453. New Year’s Revolution: How To Detox the Body Deeply & Safely & Why It’s Critical with Dr. Dan Pompa

Dr. Dan Pompa

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A second time guest, Dr. Pompa’s personal journey back to health after mold exposure has continued to lead him to the most innovative ways to optimize health and train practitioners around the world in his methods.

Dr. Daniel Pompa is a well-respected leader in the health and wellness industry. Educating practitioners and the public on the origins of inflammation-driven disease and the therapeutic applications of diet variation, fasting, cellular healing, and detoxification. Originally trained as a chiropractor, his authority is rooted in his battle to overcome neurotoxic illness and heavy metal poisoning using his unique cellular detoxification strategies.

DISCLAIMER: This podcast is presented for educational and exploratory purposes only. Published content is not intended to be used for diagnosing or treating any illness. Those responsible for this show disclaim responsibility for any possible adverse effects from the use of information presented by Luke or his guests. Please consult with your healthcare provider before using any products referenced. This podcast may contain paid endorsements for products or services.

Welcome to the third and final episode in our 2023 New Year, New You series. Manoj Dias helped us detox the mind from negative thoughts, Ryan Blaser guided through a masterclass of clean home practices, and today – Dr. Dan Pompa rounds out our education with a healthy dose of detoxification data for physical wellness.

A second-time guest, Dr. Pompa’s personal journey back to health after mold exposure has continued to lead him to the most innovative ways to optimize health and train practitioners around the world in his methods. His detoxification programs for neurotoxic conditions and other unexplainable illnesses have become the gold standard in his field.

And my friends, if you're interested in cellular detox, you've come to the right place. Dr. Pompa is a master of his craft; you're in for a real treat today. You can learn more and work with Dr. Pompa yourself by visiting lukestorey.com/pompaprogram.

My goal here for everyone listening to these first three episodes of the year is that they can set you straight with some powerful practices to address these crucial pillars of life – our mindset, our environment, and of course our physical body.

DISCLAIMER: This podcast is presented for educational and exploratory purposes only. Published content is not intended to be used for diagnosing or treating any illness. Those responsible for this show disclaim responsibility for any possible adverse effects from the use of information presented by Luke or his guests. Please consult with your healthcare provider before using any products referenced. This podcast may contain paid endorsements for products or services.

00:04:45 — Catching Up With Dr. Dan Pompa
00:18:40 — Mold, Humidity & Your Body
00:32:06 — Detoxing Heavy Metals
00:56:19 — Binders & Chelators
01:11:59 — Products & Practices For Your Life

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Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:00:05] I was a very active athlete at the time, training for elite bike races. Best shape of my life, arguably. And all of a sudden I fatigued. So any good athlete would say, well, I'm overtraining. Cut back, came back. I was worse, actually. So I knew something was not right, I just didn't know what. Hey, I'm Dr. Dan Pompa and you're listening to The Life Stylist Podcast.

Luke Storey: [00:00:37] This is the third and final episode in our 2023 New Year New You series. On January 3rd, we featured Manoj Dias to dial in our mental, emotional and spiritual habits and keep negativity at bay. Then in our second installment last week, we took a deep dive on creating a toxin-free home with Ryan Blasser from testmyhome.com. 

If you missed last week's show about detoxing your home from EMF, tap water, air pollution, mold, and blue light, make sure to scroll back and give it a listen. It was so full of practical insights that it could have been an online class in itself. It was pretty amazing. 

Now, this week brings you to Episode 453 where we address our physical health. It's called New Year's Revolution: How to Detox the Body Deeply and Safely and Why It's Critical with Dr. Dan Pompa. This one is going to provide a ton of value and demystify the complex practice of removing toxins from the body. And obviously starting the New Year is a great time to set yourself up for more vitality and renewed energy, especially after cutting loose over the holidays. Do you know what I'm saying? 

My goal here for everyone listening to these first three episodes of the year is that they can set you straight with some powerful practices to address these crucial pillars of life-- our mindset, our environment, and, of course, our physical body. But be sure to remember as we go through this trilogy, that perfection is a fool's errand. Trust me, I've tried it and it doesn't work. 

The best we can hope for is steady progress toward creating a lifestyle that brings us so much joy and abundance that we have plenty left with which we can be of useful service to our fellow Earth travelers. Hopefully, it's no secret by now that serving others really is the golden key to lasting fulfillment.
But that's really tough to do if your own tanks are empty. So let's do our best to take the principles we've learned here in this series and put them into practice. And trust me when I say you'll likely want the show notes and links for this episode. You'll find them at lukestorey.com/pompa, P-O-M-P-A. 

Our second-time guest, Dr. Pompa's personal journey back to health after mold exposure has continued to lead him to the most innovative ways to optimize health and train practitioners the world over in his methods. His detoxification programs for neurotoxic conditions and other unexplainable illnesses have become the gold standard in his field. And my friends, if you're interested in cellular detox, you've come to the right place. Dr. Pompa is a master of his craft, so you're in for a real treat today. 

And if you're intrigued by his perspective, check out lukestorey.com/revolutionhealth for special offers on Dr. Pompa's natural health and wellness solutions for everyday life. Here's an overview of what we discuss: the toxins that are most important to detox, the most toxic products in foods; cleansing metals, mold, and glyphosate from the body; the importance of a thyroid detox; the risks of dirty zeolite and the benefits of site detox; how leaky gut is related to detox; bitters liposomal and herbs that can assist in organ detox; silica to counter aluminum toxicity; the L Ron Hubbard niacin sauna detox program; using voice testing to understand gut health and his wife's stories of inherited lead toxicity; mercury fillings and their relationship to fetal metal toxicity; preventing mold in your home; the down low on the vast array of available heavy metal tests; depression, constipation, and other little-known thyroid symptoms, and how to save yourself from decades of sickness; why you might have the perfect level of hormone production and still be feeling unwell. And we talk about so much more in the realm of keeping your body safely free of toxins. 

So happy New Year and may this be your best one yet. Please join me as we welcome Dr. Dan Pompa to the Life Stylist Podcast. Dan Pompa, here we go again, dude. We've seen each other, but I think the first episode we did was on Zoom pretty early on and the Life Stylist Journey, and now that I had a chance to grab you in person. I'm stoked to catch up.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:04:37] I think that interview was like we were sitting in--

Luke Storey: [00:04:40] Was it in person? Oh my God, you're right.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:04:42] Convention center, sitting in person.

Luke Storey: [00:04:44] You're so right. We were at the BulletProof Conference in Pasadena.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:04:47] Pasadena. Yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:04:49] I have a really funny story about what transpired right after our conversation, which I don't want to say on the show. But I had a really bizarre altercation with someone right after we did our interview there.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:05:01] No way. I didn't know that.

Luke Storey: [00:05:03] He's highly renowned. It's not Dave Asprey by the way, but he's a really well-known guy. And there was a whole drama backstage. Yeah, I have micro PTSD from that experience.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:05:13] I'm sorry we brought that.

Luke Storey: [00:05:14] Yeah. No, no, I thought we did it on Zoom because at that time I wasn't doing very many in person. I had an apartment, and I had a little tiny office and so most of the live ones I did would be at events.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:05:26] Yeah. Look, I have to say like those people are more fascinated about my story. I was far more fascinated about your story. I think that it's just in Captivate. I think we saw you at dinner and my wife.

