[00:00:54] Luke Storey: So you lost your dad about a year ago? Uh, which I share. My [00:01:00] dad died last, uh, January. So a little over, a little over a year ago. You're in a couple weeks. What was that experience like for you?

[00:01:09] Jason Shurka: Such a good question. It was the hardest time of my life and I grew so much from it. So also the best time of my life.

[00:01:17] But that sounds weird 'cause my dad died. My dad was my best friend. Still is my best friend. I don't speak about him in past tense 'cause I feel him. I feel him everywhere I go. I feel like he uses me in ways, like from the other side in a unique way. It's an honor to be able to do that. He was a powerhouse in every possible way and it was unexpected.

[00:01:40] It was actually a medical error. Third leading cause of death in America, medical error. And he was 62.

[00:01:48] Luke Storey: Oh wow.

[00:01:49] Jason Shurka: Super young. I'm 28.

[00:01:51] Luke Storey: Wow.

[00:01:51] Jason Shurka: He was 62 and

[00:01:53] Luke Storey: that's really young. I'm 55.

[00:01:56] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[00:01:56] Luke Storey: Damn.

[00:01:57] Jason Shurka: Yeah. And it, what made it [00:02:00] extremely difficult but also a very powerful experience is that I was with him when it happened in the last 30 seconds 'cause it happened very fast with certain malfunctions of the medical system and whatever it may be.

[00:02:13] And I was the last person he saw before he passed. I saw him pass. It was the most traumatizing experience I've ever experienced in my life. And yet if I could go back and do it all over again, I wouldn't change a thing because it was the first time I got to see somebody pass. It was the first time I got to see the transition happen and what I saw, um, not everybody has seen a dead person before, or I should say a dead body 'cause that's really what it is.

[00:02:42] But what I saw. Your eyes have like light in them right now. We're looking at each other and there's light. And when there's no soul in the body anymore, when there's no animating force, the eye becomes faded. Almost like there's no light, but [00:03:00] it looks like the person's like blind or they have a film over their eye.

[00:03:03] And I got to see him from the light in his eyes to the faded eyes. And the reason why that helped me so much as horrible as it was to see was because look, I've written books and I speak all around the world about the idea of death and the fact that it doesn't actually exist. And words are words until they're put into action.

[00:03:26] And this was put into action. It was the first time in my life that I was able to see all of my teachings in real time and actually be tested by them. It was the first time I saw somebody pass. It was the first time I saw that with the eyes. And interestingly enough, when I buried him 12 hours later, 'cause we come from a Jewish family in the Jewish tradition, you bury as soon as possible.

[00:03:50] So he passed away March 5th at like 1:00 AM We buried him March 5th at 2:00 PM So 13 hours later, and there were a [00:04:00] lot of people at the funeral and I gave us the best speech I could, crying my eyes out and I said something that I really meant. I said, you know, this experience that I just saw. And everything that my father has taught me.

[00:04:12] But this experience that I just went through, it proved to me that in this very moment, at the funeral, in this very moment, I'm not burying my father, I'm burying my father's body. And there's a very big difference between the two. 'cause sure, okay. His body decomposed and is now gonna recompose into something else.

[00:04:33] But when I was able to see that through this traumatic experience, I share what I just said of I, I didn't bury my father. I buried my father's body as much as I can because there are two things that are guaranteed in life, birth and death. And they're one and the same. They're just different parts of the cycle of life.

[00:04:53] So everybody is going to experience somebody close to them die. And [00:05:00] that little nugget of the difference, the true difference between burying the body and burying the, whatever you want to call it, him, which is not the body, help me get through it and. A lot of what I do today is in his honor, he was very, very, very focused on alternative health and wellness.

[00:05:23] He was banned from Sloan Kettering Hospital because every single time he would walk in when somebody needed help, they would, they would walk out and the hospital got upset because every single, that's like half a million dollars a person losing

[00:05:36] Luke Storey: customers.

[00:05:37] Jason Shurka: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was not a doctor scientist.

[00:05:40] He was a real estate guy.

[00:05:41] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:05:41] Jason Shurka: With a passion and alternative health and wellness. And I feel like what I'm doing today is continuing his legacy in a more professional way, if you will. But the guy helps so many people, and I want to keep that going if I can.

[00:05:54] Luke Storey: That's beautiful. Yeah. There's a lot of parallels in.

[00:05:59] I think in [00:06:00] our experience of the passing, and also sounds like, um, our dads too were similar. My dad was a business guy into real estate, but was also really into fringe, you know, alternative medicine and healing and stuff like that. He was a big inspiration to me, and I found out about a lot of things through him.

[00:06:18] And he is like a, he still, I mean, not a redneck, but like a Colorado mountain hunting, fishing, rodeo, cowboy kind of guy. Like, you'd never look at him, never did drugs. You know what I mean? Real, like conservative, that's the word I'm looking for. Um, but yeah, he, back in like the nineties, early nineties, he was doing hyperbaric chambers and all this kind of stuff and taking all these supplements and that's kind of what inspired me to get into it, I think in the beginning.

[00:06:45] But it's, it's cool to have someone in your life in a mentorship capacity That's

[00:06:51] Yeah.

[00:06:51] Multifaceted. Mm-hmm. Because I'd call him and ask him about business stuff and also, you know, things about healing and different ways to [00:07:00] approach aging gracefully.

[00:07:03] Jason Shurka: You're doing quite well.

[00:07:05] Luke Storey: Yeah, man. I mean, I just like to feel good, you know what I'm saying?

[00:07:08] I'm pretty obsessive about all this stuff. Um, admittedly, but, you know, I was thinking about it the other day. I haven't been sick, knock on wood since. November, 2020.

[00:07:20] Jason Shurka: Wow.

[00:07:21] Luke Storey: You know, and I don't really track time that well, but I was like, that's pretty cool. You know, there was a time in my life when, you know, like I'd get seasonal colds in the flu and this kind of stuff, and I was like, I just hated that feeling of not being able to be in my full capacity.

[00:07:37] You know? I mean, everyone hates being sick, right. It sucks. So I just think a lot of the work I've put into this stuff is just like, how can I avoid that and just feel awesome all the time? So

[00:07:46] Jason Shurka: how funny is it that you're saying like the seasonal sickness that most people get that only happens to humans.

[00:07:52] Like there's no species that you know, gets sick. Like it's a business cycle every day. That's a

[00:07:57] Luke Storey: good point.

[00:07:58] Jason Shurka: Think about that.

[00:07:59] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:07:59] Jason Shurka: You [00:08:00] know, and then ironically enough, we're the only people that inject against it, and we're the only people that get it. And yet you go to the animal kingdom and they don't do any of that, and they also don't get any of that.

[00:08:13] So I wonder if there's a connection.

[00:08:14] Luke Storey: True.

[00:08:16] Jason Shurka: I don't know. I'm just putting it out there, you

[00:08:17] Luke Storey: know. Well, I've had some people on the show that have made some pretty compelling cases for, I mean, not cases for, but negating the idea of, of germ theory and contagion and all that, that have been really interesting to me and help me to kind of rethink all of that.

[00:08:34] Mm-hmm.

[00:08:34] I mean, even to the point where. I'll hear someone say like, oh, you know, I was just over at this house and everyone was sick. I hope we don't get sick. And I think like that's impossible. I mean, there might be some other signaling going on to like encourage you to start detoxing, which is what I think most sickness is.

[00:08:50] Um, but yeah, it's been pretty liberating, just kind of changing my perspective on that. And I'm, I'm less afraid, you know, of like washing my hands or being around [00:09:00] someone that has a cold. It's like, I don't know.

[00:09:01] Jason Shurka: Well, I think the more you sanitize, you're actually doing the opposite because you're not letting your body create the layers of defense that it would naturally have.

[00:09:10] But one of the things, and again, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a scientist, I'm just a curious guy. And I think that because of that, that I don't understand terminology for med school and all that. 'cause I was never taught that there's actually a pro to that where you can simplify things in an easier way to understand.

[00:09:29] So with all like contagion, myth and all that, I like breaking it down to the sick, the, the law of synchronization with your environment. So if you are around a lot of people that are sick, well you get sick, you may, but the mechanism of is what we're arguing about, about that's,

[00:09:49] Luke Storey: that's, that's the point.

[00:09:51] Jason Shurka: Yeah. Right. The mechanism is the debate. Exactly.

[00:09:53] So

[00:09:53] Jason Shurka: some say you got it from them, but. I've been around a lot of sick people and I didn't get sick, so [00:10:00] why didn't, if if we're talking about science and the scientific method, if you're gonna make a scientific statement, you need to be able to repeat that over and over again.

[00:10:10] And when one person is around a sick person and gets sick, and then another person is around, that same person doesn't get sick, you see that there's something going on that doesn't fit this method, or it's not exactly what we're saying. So yeah. Are there germs in the world? Yeah, but right now, I mean, we're, we're literally exchanging millions and billions of germs and viruses.

[00:10:34] If, if you believe in that,

[00:10:36] Luke Storey: I don't think I do at this point.

[00:10:37] Jason Shurka: I understand, and people talk about exosomes, but whatever,

[00:10:40] Luke Storey: whatever. Dude, I had a guy in here the other day, uh, which was an, an amazing episode on DNA, you know, and I've never looked into DNA, right? But. You know, it was very convincing. And the story, he, he's a clinician and he works with people, you know, based on their DNA profile in terms of what supplements and exercise and lifestyle choices they can make that are most compatible with their, [00:11:00] with their genes.

[00:11:01] And, um, I was, I was super into it, and I mean, I still am, but then the very next day I was on Twitter or somewhere and it was like, I forget, it was maybe my friend Alex Z, someone that I respect, um, he was like, ah, DN a's fake. It's like, it's like viruses. And I was like, oh God. Every time I do a podcast about something that I realize, like, wait, there's a whole group of people, a small contingent of people that deep, you know, have debunked this thing.

[00:11:26] So it's funny, it's hard to keep up because we're just so conditioned to believe in certain things, you know? But with the contagion thing, one that's always gotten me is like, when you have a group of females that are together for a period of time,

[00:11:39] Jason Shurka: her menstrual cycles,

[00:11:40] Luke Storey: their cycles start to sink. And we would never think like, oh, you caught a period for me.

[00:11:44] How much of this party, a bunch of worm on their cycle? And I caught it, you know? It's like, it doesn't work like that. There's something about you said the synchronistic. Yeah.

[00:11:52] Jason Shurka: They're synchronizing with their environment.

[00:11:53] Luke Storey: It's like there's a coherence, you know? Exactly. Things kind of coalesce together in a way that makes it look like [00:12:00] causation, when in reality that's actually correlation.

[00:12:02] Jason Shurka: Yep.

[00:12:02] Luke Storey: There's a sympathetic sort of response, you know,

[00:12:04] Jason Shurka: and it's like, it's just interesting with how it works. But when you read between the lines, by the way, that's how this works. It's the law of synchronization with your environment, create a coherent environment. Synchronize with coherency, create a distorted environment, synchronize with distortion.

[00:12:19] It's a pretty simple thing that we can go into the complexities of, but that's not worth anything before understanding the foundation. The foundation of health versus disease is much simpler than we've been told. Health is energetic balance, disease is energetic imbalance. And when you understand just that, when I understood just that it changed the way that I went about healing when I was sick and, and thank God I never had anything drastic, I'm more so like, you know, nothing crazy.

[00:12:50] But I've seen a lot of sick people and the first thing that they're told if they have cancer is, you know, you go do this therapy or this, [00:13:00] or there's three things you could tell them to do legally, which is chemo, surgery and radiation. Everything else is, you know, not really proven, although that's a whole other rabbit hole we can go into another time.

[00:13:11] The point is, is when you're, when you're looking at like how all of these things work and when you understand the difference between health versus disease from an energetic standpoint because that's the base of everything, then it's no longer how do I kill the cancer? It's how do I create an environment where the cancer cannot exist?

[00:13:32] And the first question, both have the same intention, but the first question leads to a mechanism of destruction and the second intention or the second statement, and mechanism leads to a mechanism of. The opposite, creation, construction. And that's kind of how I live my life now. It's pretty cool.

[00:13:51] Luke Storey: Was your dad's body buried in a cemetery?

[00:13:54] Jason Shurka: Yeah, Jewish cemetery, but we made him

[00:13:57] Luke Storey: like in the neighborhood in near, near right

[00:13:59] Jason Shurka: where he went near my [00:14:00] family.

[00:14:00] Luke Storey: Oh, okay.

[00:14:00] Jason Shurka: I made him the most badass gravestone. It's a hu He loved yin yangs. So I call the the grave guy makers, whatever you call them, the stone guys. And I'm like, Hey, I have an unusual request.

[00:14:13] I need a very big circle stone that's gonna stand like whatever X amount of feet in diameter. But I need, I need it to be a yin yang. And I needed to be two separate stones that come together with white marble and black granite. And I want it to be like a monument of what I knew he would've loved.

[00:14:35] Imagine loving to go to the cemetery to see your dad's stone. I love it. It's the most beautiful thing in the world.

[00:14:41] Luke Storey: That's epic. And they got it done in time or did it get added later? It took five months. Oh, okay.

[00:14:44] Jason Shurka: Added later.

[00:14:45] Luke Storey: Okay, got it. So I was thinking they did it in 12 hours. That's impressive. No,

[00:14:49] Jason Shurka: it took five months to build,

[00:14:50] Luke Storey: you know, I learned something.

[00:14:51] Uh, I'm always studying ways to circumvent authoritarianism, uh, [00:15:00] and, you know, just anything I can do to be free. And I was preparing our, our will and trust and things like that. So I was looking into different options for, um, for burial when I eventually leave the body, hopefully sooner or later than sooner.

[00:15:13] So I was looking into like green burials, natural burial where, you know, the body doesn't get filled with all these chemicals that, you know, go pollute the planet and such. And um, in that research I discovered something really interesting in law, and that is in most states, if you bury someone, I always say bury, but I think you say bury if you bury some.

[00:15:34] I've always said bury my whole life. I just realized it.

[00:15:37] Jason Shurka: I say that too.

[00:15:38] Luke Storey: You do bury. Yeah. Then I heard, I think I was listening to a podcast and someone's like, well, where were they buried? And I was like, buried. That sounds weird. I'm like, oh no, I think that's the right way.

[00:15:46] Jason Shurka: That actually makes sense. It's spelt with a u.

[00:15:48] Luke Storey: Yeah, exactly. Uh, if, if someone in your family, or I guess anyone for that matter, but mostly your family is buried on your property, um, in most states

[00:15:59] Jason Shurka: [00:16:00] tax free.

[00:16:00] Luke Storey: Yeah. It enables you to designate your property forevermore as a cemetery.

[00:16:05] Jason Shurka: You know, who

[00:16:06] did

[00:16:06] Luke Storey: that as a burial ground. And there's no more property taxes for infin.

[00:16:10] Jason Shurka: Donald Trump did that with his wife, his first wife who died, Yvonne.

[00:16:14] Luke Storey: Really?

[00:16:15] Jason Shurka: And she's buried in the golf course in New Jersey, and it's, that's real

[00:16:21] Luke Storey: realistic.

[00:16:22] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[00:16:22] Luke Storey: So you heard about

[00:16:23] Jason Shurka: that?

[00:16:24] Luke Storey: Yeah. I've told people that. They're like, what? That sounds weird. I'm like, no, I looked it up. It's legit. I mean, every state kind of as different.

[00:16:29] Jason Shurka: Yeah. New Jersey laws with their tax exempt status on a situation like that fits it and that's why he did it there.

[00:16:36] Luke Storey: Yeah. Yeah. There are,

[00:16:36] Jason Shurka: otherwise, why would he go to New Jersey?

[00:16:38] Luke Storey: There's some stipulations around, you know, how the body's prepared and how it's buried. You know, you can't just like dig a hole like he would for your cat or something, you know?

[00:16:45] Yeah. But anyway, I always found that interesting. So heads up anyone listening or watching, I might have just hacked generational tax freedom for you, but the unfortunate thing is someone has to leave

[00:16:56] Yes.

[00:16:57] In order for that to happen. Uh, speaking of leaving, [00:17:00] I, I know based on your history, you've had some pretty significant injuries and things like that back in the day.

[00:17:05] Uh, have you ever crossed over into the realm of maybe dying?

[00:17:11] Jason Shurka: I've never been on the other side for a short period of time. I've been very close to it several times. Uh, to, to elaborate on what you're talking about. So this shoulder, all of my injuries happened between 14 and 18 years old, and I think they caused me to grow up much quicker because of how they happened.

[00:17:29] So this shoulder, my left shoulder, I dislocated 23 times. I got, I got, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got that.

[00:17:36] Luke Storey: How do you even do that? Wouldn't,

[00:17:38] Jason Shurka: like, sometimes it happened in my sleep.

[00:17:39] Luke Storey: Wouldn't after the, the eighth time, you're like, I'm gonna stop doing that thing with the shoulder.

[00:17:43] Jason Shurka: Oh, no, no, no. I wasn't doing anything.

[00:17:44] Luke Storey: Oh, wow.

[00:17:45] Jason Shurka: So I'll give you my interpretation of events of what I think it all means. And I

[00:17:49] Luke Storey: thought you like, kept playing football, you know? No,

[00:17:52] Jason Shurka: no, no, no. Like,

[00:17:52] Luke Storey: dude,

[00:17:53] Jason Shurka: get

[00:17:53] Luke Storey: the message.

[00:17:54] Jason Shurka: So, so 23 times, three shoulder surgeries by age 18 almost needed a mechanical [00:18:00] shoulder. Thank God I'm good, everything's great.

[00:18:02] Then after that whole ordeal ended with my shoulder and everything was good, I got a staph infection in my left leg. I was backpacking in Thailand. I was alone. I was actually with a friend, but he had to leave. My parents were not happy about it at the time. 'cause I was 18 and I'm like, I'm staying in Thailand.

