, and listen to the intuitive messages that present. What gifts and powers are hiding beneath your old skin ready to reveal themselves to the world? Invocation to activate snake medicine. Sacred snake, I hear your call for me to begin a process of transformation. I open myself to the new life force that wants to birth within me. May all this be done to serve the greatest good with healthy integration and embodiment and ease. There you go.

[02:42:24] Alyson: Mic drop.

[02:42:25] Luke: There you go.

[02:42:26] Alyson: Literally, mic drop. Whoop.

[02:42:28] Luke: These mics are expensive. Don't drop them.

[02:42:31] Alyson: Is that not exactly what for 30 minutes we talked about?

[02:42:36] Luke: Yeah.

[02:42:36] Alyson: Going inward, intuitive guidance, getting into embodiment, different inward practices like meditation, consulting higher guidance, God. Wow.

[02:42:48] Luke: Yeah.

[02:42:50] Alyson: And also, the word collective was in that, I think.

[02:42:53] Luke: But didn't say anything about punishing those that you don't think are doing good works, right?

[02:42:58] Alyson: Publicly humiliating, chastising. Let me see. There was one other thing really quick, and then Cookie's ready to eat, and I'm ready to go pee. Yeah, Cooks. We're talking about you on the show. She's up here sitting with me right now. You're so cute. You're so beautiful. Every time I touch her nose, that noise comes out. Oh, she hit me. She tapped me.

[02:43:22] Yeah, I just want to say, again-- oh, transformation. Sacred snake, I hear your call for me to begin a process of transformation. I open myself to the new life force that wants to birth within me. May this all be done to serve the greatest good. Because that's the thing. That's the whole point we're all both trying to make.

[02:43:44] Even those doing the public humiliating calling out route, it's like, I know at the end of the day, they all want what's best for the world-- I would like to think. So may this all be done to serve the greatest good with healthy integration, embodiment, and ease. And so it is.

[02:44:02] Right, Cooks? She says yes. She gave me a kiss. Yes. Oh boy. All right. This was a big ride, fun ride. Sending love to all. Thanks for being in this field of loving awareness with us, and thanks for having me, honey.