Luke Storey: [00:05:40] Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:05:40] That's where I got your story.

Luke Storey: [00:05:42] And I think I was on your podcast.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:05:44] Yes.

Luke Storey: [00:05:44] And that was Zoom.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:05:46] Yes. That's what you remember, to your defense, he still has a good memory, folks.

Luke Storey: [00:05:51] Yeah, let's hope so. With the amount of nootropics I've been taking this weekend, I better remember something. All right, so let's jump right into it. You're known for a lot of things. In our world, you're a micro-celebrity of sorts and I think many people will be aware of your work that are listening. Some won't. 

When I think of Dan Pompa, I think, oh, he's the guy that has detox nailed and I know you do a lot of other things. But I haven't really done a show on that in a while and I haven't done a show with you specifically on that, so I thought we'd focus on that today because it's obviously just probably more important than ever because of the world we live in and we're just under a complete assault from all directions. But it's fixable. I think you have some codes that can help people learn how to purify their bodies and as a result, have some lasting health. 

So let's start with what are the toxins, like the dirty dozen of sorts that you think are most important for people to pay attention to, to get tested, and then work to get out? Like, is it glyphosate, is it metals, Is it mold? What's the nasties lately?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:06:53] Well, there are some good ones right there. One thing I found is if you give people the long list, then it's like, oh, everything's toxic. Forget it. So I'll talk about the three that I find because I deal with people who have unexplainable illnesses-- autoimmune hormone dysregulation, I can't lose weight, energy brain fog, my thyroid is malfunctioning. So I started with that. Now it's this anxiety, I can't sleep.

All right. So when you look at what's the big cause of these symptoms and everything that I just mentioned, there is three that I can focus on. And if I give people three, I think they can go, okay, now what do I do about it? How do I know? So we'll get down to that path. But you mentioned mold. I hate mold. I despise it. I hate it. It's evil. It grows in dark places, think about it. There's no light and it's dark and it is, in fact, evil. But I guess I feel more that way just because I had such trouble with mold and still do.

Luke Storey: [00:07:57] Did you go through that personally?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:07:58] Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:07:59] Okay.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:08:00] I became very sick in 1999 and I was very sick for three or four years just searching for answers. From pain to purpose, everything I teach today came out of me figuring out my own battle. And then many other things occurred, too. We ended up adopting two kids, one on the autism spectrum. So my work developed through a lot of pain. You'll hear in a moment my wife's story. She had very high lead levels that she got from her mom, hormonally disrupted her. That lead ended up into my children. The number one source of lead is your mom. And it's inherited for generations. 

So when we think of some of these heavy metals that we'll talk about, remember that point, because that really had an impact on my family. But back to me as far as how I got into this, it was unexplainable, but it started like most people. I was fatigued and I couldn't understand why. I was a very active athlete at the time, training for elite bike races. Best shape my life, arguably. And all of a sudden I fatigued. So any good athlete would say, well, I'm overtraining. Cut back, came back. I was worse, actually. 

And I took two weeks off which in my world is a long time, worse again. So I knew something was not right. I just didn't know what. But worse got very worse. It ended up in anxiety, insomnia, bizarre headaches. Even forget about riding 100 miles on a bike, if I walked down the street, I was left fatigued. So I couldn't exercise in any capacity. My gut went food intolerance is chasing foods, sound sensitive, bizarre stuff started.

So that's where it started. It ended me finding out that I had a few things which I always call Perfect Storm. Everyone typically is looking for the one thing, and it's typically not. It's typically three stressors that come together. Do you remember the George Clooney movie?

Luke Storey: [00:10:00] No.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:10:01] See, I didn't say the name because I wanted to see if you'd say that.

Luke Storey: [00:10:04] That's not ringing a bell.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:10:05] It's called The Perfect Storm. But George Clooney Friday, I'm aging myself there because that was like an '80s movie.

Luke Storey: [00:10:11] I'm not too far behind you.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:10:12] Oh, okay. Yeah. So anyways, in the movie, they described it very well. Two storms come together, catastrophic storm. If you have two storms, it's a bad storm. I'm sorry, if you have three storms, catastrophic storms, that's The Perfect Storm or the Storm of The Century. But that's what happens when people get sick is you have three stressors. You have probably been dealing with one or two, and then you get the final storm and that's what the bottom falls out. 

I was living in a moldy home at the time, unknowing an old home, and I had some dental work done and amalgam fillings contained 50% mercury. They vaporized the mercury and I was left fatigued. Didn't know it at the time that that was the start of the problem because I thought it was just the anesthetic, I thought really didn't make the connection.

But I looked back, and I think it was three years later and once I identified, that's when it all happened. And then later I put together that it was the mold in the home because I realized I was mold sensitive. So perfect storm, a lot of exercise training at a very high level, living in a moldy home, mercury toxicity that I really built up my whole life. I had fillings in, I had many sources, my mom had fillings. There's a study called the Drash study, from a German study. The number of fillings ladies in your mouth is proportional to how much mercury is in the baby's brain in utero. And that was an autopsy study.

Luke Storey: [00:11:40] Really?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:11:40] Yeah. So pretty accurate, my point. So once again, just like I said, the lead is inherited for generations, so is Mercury. And not only is it inherited physically, the problem, too, is you turn on genes and you even turn on genes where it makes it more difficult to get rid of it.
So now we're born doomed, if you will, to have these issues of weight loss resistance perhaps, or thyroid condition. 

The point is, though, is like I said, this stuff can be inherited. It can turn on genes. But the physical inheritance alone. I had mercury in my brain. The thing is, is what I teach today, really the mastery of it a lot of people go, oh, I detoxed heavy metals, I detoxed this or that. But might have cleared your body some. But really how you really change people permanently, a lasting solution is getting it out of the nerve tissue, the brain in particular. So that's really what I'm known for is my detox at the cellular level, but the brain in particular.

Luke Storey: [00:12:38] Got it. Got it.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:12:39] So anyways, just to say that the mold is a big, big deal, evil. Heavy metals, we can talk a lot about because I think there's some misconceptions about how to get rid of it out of the body and also even the exposures. And then there is a third and I'll just lay it on the table, then we can dig into this as you want, but hidden infections. 

So you find that people that have a lot of immune challenges, maybe it's autoimmune and even lower immunity, they have hidden infections in the form of cavitation, which let's say you had a root canal out when you were a teenager. It heals over and no pain. After 20, 25 years, now you have an infection in your jaw that you don't know is there that is basically going systemic.

And then remember, now all of a sudden you might do just fine with that for many, many years until you have other perfect storms or other storms that come in. Remember, the three storms that come together is what I'm always looking for when I'm looking for why someone's not getting their life back.

So you have a hidden infection that needs to be found correctly, which is we can talk about it needs to be dealt with correctly. Root canals are known to give off biotoxins into the system, into the circulatory system, and create problems in unexplainable illnesses. So those are what I call hidden infections. And those are the things that are overlooked by most practitioners. For sure on the allopathic side of things. But even on the functional medicine side of things.