[00:18:19] I got this little cut. I was stupid and went to those, uh, you know, the, the pedicures? Not the pedicures, but the fish that eat

[00:18:29] Luke Storey: the fish. Yeah, yeah. I did that in Cambodia.

[00:18:30] Jason Shurka: Yeah. Yeah. So I did that, but I had a cut. Oh, and I didn't connect the two. I didn't think about it. And till this damn convinced, that's where I got the infection from.

[00:18:38] 'cause that's kinda when it started. And that's what I did differently. Almost needed to get my leg amputated. I was eight hours away from an amputation, 24 hours away from death. If it hit my bloodstream, hit, my heart would've been over. And through this period of four years, I was in a sling for most of the time because of my shoulder.

[00:18:57] And the leg was like the cherry on top. [00:19:00] And by age 18, it was actually right before I turned 19 because I was in the hospital on my 19th birthday. And it was a horrible way to spend my 19th birthday, especially as a teenager. And my interpretation of the, the series of events, number one, as horrible as it was, greatest blessing that ever happened to me because right around 14 I started doing things differently in my life.

[00:19:25] And what I mean by that is, and I think a lot of people can probably relate to this, for me as a kid, I was weird. Like I loved ancient aliens. The show, I loved space, I loved things having to do with spirituality. I loved all these things that every other 10, 11-year-old would be like, what's wrong with you?

[00:19:44] When my grandfather died, I was, uh, nine years old. He had Alzheimer's, the guy was suffering. When he died, my mom sat us down. She said, your grandfather passed away. My sister was crying. I was happy. I was happy because I'm like. The guy was suffering, the guy was a [00:20:00] vegetable, he's no longer a vegetable. And everybody started looking at me, around me like, what's wrong with this kid?

[00:20:05] There's something weird with him. So naturally around 12, 13, 14, specifically, it's right when you're about to go to high school. I switched schools and I didn't want people to think I was weird. So I put this mask on and I just completely lived a fake life and I did everything that you would think is like the cool kid in the movies, like throwing all the parties and the girls and the, all this stupid stuff.

[00:20:30] And that's when things started happening. My shoulders started happening. Oh

[00:20:35] Luke Storey: yeah.

[00:20:36] Jason Shurka: Then my leg happened and like I was a, I was like the, a real asshole by age 18 and like not as a bad person, but like, you know, like you have two girls, one on each arm and the bottle of alcohol. And it was like a, a joke and it wasn't me and I knew it wasn't me.

[00:20:52] Luke Storey: Were you like, uh, one of those Jersey shore guys?

[00:20:55] Jason Shurka: No, but not, not far from it. And I'm like, what am I doing? What is this? Yeah. [00:21:00] And I remember in the hospital on my 19th birthday when I had what, and this was a horrible situation with what happened with the staph infection. It was actually more traumatic than my dad dying with what I saw that that's how much pain I was going through.

[00:21:17] It was horrible. And there was a point where I'm like, I woke up one morning that morning on my 19th birthday and I could hear my heartbeat. And it was the first time I could hear my heartbeat, didn't have a phone next to me, didn't have any social media next to me, none of that. And there was this thought that came up and I'm like, wow, my heart is beating.

[00:21:39] But it wouldn't be able to beat without the time of silence. And between each beat, what is this silence? What is this presence? What is this stillness? How does it, I'm getting the chills. How does it work? Like what is that? And that is when my mind and my heart started opening, [00:22:00] I decided to delete all of my social media.

[00:22:02] And this was when I was using social media for like work with what I do today, but to like show off stupid things, right? I deleted all my social media. I didn't read a book till the age of 19 in my life. 'cause I thought it was weird. Okay. And I didn't want people to think I was a nerd. So I started reading.

[00:22:22] The first book I ever read was called Energy Medicine. And alongside that, another book called The One Minute Cure, all about hydrogen peroxide and how it oxygenates the body and certain protocols and whatnot. And that my dad got me into, 'cause that's what he loved doing and alternative wellness. And started reading, started writing.

[00:22:41] And I basically went into Buddha mode for like two years. I did on my 21st birthday, most people go and drink. I fasted for 30 days. I shut my phone off for 30 days. My life changed like. 180 degrees, if not more than it was insane of, of [00:23:00] what I was experiencing. All because of the injuries that I went through.

[00:23:04] Where I feel, and this is just my interpretation, that it was whether you call it your higher self, you call it a higher power, you call it God, whatever you wanna call it. There was something trying to wake me up and say, get back on track. And when I didn't listen the first time, it made it a little bit louder so it hurt more with the shoulder and I didn't listen.

[00:23:25] So then it started happening in my sleep and I didn't listen. So then it happened again and I broke it 'cause I was knee keyboard like another idiot. And then, and then after I already got surgery once time my kneeboarding and then I didn't listen to that one. So I got the staph infection. And I'm convinced Luke, that if I kept going on that path and I didn't listen to the messages, I would not be here today because I was close to dying multiple times.

[00:23:49] And thankfully I did. And that's what caused the change. And I think it's a beautiful thing because there is a silver lining in every hardship we go through in our lives. And if we look at every hardship, no [00:24:00] matter how difficult it may be, and I've been through some, some ugly stuff with that and my father and, and not nice things to see if you can try to ask or make it a point to ask.

[00:24:11] And this is what I've started practicing, not why is this happening to me, but how is this happening for me? Just a change of one word from two to four. It shifted my entire perspective on life. It shifted the way I go about every situation, and it's propelled me to what I'm doing today.

[00:24:31] Luke Storey: Perspective is everything, man.

[00:24:34] Everything. I catch myself, I mean, every day at some point, just framing something. I mean, less so than I used to, but I guess I, I do it so infrequently actually, that I do notice when I do it, but if I find myself just complaining about something and, oh, it's raining, it sucks when it rains, whatever. Like if something inconsequential to something really meaningful, but there's such [00:25:00] immense value in, um, being aware of your perspective.

[00:25:04] I mean, I think that's changed my life more than probably any other principle is just watching the way I talk about things and think about things. And it's so, it's kind of so obvious and so, I don't know, played out in a way and kind of the new age, personal development space, it's like, oh, you create your own reality.

[00:25:26] It's like, it sounds trite at this point, but it's so goddamn true. It's

[00:25:30] Jason Shurka: true.

[00:25:31] Luke Storey: It's so goddamn true. 'cause you can look at the experiences that you had and it's like, oh, the best thing ever, you know? But it's only that way because time has passed and you were able to play around with the objective reality of it, and.

[00:25:46] Extract your own meaning from it, right? Where someone else might have just gone down the road you were going down and never paused to reflect on it.

[00:25:54] Jason Shurka: Most people do. And then they have the same themes happening in their life over and over and over and over again, [00:26:00] and they ask why? Because those themes are tests not in a negative way.

[00:26:04] They're gifts being given to you. And if you don't wanna receive the gift, you're gonna be given the gift. Again, it's not a bad thing, it's a good thing.

[00:26:10] Luke Storey: Totally.

[00:26:11] Jason Shurka: It's an opportunity.

[00:26:11] Luke Storey: Well, I, I really relate to that and I, I do my best to remind myself, you know, when something is happening to me, right? Where it's like, oh, well, hold on, we don't know the end of the story yet.

[00:26:22] Right? It's like if you go watch a movie and the beginning of the movie seems very tragic and hopeless, and oh, there's no way the protagonist is ever gonna get out of it. The hero's journey, right? Like, where's the guide? Like, where's a piece of hope, a key to unlock this riddle? And if you stop 15 minutes into the movie when you know the problem is being presented, uh, it would seem like a terrible movie, but like most movies, eventually it's going to come to an end point where you're like, oh, thank God that thing happened earlier, because look at what came out of it.

[00:26:54] Right? But it's, I think it's so hard for, for some of us to, um, to do that in real time. You know, [00:27:00] to not have to wait until three years, five years later and go, oh, now I can look back and see why that really shitty thing happened. It ended up being for my betterment. I love the idea of just actually doing that in real time in the moment

[00:27:13] Jason Shurka: and knowing that it will come.

[00:27:15] Luke Storey: Yeah,

[00:27:15] Jason Shurka: I think that's where faith comes in.

[00:27:17] Luke Storey: Yeah, yeah,

[00:27:18] Jason Shurka: there, there like what has gotten me through hard times in life and what will always get me through hard times in life, at least from my perspective now 'cause that's also evolving all the time, is knowing that there are certain laws that this universe works by.

[00:27:33] And it has nothing to do with my opinion. It has nothing to do, to do with your opinion. There are no opinions with fundamental laws, and I like focusing on those fundamental laws as much as I can. For example, the law of conservation of energy, first law of thermodynamics, energy can't be created or destroyed.

[00:27:53] That's a fact. Now, when you actually think about that, [00:28:00] you can extra extrapolate a lot of amazing conclusions and perspectives and understandings from that. For example, the conservation, the law of conservation of energy, energy can't be created or destroyed, proves that death is an illusion. It shows that we decompose in order to recompose.

[00:28:18] Now the details of that, I don't know, but the details, I'm not, you know, maybe we'll know that one day and maybe we won't, but if we just go according to guiding principles, it makes this infinite life so much more fun to live and much easier to live too. Think of numbers, numbers are infinite. If you thought about infinity all the time, you'd go crazy 'cause it never starts and it never ends.

[00:28:47] And yet numbers have certain laws that they work by. So number one, outside of laws, if you want to not know what infinity is, 'cause you can't know something that [00:29:00] has no limits to no means to limit all other possibilities.

[00:29:03] Luke Storey: Totally. That's a good point.

[00:29:04] Jason Shurka: So let's take no out of the equation.

[00:29:06] Luke Storey: Yeah,

[00:29:06] Jason Shurka: yeah, yeah.

[00:29:06] Right. And just do it a little bit differently.

[00:29:08] Luke Storey: Knowing is really boring too.

[00:29:09] Jason Shurka: Knowing is very boring.

[00:29:11] Luke Storey: Wondering is much more fun.

[00:29:12] Jason Shurka: Yes. And, and wondering based on guiding principles takes you really far. So when it comes to numbers, there are four laws, if you will, and 10 digits that you need to know in order to understand how Infinity works.

[00:29:30] Not what Infinity is, but how Infinity works. What are those? We all know them. Zero. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Addition, subtraction, multiplication, division. With those 14 components, which we all know you understand how numbers work. Nah, you can go deeper and so on and so forth, but those are your basics first and foremost.

[00:29:54] Now take electricity. If you wanted to know what electricity is, [00:30:00] good luck because you may think you know, and then you'll tell me what it is and then I'm gonna ask you another question. So what's that? And then so what's that? And then we get to this point of, I don't know, it's just this energy and we don't know what it is or, but you don't even know what It's

[00:30:16] Luke Storey: same with fire.

[00:30:17] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[00:30:17] Luke Storey: I was looking at a fire the other night, s the crazy memorial at a friend's, uh, memorial and I was watching the fire. I do this a lot. Um, when I see something interesting like that, a natural phenomenon, I try to pretend like I've never seen it before. Like I just came from another planet where the fire doesn't exist.

[00:30:36] Right. Just to appreciate things. Same with people, right? It's like we kind of take people for granted. Oh yeah, there's Joe. Hey Joe, what's up man? Yeah, you just kind of, you not really present to that person, right? But I was looking at fire and I was like, it's the weirdest fucking thing ever. Like electricity.

[00:30:51] What even is that?

[00:30:54] Jason Shurka: Like how are we communicating right now? Yeah. What is this?

[00:30:56] Luke Storey: Well, you could explain electricity. Be if, if to your point, like if I [00:31:00] tried to explain to you electricity, I would at the very best be able to, I mean, I'm sure some people could do better than I, because it's not my area of expertise, but I could show you the effects of electricity or what it's used for.

[00:31:14] Maybe even part of how it's generated. But what it actually is, is beyond explanation. Just like fire,

[00:31:22] Jason Shurka: even as an electrician, at the end of the day, they need to know how mechanisms work with electricity. And that's why they're electricians, because they are masters of electricity. So when an electrician comes to your home and wires a bunch of stuff, and then you flip the switch and the light turns on, it's not some crazy situation.

[00:31:39] It's causing effect. He did this. There are mechanisms. He followed the mechanisms, or she followed the mechanisms. And now you flip the switch and the light turns on. Well, if there electricians in this world that are masters of electricity, then why can't we be masters of energy and understand how to [00:32:00] create access, certain realities?

[00:32:03] They're fundamental laws. So those fundamental laws are what I love to follow because they really do help me guide certain things throughout my life. For example, there was somebody that tried to create something maliciously and take over something that I was building, and I looked and I said, okay. And there were a bunch of people messaging me saying, this was a few years ago.

[00:32:26] Bunch of people messaged me saying, uh, this woman is doing X, Y, and z What? Like, what are you gonna do about it? And I observed and I said, nothing. And they're like, what do you mean nothing but, but she's doing X, Y, and z. I said, but she'll never succeed. And they said, how are you so sure? And I said, because I see the type of person she is, and I know the consequences that come with certain actions, not because of my opinion, but because of how things work.

[00:32:52] So the best thing I can do is not do anything because she's gonna fall on her own. And that's exactly what happened. So understanding these [00:33:00] fundamental laws changed the way you, you start behaving and acting throughout your life. And sometimes you're gonna, you will know that you'll lead to certain situations that you may not desire, but at least you have the forewarning about it.

[00:33:14] You know, you know it's about to happen. That's,

[00:33:15] Luke Storey: that's a great reminder. Sometimes, um, like many of us, I'm sure it's so frustrating to see people that perpetuate violence and evil that get away with it. Like our government and the parasitic class of baby eating pedophiles, satanist, weirdos. And you just like every, it's all like with the Epstein files, it's like, dude, is someone gonna get arrested?

[00:33:41] Like, we want, you know, we want, um, justice, that's a principle, right? It's a law justice. I mean, it's valid. And I'll find myself getting pissed off as we should if you have a heart in your chest, right? But to your point, it's like they're not actually getting away with it. [00:34:00] I mean, if we can stop them, let's stop them.

[00:34:02] But the idea that they're walking away unscathed after committing it's impossible, those kind of atrocities, like. They're, they're gonna pay on some level. I might not be here to see it in this dimension, but

[00:34:14] Jason Shurka: they may not be here in their form to experience it either. Right. But they're not the body.

[00:34:19] Luke Storey: Right.

[00:34:19] Jason Shurka: And that's what I think like, as a human, I get it. 'cause it's like, what do you mean? Like, we live in this life and we're in this lifetime and this person does something so bad and they're living their entire lives and they pass away like nothing happened. Well, you don't know that nothing happened because there are spiritual ramifications and it's not a punishment, it's just a rebalancing.

[00:34:40] I don't like using the word punishment. I don't believe in punishment because like when they say God is gonna punish you, no.

[00:34:46] Luke Storey: You know, what's a good word for this? Mm-hmm. Consequence with sequence, it's like, it's not cause and effect. It's like if I do something evil, it doesn't cause me to suffer or pay the price for it.

[00:34:58] Suffering and paying the price is just a [00:35:00] consequence. It's just what naturally happens. Yes. After I do that thing. Yep. Right.

[00:35:05] Jason Shurka: Like if you jump off a building that makes sense. Yeah. If you jump off a building, you're gonna hit the floor and die.

[00:35:10] Luke Storey: Right. It's

[00:35:10] Jason Shurka: not a punishment.

[00:35:11] Luke Storey: But the But the building didn't cause me to die.

[00:35:13] Jason Shurka: Exactly.

[00:35:13] Luke Storey: Right. Or even jumping off the building didn't cause me to die. Dying is what happens when 165 pound body hits the cement. Yep. It's, anyway, it's an idea I've been playing with because the idea of cause and effect, as we typically think about it, doesn't really, it doesn't hold water to me. It, it kind of hits this point where you can't explain it.

[00:35:37] Jason Shurka: I see what you're saying,

[00:35:38] Luke Storey: but a consequence, because that's also an illusion, a con, a consequence does though, just thinking about that word like this plus this, plus this, then this other thing comes next.

[00:35:47] Jason Shurka: It just happens

[00:35:48] Luke Storey: now. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, I didn't mean to derail you.

[00:35:50] Jason Shurka: So

[00:35:51] Luke Storey: keep saying things that like spark my,

[00:35:53] Jason Shurka: oh no, these are like

[00:35:53] Luke Storey: spark my

[00:35:54] Jason Shurka: hands.

[00:35:54] By the way, these conversations fill my soul. Like when I leave here today, I'm gonna be like, [00:36:00] me

[00:36:00] Luke Storey: too.

[00:36:00] Jason Shurka: I love, I love this.

[00:36:02] Luke Storey: That's how I keep doing this shit after 650

[00:36:05] Jason Shurka: because it, it opens you, man. It expands you.

[00:36:07] Luke Storey: It's amazing.

[00:36:08] Jason Shurka: Synchronizing

[00:36:09] Luke Storey: with the things I learned sitting here, dude. I mean, I'm a changed man from just all of these brilliant conversations with incredible people like you.

[00:36:16] So, so I digress. I think you were on this idea that no one, no one's getting away with anything, right? That in the spiritual realm

[00:36:25] Jason Shurka: and, and the laws.

[00:36:27] Luke Storey: Yes.

[00:36:27] Jason Shurka: Yeah. Right. So I like living by these laws because they're, they're like, we live in this world. Okay, so there's, you know, this inside and out, there's the physical world and then there's what actually dictates the physical world.

[00:36:43] And I think the biggest mistake that we made in the world today is only dealing with things from the level of the physical plane. And that's kind of dumb. And it's, it's kind of dumb because it would be the equivalent of if you have like a, [00:37:00] a tree, right? And the tree has a poisonous root and. That poison is traveling up the trunk and then branches grow and you start looking at the branches and you're seeing all these deformed branches and diseased branches.