I find that in functional medicine today or alternative medicine, we find that we're doing a lot of expensive testing-- gut testing, DNA testing. But I feel like it's almost pulled us further away from what is the cause of why someone still doesn't have their life back. You can look at the microbiome until the cows come home, and what are we going to do about what's affecting it? 

You can look at their DNA and snips and say, oh, this is better for you. Maybe you should try, but what are we doing that really affects even the snips or what genes are even turned on? So I think that's the bigger conversation. We're having it.

Luke Storey: [00:14:59] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's funny, you mentioned hidden infections. I recently did a couple of tests in John Lieurance's clinic in Florida, and I was having some issues with tinnitus. And so I went down there and got this cutting-edge stem cell treatment in my inner ear, which was really wild. And he and the other doctor from Korea that were there at Dr. Sham said, you might have a longstanding sinus infection like a MARCoNS infection.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:15:24] Yeah. MARCoNS.

Luke Storey: [00:15:24] And I thought, hey, man, I've been like doing nasal rinses for years and I used to get sinus infections a lot. I feel like I don't really anymore. And I took the test and indeed I had one. And I'm thinking, Oh, man, how long has that been there? And what are the metabolites of that infection that are affecting not only my ear but probably the rest of my body? And in that same trip, I also did a prostate test and I had two bacterial infections there. And I'm like, "God," the two that I found, luckily, and maybe you have some insight into this, are also difficult to treat, right, because one's antibiotic-resistant. So it's--

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:15:59] MARCoNS are antibiotic resistant and typically people in mold exposure end up with those.

Luke Storey: [00:16:04] Yeah, well about to do some more tests. But it's like you have infections in parts of the body that are relatively easy to get something too, to get rid of it. And then you have other little pockets like the prostate that's really hard to even get to. And that's probably why the infection can be so long-standing because you have this closed capsule without a lot of blood flow in there. 

So we did some ozone injections through the perineum, which was interesting to say the least, and did a bunch of TRT and PMF and stuff. But I'm a guy who's always looking at this stuff and optimizing and I feel great my energy sleeve. I don't have any problems really. So imagine a person who, as you said, is lost their life essentially and is sick and can have multiple infections like that and even other ones. It's a pretty important thing to look at, I think.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:16:54] Yeah, for sure.

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Going back to mold, I think that many of us think about mold toxins in terms of when we can see it. We've all probably checked into a hotel or Airbnb somewhere humid in the tropical region or something. I remember a trip to Thailand and I checked into this hostel I walked in and there was black mold all over the walls. And I knew enough at that time. I was like, "Get out!" And we ran and paid a lot more for a better hotel that hopefully didn't have it. 

But in Austin, where I live, it's humid and hot and mold is just a huge issue there. And most people I know that end up getting sick from mold had no idea that there was mold in their house.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:19:16] It's almost always the case, isn't it?

Luke Storey: [00:19:19] Is it? Yeah. I'm like, Well, did you see it under the sink? They're like, "No, it's just there." One thing that I've noticed there too, is you'll see a building site and they'll excavate because you drive by the same site every day, they excavate, then you see them pouring a foundation, then they throw the sticks up and then they start to sometimes even put up the sides of the walls or whatever they're using, the insulation and stuff. And then it'll rain for three days.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:19:42] Yes. And then they seal it with plaster. 

Luke Storey: [00:19:44] Yeah. And then they come in and just seal it up and I'm like, oh God, I feel like I need to send a letter to the future owner. Like, get out! Is mold really much more prevalent in humid areas than dry areas, or does that even matter?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:19:58] No, it matters a lot. Look, the humidity, what happens is you're bringing humid air in and it's running through an HVAC system, your air conditioner. And what happens is, is the coil which makes the air cold it turns on, it turns off. But what's happening is condensation builds up on it because the temperature differences and mold ends up on the coil. 

So one of the tips that I always give people is always, always, always in humid environments, let your fan run on all the time. Do not put it on an auto because auto it shuts off and then it builds up molds forming and then it turns on, shuts off, turns on. So always, always run it. You want your humidity under 50, always. So in those human environments, you have to keep it under 50. Otherwise, you're going to end up with a mold problem because it's enough air humidity to feed a problem that's already existing. 

Look, mold needs water and food. Where does it get the food? Drywall. It's hard to believe that we're still making drywall with paper, which is cellulose, which just happens to be the perfect food for mold. It really is remarkable. And then we have wood, so the drywall is then added to wood, which is another great food cellulose. So all we have to do is add water and now we have mold.

Luke Storey: [00:21:16] It's like you're trying to grow mold in a building.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:21:18] Absolutely. And look, how many people have had a water damage incident in their home? If that's not dried within 36 hours, you have a mold problem. So it needs to be torn out. And they think, oh, it's dry out here. But what happened down in the wall is the problem in the ceiling. It's wet. You have insulation, it's been wet, it's wet for weeks in there, now you have mold.
And out of sight, out of mind until you don't feel well. And that's the problem is because that's how you don't see it. You don't see it. And by the way, you don't smell it when you live there all the time, you become sensitized to it or desensitized.

Luke Storey: [00:21:58] So running the fan all the time is good advice. What about getting a dehumidifier?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:22:03] Yeah, no, that's good advice, too. If you live in a humid environment, especially lower levels, they're going to be more humid and dehumidifiers keep the humidity under 50 for sure. Another great advice are these things called ERVs energy return ventilators. They're building homes, as you mentioned. You said how they build them and they seal them with plastic. It's wonderful. It keeps your heating bills better. It keeps them down more efficient. 

And if you get a leak, it keeps the water from coming in. But the problem is, it keeps your house sealed and water doesn't dry because there's no ventilation and also it keeps the chemicals in the house. So now we're building all these things with all these different chemicals, flame retardants, and we're sealing the homes tightly. So if you do get water damage, you have mold and you're sealing the chemicals in ERVs, or the answer, meaning these energy-returned ventilators pull outside air in and they bring stale air out.

Luke Storey: [00:23:06] Oh, cool.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:23:07] And look, they're not even that expensive. You can have any HVAC guy put one in and it will transform the air in your house. I think every home should have one. Oh, by the way, it's law that commercial buildings actually have to have them, but they're not putting them in homes. Commercial buildings have them because we don't want to be sued because of bad air, sick building syndromes. So now in commercial buildings, you have to have them.
But we need them in homes. You need them in your home. You need to have this air circulation and ventilation. It will decrease mold. It will decrease your toxic levels, and formaldehyde levels. You could go through a long list. It's like having whole house water filtration or water filtration. It's hard to believe that people still drink tap water, but I'm sure you don't, but people do. But for me, it's as important as filtered water.

Luke Storey: [00:24:00] Yeah, that's great. What do you think about these ultraviolet light tubes that they can put in the coils? Which is what I did recently in my HVAC?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:24:08] Yeah. So it works--

Luke Storey: [00:24:09] Like I said, if you got some condensation in there, it could be a problem.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:24:12] Exactly. You put ultraviolet light above the coil and it's going to be good. It'll keep it off the court. Now, it won't work throughout the system and they make a lot of claims how it diminishes viruses, but it passes through a little too quickly for that. But it definitely keeps mold off the coil.

Luke Storey: [00:24:28] Okay, cool. Then in terms of, I don't know, we're going to get into mold so much. [inaudible] I did a show recently with a guy, Michael Rubino, the mold Medic. And he came out to our house and--

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:24:38] Yeah, Michael, he's good.