[00:37:16] What we're doing in the world today, um, at least collectively until we make a more positive change, although things are starting to change, we're cutting the branch off and wondering why the branch grows back still deformed because you're dealing with the level from the branch and you have to be dealing with it from the root.

[00:37:35] So what is the root? If the physical or the branch is the root is the spiritual world. And when I say spiritual, I don't mean it in like, you know, the a woo woo way at all. Spirituality is a science. Science that's not studied enough, but it's a science. And the fundamental laws of the universe, like [00:38:00] the law of vibration, you experience what you're in resonance with.

[00:38:04] That's how walkie talkies work. That's how radios work. That's how the military works. That's how I can block you from accessing my channel while I'm talking to someone else. It's all encryption. But that's how it works. It's all energy, frequency and vibration. Yet we see physical things. So we think it's all physical and it's not right.

[00:38:26] And then you have the law of conservation of energy, the law of balance. So that's where karma comes from. Karma's not a bad thing, although they say karma's a bitch, but there's good karma too.

[00:38:36] Luke Storey: Karma's

[00:38:37] Jason Shurka: amazing Karma is this, it's a, it's a self-balancing mechanism that is built into existence. And the deeper, at least I dive into this, number one, the more I realize I don't know anything.

[00:38:54] And number two, the more I'm okay with certainty. And number three, the more I realize that [00:39:00] while none of this is real, I'm living in a reality where I experience it as real. And for that reason, we shouldn't neglect it.

[00:39:09] Luke Storey: Yeah. Well said.

[00:39:10] Jason Shurka: You know, I know a lot of people in the spiritual community time's an illusion, death's an illusions, so they don't take care of their bodies, but they meditate all day.

[00:39:17] What are you doing? Your body is a vessel,

[00:39:20] Luke Storey: and

[00:39:20] Jason Shurka: that vessel is

[00:39:21] Luke Storey: important. It's, it's like the, the non-dual negation of the purpose of having a dual experience. You know what I mean? I've gone through phases of this, right, where I realized like, wait, there's no separation. Like our, our belief in separation is like the root of all of our problems becomes the root, right?

[00:39:44] So it's like, okay, cool. You can get to a point where you realize, ah, especially if you do DMT or something, you go, oh, okay, yeah, this world is. Totally not all. There is right there. There is this expanse of consciousness that people call the quantum field or the unified field, [00:40:00] which is real and the origin of everything that we experience in this reality.

[00:40:03] But that doesn't mean that this reality doesn't have value just because it's a projection or a simulation. Then why are we here? What am I doing here? Why am I in a body? That's helped me a lot because sometimes I get kind of nihilistic about it. I'm just like, God, what am I doing in this like slave planet run by pedophiles?

[00:40:21] Like, what the fuck? I want to go be with God. You know

[00:40:26] Jason Shurka: what I mean? I actually, I've been there,

[00:40:27] Luke Storey: but there's a purpose of, of purpose. This seemingly concrete 3D dualistic

[00:40:33] Jason Shurka: experience. Did you not cool this places? Like, think about it. We're able to do something that you're not able to do in the spiritual realms.

[00:40:42] We're able to have a body. That's unusual. That's not a normal thing. That doesn't happen all the time. There's a lot of Sure. While you, if everything works in balance, so you, you know, with love and hate, although everything comes from love, but when everything [00:41:00] works in balance, at least in the world of duality, the world that me and you were talking about on the other side is the world of singularity.

[00:41:07] The world over here is the illusion of duality. The best combination of both is being able, in my opinion, is being able to understand the wor do your best to understand and connect to the world of singularity while enjoying the world of duality. And what I mean by that is no different than if you see a magician pull a rabbit out of the hat.

[00:41:30] It's really cool to see, but you know that it's an illusion and yet you can still enjoy it. And I think that's the art

[00:41:38] Luke Storey: of

[00:41:38] Jason Shurka: being what's

[00:41:38] up

[00:41:38] Luke Storey: human being's? What's, bingo? That's it. Have a good time. And that yeah, thanks for the reminder too, that there, there are experiences that you can have that require being in a body.

[00:41:54] Holding a baby, playing in a waterfall, you know, I mean, there's,

[00:41:58] Jason Shurka: it's cool.

[00:41:59] Luke Storey: So many [00:42:00] cool things you can do here, um, while you're in a body in the physical realm that you can't experience without that, you know, it's, it's a good reminder. I try to remind myself that sometimes. Yeah, that's good. But I think, I think you really just nailed it.

[00:42:13] I mean, that's, at least from where I'm sitting at life right now, that that seems to be on target, right? Is the acknowledgement that ultimately there is only one thing. We just call it consciousness, right? But if we negate this experience within consciousness, we're missing out on the whole point. Yeah. So it's like, how do you walk that, that line?

[00:42:39] And, and also, the more that I've been able to do that, the less seriously I take my life myself, my problems, the World War. You know? It's like, it's not that. It's not that I lose empathy or compassion or love or caring, it's just I'm not, I'm just much less [00:43:00] attached

[00:43:00] Jason Shurka: Yep.

[00:43:01] Luke Storey: To this world, you know?

[00:43:02] Jason Shurka: And, and that doesn't justify horrible actions either.

[00:43:05] It's like they're, look, take karma, right? If in a past life you were an abuser of a child, maybe this life you have to experience being abused. That as a punishment to rebalance the experience. But here's the interesting part. If you have to be the one to experience the abuse and that's your karma, then my question is then is your abuser in this life creating new karma or is there, I don't understand that.

[00:43:36] You know what I mean? That's

[00:43:37] Luke Storey: understand,

[00:43:37] Jason Shurka: right? I can understand it from, from just one perspective of, okay, you, you, you were really rich in your past life and you never helped anybody and you never donated, so now you're gonna come back really poor. Not as a punishment, but the experience, the experience of the individual who needed it and never got any help.

[00:43:53] Well, back to the take, child trafficking is the [00:44:00] abuser in this life. On the other side of the equation, creating a new karma. 'cause I don't see how you could rebalance karma by being the abuser. So I don't know. You know, I have no idea. But here's the thing, we don't have to know.

[00:44:14] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:44:14] Jason Shurka: You know, we, we, we need to do our best to make our surroundings as positive as possible.

[00:44:22] One rule that I love, whenever you get to a place, if you can leave it cleaner than when you got there, it's like one of the golden rules. 'cause if everybody did that

[00:44:34] Luke Storey: first rule of camping Yeah,

[00:44:36] Jason Shurka: yeah, yeah, yeah. If everybody did that, imagine

[00:44:38] Luke Storey: leave a cat site better than how you found it. I think it's a Boy Scout thing, you know?

[00:44:41] Jason Shurka: Yeah. But really imagine everybody did just one little thing.

[00:44:45] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:44:46] Jason Shurka: It would change everything. So. I, I go in and out of the pissed off when I see the Epstein files to life is beautiful and all that's nonsense. And it's not nonsense because it's real and people are getting hurt. Yeah. [00:45:00] And I think there, there's this balance that we're always gonna keep refining and finding and so on and so forth of when is the right time to live and enjoy and just focus on like be oblivious to certain things in the world for a period of time.

[00:45:16] When is the time to fight and go full force and do what we gotta do? What is the balance between all of that? I think everybody has a different balance. I think what your balance is, my balance may be different because we have different E like electrical signatures, sole signatures, we're all here for a different purpose and yet part of the same exact puzzle, the same one big puzzle.

[00:45:38] And it's all so grand and so insane that you really can't come to any conclusion 'cause there is no conclusion. 'cause it's everlasting. And it always was. Always is and always will be. So sometimes I'm just like, you know, I'm gonna let whatever needs to happen happen because I'm not in control of that.[00:46:00]

[00:46:00] I'm gonna do what I am in control of to make this world and the people that I meet have the most positive experience possible. And I'll do my best to first and foremost, not in a selfish way, but the exact opposite. Take care of myself so I can then show up for others and. Do my best to enjoy. 'cause like life is short, man.

[00:46:19] You don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow for all you know, God forbid you can walk in the street, a car hits, you're gone. Enjoy every second you have. That's what the passing of my father showed me. Enjoy. The guy worked his butt off, 62 years old about to retire, made all his money, did everything he needed to do about, start traveling with my mom and boom, it's over.

[00:46:39] You gotta enjoy every second you have.

[00:46:43] Luke Storey: I think about that when I'm tempted to, uh, argue with internet trolls. I mean, which I don't, I I just, it's a rule I have for myself. Yeah. It's a law. It's a principle. It's just like I don't argue.

[00:46:56] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[00:46:56] Luke Storey: I mean, just with anyone, I just don't argue period. Right. [00:47:00] Um, but if I'm tempted, I think, man, I remember when my, I watched my dad die in the hospital too, and it's like, you know, when you're at that point of exit, I mean, he was in a coma, so I didn't get to be like, do you have any regrets?

[00:47:15] You know, but I doubt anyone in their final moments is like, I should have tried to proven other people wrong more on the internet that I don't even know and I'll never meet. Right. It's like things really do get brought into perspective by, by those kind of experiences.

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[00:49:03] I'm going back to what you're saying about the, the karma and, you know, being abused.

[00:49:08] I was writing about this actually recently, um, because I was abused when I was a little kid. And so I was writing about forgiveness and just the process throughout my life of, of trying to reconcile forgiveness, but also acknowledging what was done. And, you know, it's, it gets complex psychologically, right?

[00:49:25] But one of the things that I found really helpful that might be useful to people listening was it exactly around what you were, um, describing, is this is like, it's really, I probably wrote it in a much better way. So just read my book when it comes out later this year, folks. Um, 'cause you don't wanna sound like you're victim shaming yourself or other people, right?

[00:49:49] And it's like when something happens when you're really young, you're totally innocent. I mean, from, you know, I don't know past that age, what I was around six, [00:50:00] anything bad that's ever happened to me was, I mean, almost all of it was my own doing in one way or another through my own selfishness or ignorance or whatever, got myself into situations where people hurt me.

[00:50:11] But looking back on that, it's like literally there's, I did nothing to contribute to that happening, right? I was truly innocent. So then I started looking deeper into it from the karmic lens and found a lot of resolution because my worldview allows for the idea that. I did something super fucked up at some point.

[00:50:32] Right. And so that was my opportunity to undo that. And as you said, I liked the way you said to kind of balance the scales. Right? Not that I would prefer that that happened to me. It was terrible. I mean, it really marked my life in really profound and terrible ways, um, which I've of course, transmuted into as beauty as best I can, but there is a lot of freedom, I think, in the, what can be a trap of like permanent or [00:51:00] perpetual victimhood.

[00:51:01] Mm-hmm. You know, and not being able to forgive someone, uh, in that capacity. You know, I don't, I'm still working on how deep that forgiveness can go, but I think that's a really useful tool is to kind of zoom out when something bad happens to you. Right. To see like, hmm, there's a lot more in history that I don't understand or have knowledge of.

[00:51:23] So maybe in some way this situation is not only something that I can use for growth and to move myself forward, but I might actually have like paid off a debt and I can kind of wipe my hands of that debt and not have to keep living it if I can take the lesson and move forward with it and not become a perpetrator myself as a result of being perpetrated upon.

[00:51:45] Right. I mean, there's gotta be like a, a turning point where like you stop that cycle of whatever it is, any kind of negative behavior. What do you think about that as a, as a concept?

[00:51:55] Jason Shurka: Yeah, I think. It brings me right back to the laws. One of the laws is, [00:52:00] I don't think I made up this name, but I use this name all the time, the law of oneness.

[00:52:04] And basically it states that everything is interconnected to everything else. So analogy, the ocean. The ocean has what we perceive as waves, but that's bullshit because the wave is not separate from the ocean and yet you perceive it to be its own individual wave because you could see this individuated part of the ocean.

[00:52:32] But we all know that before the wave was a wave, it was calm water and then energy went through it. And when energy moves through the medium of water, it causes the water to move to create a wave. And then eventually the energy dissipates and it comes right back down. So we see all these waves in the ocean.

[00:52:52] They're not individual waves, they're all part of the ocean. Me and you are individual waves that are part of the ocean [00:53:00] and we are formed and we will be deformed or unformed at some point. Not deformed, but unformed at some point point. Let's hope not so called, you know, birth and death. Mm-hmm. And it's coming out of and returning back to the same place.

[00:53:16] So I bring that up because when you think about that enough, and this is what I did on that when I. A few years ago when I did that fast, it would bring up all these like remembrances. It wasn't even something I, I wasn't taught this. It was, and nobody needs to be taught this. It's in all of us. You just need to be quiet and silent and still in us still enough to be able to be like, you know, have this idea that comes outta nowhere.

[00:53:43] It's, you're tapping into that, call it the IC records. Call it what you want, but this, this knowingness that always was, is and will be. And what it shows me is that, okay, well if everything is won, [00:54:00] then just like I wouldn't take a hammer and break my own leg in my one body, then why would oneness do anything to hurt itself?

[00:54:09] Why would source do anything to hurt itself? And therefore from that perspective, and this may be I say, difficult to understand for, for a lot of people that I've shared this with on podcasts in the past. 'cause they're like, what do you mean what about all the bad things in life? What I'm really saying here is there is no such thing as bad.

[00:54:29] There's such thing as uncomfortable, there's such thing as things we don't desire. And yes, on the surface there's such things as things that we call horrible things like rape and murder and molestation. And those are bad things in in, they're just bad. And at the same time, there is this order that we just don't understand that must be connected to the law of oneness.

[00:54:58] And I don't know what to make of this, [00:55:00] but what I do know is that source would never do anything to hurt itself. Now come to your own conclusions on your own personal experiences, right? Why was this child raped? Why was this person murdered? I don't know. I don't have those answers. But there's one thing that I know for a fact because it's a law source would never do anything to hurt itself.

[00:55:21] And we are always growing. And by the way, growth usually comes from the situations that we call bad. So I don't know what to make of that. I'm just following the laws and using it as a way to help me get through certain things along the way and ask the right questions. Why did my father die the way that he did?

[00:55:43] What were the silver linings that came out of it? That's what we need to focus on because when you look for beauty, you'll find beauty. And if you look for ugly, you'll find ugly. And me and you can be looking at the same picture. And if I'm looking for the blue and you're looking for the yellow, I will only see [00:56:00] the blue and you will only see the yellow.

[00:56:02] So we're running on this program, all of us. And some of us are running on the program of beauty. Some of us are running on the program of everything's bad. Some of us are running on the program of I'll never find my significant other. Some of us are running on the program of I will always be blessed and I will always figure out a way.

[00:56:24] And some of us are running on the program of, I just don't know how to handle money. And that's on us now. Yeah. Maybe your parents instilled that within you when you were growing up and you think that it's just the way it is, but there is no, just the way it is. It's just the way you were programmed. So when I got to like, I think 20 years old, and I was reading, I forgot which book, but one of the books, I think it was The Power of Now if I'm not mistaken actually, and it spoke about gatekeeping your subconscious.

[00:56:57] And one of the things that I learned from there [00:57:00] was ask yourself, is it true? So next time you have this thought, that's just the thought that you always have. Like, I'm not good enough or you know, I I I'll never be able to x or Y or whatever it is. Is it true? Because the answer is it's bullshit. It's not true.

[00:57:16] None of that's true. You could make it true if you choose to, but if you're already gonna make something true, why are you making something bad? True. Why are you making something you don't want to be True. True. You're the one that decides. So are you not good enough? I don't know. You tell me, but why would you want that to be true and.

[00:57:33] If that's not true, then the second you re-ask yourself that question and it's, this is how you can like break limits and boundaries, you start asking yourself a question again when you're no longer a kid that just had an imposed upon you and now you're an adult that can do things a little bit more consciously and you can let go of the things that are garbage and double down on the things that are good.

[00:57:55] But one word of advice to everybody watching double down on the things [00:58:00] that people call you crazy for, thinking you can do. I do that all the time. You know how many people told me with multiple things I did in my life, Jason, that's not possible. You're naive, you're oblivious. It's just impossible. It hasn't been done before.

[00:58:13] I'm like, that's cool. I'm gonna do it.

[00:58:15] Luke Storey: Thanks for sharing.

[00:58:16] Jason Shurka: Yeah, I appreciate it

[00:58:18] Luke Storey: on that, uh, you know, on the metaphor of one body of water appearing like different waves mm-hmm. And, and us all being essentially one thing. I think that, that, that way of looking at karma is really useful in that I think a lot of people think about the idea of karma as if I do something, uh, say.

[00:58:47] If I do something wrong right now, then, you know, down the road in 20 years, that same thing could happen to me. Right? It's like that. Or if I, you know, hold, hold the door open for someone or walk the little lady across the street, then [00:59:00] someday someone's gonna do that for me. But from the lens that you were just, um, looking at this idea that there's only one thing, do you think that, I mean, I'm kind of looking for a confirmation here.

[00:59:14] This is what I, I believe at this particular point, is that like, karma is not, it's nonlinear and it, it doesn't exist in time in the way we think it is. So say like, right now I notice, you know, you drop a hundred dollars bill off your chair, and I'm like, oh, he didn't notice. And I take it and I don't say anything to you.

[00:59:33] It's not like someone's gonna take a hundred dollars bill from me down the road. Like, I already paid the price the moment I did the thing, because there's no time and there's no separation. So I'm actually stealing that a hundred dollars from myself right now because I am you, you know, it's like you can't actually get ahead.

[00:59:52] The way people that are unconscious and selfish and evil think you can. Right? It's like whatever you're doing, you're instantaneously doing to [01:00:00] yourself in that moment. So if I were to punch you in the face, you might feel the brunt of it, but I'm, I'm hurting myself at the very same time. Do you subscribe to that or does that make sense to you?

[01:00:11] Jason Shurka: Yes, but I wanna elaborate.

[01:00:12] Luke Storey: Okay. Please do. So

[01:00:13] Jason Shurka: let's talk about time.