Luke Storey: [00:24:41] Okay, cool. Yeah, he gave me some recommendations on how to guide our GC to get some mold out of our house when we first bought it.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:24:47] Yeah. And by the way, I'm sure Michael will covered this, but I don't want to beat the horse here. But you can't just do an air test in a house. It's more complicated than because I can't tell you how many times this weekend I had this conversation. Oh, I tested my house because I was doing a test called a visual contrast sensitivity test, which is still the most accurate way to see if you actually have bio toxic illness, which is mold illness. 

And people you could tell when they're in a mold exposure or how to pass or just by their score and you lose the visual contrast or at least the ability to see contrast. And I would say to people, while you're in a mold exposure, and they would be like, "No, I thought maybe, but I had a tested." How did you test it? "Air test." Yeah. Okay. I wish it were so easy. We used to have a guy named Ryan Blazer.

Luke Storey: [00:25:34] Oh, I know Ryan.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:25:35] Check my home. Welcome, yeah. Ryan's great. Anyways, he'll do a virtual inspection with people and then even maybe make some suggestions of some testing that they might want to start with. But then you got to test behind wall cavities. You got to look for like where is the areas of possible mold and test behind those things, dust test compared to outside air, inside air, bacteria testing. It's not what you think, testing homes for mold, you got to do it right. And just like testing the body.

Luke Storey: [00:26:06] So when it comes to getting mold in your body, now that a lot of people are listening to probably had exposure, what is different about detox protocols for mold versus heavy metals or pesticides or anything else you've accumulated? Is it a different system involved there and getting the hold up? 

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:26:23] A little bit. Yeah, a little bit. My system, which we can talk about in a moment. We first have to upregulate cellular function. I always say real detox is at the cellular level. And by the way, that's a big pitfall. We're going to talk about the pitfalls of detox. That's one of them. They don't fix the cell. And I say you will never get well unless you fix the cell. Real detox is at the cellular level.

So we upregulate the cell. You start moving biotoxins from the cell and we use some things to move the biotoxins out of the membranes because that's where they tend to be. And then we use key players in the gut or binders in the gut more often with a mold protocol because it tends to go to the liver once you move it from the cell and the tissue and it binds to bile, and then you dump the bio and the gut and you'll just keep reabsorbing it if you don't grab it. 

That came from Richie Shoemaker, that protocol where he was using polystyrene. And I always give credit where credit's due and credit's due there, where he discovered accidentally that process of pulling the bile and then the magic happens later. But I think a mistake is made, you still have to fix the upregulate, the cellular detox pathways, otherwise, you're dead in the water. 

But that combination in using binders and we use them three times a day as opposed to once a day with a typical regular. So a little hard to understand. I don't want to go without really seeing that drawn out. But yeah, yes.

Luke Storey: [00:27:56] I get the idea. And people can go to your site and you work with people, right?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:28:01] I work with some. I work with very, very difficult cases now and I will coach them for a whole year just because my goal is really to the cases I work with, you have to teach them the process. Like what I teach my doctors that I train, otherwise they'll not do it long enough to matter. I think that's another myth, if I will, about detoxes. Oh, I detox. It's three months. You did heavy metals three months, right? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Only heavy metals on my brain for four years by the way.

Luke Storey: [00:28:31] A lot of people I think detox is doing, I used to do this drink green juice exclusively for five days or something. You're like, "I'm good for life."

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:28:39] Yeah, that's what I'm up against. Yeah. It seems like what is in our world, our space it doesn't leave oftentimes. Even though things have been disproven like chlorella. I have nothing against chlorella. It's actually a really good superfood and it's a very minor, weak binder, but it is not the heavy metal magnet. In Petri dishes, it looks really great. Like, Wow, look at that. But when it hits the microbiome, it absolutely is not a good heavy metal binder. So there's these myths. Again, that's--

Luke Storey: [00:29:10] Cilantro too.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:29:11] Cilantro is another one. Oh, it moves metal out of the brain. My wife almost had to check me into the insane asylum because I juice cilantro and I mobilize. So it's a weak binder. I mobilize so much mercury amount around my body, I thought I was going to die. And she claims I wanted to commit suicide, and she's probably right.

Luke Storey: [00:29:31] Wow.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:29:31] Yeah. So not good. We're hitting on all these, like, detox myths that leave. It's like government wants something like low fat is bad. It's always bad. Then we can't ever tell it even though we've proven it's not bad, it's still there.

Luke Storey: [00:29:44] There are these thought memes that permeate. Obviously, in the Western medicine model there are many--

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:29:49] But in ours too. Listen, I have nothing against saunas, colon cleanses, these things, but if it's not how you get someone's life back that's truly deeply toxic and they can be a part of it. I have nothing against saunas as I recommend people do it, but you have to do it with the proper detox going on. You have to be up-regulating cell function. You have to use real key layers and binders around it. Otherwise, you're going to mobilize toxins that end up deeper in the brain, deeper in the nerve tissue. 

So it's not as simple as just doing a colon cleanse. It's good to keep your bowels moving and darn it, there's a place for it. So I'm not speaking bad about these things, but it's not like I did detox.

Luke Storey: [00:30:28] I think I took that away from our conversation when you use the term that you use, obviously, a lot is cellular detox. And the way you explain it is there's degrees of detox and you have your upstream, the cell which you're speaking of, and then you have all of these cascades of different things that might be helpful downstream. But if you're drinking green juice if you're really toxic, let's just say, as I argue, most people probably are at this point, if you drink green juice for five days, do a couple of colonics, do some sonnes, you're still way downstream.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:30:56] Yeah, way down. Sure.

Luke Storey: [00:30:57] From where it counts.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:30:58] Wait. Look, there maybe is nothing bad about drinking green juice, although a lot of thallium poisoning and arsenic poisoning, it comes from green juice. You might want to be a little careful, Dave Asprey, and I would probably agree that kale is potentially not the best food on the planet.

Luke Storey: [00:31:14] Yeah, concentrating oscillates into a tasty drink.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:31:17] Yeah. And thallium, yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:31:20] That's funny because I don't do a lot of green juice anymore. I used to juice all the time and stuff, but I went to Erewhon last night because I miss my beloved Erewhon. Now, if you've been there, it's like--

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:31:29] My kids were there this trip. I didn't get to go.

Luke Storey: [00:31:31] Don't go in unless you have a lot of room on your credit card. But I got a green juice and I drink it this morning. I just felt drawn to it, and it was good and I feel fine. But I used to pound a lot of that. And then I would start looking at, well, even if it's organic, let's say you're drinking a celery juice, like, what's that guy's name the medic, the medical medium? He's got people on celery juice and it's probably great.
But if that stuff's grown even, it's organic. It's grown in NPK fertilizer--

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:31:56] You're concentrating it.

Luke Storey: [00:31:57] You're totally deregulating all your mineral balance. So it's so weird. Are there some things that do have a benefit? But then if you really look into it, there's also a potential downside. In terms of the metals, we can talk more about the methods of detoxing, but there's a lot of different ways to test. You have the hair mineral analysis test. 

And that'll show you the mineral levels supposedly and the, and the metals you have to a degree and then you have like a challenge urine test. And then you have a blood test. Where are we nowadays? Because I haven't done a lot of those lately. What's the gold standard of testing for metals?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:32:32] I made the comment earlier that it's brain-heavy metals that really are the problem. Aluminum and mercury and others. But those, in particular, there's really no way to see brain metals without a biopsy. And I don't know that we're going to sign up for that. So I doubt that's going to happen.

Luke Storey: [00:32:50] You got to open up your skull and take a little--

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:32:52] Take a little tissue.

Luke Storey: [00:32:54] Take a sample.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:32:54] "What part?" "Ahhh, I'd be okay." Maybe.

Luke Storey: [00:32:57] Take it out of my amygdala, like, I don't know. Relax.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:32:59] Yeah, exactly. Good point. But I keep putting my head on that burning stove. I remember. It's bad.

Luke Storey: [00:33:05] I don't know. Why do these cars keep honking at me? I'm so relaxed.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:33:08] Yeah. All right, that's not good. But anyway, look, there's no perfect heavy metal test. I say that, and people are so astounded by the comment.

Luke Storey: [00:33:17] I'm disappointed. I was waiting for the silver bullet.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:33:20] Yeah, but I'll give you some options. Okay, blood, if you have acute exposure, it will show up in the blood. After a few days, it's moved on to tissue. We can challenge it out in the urine. Or let's backup, a urine test. You're only going to see what your body is getting rid of. We can use a key letter and challenge it out, which for some metals has great value we can see pulling it out of the more extracellular tissues, and then we can see a higher level if you didn't use a key letter.

It's very accurate for lead, some thallium, gadolinium, so some other things that are stored more in body tissue, but not so good for aluminum and mercury and some other metals. So it has its limitations. Hair is what typically it's showing what your body is getting rid of. So it's really not going to be where your problem is. There was a couple of autism studies done and they found that autistic kids never had mercury in their hair. Which ended up to be the red flag. If you actually had some mercury, you're able to get rid of it.

Luke Storey: [00:34:25] They're not isolating it. It's just stuck.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:34:27] So you can see there's some limitations with the testing. There's a new test called the OLIGO scan, and it's a Europe study. It's gotten better over the years. I've checked it's reproducibility, meaning tested me and some other people. And then an hour later, 10 minutes later retested and. Oh, it's the same person. That's a good sign. 

But it's like we know that because I hate tests where you do it and then you do it an hour later and it's completely different. They say, "Yeah, but the test itself treated you somewhat with frequency and now it's different." Okay, I know that you said, but I'm not buying it necessarily. 

This test shows intracellular what's in the membranes toxicity and it's gotten better, it's the same technology that if you take and look at a plant or an herb and you want to see if there's heavy metals in it, you'll hit it with ultraviolet light and photo spectrometry is what the technology is, and then it basically reflects a pattern back, a wavelength back, and it's measurable. 

Now, when you do that in science in a lab, you have to know the exact amount of material you have. Otherwise, you could throw the test results off because there's an algorithm. So it's the same with the body. You have to know your weight. If you screw that up, you can throw the test off. You even have to know your blood type. So they look at those parameters and they're able to now with much greater accuracy, look at what's more in the cell.

Now, not perfect because we just don't know it's in your brain, but at least we're able to put some of these tests together and get a better idea.

Luke Storey: [00:36:02] Cool. Cool. What about--

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:36:04] I'm doing the illegal skin actually, downstairs. You should run down.

Luke Storey: [00:36:07] Really?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:36:07] Well, not right now but--

Luke Storey: [00:36:08] Will it be there when we're done? 

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:36:09] I hope so. 

Luke Storey: [00:36:09] I don't know what time it is.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:36:11] If not, I'll make my team do it for you.

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There's a school of thought that's shared by many that talks and exposure, although it's to a greater degree now, our bodies have always been exposed to poisons and toxins, and that if you have enough metabolic energy and if you have the proper balance of minerals that are the counterparts to some of these toxins that your body, your redox is high enough that you should just be constantly detoxing naturally. 

And specifically, I'm thinking of things like if you're getting enough selenium, then that's going to get the mercury out. So some people would say if you eat a lot of fish that are high in mercury doesn't really matter because the selenium in the fish is going to balance it out. Or in the case of aluminum, which I'm currently working on, that silica is like the antagonist to that. 

And then with something like fluoride, you've got iodine. So there seems to be these counterparts that nature has created where if you can balance them out, your body should be able to detox. What's your perspective on leaving things alone and putting some inputs in that are going to help your body actually just do what it's meant to do?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:38:51] Yeah, in a perfect world, perfect system I agree with all that. Because nature always innate intelligence, always has a homeostasis, a way to balance itself, a counteract to this. It's when we interfere with that innate intelligence or that ecosystem. We wouldn't have polluted lakes if we didn't interfere. Because in that lake as the perfect balance to keep it heavy metal free in the water, clean and this and that so water systems become polluted because we overwhelm the system. Same with our body. We overwhelm the internal environment to the point where now that's out of balance. 

So putting silver fillings that contain 50% mercury, that vaporize mercury into our brain. 24/7 and especially when you drink hot liquids. And by the way, if that filling is 25, 30, 35 years old, it's still giving off mercury into your brain. Mercury vapor turns to inorganic mercury has a half-life longer than you live, and it accumulates in the tissues. So what does your body do with this? At some point it's trying to counteract that, but you're overwhelming the system.

Luke Storey: [00:40:07] So it doesn't matter how many Brazil nuts you eat. You want your selenium.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:40:11] Yeah, exactly. So we overwhelm the system. And then you mentioned glyphosate earlier. Stephanie Cini did the first study I saw. It was 2012 study and she found that glyphosate was making the metals that were already exposed to, we talked about metals from mom, we talked about lead from mom, mercury from mom, and these already chemicals that we have in our body and it allows them to cross deeper into the brain right through the blood-brain barrier because glyphosate opens up and that's the chemical sprayed on most of our food today, unavoidable to some degree, even if you're eating 100% organic.

Luke Storey: [00:40:52] I was shocked to learn that some farmers use glyphosate to actually dry the wheat.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:40:56] Yeah, it's called desiccation. But as a Reese's--

Luke Storey: [00:41:01] As it's not bad enough to spray your crops with it just to keep pests off or whatever.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:41:04] Yeah, it's called desiccation because it makes it easier to harvest. So you increase your profits. So if it's so healthy, why wouldn't you if it's so healthy? So anyways, in the company, Monsanto says it is healthy, so why not increase my profits? So you could see.

Luke Storey: [00:41:17] We can definitely trust them now, right? I mean, of course.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:41:20] Yeah. So anyway, but it's opening up our gut barrier, it's opening up the blood-brain barrier and it's making the situation worse. I'm still answering your question of like, yeah, we have these natural processes, but look what we're doing. We're overwhelming, with vaccinations, it's still contained mercury and definitely aluminum. We're overwhelming the system. We're shutting down the detox pathways. 

But to your point where I say, look, the detox is at the cellular level, if we don't fix these pathways, it doesn't matter how much selenium you take, it doesn't matter how many key letters you use, you have to fix what's broken at the cell because there's these pathways are there for the purpose of removing toxins day in, day out. Listen, when you make energy in your cell, you make waste. Just like if we burn wood in this room to heat the room, we would die if we didn't get the smoke out. This room would become like a toxic cell and we would die.