[01:00:14] Luke Storey: This is the kind of shit I think, you know, think about when I'm laying in bed at night or when I'm meditating. These are the kind of ideas that kind of like swirl around. I go, oh, I wanna wrestle this into something that I can communicate to people that might be helpful to them as it has been for me.

[01:00:27] Jason Shurka: So I'll, I'll give you a, a, a crazy thought that you may or may not have thought of before, but what I'm about to share is one of my favorite topics to speak about. 'cause it's honestly the craziest thing in the world. Like, like literally. So time. What is it? How would you define time?

[01:00:47] Luke Storey: I would define time as it's defined by where our focus of attention is at any given moment.

[01:00:59] So [01:01:00] I could call this moment 4:45 PM 'cause that's what I'm looking at, but it doesn't exist in the sense that. There's only one infinite moment, and I just call this moment now, or I call this moment time, right? But it's just, it's one big expanse that can't even be defined. But time is like the thing I pay attention to right in this moment.

[01:01:24] But then it's already gone because it wasn't real.

[01:01:28] Jason Shurka: So

[01:01:29] Luke Storey: it's probably made like zero sense to 99% of the people listening. But

[01:01:33] Jason Shurka: no, no,

[01:01:33] Luke Storey: no, I don't, I don't think there actually is time.

[01:01:35] Jason Shurka: Well, there is a

[01:01:36] Luke Storey: time because I've been in spaces where the idea of time is so irrelevant. I mean, like when you dream, right?

[01:01:45] It's like what time is it When you dream, there's no fucking time When you dream, our dream's not real. Who's experiencing the dream? Then

[01:01:53] Jason Shurka: I

[01:01:53] Luke Storey: wanna, some part of us is, and it's outside of time. 'cause you can have, like, you can have a dream that probably in this [01:02:00] reality is 30 seconds or one minute.

[01:02:02] Jason Shurka: Yep.

[01:02:02] Luke Storey: But it was days and days of experiences within the dream,

[01:02:06] Jason Shurka: which is also insane.

[01:02:08] So time, I, I, I bring this topic up,

[01:02:11] Luke Storey: I'm

[01:02:12] Jason Shurka: here

[01:02:12] Luke Storey: for it.

[01:02:12] Jason Shurka: I love it. First of all, it's like, bear with me on this.

[01:02:16] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:02:16] Jason Shurka: Because it's like, it's insane when you, and even like, you'll understand it, but don't stop there, like keep going. 'cause whatever you think you understand, every time I even speak about this or talk about it, I get more out of it.

[01:02:33] It's like watching a movie the second time or the third time. So time. Literally speaking, you were speaking about time as like 4 45 or four 50. That's not time. That's how you measure time. Mm.

[01:02:45] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm.

[01:02:45] Jason Shurka: So if that's how you measure time, then what is time? Time is the movement of light from point A to point B.

[01:02:55] Luke Storey: Wow. Cool.

[01:02:57] Jason Shurka: Okay. And I'll prove it to you. Have you ever heard of the term one [01:03:00] light year?

[01:03:01] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm.

[01:03:01] Jason Shurka: Or a light year?

[01:03:02] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm.

[01:03:03] Jason Shurka: And the speed of light?

[01:03:04] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm.

[01:03:04] Jason Shurka: Okay. So the speed of light is about 186,000 miles per second. That's around, doesn't matter, but seven times around planet Earth's circumference every single second, 186,000 miles per second, very, very fast.

[01:03:20] That means that if the speed of light, which it is, is 186,000 miles per second, and I am standing 186,000 miles away from you, and I turn on a light bulb, how long will it take for you to see it? Turn on

[01:03:35] Luke Storey: that long.

[01:03:37] Jason Shurka: One second.

[01:03:38] Luke Storey: Oh, wait, what?

[01:03:39] Jason Shurka: So I'll say it again. This is why I say bear with me.

[01:03:41] Luke Storey: Oh, wait. Bear

[01:03:42] Jason Shurka: if, if me and you are currently 186,000 miles away from each other

[01:03:48] Luke Storey: mm-hmm.

[01:03:48] Jason Shurka: And the speed of light travels and 186,000 miles per second, then if I turn a light on and you're [01:04:00] 186,000 miles away from me,

[01:04:01] Luke Storey: one second,

[01:04:01] Jason Shurka: you'll see the light turn on. One second after it actually turned off.

[01:04:06] Luke Storey: Huh?

[01:04:07] Jason Shurka: Okay.

[01:04:08] Luke Storey: Wow.

[01:04:08] Jason Shurka: So if you go to the standard model of the solar system in space, doesn't matter if you do or you don't, which I don't, it's just, that's fine.

[01:04:16] It's just I got it. Based on the expression.

[01:04:18] Luke Storey: I I love that one way before viruses even.

[01:04:21] Jason Shurka: So let's just assume that to be true for the purpose of the conversation so I can explain how time works.

[01:04:27] Luke Storey: Sure. I, I appreciate that.

[01:04:28] Jason Shurka: So

[01:04:28] Luke Storey: oftentimes people will be like all around the globe and I'm sitting here like, don't, don't even bother.

[01:04:33] Jason Shurka: So, so according to the standard model, they say the sun is 93 million miles away. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. 93 million miles at the speed of light, 186,000 miles per second is eight minutes away. So if the sun were to explode right now, everything would be normal for the next eight minutes, even though there is no sun.[01:05:00]

[01:05:00] The closest star to our planet, according to the model, other than the sun is four light years away, pay attention. Lightyear is a distance, and yet it's also used as a time,

[01:05:24] one light year. What? That was a light year. It's 5 trillion miles away from you because light at the speed of light. 186,000 miles per second. If you took the amount of seconds in a year and multiplied it by 186,000, you're gonna get about 5 trillion. So one light year away from you is really 5 trillion miles away from you.

[01:05:53] Now here's the cool part. This is the crazy part. When you are looking up [01:06:00] tonight at the night Sky, assuming the model that we're talking about, you are looking into the past and I'll, I'll tell you why. This is the hard part to wrap your head around, because if the closest star is four light years away, that means that because every star is at a different distance.

[01:06:18] But let's assume every star in the night sky was 10 light years away. Let's just assume that if every star that you saw tonight is 10 light years away, the light takes 10 years to reach you. So the light that you're seeing from this vantage point on Earth is 10 years old. So if five years ago all of those stars exploded, you would still see them.

[01:06:46] Right now you're looking in the past. Now, the opposite is true as well. If you are standing 3000 light years away. How can you go into the past and [01:07:00] observe if history is true? I'll tell you exactly how to do it. I just don't have the technology to do it. But how you do it is quite simple. In the mechanism, if you are standing 3000 light years away from Earth and you take a big telescope and you look at Earth and you zoom into Egypt, you will see Egypt 3000 years ago because the light of that experience is 3000 light years away from here.

[01:07:27] And if I can teleport you theoretically 3000 light years away right now, you will receive the light of that experience. It's the reason why I bring that up is because time is only a measurement of the movement of light from point A to point B. And what that means is they say time is relative. They used to say time is absolute.

[01:07:52] Then Einstein came and proved time is relative. That's what I'm sharing right now, that it's relative to the point that you're at. And so [01:08:00] long as you're at a specific point, well, if I'm on earth looking at a star 3000 light years away, I am looking at the past and vice versa. If I'm on the star looking at Earth, I am looking at earth's past the past and the future is all relative to the point that you're at.

[01:08:25] Between point A and point B. Yeah. That's all that's going on.

[01:08:28] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:08:29] Jason Shurka: And at the same time, and this is the punchline, when you remove all points, 'cause those don't exist either. When you remove all points, it's all happening simultaneously.

[01:08:41] Luke Storey: Yes, that's what I was trying to articulate.

[01:08:43] Jason Shurka: Yes. But that's the science behind it.

[01:08:45] Luke Storey: That's fucking,

[01:08:46] Jason Shurka: when you

[01:08:47] Luke Storey: remove Epic, I've never heard it explained that way. That makes perfect sense.

[01:08:50] Jason Shurka: It's, it's really insane.

[01:08:52] Luke Storey: So I need a whiteboard to do this, but that's what I was trying to, trying to articulate when you ask me, like how I define time. [01:09:00] So imagine, okay, um, uh, a horizontal line going across here, right?

[01:09:06] And if you said, where is now? I'd be like, it's right here on this point, on the line. Right. So I could say, well there, there is this moment right here, there is this now. But if I, if I was to focus unilaterally, there would be no time. 'cause there'd be no point of focus. Exactly. It just,

[01:09:28] Jason Shurka: it's

[01:09:28] Luke Storey: one eternal moment.

[01:09:30] Jason Shurka: So I call it fixed point consciousness. Have you ever looked at a train moving by? If you look at somebody looking at a train as it's moving, you're gonna see their eyes go like this. You know why? Because we're hardwired to focus on a point. That's how we're built as human beings,

[01:09:46] Luke Storey: right?

[01:09:47] Jason Shurka: You can't look at something moving and have your eyes fixed on a point that doesn't exist.

[01:09:53] You need to fix. Fixate onto a point. So I call it in my first book, informing the formless, I [01:10:00] called it fixed point consciousness. It's how we're hardwired physically, but we can expand beyond that. So the point is, is this is what I mean of like living in the world, but also being outside of it at the same time.

[01:10:13] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:10:14] Jason Shurka: Living in duality, but understanding singularity. So you're understand it from the perspective of consciousness and awareness, but you're living in the reality of duality. It's a really cool way to live. It's a really cool way to live. Yeah. But with that, with that fixed point consciousness, you're a hundred percent right.

[01:10:31] When you remove those points that are completely arbitrary, like World War ii, when did it begin? We have a date in our history books, but why is, why did it begin on that date? 1930, whatever it is. Why didn't it begin? Take Hitler? Maybe why? Why didn't it begin when he was born? Who decided the beginning and the end of an occurrence?

[01:10:58] We did. We made it up. [01:11:00] The fact is exactly what you're saying. It is one continuum is that we break up into fixed points to be able to have practical understandings and conversations about it. But it's an illusion. The problem is we believe the illusion and we forgot that it's an illusion. So we think it's real.

[01:11:18] The problem is, is we've gone from understanding that the magician is not. Doing magic. He's pulling a rabbit out of a hat with a mechanism. It's an illusion. And we've become the toddlers that believe that the magician is doing magic. It's not magic. There's a mechanism. Same thing in the world today. We, we, we have forgotten the very things that we created arbitrarily for practicality.

[01:11:48] And we now believe them to be real. And that's really weird 'cause it made a world, weird world.

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[01:13:22] Again, hit up buy optimizers.com/luke to your definition of, uh, time being, you know, the, the time it takes from light to travel from point A to point B. Mm-hmm. Got me thinking about. Imagine the sun was stationary. Right. And it just was always eliminated. It's always at solar noon, let's say, right there, there would be no, there would be no seconds.

[01:13:53] There'd be no minutes. There'd be no hours. There'd be no days, weeks, months, years. There'd be no way to measure it because it doesn't move. [01:14:00] Right. And so you would just be, you would just be lost.

[01:14:04] Jason Shurka: It would just be,

[01:14:05] Luke Storey: yeah, you just, what would we be doing? I'll meet you at three. What's that? You know, I think there's a meme about like, you know, a settler, um, colonizer landing on a, on a native shore.

[01:14:17] Right. And he is like, oh, meet me at three o'clock. And the native is like, what's that? You know what I mean?

[01:14:22] Jason Shurka: You know, time zones were created when railroads were created.

[01:14:25] Luke Storey: Really?

[01:14:26] Jason Shurka: Mm-hmm. They created them to have a point of reference, because it could be day by you and night by me. You need time zones. So based on the model, they took what they said as a globe.

[01:14:42] They broke it up into 15 degrees times X amount, which comes to 360. And that's how they created time zones.

[01:14:48] Luke Storey: Oh man.

[01:14:49] Jason Shurka: Time zones is, it's, it's, oh, it's 15 times 24 because every 15 degrees is an hour. And that's literally how they did it.

[01:14:57] Luke Storey: Wow.

[01:14:58] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[01:14:59] Luke Storey: I am of the [01:15:00] mind that, speaking of time zones, that time changes.

[01:15:05] A nefarious plot to throw us out of our natural rhythm. Do do you see any, any logical explanation for why we need daylight savings time?

[01:15:17] Jason Shurka: Well, their official reason, not that I buy it, I think I like Arizona 'cause they don't do it, but, which is I think the only state in the United States that doesn't do it.

[01:15:26] They're just like, no. Like we're just gonna, we're just gonna stay here and you guys can do whatever you want. It gets really confusing 'cause then you don't know what time it is when you're going between Utah and Arizona. It happened to me where I was on Lake Powell. That's funny. On a jet ski and they're like, bring it back at this time.

[01:15:40] And I keep going over the border between Arizona and Utah. I don't know what time it is. So I just gave up and I, I gave it back an hour a by accident.

[01:15:47] Luke Storey: Funny.

[01:15:49] Jason Shurka: But, um, the official reason is to save energy and electricity. I don't know, it's weird. This whole thing is weird.

[01:15:59] Luke Storey: And now they're [01:16:00] building all these AI data centers that use up tremendous amounts of energy and there's no problem with that.

[01:16:07] Yeah. Think they

[01:16:07] Jason Shurka: want everybody to go green.

[01:16:08] Luke Storey: I think I resent the, um, you know, the premise of daylight savings because it really throws me off. Like it's, I, it takes like, I'm just getting my circadian rhythm dialed in. Right? Boom. And then it's like, oh boom, the clock changes. Boom. And then it's like, I have to do all this work to kind of restructure my, the way I planned my days and nights to get back in sync with the sunrise and the sunset.

[01:16:29] Mm-hmm. I'm like, God, you bastards. That's what's cool if you go somewhere near the equator and you have longer, longer days. Right. And it's like the, the sunrise. That's

[01:16:38] Jason Shurka: where I think we were meant to live

[01:16:38] Luke Storey: that way. Sunrise and sunset is like at the same time every day. Mm-hmm. And you don't, we don't know that until you go there and you're like, wait, what?

[01:16:44] It's always the same. It's amazing.

[01:16:47] Jason Shurka: I feel that, and I base this off of logic, not research, but I think that we were meant to live closer to the equator.

[01:16:57] Luke Storey: 100%. '

[01:16:57] Jason Shurka: cause I mean, think about it, if you lived, especially

[01:16:59] Luke Storey: if you're darker [01:17:00] skinned.

[01:17:00] Jason Shurka: Yeah. And if you lived, you know, 3000 years ago, or even a few hundred years ago, why would you live in a place where you have seasons?

[01:17:09] Why it doesn't make sense.

[01:17:10] Luke Storey: Seasons are whack.

[01:17:11] Jason Shurka: It's no, because then you need to keep, like, wouldn't it be easier if you were just stable year round?

[01:17:18] Luke Storey: Uh, yeah. Some people like seasons and I respect that. I, I don't, maybe it's the California, to me, we just, we just had a freeze here. I'm still pissed off. Some of our plants are dead.

[01:17:28] Yeah. And we've, we hired some gardeners to come cover 'em up and everything. You know, I'm just, I remember when it was happening, even before I saw the dead plants, which I, I'm really, you know, I take pride in them. In the foliage of the property. Uh, it's like, I'm gonna be a great old man. You know, that's like out tinkering with his plants.

[01:17:45] Like, I love that shit. And, um, when that was happening, I'm just like, oh, we gotta leave Texas. This sucks. Fuck this place. Like I'm not, I don't wanna live anywhere where it ever freezes. Why would anyone do that? I was getting so annoyed, you know? I'm like, okay, I have to back to [01:18:00] perspective. I go, well, there's a lot of great things about here.

[01:18:02] But it's funny, I, um, speaking of the equator yesterday, I'm always trying to catch Solar Noon. I have this app on my phone so I can go like, get naked in the backyard, soak up as much sun. So I always have an alarm when it's solar noon, so I can go out there and I asked, um, chat GPTI was like, what's the UV index?

[01:18:17] It's like five of course Chap, GPT because it's so illuminati driven is like, don't get skin cancer. I'm like, no, that's, I'm out here to get maximum uv. I have to reiterate, re restate my purpose here. I actually want to burn. Okay, now not burn. You know,

[01:18:33] Jason Shurka: you know what's funny about that though?

[01:18:35] Luke Storey: What?

[01:18:35] Jason Shurka: The equator with their whole skin cancer in the sun.

[01:18:38] If that were true, then skin cancer rates would be higher nearest to the equator. Oh yeah. And yet it's the exact opposite.

[01:18:44] Luke Storey: Yeah. And where, where's its highest, uh, shift workers. That never get sun. Uh, but anyway, I'm on chat GPT and I'm like, five is that good? So I, I said, what is it in Costa Rica right now?

[01:18:55] And it's, or El Salvador. And it was like, oh, it's always like 11 or [01:19:00] 12 or whatever, the maximum. I was like, damn it. We need to find a way to stay there more. You

[01:19:05] Jason Shurka: know, you look at all the ancient civilizations, Egypt, the Mayans, they were all near the equator. It also makes more sense. It's easier to live there.

[01:19:13] You don't need to, you'll still have animals and hunting, but it's less, you have trees. You don't have to chase anything. You Yeah. You know, you just pull it off, go pick

[01:19:21] Luke Storey: some goddamn mangoes.

[01:19:22] Jason Shurka: It's much easier.

[01:19:23] Luke Storey: Call it a day.

[01:19:24] Jason Shurka: Yeah. Yeah. It's just much easier.

[01:19:25] Luke Storey: Yeah. I feel better in tropical places. Know,

[01:19:28] Jason Shurka: and I'm also brown.

[01:19:29] Yeah. I come from the Middle East, so.

[01:19:31] Yeah.

[01:19:31] Luke Storey: Yeah. It makes

[01:19:31] Jason Shurka: sense.

[01:19:32] Luke Storey: Yeah. Neat sun. Dude, I wanna talk about people watching the video for like, uh, what is this ma What, what is the matrix box in front of you? I, we definitely have to get into that. Um, there was something else. What was it? Oh yeah. Okay.

[01:19:46] Reincarnation.

[01:19:47] Jason Shurka: Mm-hmm.

[01:19:48] Luke Storey: I'm sorry, this is not a really an interview. I just feel like No,

[01:19:51] Jason Shurka: no,

[01:19:51] Luke Storey: this is good. You're someone I just like to shoot the shit with. Yeah,

[01:19:53] Jason Shurka: yeah, yeah.

[01:19:54] Luke Storey: Bounce ideas off. Um, you've really like, opened me up to some really great perspectives. [01:20:00] But one thing I think about is the, um, the reincarnation issue, right?

[01:20:04] It's 'cause like you, I just, I've seen that death is a fallacy. It literally doesn't exist. Um. That said, I wanna stay here as long as I'm meant to stay here and all that. But like, I'm not so worried that this is the end, you know? But with reincarnation thing that trips me out, if you tie that to the way that we were just describing time, if you think about past lives, it's

[01:20:31] Jason Shurka: parallel.

[01:20:32] Luke Storey: There are other lives that're going on right now. It's not like, oh, I was a minor back in 1752.

[01:20:40] Jason Shurka: You were in your experience of time.

[01:20:42] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:20:42] Jason Shurka: Yeah. But that 1752 exists, 200 light years away from you now.

[01:20:46] Luke Storey: Yes. And it's happening right now.

[01:20:48] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[01:20:48] Luke Storey: In a sense. Does that

[01:20:50] Jason Shurka: No, no. It is.

[01:20:51] Luke Storey: So it's like

[01:20:51] Jason Shurka: 15 trillion miles away.

[01:20:53] Luke Storey: Got it.

[01:20:54] Jason Shurka: Like literally like like nine 11, September [01:21:00] 11th, 2001 at 8:46 AM Maybe this is a bad example 'cause I don't think that that story's true, but that's all other conversation. That experience. Every second goes 186,000 miles away from Earth in its form, in its light form. The only thing you won't be able to do is hear it.

[01:21:21] You know why? Because sound goes at a different speed than light. And that's why when it's lightning outside, you hear the thunder. After you see the lightning.

[01:21:34] Luke Storey: Oh, wild.

[01:21:35] Jason Shurka: And there's actually an equation loosely for every second that let's say you see the lightning and you don't hear the thunder. Sometimes you hear it two seconds later, five seconds later, one second later, 10 seconds later, the, the further out you hear it, the further it is away from you because that's the sound, the sound travels at, uh, 767 miles [01:22:00] per hour.

[01:22:01] That's why, uh, an F 16 can break the sound barrier. They break that, it's around 760 miles per hour and boom, you see that big circle breaking the, doing the sonic boom. So my point is, is our experience that we're having right now, whatever time it is in 10 minutes from now will be however many seconds are in 10 minutes times 186,000 miles away from us.

[01:22:30] Like, it's weird, but that's, that's what's going on.

[01:22:33] Luke Storey: So, cool.

[01:22:33] Jason Shurka: So that means that, that if you had a past life in, uh, you were in, uh, 1956, which is 70 years before now, on this exact day, you're good

[01:22:48] Luke Storey: at math.

[01:22:48] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[01:22:49] Luke Storey: I would like to have to get on my phone to figure.

[01:22:51] Jason Shurka: So 1956 on this exact day in February at this exact time exists 70 light years away.[01:23:00]

[01:23:00] And it is every second going another 186,000 miles away. That's how time works. So the past life is past from your point of view here, but it's parallel from the point of view when you take out all points of view.

[01:23:16] Luke Storey: Right, right.

[01:23:17] Jason Shurka: Because it's just somewhere else, which, when there are no points to travel between, there's no such thing as here and there.

[01:23:25] It's just here. So the word nowhere is now here, the word nothing is no thing. It's not one thing, it's everything. It's just cool little things along the way, but it's all happening right now.

[01:23:38] Luke Storey: That's so cool. I've, uh, had some experience around that. It's funny, dude. It's so weird. So many of the things we're talking about today are things I'm writing about right now.

[01:23:52] I mean, this conversation is like, I could show you downstairs, like, yeah, here's the page. We're, that's the thing we just talked about. But what I was [01:24:00] literally writing right before you showed up was around, um, the, this idea of the inner child, right?

[01:24:06] Jason Shurka: Mm-hmm.

[01:24:07] Luke Storey: Which I remember hearing in the eighties and I was like, oh God, some fluffy therapy shit.

[01:24:11] You know, I just, whatever. I just thought, I always thought it was corny, but I've had experiences specifically with ayahuasca where I was going in looking at trauma, you know, that I experienced when I was a kid. And it's like, it's hard. It's hard to even. Articulate, but like these experiences often are, but essentially had the experience on a number of occasions where I became aware that every version of myself that I've ever been from the second I was born exists simultaneously in the version of me that I am now.

[01:24:47] Mm-hmm.

[01:24:47] Right. So it's like I can actually, well have actually gone back, for lack of a better term, to retrieve those parts of myself that were lost or, or heard [01:25:00] and integrate all those versions of myself into who I am now, which is outside of the idea of space and time. There was a 1-year-old me that doesn't exist anymore.

[01:25:08] No. The 1-year-old me is just buried within the 55-year-old me. Does that make sense? Mm-hmm. And I've had so many beautiful experiences playing with that reality that it's like, oh, there is no, you know, there is no like lost part of me that is outside of my capacity for healing. Right. It's like I, I don't have to go back and re-experience those harms.

[01:25:35] Well, you kind of do. You gotta feel 'em right. To heal 'em. So I like to say, but it's like no part of me could ever be lost because there's no place and time for it to be lost in. Yes. Right? Yes. It's like, wow, no, I actually can integrate. Every version of me that's ever been and welcome it and embrace it and love it, and just allow it to be part of my experience.

[01:25:57] Now,

[01:25:57] Jason Shurka: have you ever done a past life regression?

[01:25:59] Luke Storey: [01:26:00] No, I haven't.

[01:26:00] Jason Shurka: So

[01:26:01] Luke Storey: have you?

[01:26:02] Jason Shurka: Yes.

[01:26:03] Luke Storey: Oh, wow.

[01:26:03] Jason Shurka: Do you know, uh, Dr. Brian Weiss?

[01:26:06] Luke Storey: I've heard the name. Yeah.

[01:26:07] Jason Shurka: So he best in the world almost on his way out, late eighties, I think.

[01:26:11] Luke Storey: Oh, wow.

[01:26:12] Jason Shurka: Um, and he wrote a book I should

[01:26:14] Luke Storey: find him for, for

[01:26:16] Jason Shurka: you should, I don't know. He's like, doesn't work with

[01:26:18] Luke Storey: anybody, anybody.

[01:26:19] He still doing, is he still doing an interview? No, I wanna do a podcast.

[01:26:21] Jason Shurka: Try.

[01:26:21] Luke Storey: Okay.

[01:26:22] Jason Shurka: Try. He's somebody you wanna talk to many lives, many masters.

[01:26:24] Luke Storey: Oh yeah, I've heard of that.

[01:26:26] Jason Shurka: Brian Weis.

[01:26:27] Luke Storey: Okay. Yeah.

[01:26:28] Jason Shurka: And I bring him up because there's a phenomenon that he sees that I've actually seen before I did his things and after.

[01:26:39] And it ties right into how everything's happening at the same time. So let's assume in a past life you somebody slit your throat of just in a war, whatever. And in this life you come in with asthma because of that.

[01:26:53] Luke Storey: Right. Right.

[01:26:54] Jason Shurka: That happens

[01:26:54] Luke Storey: a

[01:26:54] Jason Shurka: lot.

[01:26:55] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:26:56] Jason Shurka: Well, interestingly enough, and I've seen this with [01:27:00] my own two eyes on somebody I know, so I know I can't be fake.

[01:27:03] She went through a regression. She remembered, I gave this example 'cause that's literally what she remembered. She rem, she had asthma. She remembered the situation. The moment she became aware of it, she never had the asthma attacks again.

[01:27:18] Luke Storey: Oh, holy shit.

[01:27:19] Jason Shurka: So there's something having to do with, when you become aware of the root of the issue and where it stems from, and you can remember it, the problem dissipates and disappears.

[01:27:31] Almost like if you're in a dark room and you turn on the lights, there's no more darkness. You don't need to fight it. Right? You just turn on the light.

[01:27:38] Luke Storey: Right?

[01:27:39] Jason Shurka: So the second the light gets turned on, you remember the problem goes away. And that happened to me with my shoulder, where my shoulder kept dislocating, dislocating, dislocating worked with a good friend of mine, his name is Damien.

[01:27:52] He doesn't do past life where aggressions, but he works with you in several different dimensions, if you will. Mm-hmm. That's the best way I can explain it. Mm-hmm. [01:28:00] And he didn't know anything about me and him. And I sat down. I was, uh, 18 years old. This was when, right before I started making my opening to a new life.

[01:28:11] And it was the last time something happened to my shoulder. And there's a reason why it was the last time, and I'm convinced this is the reason. When we were sitting down amongst other things, he says, I'm getting a a, he told me a few things. He said, number one, in your past lives, you were either very, very wealthy or very, very poor.

[01:28:35] And you were either very, very good or very, very evil. In this life. Thank God I came on the good side. But he, he literally said that, he said, you've lived both extremes, not a little bit on each side, both extremes on both sides. And he said, in one of your lives, and this just resonated with me and that's why I'm sharing it.

[01:28:56] He said, in one of your lives, I'm, I'm [01:29:00] feeling this, and his eyes are closed. And he, he kinda looks weird when he's doing it. And he goes to me and he is like, I, I'm seeing you Were like, somewhere in, there's a desert somewhere in the Middle East, maybe, I don't know. And you were standing up to the authorities to like the whatever, and they didn't like you.

[01:29:22] And he said, I've done that many times, many lifetimes, and I've done the opposite where I was the authority imposing the, the negative on the people, both sides. And he said, I'm, I'm feeling the situation. I'm seeing the situation where you're standing up and they're, they're like, humiliating you and torturing you in public.

[01:29:44] And how did they do it? And this, now I'm getting the chills again, freaked me out and I'll tell you why. He goes, I'm seeing horses. And the horses were tied by ropes to each of your limbs. [01:30:00] And they would take the horses and they would, they would have the horses move in each direction to dislocate your, your joints.

[01:30:07] Now, he could have looked me up or spoken to somebody and knew that I had shoulder dislocations, but exactly what he said was my recurring nightmare that I even forgot about from when I was five, six, and seven years old.

[01:30:21] Luke Storey: Whoa.

[01:30:21] Jason Shurka: And I never told anybody.

[01:30:23] Luke Storey: Whoa.

[01:30:24] Jason Shurka: And the mo, again, the chills and the moment he brought that to my attention, and there was just this click, it never happened again.

[01:30:32] Luke Storey: Damn, dude.

[01:30:35] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[01:30:36] Luke Storey: All right. I gotta pass life thing for you. Actually, I did have one. I, I wasn't brought through a regression, but I did have one experience in life where, I dunno, I guess I saw visions not even one past life, but just, it was like, it's like when you hear people tell stories about how, um, their life flashes before their eyes, you know, and they see every [01:31:00] second it was like that, but it was like multiple lifetimes.

[01:31:03] Um, so I did have that, which was kind of, well, I guess you couldn't call it proof, but it made a lot of things in my life make sense, put it that way without telling the whole story. But I've always had this irrational phobia of going to prison. Like that to me has always been the single scariest thing imaginable.

[01:31:31] Like more so than death or anything that you could imagine happening. I am terrified of prison. I've always thought that I must have been locked up at some point. Like it's just the thought. Like I can't even conceive of being in a cage.

[01:31:50] Jason Shurka: I have the same thing buried alive.

[01:31:52] Luke Storey: Oh, really? Interesting. I mean, no one like wants to go to prison or be buried alive.

[01:31:58] Right. But I mean, everyone kind of has the things [01:32:00] they're afraid of, and I'm not afraid of that many things. But that one You got me, man, to the point. Even when I was, uh, a very lawless kid, um, well not just kid, but into, into my mid twenties, and I was a, I was an addict. I was like. Abnormally careful about not getting busted on the street.

[01:32:21] Jason Shurka: Mm-hmm.

[01:32:22] Luke Storey: You know? 'cause I just watched all my friends, I mean, I don't know if you can call 'em friends, but let's say drug buddies. I mean, everyone always got arrested and thrown in LA County Jail and shit out on the street scoring drugs and stuff. I was so, I was like, I was like Jason, that was like the Jason Bourne of junkies.

[01:32:38] You know what I mean? I was so fucking good at not getting busted. Knock on wood. I don't do that kind of stuff anymore. But it's like, I used to just think you dumbass, like all you had to do. I think I talked about this on the show the other day. People go to down, you had to go to downtown LA to cop, like if you wanted certain things like heroin people go down there and you're dope sick.

[01:32:56] Right. So it's like every second counts. Like you can't wait to get that in your [01:33:00] body. And people Wow. That I knew like homies would go down there and then just pull the car over and use right there, like at the dope spot.

[01:33:07] Jason Shurka: Whoa.

[01:33:07] Luke Storey: And get busted. And now you're, now you're dope sick in county jail.

[01:33:12] Jason Shurka: Just outta curiosity.

[01:33:13] Like, like in ge, like heroin.

[01:33:15] Luke Storey: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:33:15] Jason Shurka: Wow.

[01:33:16] Luke Storey: Whereas if you just waited 20 minutes to drive back to your place in Hollywood, you could, you could use, uh, you know, at will. But things like that, you know, I'd be like, dude, and, but some people don't think it's that big of a deal to go to jail. You know? If someone got arrested, they'd be like, oh yeah, whatever.

[01:33:34] I got bailed out. It's like, I'm like, dude, you were in jail. I've had people on the show that did time in prison for different things too, you know? Um, and I'm just, I'm like, tell me all about it. Like, how do you hang? And even people that have been to prison are like, ah, you know, it's not fun, but it's not as bad as, as people think, you know, it's not like the movies, you're not getting raped or whatever, you know?

[01:33:54] It's just like, I don't care. I don't care if it's like five star Ghislaine Maxwell [01:34:00] Prison, like, you lock me in a goddamn room. I I cannot do it.

[01:34:05] Jason Shurka: No.

[01:34:06] Luke Storey: So I think there must be a past life thing. My mom has a phobia. I dunno if she still does, but when I was a kid, she had a, like a legit phobia of snakes and catching snakes was one of my favorite hobbies.

[01:34:16] I couldn't bring snakes home even. I bought a legless lizard home once and she's like, nah, I ain't having, it's too close to a snake.

[01:34:22] Jason Shurka: There's a connection somewhere.

[01:34:23] Luke Storey: Yeah. So I've always thought, you know, she must have had an experience with snakes and I must have had 'em with prison. And you, with being buried alive and

[01:34:29] Jason Shurka: me with tight spaces, tight, dark spaces.

[01:34:34] Oh,

[01:34:34] Luke Storey: you trip?

[01:34:35] Jason Shurka: No, no. Like it's

[01:34:36] Luke Storey: bad.

[01:34:37] Jason Shurka: Yeah, it's bad. Yeah, yeah,

[01:34:37] Luke Storey: yeah. My wife Allison has that too.

[01:34:39] Jason Shurka: Like, I've been to caves and I could see the other side. It's very clear. But I have to go through this very tight space. I was just in Cro, uh, where was it? Croatia. And this was the scariest, it's not even a big deal, but it was the scariest thing I've ever done in my life.

[01:34:59] [01:35:00] Not only it was a tight space. Not only it was dark, it was underwater.

[01:35:04] Luke Storey: Oh dude.

[01:35:05] Jason Shurka: Oh. And it was like four feet. But

[01:35:08] Luke Storey: that's, that's

[01:35:09] Jason Shurka: dude,

[01:35:10] Luke Storey: that's hairball

[01:35:11] Jason Shurka: my body. My heart was like, but I'm like, I gotta do it. Like, I, I gotta face this right now.

[01:35:18] Luke Storey: You went through with it.

[01:35:19] Jason Shurka: I went through it. I'll never do it again, but I did it.

[01:35:22] Luke Storey: I got one for you. And then, and then I have so many other things I wanna talk to you about. So last year I was, um, out of the country, let's just put it that way.

[01:35:32] Jason Shurka: Mm-hmm.

[01:35:33] Luke Storey: Just, I gotta be a bit cryptic out of respect to, well, out of respect to things. So I'm having some plant medicine experiences, right. I'm on this kind of pilgrimage and, um, one of the places was in, um, a, a sacred site and on the fir we were gonna be there two nights.

[01:35:56] And, um, this particular site has all of these [01:36:00] underground, um, catacombs and labyrinths and stuff. Right. It's a really ancient site. And, um, so I knew we were gonna be there. I was excited about it, whatever. So the first night, uh, which had been first night was, I didn't know this. And I don't smoke weed. Like I don't use cannabis recreationally.

[01:36:18] No, no problem. For people that do. But I was like a big stoner. So when I got sober, like weed is off the table. Right. 'cause it was a big problem for me. So they. We're in the ceremony, starting the ceremony, and the shaman's like, you know, we're gonna be working with cannabis tonight. And I'm like, oh, oh. You know, not like a relapse thing, but I'm just like, eh, I don't know.

[01:36:39] Like, I don't do that. Right. It's been 20 at that point, 28 years since I've been high. Right. Except for one mishap. With some gummies here. This is another story. It was accidental and it was not fun at all. But I mean, as far as like intentionally using cannabis to alter your consciousness had been 28 years.

[01:36:57] And so it was a, it was like a oil [01:37:00] right. An extract kind of oil that, you know, he made and the freaking jungle or whatever. So he is like, yeah, you know, two to four drops, we will get you there. And I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna do one drop. Literally do, I took one drop under my tongue. We end up at the, at this site and it gets dark, and they're like, cool, we're gonna go into the temple.