That's happening in our bodies. The cell becomes inflamed because of toxins in the membranes, and now it can't get the good stuff in any way. It doesn't matter how you eat, you can't even get the selenium in the cell because it's so inflamed and now you can't get the bad stuff out. And now your genes, your DNA is in that cell too, and now you're triggering genes and these cells are duplicating other bad cells.

So when I say you have to fix the cell to get well and real detox is the cellular level, that's what I mean. So when we look at most of the detox that's going on downstairs, if you will we're at a conference, it's not real detox. You don't get people well by not understanding what is happening at the cell. So, yes do we give people the minerals needed in the process, I die. Very important. I feel selenium is very important, methylation is very important. But the point is, you have to do that within the other system, what we're trying to correct here.

Luke Storey: [00:43:14] Cool. Very clear. Very clear message. I appreciate that. And thanks for touching back on glyphosate. I try to mention glyphosate in any health-related and just like someday, someone that has some influence on legislation will hear it, maybe, Oh yeah, maybe we should rethink this.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:43:29] It's probably a good idea. 

Luke Storey: [00:43:31] I spent the last year and a half going to Home Depot a lot, unfortunately, and the first thing you see oftentimes when you walk in is just this huge end cap of Roundup and I'm just like, Oh--

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:43:41] Don't they watch the commercials that everyone else does? The commercials now are saying, billions of dollars in lawsuits have been given because this stuff causes cancer and lymphoma. And there's a list of things like they're winning the lawsuits, meaning the science is clear this stuff causes cancer and other diseases, and yet it's still sold in Home Depot. If I owned Home Depot, I'd be like, could you take that stuff out of my store?

Luke Storey: [00:44:04] Totally. And I always think about pets. You have your two lovely dogs here and I have a dog and a cat at home, and it's like she loves to go run on lawns and golf courses they spray with atrazine. And people at home are probably spraying their lawns with Roundup. And it was like, get off the lawn. I hate to be a buzzkill, but it's like, man, it's just difficult to avoid. What's up with the thyroid function as it pertains to detox because I know that's something that you have some knowledge about.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:44:34] I spoke on that actually this weekend. I felt the need to speak on it this weekend because I see a massive explosion right now happening and we'll talk about it, there's a couple of topics here. But post-COVID, I actually named and trademarked it Post-COVID Stress Response. So many people have lost hair after COVID long haulers, and what's wrong, and what we're doing to help fix it? 

But what's happening with this, first of all, let me just give you some statistics. Who is ending up with thyroid conditions? Thyroiditis post-COVID, it's women under the age of 50. And it's typically women who had a subclinical thyroid issue, didn't know it, and got COVID. 

Their cells went into what I call a cellular danger response, a whole nother topic, and basically to save their life, saw a foreign virus and locked them into this cellular danger response. They end up with thyroiditis. And that's happening in mostly women, but it's happening in men to men. You're not off the hook. 

But that's a reason why you have a lot of listeners right now going, Oh my gosh, that's me. I myself was stunned at the numbers. I spoke the other day here and I just said, I have just curious the group here. And it looked a little more than half the room. Like that after COVID was losing hair. That was the only question I asked or hair thinning. And then I said, okay, how many people still don't feel well? Was another large portion of--

Luke Storey: [00:46:15] And finding that that result in this demographic is pretty telling too. Probably some of the most health-conscious people in the world flying here to learn how to do it now.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:46:24] Well, I argue that a lot of them are here also, though, to try to find an answer. But you're right. But anyways, so thyroid, I call it the canary in the coal mine, meaning that I'm dating myself. I think you understand what that means. Maybe some of our listeners know.

Luke Storey: [00:46:40] They know.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:46:41] All right. They know. Really? Okay, because I've had people say, or at least one of my kids go, "Dad, I don't think people know what that means. What the heck are you talking about?"

Luke Storey: [00:46:48] Maybe I'm just older, too.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:46:49] That's what it is. Do you know what that is?

Luke Storey: [00:46:51] Bailey.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:46:52] All right.

Luke Storey: [00:46:52] All right. How old are you, Bailey? 27?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:46:55] Okay. Well, all right, that's good. Bailey is a really smart 27-year-old. But in defense of people who don't know what it is, we're not bringing canaries into coal mines anymore. And for those who don't know, they used to do that because the canary would be the first to die if there was a poisonous gas in the mine, then the miners had a chance to come out. We have sophisticated equipment for that today.

But the canary in the coal mine, meaning they're sensitive, they die easily with toxic exposure. Your thyroid is the canary in the coal mine. It's the first to go. So neurotoxins, in particular, it goes right to the thyroid. And so we know that when people are neurotoxic and we talked about mold, we talked about some heavy metals, we talked about hidden infections, They get a lot of these thyroid symptoms, brain fog. That's actually a thyroid. So constipation is actually a thyroid symptom. Believe it or not, depression is a thyroid symptom. 

Of course, low energy, of course, thinning hair, of course, temperature, dysregulation, etc., dry skin thinning, aging skin. I mean, all of that is thyroid. But also the inability, weight loss, resistance. How do we not talk about that? A lot of people can't lose weight today because of subclinical. And what that means is you have the symptoms, but you go to your doctor and you do a blood test and they go normal. 

Unfortunately, it takes about 20 years of those fun symptoms till you finally go to your doctor insisting that you have a thyroid condition. And this time he runs and goes, "Oh, well, now you do, you had it for 20 years subclinical."

Luke Storey: [00:48:30] So it'll be subclinical for that long.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:48:32] That long. Yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:48:33] Wow.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:48:34] 10 to 20. I find it definitely leaning on the 20 sides. So then the problem is then they give you typically a medication T4 Synthroid as a T4, that's the inactive form of thyroid hormone that needs to be converted to the active form that gets its message in your cell, tells your mitochondria to burn fat for energy, and make energy and all the fun things. And we don't have any of the symptoms that I just mentioned.

All right. That works wonderful if it converts to T3. And then the other problem is, does the T3 get its message in the cell because toxic people have inflamed cell membranes, as I already pointed out.

Luke Storey: [00:49:16] So it makes the cell a closed system.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:49:18] Exactly. So all the receptors to the thyroid hormone are on the cell membranes. And when you have inflammation of that and that's one of the tests we were doing down there as well. Then you don't get the message in. So it's like you have a $1,000 cell phone, it's a wonderful cell phone until you get away from cell phone towers and it's useless if it can't get its message.

Luke Storey: [00:49:40] It's a cool camera.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:49:41] That's true. So it's not useless. You could still take pictures of yourself dying in the force. But anyway, so it has to connect to the cell phone tower. Your hormones have to connect to the receptor. So one of the things I was teaching on this weekend was just that hormone problems it's really not the lack of hormones that people think sometimes, but rarely. It's most often a hormone-resistance problem. Think of Type-two diabetes, insulin resistance. 

You have plenty of insulin, oftentimes too much. But if insulin can't connect to the cell receptor, then you don't feel good. And all the symptoms off. Same with thyroid, same with estrogen. I can go down a list. When your cells are inflamed, you're hormone-resistant. So that's why people don't feel well. That's why you can't burn fat anymore. It's not your diet, it's why you exercise your butt off and still have love handles. It's why you don't have energy at the end of the day, it's why your brain doesn't work. 