[01:37:20] I'm like, great. We, we get in, there's like a, a little, um, like passageway into the, this kind of labyrinth and there's no light at all. It's totally dark. And all of a sudden I'm like, ducking down. And they're like, you gotta hold someone's hand. And then you gotta keep one hand above your head. It's a really tight space.

[01:37:40] And when I say no light dog, I'm talking

[01:37:43] Jason Shurka: dark,

[01:37:43] Luke Storey: as dark as it can possibly be.

[01:37:45] Jason Shurka: Like your eyes are open and it looks like they're shot.

[01:37:47] Luke Storey: Yeah. Like when you're in a float tank. Yeah. It's like that. And the, the cannabis starts to hit me. I get super paranoid, you know what I mean? Like, I'm up in my head, I'm thinking we're gonna die in [01:38:00] there.

[01:38:00] I was terrified. But you know, what are you gonna do? You're not gonna be the guy that's like, I'm scared. You know? It's like we're here. Just, you gotta get through, go through with it. So anyway, we're in there and I'm finding my way, my heart's beating, my head's going a million miles an hour. I'm stoned as shit.

[01:38:13] I don't like the feeling anymore, which is good to learn. 'cause that used to be like my lifeblood. Yeah. Of smoking weed. I mean, that was my medicine. I was like, this sucks. Never doing this again. But here we are. I'm in this dark thing. And I remember sitting in there, I was like, and I started getting paranoid.

[01:38:28] Like the second night was like the real medicine. We were gonna be drinking wachuma, you know? And, um, what

[01:38:34] Jason Shurka: is Wachuma?

[01:38:34] Luke Storey: Uh, San Pedro Cactus. It's masculine. Yep. Okay. Right. Uh, which is a beautiful medicine and very, um, like dose dependent. A little bit of it is very gentle. A lot of it can be like LSD, you know?

[01:38:47] So I don't know how much they're gonna serve us. Right? So I'm in there and I get up in my head and I'm like, oh fuck, what if tomorrow night they try to bring us in here on the Wachuma? I'm like. [01:39:00] Started. I'm terrified. I'm like, oh my God. I mean, I'm, I can't do that. Like, this is already too much. I'm maxed out at this point.

[01:39:06] If you were on like stronger medicine than one drop of cannabis oil, it could be a really bad scene. So I'm getting all paranoid and then we get out, whatever, everything's fine. And then we're back at the, at the spot. And I told my group, I was like, oh my God, you guys, I was getting so paranoid in there. I started thinking this crazy thought that they're gonna bring us in there tomorrow night when we're on the Chuma.

[01:39:26] Isn't that ridiculous? I can't believe I was thinking that. We're all laughing, like, oh yeah. Like that would never happen. You know where the story's going next, next night in a hugely uh, yeah, like a deep, deep medicine space. We're going back in. And so I went in and like faced those fears, that kind of fear of confinement and darkness, like real claustrophobia.

[01:39:49] Um, interestingly enough, it wasn't as bad the second night 'cause I was so high. And it's like there was no space to even be afraid. Right. And I was in my, and I was in my [01:40:00] body instead of my head. It's just a different, you know, it's a different plant. And so the way it interacts with me is, is much different.

[01:40:06] But, um, talking about like, you know, fear factor that shows back on now. That was like,

[01:40:12] Jason Shurka: is it back?

[01:40:13] Luke Storey: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:40:14] Jason Shurka: No way.

[01:40:15] Luke Storey: Yeah. With a, uh, Johnny Knoxville hosting it. Yeah.

[01:40:17] Jason Shurka: No way. I'm gonna,

[01:40:19] Luke Storey: but I watch, I watched that show and I'm like, most of the shit I feel like I can do, the only one that gets me is like, the bugs.

[01:40:25] The bugs. That's where I'm at.

[01:40:27] Jason Shurka: The bugs

[01:40:27] Luke Storey: cover me in like boa constrictors, jump off a bridge, do whatever you want.

[01:40:31] Jason Shurka: Thes never eating a live cock. The

[01:40:32] Luke Storey: cockroach is bo.

[01:40:34] Jason Shurka: Like, I just can't do

[01:40:35] Luke Storey: that. Yeah. So anyway, I, I digress. Um, it, but it, it was a funny story and a funny trip and just one of those situations you're in where you're just like, this is my life.

[01:40:44] Like, I actually volunteered to come have these kind of experiences where it's so unpredictable mm-hmm. And spontaneous and sometimes terrifying and ultimately rewarding. So I would not try that at home. Kids don't go in an enclosed space. After taking cannabis for the first time in 28 [01:41:00] years, it was not fun.

[01:41:02] Uh, but I, I live to tell the tale and hopefully I'm a better man for it.

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[01:42:46] topics I wanna talk about, and then I wanna talk about the light system sitting here in front of us. Sure. Because I, I'm obsessed with this shit, dude.

[01:42:52] Jason Shurka: I love

[01:42:53] Luke Storey: it. I keep this thing next to my desk. I've had it for about a week and I'm just, it's always on. I always wanna sit right [01:43:00] next to it.

[01:43:00] I just looking at it, I love looking at it, but we'll get into that in a minute. Uh, two things I wanna talk about are remote viewing. And these could be short 'cause I don't know what you know about it. Sure. Remote viewing and also mind control like MK Ultra stuff. These are two things that I find really fascinating.

[01:43:17] Uh, back in the day, maybe 20, probably 20 years ago, I got these audio programs from a place called the Monroe Institute. Yep. Dr. Bob Monroe. And they were called Hemis Syn. Mm-hmm. Hemis Hemispheric Synchronization. Right. And now I use things like that, um, that are based on that same premise, but I was, you know, learning about this place and always wanted to go on a retreat there.

[01:43:39] 'cause I wanted to learn how to do remote viewing. It's just one of those things that ended up on the bucket list and I never did it. So,

[01:43:45] Jason Shurka: in Virginia?

[01:43:46] Luke Storey: Yeah. Yep. So there's that. Um, and not that that's the only place that has anything to do with remote viewing, but I think that's when I first became aware that it was a legitimate phenomenon mm-hmm.

[01:43:56] That like wasn't only the CIA or whatever. It's like no, like [01:44:00] regular people that aren't nefarious actually learn how to do it too. Um, because that whole idea is super trippy in the context of how we were just talking about time. Right. It's like, okay, if I'm remote viewing and I'm going to downtown Austin right now, and I'm, I'm here in a, you know, a meditative state and I'm, I'm dreaming.

[01:44:19] And then I go, okay, now I'm in downtown Austin. It's like. When am I there and when am I here anyway. Um, and then the other thing is mind control. You know, the MK Ultra thing, which they claim to have stopped doing in the seventies or whenever it was. To me, the entire social media landscape, it is

[01:44:40] Jason Shurka: mind control

[01:44:41] Luke Storey: with the blue light, the flicker rate.

[01:44:43] I think it's just, it not only didn't stop, it's just been,

[01:44:47] Jason Shurka: it's evolved

[01:44:48] Luke Storey: in

[01:44:48] Jason Shurka: masterful ways.

[01:44:49] Luke Storey: It's been scaled. You just look at what happened with the pandemic and the way people were brainwashed, like within 24 hours to start walking around with a diaper on their head. I mean, it's just [01:45:00] like, what is, like, how are we so susceptible to this?

[01:45:03] So what do you know about either of those two Very vast topics?

[01:45:07] Jason Shurka: Yeah. So, uh, remote viewing. I've worked with remote viewers in the past, as a matter of fact.

[01:45:13] Luke Storey: Like to learn how to do it yourself?

[01:45:16] Jason Shurka: No.

[01:45:16] Luke Storey: Okay.

[01:45:17] Jason Shurka: So quick story. Before I started doing the work that I was doing, that I am doing now, I had this really unique document in my possession that had a lot of out there information that I was given by somebody.

[01:45:33] And I was reaching out to everybody. And this was before I had any platform or anything of like, who can give me a platform to, to share this 'cause this can help a lot of people, or at least I felt, and one day I was watching Gaia. And at the end of one of the episodes it says, do you have information that you wanna share or whatever, email us here.

[01:45:54] So I emailed and I got in touch with a producer of one of the shows today. He's a very good friend of [01:46:00] mine, and at the time I was 22, I think 22 years old. And I sent him this document and in my head I'm like, listen, like nobody's gonna believe me. Like I'm not,

[01:46:11] Luke Storey: where'd you get this document

[01:46:13] Jason Shurka: from an individual who prefers not to share who he is?

[01:46:17] Oh,

[01:46:17] Luke Storey: okay.

[01:46:18] Jason Shurka: He gave it to me with the understanding that I could share it so long as

[01:46:21] Luke Storey: anonymously,

[01:46:22] Jason Shurka: you kind of keep his name out of it. Got it.

[01:46:23] Luke Storey: Okay.

[01:46:24] Jason Shurka: And it was more about like ancient Egypt and, uh, past life memories and things like that. And I found it to be very valuable information. I thought it was very interesting.

[01:46:31] So I wanted to get this out there and I try to find who can help me get this out there a few years ago and get in touch with this producer. We're talking back and forth and he emails me after I sent him the document. This was before anybody, this was before I published it to Share with the World. I sent him the document, I showed him whatever I could.

[01:46:50] And to my surprise, he messages me back one day and he is like, you're in, we're bringing you on for a show. So I called him and I'm like, [01:47:00] without revealing his name, he's just a producer on their team. I'm like, listen, I have a question for you. Just like out of like, just curiosity, how do you know I'm not making this shit up?

[01:47:10] How do you know I'm 22 years old, I could just be a, a random kid coming up with something. How do you know and why are you comfortable with bringing me onto the show? And he said, well, I have a friend, is what he said. I have a friend named Patricia. She's a remote viewer based out of Canada, Alberta, Canada, that works with the RCMP, which is like the Canadian police, FBI force, whatever.

[01:47:35] And whenever the RCMP cannot get or find a missing body, they call her and she's found 30 of them for them.

[01:47:44] Luke Storey: What?

[01:47:44] Jason Shurka: 30 missing bodies for them.

[01:47:46] Luke Storey: Holy shit.

[01:47:47] Jason Shurka: Remote viewing. I said, okay, so what's your point,

[01:47:49] Luke Storey: dude? If she found 30 out of a thousand, that would be impressive.

[01:47:53] Jason Shurka: Great. So I said, okay, so like, what's your point?

[01:47:55] Why are you telling me this? And he said, well, because in the [01:48:00] document that you gave me, it talks about certain objects, very specific objects buried underneath a certain geographical location. So I called my friend up, Patricia, she, he called her up and he said, I didn't tell her anything other than, here's the longitude, here's the latitude.

[01:48:22] Tell me what you see. And she came back with exactly what was in your document. Whoa. So I know that there's something going on here. I'm like, okay. So I don't know what to say about that, but let's do it. And that's how it all started. Then I started connecting with Patricia. Um, she's helped me with a few things as well.

[01:48:42] She actually, longer story doesn't matter now, but she, she found things for me in very unique ways. So I know remote viewing is very real. The CIA uses remote viewers. There's an operation called Operation Sun Creek, I think it's called CIA in the nineties or early two [01:49:00] thousands, if I'm not mistaken. Got like 40 different remote viewers to remote view, uh, the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, seeing what's under, having to do with the arc of the covenant.

[01:49:09] A lot of cool things. Wow. So remote viewing is something that the CIA uses and if the CIA uses them, you know, it's not nonsense. They make us believe it's nonsense, but there wouldn't be classified projects with the remote viewers if they were all fully shit. So that's number one. Number two, you're asking me about the topics that I actually have a lot of experience with MK Ultra.

[01:49:28] You know who Kathy O'Brien is?

[01:49:29] Luke Storey: I've heard the name.

[01:49:30] Jason Shurka: So she's also a good friend of mine. I've interviewed her a few times, done a few podcasts with her. She made claims, which I believe wholeheartedly of how she was trafficked, her and her daughter, um, connected to Dick Cheney and the Bush family and the Clintons and so on and so forth.

[01:49:48] Today, I think she's 70 years old, if not all.

[01:49:51] Luke Storey: Wow.

[01:49:51] Jason Shurka: And she's written books of all of her experiences. And you gotta ask yourself, why wouldn't Bush and Cheney go after her? [01:50:00] Because if they went after her, they, they don't want to go after people like that. Let her look crazy.

[01:50:04] Luke Storey: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:50:05] Jason Shurka: And we're just going to, you know, do our thing.

[01:50:07] Luke Storey: It's like when, uh, when nobody sued, um, RFK when he wrote the Fauci book.

[01:50:13] Jason Shurka: Yes.

[01:50:14] Luke Storey: It's like,

[01:50:14] Jason Shurka: because it's true.

[01:50:15] Luke Storey: Yeah. There's like, oh, he's crazy. I was like, why don't you sue him? You don't want discovery or something, you know? That's

[01:50:21] Jason Shurka: funny. So, so long story short, MK Ultra, they say it started in 1953, I think ended in 1972.

[01:50:28] Something around those dates. I agree with everything that you're saying. That was just their testing ground and they admitted that they did it. You think what they, I mean, I know you don't think this, but you really think what they learned from those 20 years they're not doing now. They're doing it all the time.

[01:50:43] And that's what our mainstream media is based on. That's what our music is based on. And the hurts that everything is tuned to, that's what everything's based on. And by the way, they're doing a hell of a job, doing a hell of a job. Look what they did during the, the 2020 situation. You [01:51:00] tell me how you can get eight bi, 6 billion people.

[01:51:05] 'cause that's how many people went and got that thing. 6 billion people to go and take a medical intervention that was never tested. And that a lot of people that took it were saying is dangerous and hear my side effects. And yet the world still did it. You gotta really be smart. You gotta really be a mastermind.

[01:51:24] That's not something you plot in a few years. That's decades of research to execute perfectly. And they executed it flawlessly. They really did. They're evil, but they're smart. That's the problem.

[01:51:36] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:51:36] Jason Shurka: And one thing we can learn from them with MK Ultra and everything else, the reason why they're they've been so successful in taking over the world is because they do so as a united front and they do their best Yeah.

[01:51:50] As a united front to divide us. Yeah. And when we're, we're divided, we're weak. When they're united, they're strong. Unfortunately, it's strong for the wrong reasons. That's by the way, why I [01:52:00] created the nonprofit that I have. It's called Unified. And it's to bring people together from the perspective of media to the perspective of technologies like this, to wellness centers and so on and so forth.

[01:52:10] So we can come together and do exactly what the other side is doing to us in principle, meaning unite and attack.

[01:52:17] Luke Storey: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:52:17] Jason Shurka: And in our case, you don't even need to attack. You just need to stop doing something.

[01:52:21] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:52:21] Jason Shurka: No guns, no violence, no war. Just say no. Very simple.

[01:52:25] Luke Storey: Well, I've heard you, uh, talk about, um.

[01:52:28] You know, my all time favorite teacher, David Hawkins.

[01:52:31] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[01:52:32] Luke Storey: Right. It's like when there's just two of us sitting here and we look at the problems in the world and all of these psychotic people that have managed to wrestle control over every institution on the planet. It's like, oh, what can we do about it?

[01:52:47] Like, we don't have any power. But, you know, from Hawkins perspective on consciousness and the, the map of consciousness, and I know you know about this 'cause I heard you talk about it, is say one person that [01:53:00] calibrates at 700, you know, and, and someone that's enlightened

[01:53:03] Jason Shurka: counter balance,

[01:53:04] Luke Storey: right? Because the logarithmic scale.

[01:53:06] Yep. Right. That, that one carries more power than a million people or a hundred thousand people, whatever it is. I forget, I mean, I've listened to thousands, I think

[01:53:14] Jason Shurka: it's like 70 million people.

[01:53:15] Luke Storey: Yeah. You had

[01:53:15] Jason Shurka: 700.

[01:53:16] Luke Storey: So it's like, it actually doesn't take as many of us.

[01:53:19] Jason Shurka: It's called critical mass.

[01:53:20] Luke Storey: Yes. Yes.

[01:53:21] Jason Shurka: So small amount of people vibrating very, very, very, very high.

[01:53:26] I'm nowhere near that. It's to get to a level 700. I hope that in this lifetime I can do it really

[01:53:34] Luke Storey: well. A lot of humans that do don't choose to stay in their body. You know, he would talk about that. It's like at, at different stages where he hit, he was like, yeah, this is totally optional. I guess I'll hang out.

[01:53:45] But it's like you could just kind of poof and decide to evaporate, you know, and, and, and leave here, which I'm sure a lot of mystics do because they fulfilled whatever karmic goals they had. Right. So it, it says a lot if someone sticks around like a true mystic, [01:54:00] like a true avatar,

[01:54:00] Jason Shurka: you gotta be a real angel

[01:54:01] Luke Storey: to, if they stick around here when they, when they've learned the game, right?

[01:54:05] Jason Shurka: It's like, you've already reached that and you've

[01:54:06] Luke Storey: won.

[01:54:07] Jason Shurka: Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[01:54:08] Luke Storey: You, you, you already like went to the highest level of Donkey Kong. You beat the game. But you know what, it's, you're like, all right, I'll stay here and teach some of these other kids how to get up some other levels.

[01:54:16] Jason Shurka: I think the reason why is because in their world, there is no I

[01:54:20] Luke Storey: Mm.

[01:54:20] Mm-hmm.

[01:54:22] Jason Shurka: When we say they beat the game, the level they're at there is no them or me and you.

[01:54:28] Luke Storey: Right? Right.

[01:54:29] Jason Shurka: So if you didn't beat the game, and I'm, and I'm where I'm at, let's say at seven or 800 or a thousand, I did not beat the game until I get you from 200 to X. Right. You know what I'm saying? So it's like,

[01:54:41] Luke Storey: yeah.

[01:54:42] Jason Shurka: It's just different consciousness. It's like looking at the, I'm still

[01:54:44] Luke Storey: selfish and think like I'm piecing out.

[01:54:47] Jason Shurka: It's like looking at the river from the perspective of the canoe and like where you are or looking at it from a 30,000 foot view.

[01:54:55] Luke Storey: Right.

[01:54:55] Jason Shurka: You're gonna take actions differently if you're looking at it from that perspective than this [01:55:00] perspective.

[01:55:00] And sometimes when you're from this perspective, the actions from this perspective won't make sense.

[01:55:06] Luke Storey: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:55:06] Jason Shurka: Because more time needs to unfold for this perspective to see it.

[01:55:10] Luke Storey: Yeah. That's faith. That's awesome. You just reminded me of one of my favorite quotes, uh, that I heard from someone sitting in that chair as we were talking about, um.

[01:55:20] You know that there, there is no other this idea, right? Mm-hmm. That there's no, I ultimately, and, um, they quoted, um, Romana, Romana Maharshi. Mm-hmm. And someone was interviewing him and asked him like, well, you know, you, you, you've reached this level of development consciousness, et cetera. I mean, how do you deal with people in the world, or how do you deal with other people?

[01:55:42] You're fine. But like, what about the other people? And he said, there are no other people. I was like, nailed it. That's so good. So good. I'm just like, it's true. Oh God, man, if you, if one could take that principle, right, and just live by that, imagine what the world would be [01:56:00]

[01:56:00] Jason Shurka: a much more beautiful

[01:56:01] Luke Storey: place, you know?

[01:56:01] Yeah. Yeah. So, um, yeah, I try to remember that, you know, when you're in traffic, you're like, you is a guy. It's like, I've never had road rage. I'm flipping myself off. Right? It's like, I used to have really bad road rage like six months ago. No, like long, long, long time ago, dude. I used to like fire bottle rockets at people outta my car, throw bolts at 'em.

[01:56:23] I mean, I was in la I was,

[01:56:25] Jason Shurka: it's such a different consciousness.

[01:56:26] Luke Storey: I was psychotic, you know? Um, and I'm not proud of that. It's just, it's hilarious actually in a way. 'cause it's like, I don't know when the last time was. I bet in the last, I'm gonna be honest, in the last five years, let's say, I've probably flipped someone off once.

[01:56:43] 'cause I don't, I don't think, I've never done it. Probably once, maybe twice. Right. In years where just like the moment hits and you're just like, I can't resist ah,

[01:56:53] Jason Shurka: on the road though.

[01:56:54] Luke Storey: But when I've done it, I'm like, I know. Even in that moment that I lost control, I'm like, you're [01:57:00] literally flipping yourself off.

[01:57:01] Yeah. Like that's you and the Honda right there. Yeah. You're hurting yourself. Right.

[01:57:06] Jason Shurka: I, I really like, sometimes, you know, I don't know, maybe I'll drive and the person thinks I cut them off. I didn't even mean to, they come and they're like screaming and cursing and I'm just looking and I'll, I don't mean to piss them off.

[01:57:16] I'm really just like, it makes me laugh because I'm like, why did you just choose to, why did you just choose to scream at me and ruin your day?

[01:57:26] Luke Storey: Yeah. I ruined their day.

[01:57:28] Jason Shurka: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You ruined your wrong day.

[01:57:29] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:57:30] Jason Shurka: So I've come to a point where whenever that happens, 'cause it happens, you know, you're on the highway, people scream at you, whatever.

[01:57:38] I bless them silently. So I hope you have a, a good day. But I can't help but laugh. It's funny. It's funny,

[01:57:45] Luke Storey: uh, one of the ways I learned how to not be an asshole on the road was, uh, 'cause I used to, you know, as I said, I was just like a road rage, nuts. I mean, I used to have people chase me off the freeway and shit because we'd be, you know, like those assholes in the, um, like [01:58:00] the uh, the Tokyo drift little cars, you know, on the freeway.

[01:58:03] It's like, like the

[01:58:04] Jason Shurka: ugly ones that

[01:58:04] Luke Storey: are loud. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't have one of those, but that's how I drove. You know what I mean? Yeah. Everyone's seen like that guy on the freeway where he is just, I would do that and sometimes piss someone off and then I'd like box 'em in, like passive aggressive, like make 'em so they can't go fast.

[01:58:19] Just psycho shit. But one time I'd just, you know, instinctively flipped someone off out my window at a stoplight in LA and I look at, actually my girlfriend at the time looks in the rear view mirror. She's like, dude, that guy has a gun. Like, go fucking dude behind us. I flip him off. I'm, now, I'm stuck at the light.

[01:58:39] He gets out of his car with the,

[01:58:40] Jason Shurka: oh

[01:58:41] Luke Storey: my god, with the peace dude and is like walking up to the back of the car. I, you know, so I of course find a way I bolt, you know, like in between traffic and stuff and dude chasing us around town.

[01:58:51] Jason Shurka: Oh my God.

[01:58:52] Luke Storey: So I'm just like, you never know, like who, what kind of psycho is on the other end of your middle finger.

[01:58:57] It's even if, you know, it's good to just not [01:59:00] do that in general, but it's really dangerous too.

[01:59:02] Jason Shurka: But be careful. Yeah.

[01:59:03] Luke Storey: You never know. You never know who you're talking shit to. Man. Crazy.

[01:59:06] Jason Shurka: And you don't know what they have to lose and what

[01:59:07] Luke Storey: they gotta lose. I, I have a friend here in Austin who's like. Thin. I mean, maybe like almost as tall as me, very thin guy.

[01:59:14] You'd never walk by him and be like, whoa, don't mess with him. You know, he's like a gazillion belt and like knows how to kill you in two seconds, you know? Right. You know that one shot to the throat and you're dead. Yeah. Like he's a deadly weapon and you would never know that. You know, it's like hearing his story, but he's super peaceful.

[01:59:32] Good guy, but he just, you know, he knows how to hold his own. Um, and so meeting him and hearing some of his stories, I'm like, I mean, not that I would talk shit to anyone anyway, but he wouldn't be a guy I'd be afraid to talk shit to, you know what I'm saying? And he

[01:59:44] Jason Shurka: could destroy you.

[01:59:45] Luke Storey: Yeah. He would literally like, come twist your neck off.

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[02:01:29] really wanted to get to this earlier. We're two hours in. So, uh, forgive me. People watching on the video, they're like, will you talk about the thing there? It's really cool looking. Um, so this is light systems, uh, of which you're, uh, you know, an advocate. Yes. And I've seen you talking about it.

[02:01:45] And when I saw this on your social, I was like, oh man, I've been, I've been like, interested in this technology for years, um, to the point where maybe two years ago, I, I was like, I gotta find whoever invented this. I gotta find this. I gotta try it. I want to get one. I know [02:02:00] Tony Robbins has some technology like this, uh, and he's always like a good.

[02:02:04] Testing ground, someone that can afford to buy shit like this. Yeah. And try it out. And he seems to be a fan. So I found a center in Austin, um, at one point. I've been there a couple times and just basically meditated with, with these, uh, devices and was immediately hooked. It's the place that has it here is quite far away.

[02:02:22] It's like an hour away. So I think I still have credits there I haven't used When I found out that you could get these in your house, I'm like, I'm in done. And as I said a few minutes ago, I, I literally don't want to be away from this thing. And I got a house full of really cool technologies and frequency devices and all this from PMF to lasers to the, I mean just like a lot of stuff.

[02:02:45] 'cause it's my passion. This thing sits next to my desk. I'm freaking obsessed with it. I know very little about how it works. I just know that it feels really good to be near it. And so that's like my only experience, a [02:03:00] hundred. When I first heard about it, I think I remember hearing something about scale, our wave generation, you know, which I kind of understand.

[02:03:08] I have some EMF devices that work in that capacity. So tell us like what you know about the light systems, how you discovered it, whatever you want to share. 'cause Absolutely. It's something I really interested in learning more about since I love it already.

[02:03:21] Jason Shurka: First of all, it's really cool to hear that ever since you you got it, you're like next to it.

[02:03:25] It feels so,

[02:03:26] Luke Storey: oh,

[02:03:26] Jason Shurka: magnetically pulled

[02:03:27] Luke Storey: to it. Well, the thing is, the, the thing is made like a freaking tank, which is super cool. I mean, you can't tell on camera, but it's steel, dude. The whole thing's welded together. Um, so it's really hard to move around the house.

[02:03:38] Jason Shurka: Yes.

[02:03:39] Luke Storey: Otherwise I would just take it, whatever.

[02:03:41] I would sleep with it. Honestly, I put it up here 'cause you were coming on the podcast, but I'll probably just keep the damn thing here when I do podcasts.

[02:03:48] Jason Shurka: It's a dude, it's like the, I like to refer to it in my own words as medicinal art because it's art.

[02:03:55] Luke Storey: That's a cool, that

[02:03:56] Jason Shurka: is a function and it's a function that [02:04:00] some people understand.

[02:04:01] Some don't. But I like, I like making it as simple as possible. So number one, there are. More and more technologies like this that are emerging because now people are starting to get with it. They're starting to get with the program, take red light therapy. It used to be weird. Nobody did it. You know, there was like one guy doing it and then it started getting more traction.

[02:04:21] More traction. Now what used to be called insane is super accepted all around the world or almost all around the world at this point. So what you're looking at here without all the mumbo jumbo, I wanna make it as, as clear and simple to understand as possible for the lay person. 'cause I think me and you are the lay person as well.

[02:04:40] Luke Storey: Yeah. I'm just like, I just feel good next to this day because I was like, it's all I need to know.

[02:04:45] Jason Shurka: So I'll give a brief history. The inventor behind the technology, behind the light system, it was actually called something else. The code that powers this, which is really the essence of the technology outside of the hardware, it's the software [02:05:00] that's running on This was originally called the synchronicity engine.

[02:05:03] And it was developed by a nam, a Nam, a man named back a nam. It was developed by a man named Robert Rega. And I will say, and I wanna make this clear, you know most people, they see what this technology can do and they're like, oh, who's the doctor in scientist that did this one? This guy is neither normal guy.

[02:05:24] Back in the what? Seventies, eighties? Today. He's like 74. So. Around the eighties. 'cause I did a podcast with him as well to understand like, who are you? Oh cool. I wanna watch

[02:05:35] Luke Storey: that.

[02:05:36] Jason Shurka: Like, and by the way, you're gonna see it is not the guy that you think would be behind something like this. 'cause this is what he is.

[02:05:43] He's a programmer. Huh? He's a programmer that started getting in his early twenties into like spirituality and meditation and things like that. And he was really excited and. What really interested him was transcendental meditation, [02:06:00] and at the same time, he wanted to find out or find a way to make it more efficient.

[02:06:05] Instead of sitting here and putting so much effort to figure out how to do this with transcendental meditation, what if there was a way to, this is a question he asked himself. What if there was a way to create some sort of program or code because he was a programmer? What if there was a way to create some sort of program or code to be able to help catalyze the process of diving deeper into states of meditation faster without all the effort that that was his original intention.

[02:06:32] It was never to help people with ailments or diseases or anything like that. Now, naturally what happens when you meditate and you clear your vessel and you clear your mind, your body starts rebalancing itself, the pain goes away, the hair grows back, the eyes get better, and so on and so forth. But again, the guy's not a scientist, not a doctor.

[02:06:50] Pr really good programmer with an interest in infatuation with meditation. That was how this was born. So what you're looking [02:07:00] at here in terms of the, the original code is 30 years old. It's like 30 something years old. Wow. And over time, what started as like, I guess his first version, he, he kept building and building and building on top of it.

[02:07:12] But I want to explain this to, to

[02:07:14] Luke Storey: No, that's cool. That's cool. To

[02:07:15] Jason Shurka: make it simple.

[02:07:15] Luke Storey: It's funny 'cause when you, when you boot it up

[02:07:18] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[02:07:18] Luke Storey: There's like a little hard drive in the back, right? Yep. When you boot it up, it looks like, you know, a Windows PC from 19 Exactly. 89 or whatever, you know?

[02:07:26] Jason Shurka: Yeah, yeah, yeah,

[02:07:27] Luke Storey: yeah.

[02:07:27] Like, this is cool.

[02:07:28] Jason Shurka: So this has been around for, for quite some time without the proper, I mean, he's not a marketer, you know, he doesn't know how to get it out there. He's a programmer and that's usually how it goes. You know what I mean? You have the really good programmer, but doesn't know how to bring anything to market.

[02:07:42] Just knows how to create

[02:07:43] Luke Storey: what's funny, what he created. Um, sometimes, 'cause I love finding the inventors of things like this mm-hmm. And putting 'em on the show and helping them market if they've done something legitimate and cool. Sometimes when the nerdy inventor is not the greatest public speaker, [02:08:00] they'll send someone else in their stead who's like the CEO, who's like, got a great personality and can, you know, describe the thing.

[02:08:06] But every once in a while there'll be two of 'em, which is really

[02:08:09] Jason Shurka: Yes.

[02:08:09] Luke Storey: Is really fun for me as the host, right? Yes. Because I can kind of get the, you know, the more salesy, like, uh, you know, the. Elevator pitch on it from someone that's more in like the business side of it. Yes. But then I can, like, for the geeks listening that understand, um, you know, science and, and, and engineering and physics and all these kind of things, like, I love being able to give the audience that perspective too.

[02:08:31] Jason Shurka: A hundred percent.

[02:08:32] Luke Storey: You know, which is really Absolutely.

[02:08:33] Jason Shurka: Which

[02:08:33] Luke Storey: is fun.

[02:08:34] Jason Shurka: So from a, from a light standpoint, think red light therapy only full spectrum light, visible light, full spectrum, visible light therapy. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. So this is one program, but there are up to 250,000 programmable combinations.

[02:08:54] Yes. 250,000. Dude,

[02:08:56] Luke Storey: do you guys show me how to use this

[02:08:57] Jason Shurka: thing? I'll show you

[02:08:57] Luke Storey: because I just, it didn't come with a [02:09:00] manual. You other,

[02:09:00] Jason Shurka: it send you a manual.

[02:09:01] Luke Storey: No. So I was just like, I started fucking around with it and I'm just like, I thought it's doing something, but I only know how to get to the first 20 items in the menu or whatever, you know, I'll show

[02:09:11] Jason Shurka: you, I'll show you everything.

[02:09:11] It's

[02:09:11] Luke Storey: really good. So I'm just like, I don't know. And I can't really read it because it's kind of pixelated, you know, so.

[02:09:15] Jason Shurka: Yes, yes. But if you take your phone, you'll be able to read it

[02:09:18] Luke Storey: perfectly. Okay. Okay.

[02:09:19] Jason Shurka: So there's four sets of linguistics. 16 different programs, 64 different colors, two different fonts. Let me explain what that means first.

[02:09:28] Elevator pitching, 15 seconds. Law of synchronization with your environment. When you create a coherent environment of energy, you synchronize with that coherent energy. This is creating a coherent energy for your body to synchronize with creating a coherent environment for your body to synchronize with.

[02:09:45] Now, how does it do it? Number one, linguistics. Linguistics. As we know Dr. Morimoto with the water experiment, positive affirmations lead to structured water. So restructure, restructuring the molecular formation of [02:10:00] water in the body, what you're looking at, scrolling here looks like a code because it's in a different font, but if on that keyboard you click F 11, it will turn right back to English.

[02:10:12] Luke Storey: Oh,

[02:10:12] Jason Shurka: word. These are encoded affirmations that are running on the screen.

[02:10:15] Luke Storey: Wow.

[02:10:16] Jason Shurka: And there are four sets that you can choose from. My favorite set of linguistics that's on this one is called 108 Origins Restoration, because it focuses specifically on rebalancing certain organs in the body, certain parts of the brain, certain parts of the body in general.

[02:10:33] So that's the linguistic that I personally like writing, but that's what resonates with me. There are other types of linguistics as well, so you have. Number one, four different linguistics right now. This is running one linguistic meaning a set of encoded affirmations that are scrolling on the screen, that is synchronizing with your body.

[02:10:53] Literally right now, while we're in the room, restructuring the molecular formation of water in the body. [02:11:00] The reason why that's important is because energy and electricity flows through those pathways of water, and when you have distorted structures, energy gets stuck. You have what's called a disc ease.

[02:11:10] When you have coherent structures, energy flows, you have something called health energetic balance. When it comes to the colors, color is light therapy, so it's bio photonic, light photons that will interact with the body and your biofield. So different,

[02:11:26] Luke Storey: and that's happening even if you're not looking at it.

[02:11:28] Right?

[02:11:28] Jason Shurka: You don't have to look at it.

[02:11:29] Luke Storey: Yeah,

[02:11:30] Jason Shurka: you don't have

[02:11:30] Luke Storey: to look at it. I like, I like looking at it.

[02:11:32] Jason Shurka: It's so cool.

[02:11:32] Luke Storey: I don't. Something weird about it. I think I was telling you like it's in, you know, I keep it in my office and when I walk by I'm like, I'll stop and double take, you wanna

[02:11:40] stare

[02:11:41] Jason Shurka: at it

[02:11:41] Luke Storey: like, dude, it looks cool.

[02:11:43] I wanna go in there. Just watch that thing.

[02:11:45] Jason Shurka: So with your colors, you have color therapy and red will do something different than orange. Orange and do something different than green. There are whole diagrams that I think they're gonna start putting out as the light system to be able to share more [02:12:00] of the broad picture with people of like also understanding this.

[02:12:03] So green is very good for your heart on a physical level and your lungs. Yellow is very good for your digestive system. Red is very good for inflammation, circulation, blood flow, so on and so forth. So you have two layers

[02:12:15] Luke Storey: here. And the the ancient Vedic scholars understood there's colors to the chakras, you know, I mean people are familiar with that.

[02:12:22] Jason Shurka: And if you think about

[02:12:23] Luke Storey: that, like they didn't just pick those randomly, I would think there's something to it.