So, yes, the thyroid is just the first one that we look at and say, Yeah, we know this set of symptoms and it makes this become the issue. But here's where functional medicine is failing. What is the cause of cellular inflammation? Toxins are the number one source. I could talk about other causes, but toxins are the number one source. And what are we doing about it? Because I just said that the hormone problem is a cellular problem. So if you're not dealing with the toxins at the cellular level, then what are you doing?

And by the way, you're not going to fix the gut if you're not upstream dealing with the toxins that your body's just painfully trying to get rid of, half of which end up in your liver, in your bile and dumped in your gut, destroying your microbiome. I've heard people say, well, real detox. Well, not real detox, but detox, you should fix your gut first before you detox. I laugh. 

If it were only so simple, I can't fix the gut in any of the people that we work with until we work upstream. It's like you bought this new plot of land. You're so excited on this gorgeous river and you go down and you realize the fish are dying and your plants are dying and the ecosystem is destroyed. So you spend a lot of money fixing it, putting in new fish, restocking, algae, the whole thing. You're smart enough to put the microorganisms in there. Three months later, all dead again.

And you do that again. You spend more money this time. Then your neighbor comes down and says, "George, you might want to save your money. 20 miles upstream, there's a factory dumping mercury into the water." Oh, yeah. You're never going to fix it. Well, this is what we're doing. We're trying to fix the gut. We're trying to fix the thyroid. We're trying to fix the adrenals downstream. What's upstream? Why is the thyroid failing? Why your adrenal shot? There's a reason.

Luke Storey: [00:52:28] I think a lot of people with the thyroid and I'm certainly no expert on it, but as I age, I'm starting to perk my ears up a bit to it. But I think a lot of people think when you have thyroid dysfunction, it's just a normal natural part of aging. When you get older, your thyroid does this.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:52:42] In this country, you're right. Yeah. In this country, you're right. It's common, but it's definitely not normal. I think the sad part is, like I said, people listening and watching it, they go to their doctor and they do end up on the med. And I already said that if it doesn't convert, most of the conversion takes place in the liver and the gut.
Oh, by the way, to convert T4 to T3, you actually need selenium which depletes selenium mercury, as you pointed out.

Luke Storey: [00:53:09] I got that.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:53:10] Yeah. So your point is if you don't make that conversion, and people that are toxic have toxic livers that are straining and gut's microbiome. So you don't make the conversion. And then again, I said even if you do make the conversion, your membranes are inflamed, and the receptors are blocked. And the hormone can't get its message in the cell.

Luke Storey: [00:53:28] So with the thyroid, you know who Ray Peat is?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:53:32] No.

Luke Storey: [00:53:33] Doctor Ray Peat is an older guy, a really brilliant guy. And he has a lot of somewhat controversial views. But there's a whole, I don't want to denigrate them by calling them a cult, but he has people that are obsessed with his work. And one of the things that he recommends universally is supplementing with thyroid. And so I was curious about that. And do you know Craig Conover? Dr. Craig Conover from South Carolina?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:53:56] No.

Luke Storey: [00:53:56] He's a former guest on the show and I hit him up and I said, Man, I'm just a little low energy, I get tired in the afternoon and he said, "I'm going to send you some desiccated thyroid and just take one of those every morning and see how you feel." And I'll be damned in three or four weeks. I have a lot more energy. So I take one a day, and it's just become part of my--

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:54:15] Desiccated thyroid is definitely a better way to go because in the desiccated thyroid, you have T4  and T3. You have a full set of hormones there. However, I would argue that look, your cells can deal with lower hormone levels as we age. It's normal aging, especially as you age your cells become more sensitive to the hormones. And it's a normal part of aging. I always say it's very difficult to win the hormone game. There's a time and a place for hormones for multiple reasons. 

But we realize today, I think more than ever, that it's the sensitivity to the hormone, meaning your cells has to hear the hormone that really is a healthy person. So as we age, very healthy people and we study healthy cultures, their hormone levels lower. It's very normal. Otherwise, you start making too many bad cells. 

So it's normal. But the cells hear, the lower levels, that's the problem in our country. Is that the cells are so darn inflamed that they're not hearing the hormones. So what are we doing? We're taking hormones, which sometimes makes us feel better. I'll give you an analogy. It's like yelling at your kids. You don't have kids.

Luke Storey: [00:55:25] Not yet.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:55:26] Bad analogy, but those people have kids.

Luke Storey: [00:55:28] I have a dog.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:55:28] I'll give you another easy for you. Okay. It doesn't work with dogs either. So if you yell at your kids in the beginning, it works. Meaning, if you're taking hormones in the beginning, it typically works. 

But then when you're yelling at your kids all the time, it works less and less and less to you're yelling louder and louder and louder to the point where you're like, okay, this is not working. And then you start whispering, it actually works better. But that's like the cells. Hormones need more and more and more, typically it just less and less and less because you're really not dealing with the problem. And that's the cell's ability to hear it.

Luke Storey: [00:56:01] The receptors.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:56:02] The receptors.

Luke Storey: [00:56:03] Okay, cool. Wow. Very interesting.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:56:04] But desiccated, though, taking a glandular can be supportive of a thyroid. But I would argue if you still need the support all the time, you still have something more upstream that you should concern yourself with.

Luke Storey: [00:56:17] Yeah. Okay, cool. Very good. Very good. Next up, I want to get into the binders. A lot of people are into Zeolite. And then this came out years ago. Before that, I heard about, calcium, bentonite, clay, and charcoal, and then zeolite kind of hit the scene. And I was taking that and everyone was kind of taking it. 

And then there was a big scare about heavy metal contamination in the zeolites. So you're trying to detox your metals and then you're taking zeolite. And so when I did my recent hair mineral analysis test with upgraded formulas, a guy that's been on the show Barton Scott.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:56:49] Yeah. Barton.

Luke Storey: [00:56:50] They recommend it, and I worked with the practitioner that read my results and he got me on this little dropper called CytoDetox. And I looked at it.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:56:58] That's where that came from.

Luke Storey: [00:56:59] Yeah, that's what I figured out today. That's what I figured out today. I was like, Hey, he recommended zeolites. No, no, no. This Zeolite is totally safe. It works great. He's got his clients on. He said he get great results. And I looked at it. I'm like, I'm taking one little dropper at the tiny little dropper bottle like this size. And I'm thinking, "What's that going to do? I used to take spoonfuls of zeolite and clay, but he swears by it. So maybe give us the breakdown on zeolites, how they work, how they don't, and what--

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:57:24] This is a great conversation. We'll call this binder and key letters. Because there's a little bit of difference in the myths around them. Yes, Zeolites are loaded, typically, very toxic. Mike Adams, I forget when it was maybe three years ago, he tested like all of them on the market and they all had lead in arsenic and all kinds of bad stuff.

Luke Storey: [00:57:45] They're essentially like ground-up rocks.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:57:46] Absolutely. All right. So they hold ground minerals and heavy metals. So you have to always clean them. But the problem is when people clean them, they destroy the cages. And that's how they bind these little cages. And if a product is clean, because we have a lab that we were able to test these in, typically they're just broken into pieces and they don't matter anymore. 