[02:12:27] Jason Shurka: I mean, let's take your third energy center, which is your solar plexus. Why did they make it yellow? Answer is because the optimal frequency of your digestive system is the, is the frequency that you see as the color yellow.

[02:12:40] So yellow foods, mango,

[02:12:43] Luke Storey: right?

[02:12:43] Jason Shurka: Lemon, pineapple B. Good for your digestive

[02:12:47] Luke Storey: bile is yellow bile, digestive bile

[02:12:50] Jason Shurka: mix. Yes. Yes. Correct. Correct. Now green. Green, like green juices, what happens when you do a green juice fast? You're gonna cough up a lot of phlegm. It's clearing your [02:13:00] lugs. Red, red foods, cranberries, strawberries, cherries.

[02:13:04] Very good for inflammation. Is it a coincidence or did they know something back then? Right, that we forgot.

[02:13:09] Luke Storey: And the shape of foods too, dude. Yeah. Cool. I'm sure you've seen that like the walnut is good for your brain. It just looks like a freaking brain.

[02:13:15] Jason Shurka: Yeah,

[02:13:15] Luke Storey: it's crazy.

[02:13:16] Jason Shurka: It's amazing stuff,

[02:13:17] Luke Storey: but there's no God, it's like, come on.

[02:13:21] Jason Shurka: In short, you're looking at a combination of polychromatic light, which is full spectrum light therapy. You're looking at a combination of bio photonic light, which is interacting with the body, encoded affirmations and linguistics, and then the movement is important. So numerology, numbers, energy, you can actually, I'll show you how to do it, input certain numerology into the system.

[02:13:45] Oh wow. That will change the. When it changes direction and how it changes direction, you can input the Fibonacci sequence into the movement of light on this to bring you back more into coherence with nature, [02:14:00] because that's what nature is in alignment with the Fibonacci sequence. You can enter your own intentionality into this thing.

[02:14:06] Luke Storey: Really?

[02:14:07] Jason Shurka: Yes. Ctrl n up to 64 characters, including spaces between words entering your own intentionality that comes

[02:14:14] Luke Storey: I was wondering, I was wondering why it came with the keyboard.

[02:14:16] Jason Shurka: Yeah. You

[02:14:16] Luke Storey: know, I was like, what is this? I just need an on and off switch. I was like, keyboard. I was like, okay.

[02:14:22] Jason Shurka: Right now you, the default is a randomizer through all 16 programs that'll also randomize speed.

[02:14:30] Luke Storey: Oh, okay.

[02:14:30] Jason Shurka: That's, that's the default setting, which most people actually like, most people, like the most I should say.

[02:14:36] Luke Storey: Then what about, um, what about the scalar element? Is it emitting energy that is outside of the, the light component,

[02:14:45] Jason Shurka: so that will be created through something called photonic collision.

[02:14:49] Photonic collision is when you have light beams directly opposing each other. In this case, you have indirect photonic collision because you don't have a screen opposing it [02:15:00] on the bigger systems. Got it. You'll have two opposing screens facing each other with identical light beams and the identical light beams will annihilate each other creating a null zone.

[02:15:11] Wow. That's the energy you're talking about.

[02:15:12] Luke Storey: Wow.

[02:15:12] Jason Shurka: Those systems are more expensive. They're also much bigger. These are more like a fountain of light. It's a little bit different.

[02:15:19] Luke Storey: So how close would I need to be

[02:15:22] Jason Shurka: in the same room?

[02:15:24] Luke Storey: That's it.

[02:15:24] Jason Shurka: That's it.

[02:15:25] Luke Storey: Dude, the center I went to where I had like one of the deepest meditations in my life.

[02:15:30] I mean, it was, it was, I think I mentioned a flow tank earlier. It was like a flow tank. I, I was just in theta, just ah, just drooling for four hours. It was amazing. But they have like walls of these things. Yes. You know, I mean they're, they're stacks. They look at Marshall stacks. Yep. You know, and they're like, and thinking four corners and uh,

[02:15:47] Jason Shurka: so there's some that have setups of four, some that have setups of two.

[02:15:51] The light systems main configuration is two points.

[02:15:54] Luke Storey: Okay.

[02:15:55] Jason Shurka: But you could do 2, 4, 8, 16. You could do up to as many as you want. Got

[02:15:58] Luke Storey: it. I would like to build a [02:16:00] small room that has like 10 times more of these than you would ever than are, is realistic. You know, it's like, okay, if one of these things feels good and helps your body go into coherence, I'm just like, well, more is better.

[02:16:12] Right. I mean,

[02:16:12] Jason Shurka: what I would do if I were you is I would've a pyramid in the middle.

[02:16:15] Luke Storey: Okay.

[02:16:16] Jason Shurka: I would've a cube in each corner or a sphere in the middle.

[02:16:19] Luke Storey: Okay.

[02:16:19] Jason Shurka: The reason why is because specifically with the sphere, because of its configuration, if you have a sphere on the same level, let's say they're all in the same tabletops on the same height, the sphere will have that photonic collision with the light coming off the cube.

[02:16:32] Luke Storey: Ah, okay.

[02:16:33] Jason Shurka: So with a sphere in the middle, or a pyramid in the middle, but the pyramid will be angled a little bit.

[02:16:37] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm.

[02:16:38] Jason Shurka: You will then. Create an incredible field.

[02:16:41] Luke Storey: Yeah. Well when I incredible field, when, when I had that experience, you know, I'm like, all right, well how much do these things cost? 'cause as I said, it's a long drive.

[02:16:47] And I was like, oh, they're, they're not cheap. So I was like, to make the room that I envisioned, I think I priced it out. I was gonna be like a hundred grand or something, you know? I was, I mean,

[02:16:56] Jason Shurka: talk to Jared, talk to them.

[02:16:58] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[02:16:58] Jason Shurka: See what they could do.

[02:16:59] Luke Storey: [02:17:00] Yeah. I, I, I will do that. But, uh, I think someone told me that Tony Robbins has a, a number of them, you know, and I was like, well, he can afford it.

[02:17:08] But I'm just like, dude, because the, um, you know, you can do overnights and you can like bring your pets in and stuff. I'm like, I don't wanna go somewhere. I just want, people can come to my house if ba homie needs some support, like, eh, go in that room and just sit there in these lights,

[02:17:21] Jason Shurka: look sleeping around this thing.

[02:17:22] You should try it.

[02:17:24] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[02:17:24] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[02:17:25] Luke Storey: And I thought about that and I was like, ah, there's a lot of blue light.

[02:17:27] Jason Shurka: No,

[02:17:28] Luke Storey: you can, but you just put on an eye mask,

[02:17:29] Jason Shurka: you can switch it to red.

[02:17:31] Luke Storey: Oh, sick.

[02:17:32] Jason Shurka: You're gonna have a completely different experience. Black background. You red foreground, you're gonna sleep like a baby.

[02:17:38] Luke Storey: Wow.

[02:17:38] Jason Shurka: I'll show you how to do all those things. 'cause epic. I do this in my house. I have it in my house. I have it in my office

[02:17:43] Luke Storey: because Yeah, I've, I have it on at night in my office, but I also have like red, um, you know, sauna space lights that mm-hmm. Just give you a lot of infrared. Yep. So I wasn't worried about the blue 'cause it's being nuked by the other red lights.

[02:17:56] But yeah, I thought about, trust me, I was already, if I feel good sitting here for two hours, [02:18:00] I should put it next to my head while I'm sleeping. And I was like, ah, there's a lot of blue lights. That's good to know.

[02:18:03] Jason Shurka: Your plants will grow better. Sleep will be better.

[02:18:06] Luke Storey: Good. 'cause this spot right here is telling Jared our, uh, our producer here, I've bought like five plants for this corner.

[02:18:13] 'cause I like having plants on set. I don't like plastic plants. It's just against my religion. Um, every plant I put here dies. I'm gonna leave it up here for a while. Hang in there babe. Like we need a plant on set.

[02:18:25] Jason Shurka: But yeah. Plants, you'll, you'll see a lot of positive benefits and it makes sense. It's restructuring water.

[02:18:30] Yeah. When you do that,

[02:18:31] Luke Storey: that's,

[02:18:32] Jason Shurka: you have great outcomes.

[02:18:33] Luke Storey: That's epic.

[02:18:33] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[02:18:34] Luke Storey: Also, like with technologies like this, um, I always use our dog as a Guinea pig, you know, if she's having some issues because as of course they don't have placebo. Right. So I think like working with pets is really interesting with this kind.

[02:18:46] Jason Shurka: That's what actually got me over the hump of when I was trying to understand this.

[02:18:50] Luke Storey: Oh,

[02:18:50] Jason Shurka: really? Seeing it with animals. Yeah. And when I've seen it with dogs, cats, horses, horses Oh wow. Is a big one too. You can't make it up because there is no [02:19:00] placebo.

[02:19:00] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[02:19:00] Jason Shurka: And when you see that happening, time and time and time again, there's something going on here.

[02:19:05] Luke Storey: When I first adopted my dog, um, I picked her up from a, uh, like her spade surgery and she had this, you know, big, uh, wound on her, on her tummy with stitches and stuff. So I started treating her with my laser, like a high powered, um, cold laser. And dude, that shit I clo I nature with the assistance of me in that laser healed that scar in I wanna say like three days.

[02:19:32] Jason Shurka: Whoa.

[02:19:33] Luke Storey: Like what should have taken. You would've had to go back to the vet and take the stitches out in two weeks or something, or whatever it was. And I was like, holy shit. And it wasn't like her positive thinking, you know? It's like empirical evidence. I was like, holy shit, that's light man.

[02:19:47] Jason Shurka: Light is beautiful.

[02:19:48] The future of medicine.

[02:19:50] Luke Storey: I agree.

[02:19:50] Jason Shurka: It's what it is.

[02:19:51] Luke Storey: I agree. Wow. Super cool man. Well what an exciting and um, fun conversation. I wanna thank you so much for taking the time to join me here [02:20:00] today. We're really kindred spirits. I think we have a lot, a lot in common on so many levels. That's been super fun. I could keep going two hours into 20 minutes.

[02:20:09] You have a call int 18 minutes. Yes. So I'm gonna respect that. But uh, man, come back anytime. Thank you Brandon. And I am gonna, um, I think I'm in touch with Jared, I think is his name from Life Systems. Yeah. Jared. Yeah. So, um, I think a show with him is in the works too, which Awesome. Will be really fun. So.

[02:20:25] Awesome. We can, you know, for those that you know, didn't get to learn about this until the very end, we will, we'll go back in and do a focused episode on that.

[02:20:33] Jason Shurka: Very cool.

[02:20:34] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[02:20:34] Jason Shurka: Awesome.

[02:20:35] Luke Storey: Right on. Dude.

[02:20:35] Jason Shurka: I wanna say thank you and I had a blast just walking into this space 'cause it's pretty healing.

[02:20:42] Luke Storey: It is. It's a good vibe.

[02:20:44] Yeah.

[02:20:45] Jason Shurka: You are healing. You have a very good energy and a calm energy to you.

[02:20:50] Luke Storey: Thank you.

[02:20:50] Jason Shurka: And with my chaotic days, you really calm me down, so I wanna say

[02:20:54] Luke Storey: thank you. I love that man. I appreciate that. Thank you. It's funny, I hear that a lot from people that sit there. I'm like, you have no idea how psycho I am [02:21:00] inside.

[02:21:01] I, you know, I get nervous when people are coming in 'cause it's my house too, you know? I understand. It's like, you know, you wanna clean up and like make a good experience for the guests, but, and I'm managing like my questions and the show notes and you know, like I always have so much going on. I don't feel calm and chill inside.

[02:21:16] I understand. Until like 30 minutes in or so. Yep. But it's nice to hear that that's like, I can feel kind of frantic, but it doesn't necessarily, it doesn't spill out onto

[02:21:25] Jason Shurka: at all. On the contrary, I'm more feeling into the energy and not the expression.

[02:21:29] Luke Storey: Yeah. Yeah.

[02:21:30] Jason Shurka: And the energy's good, man. Cool. Yeah.

[02:21:31] Luke Storey: Um, actually I do have one quick question for you.

[02:21:34] It's a three parter and you can answer it like rapid style. It doesn't need any kind of explanation and it is this, I almost forgot, which I hate, I hate when that happens. Who have been three teachers or teachings in your life that have contributed to who you are today? Anything from a person to a book, to a philosophy.

[02:21:54] Okay. An awareness, understanding, anything.

[02:21:57] Jason Shurka: My father,[02:22:00]

[02:22:03] the, there's a book called Raise of Light. It's free on my website, that book, and there's a book called the Master Key System. Written by Charles something that

[02:22:18] Luke Storey: cool

[02:22:19] Jason Shurka: right there.

[02:22:19] Luke Storey: That was easy.

[02:22:20] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[02:22:20] Luke Storey: Sometimes people really struggle with this question.

[02:22:23] Jason Shurka: Well, I, I'm sure if you ask me tomorrow I can go even deeper and

[02:22:27] Luke Storey: No, that's good.

[02:22:27] I, but

[02:22:27] Jason Shurka: that would be my

[02:22:28] Luke Storey: off. I'm looking for the spontaneous answer. I had my friend Doyle on the other day, and he's heard the podcast a bunch of times, and that question came and he is like, wait, whoa, hold on. Whoa, whoa. What? It was like, really? It's a big

[02:22:40] Jason Shurka: question.

[02:22:40] Luke Storey: Yeah. Yeah. It's

[02:22:41] Jason Shurka: a loaded

[02:22:42] Luke Storey: question. And I'm like, man, if you've lived some, you know, some years it is tough to zero in.

[02:22:46] But I, I like the gut reaction, you know, 'cause it, it always surprises me. So oftentimes it's someone's parent or something like that, or Jesus or Buddha, but people really throw some curve balls at me and I'm like, I never would've guessed that. And then, and then we put it in the show notes, which by the way, [02:23:00] for those here at the very end, uh, show notes will be found@lukestory.com slash the light system.

[02:23:06] There you go. Oh dude, we didn't talk, we didn't really get into, I mean, we'll put it in the show notes, but your unified healing centers, right?

[02:23:14] Jason Shurka: Well that's actually extremely important.

[02:23:16] Luke Storey: Yeah. I'm like dudes.

[02:23:17] Jason Shurka: Thank God you reminded me. 'cause I wanted to bring that up. Yeah. A lot of people are gonna want to try this, right?

[02:23:23] Yeah. Some people before you're gonna go and buy something that you're spending a nice amount of money on. I mean,

[02:23:27] Luke Storey: this thing's five grand,

[02:23:28] Jason Shurka: right? So Yeah. You wanna go six grand?

[02:23:30] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[02:23:30] Jason Shurka: So you, you, you want to go and experience it before you go and purchase it.

[02:23:34] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[02:23:34] Jason Shurka: And that's where my organization comes in.

[02:23:36] So my organization, it's not so much mine 'cause it's a, but I run it, it's called Unified World. And Under Unified World we have a project called

[02:23:45] Luke Storey: FYD.

[02:23:46] Jason Shurka: Yeah. U-N-I-F-Y-D. Yeah. We have a project called Unified Healing. And Unified Healing is a network of wellness centers with what I believe are some of the, the latest and greatest technologies out there in the world today.[02:24:00]

[02:24:00] Generally energy and light-based technology. So many, number one unified healing has, uh, hundreds of centers in I think 55 countries.

[02:24:10] Luke Storey: Wow.

[02:24:10] Jason Shurka: Yeah. It's really big. That's

[02:24:12] Luke Storey: nuts.

[02:24:12] Jason Shurka: And the light system. Technology is in many of those centers. Not all of them, but many of those centers around the world. So Okay. If anybody wants to find those, I'll give you the link as well.

[02:24:23] That's unified healing.com. There's a whole map with a bunch of, uh, a bunch of different centers and all the gold pins on the map are all the light systems. They're all around the world.

[02:24:34] Luke Storey: I love that. I love that, um, that business model because many people, including myself with a lot of this stuff, can't afford to like, have it in their house.

[02:24:42] So, and I get

[02:24:42] Jason Shurka: that. Yeah.

[02:24:43] Luke Storey: Um, I've, I've loved the emergence of this business model where people are like, cool, I'll invest in all this stuff and people can just come in here and, and

[02:24:51] Jason Shurka: you have a few people that do have the means

[02:24:54] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[02:24:54] Jason Shurka: That also turn it into a business. So it allows them Yeah. It's not like they're just giving something away.

[02:24:58] They were able to, [02:25:00] to live off of that as well. Yeah. And build community.

[02:25:02] Luke Storey: Totally.

[02:25:02] Jason Shurka: And everybody can go and experience it for whatever that individual charges.

[02:25:07] Luke Storey: Yeah. '

[02:25:07] Jason Shurka: cause they're all individually owned, so.

[02:25:09] Luke Storey: Got it.

[02:25:10] Jason Shurka: It's, it's been a really, really cool process with such a journey of a ride going through starting it to where we're at now, and it's really a beautiful network of beautiful people.

[02:25:20] Luke Storey: Awesome. Well, we're gonna put it in the show notes and, uh, I'm glad you're doing that. I think that's a, it's a great service to the world, you know, for people to be able to go experience these things. It's, it's very important because this, there's no way out of, like, there's no way to improve upon the system that exists in allopathic medicine, so on.

[02:25:36] Right?

[02:25:36] Jason Shurka: Yep.

[02:25:37] Luke Storey: So what do you, you can't tear it down. You can't get rid of it. So what do you do? You go build a parallel system. Yep. That. Is superior and people are gonna gravitate toward that. So,

[02:25:45] Jason Shurka: and that's exactly what the focus is.

[02:25:47] Luke Storey: Yeah. Super cool.

[02:25:48] Jason Shurka: Yeah.

[02:25:48] Luke Storey: All right, dude.

[02:25:49] Jason Shurka: Thank you brother. Thank you so much.

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