So there is a process to clean it and make it still intact. And the answer to your question, how could that little bit be in a bottle? And by the way, I have no ownership of the company anymore, but I still believe in the product. I was the initiator of how the technology came together and really bring in scientists together, how we liberalize that little particle. 

Because the problem I was having is zeolite particles are big, they stay in the gut, great gut binder if it's clean, if you have a clean one. And most aren't, so be careful. But we wanted to get it into the circulatory system, so we had to make the particles smaller, but yet keep them intact. 

So that was a process. And then we had to liposome them, put them in a little fat particle. And that got it through not just the gut better, but it also helped it into the membranes. So that was the help of some really bright people that I brought together on that project, honestly. But so it's a great product, it's a clean product, and you don't need much of it because we don't want it to be in the gut. We want it to go systemic.

Luke Storey: [00:59:20] That makes total sense.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:59:20] And I use the product to this day. I already said I have no ownership in the company anymore, but I absolutely use it with my clients.

Luke Storey: [00:59:26] Would that be just good general maintenance for people?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [00:59:29] Yeah, I prefer it in my system, but yeah, you can absolutely use it like that, but I use it in a system of up-regulating cell function, and then we'll talk about gut binders in that importance in a minute.  

But okay, so zeolites are true and you mentioned carbon. Most carbon also is dirty. And again, things that come from the ground can be dirty. You can use coconut shell carbon. It's cleaner, a little different binding capacity, but carbons, they bind specific things. So I build out a product called bind and it has like--

Luke Storey: [01:00:02] Oh, that's yours? The capsule?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:00:03] Yeah. I developed that.

Luke Storey: [01:00:04] He got me on that too. 

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:00:05] So it has a specific carbon that is like you throw it in the air and it still sticks very expensive carbon in that because most carbon really doesn't do a great job. Carbon is actually better for biotoxins, things like mold and infection type of toxins than it is even heavy metals. So then you mix phosphates that are dirty. It took us 13 different companies to find a clean one and we still test batches that are dirty. You still have to test every batch, most people don't. 

Luke Storey: [01:00:40] Formic and fulvic and humic acid.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:00:42] So these are a lot of products today. To your point, they became popular. But I'm telling you these things are dirty and you have to be very, very careful. So okay, most of those things just stay in the gut and they're not really systemic cleansers. People don't understand that. So I utilize gut binding and my process.

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So when we're dealing with the various binders, obviously there's the cleanliness of those binders is really important. Something came to mind when you talked about formic and fulvic and humic acid. I've been a huge fan of Shilajit for a long time. I take probably a gram of that a day and I've also heard with that it can be very problematic in terms of contamination, mold, bacteria, viruses, metals. It can be really nasty.

So I always look for a trusted brand that's going to show me their lab reports to see that it's clean. If one had a clean Shilajit source, the one I like is from a company called MIDA Life, because they're little tablets, you pop them.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:03:21] I haven't tested it. I would say it's great if you get the clean source. What I would do if I were you, labs you can pay them to test a product. And that product particularly, I would say test it for microorganisms as well as heavy metals. 

Luke Storey: [01:03:36] Do you think the humic and fulvic acids in Shilajit if you were to take a clean source and enough would assist in the detox process?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:03:43] Year. No it does. Because the reason why I use binders in the gut that don't leave the gut in my system is that the toxins, once you upregulate self-function, then it moves the toxins to the liver. They bind with bile. I explain this about mold. And then it dumps it in the gut, and then you'll just autointoxication and you'll keep autointoxication.

Luke Storey: [01:04:04] This is reabsorbing.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:04:05] So in my system, we upregulate the cell functions. And that's my five Rs. I have five Rs, which is a roadmap of how we upregulate the cell functions. And we could talk about that in a minute, but when we upregulate the cell detox pathways, it starts to move toxins out of the cell. 

We use key letters and binders and there are several of them. CytoDetox is just one and we want them out and around the cell to grab the toxins and move it all the way out of the body so you don't reabsorb it somewhere else. That's the problem. It ends up in your brain or somewhere else if you don't have that, those key leaders around you. So that's where key leaders are used.

We use the binders in the gut because when a lot of it ends up in the liver, binds to bile, the bile is dumped into the intestines to digest fat. That's what it does, but it brings the toxins with it. The unfortunate part is in the lower small intestine, you absorb the bile back to the liver so it doesn't have to recreate it. But what does it bring back? It brings the toxins back around, autointoxication.
So we grab those toxins away from the bowel and pull it out. So step one, upregulate the cell function. Step two, we need key letters out here. So people that try to detox just with key letters. You're only working out here, you're not working at the cell and you're not working in the gut at all really. So you want to grab them here so you don't auto-intoxicate when they come out of the cell and you want to grab them in the gut so you don't auto-intoxicate from the gut. 

So binders and key letters, key letters are more used around in and around the cell. DMSA, wonderful. It uses a sulfur hydro bond called thyro group and that is a very strong bond. But the problem with these guys is, number one, they're water soluble so they don't pull metal out of the brain. They don't get it from the cell, but they do wonderful of grabbing it once it comes out of the cell and the tissues in moving it all the way out of the body, it's released very quickly. But that's the problem, too, because you have to take DMSA every four hours.

Otherwise, if the level drops, then you create more circulation. You have to keep the level up. DMPS is another one, but you have to take it every eight hours. EDTA is about a 10 to 12-hour half-life, so it's a little easier. But all of those key letters have good things than bad things, and some people do better with some than others. 

So we come in with a total basket of key letters and binders and things because everybody's different. So everyone wants the box thing. And I created a box program called TCD some years ago. And I hated it because everyone just wanted the box. And it's like, okay, I created this for this. But detox, you have to use different doses for people, key letter.

Luke Storey: [01:06:53] And is this based on the testing?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:06:56] Yeah, it's based on people's responses. They go, man, I feel worse on cycle. And detox is also always cycled. People try to stay on to you. You have to be on. You have to be off. You have to be on, just like in nature, it's all detox is always cycle. So anyways, I told you that was a big topic or on binders and key letters. That's what I mean. These things are misused, they're misunderstood. People think that they can just use them. Not the case.

Luke Storey: [01:07:22] That's me. One of the things that I do actually, I've been using the bind product lately in lieu of activated charcoal, but oftentimes.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:07:29] That's a better product though because it's way more and it's clean.

Luke Storey: [01:07:32] I am not even trying to do like a detox protocol. But I know if I eat something really shitty that has whatever, pesticides, artificial colors, etc, and this is a little bit borderline eating disorder, I think, but I'll eat something I know tastes really good, that's kind of shitty and then I'll take charcoal afterward.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:07:48] Yeah. It's not a bad strategy, though. If you eat something, remember it's a gut binder. So you can mitigate a lot of bad oils, you can mitigate some toxins, some glyphosate by taking bind. Bind has carbon, it has humic fulvates, it has a product. When I was in Africa, it comes from this baobab tree and it's an incredible tree. 

These trees live thousands of years that are fascinating trees and this fruit comes off a tree. It's about this big and then you crack it open and the Africans, they use this stuff for everything. But we found this stuff to be an incredible binder.

Luke Storey: [01:08:27] What's it called?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:08:28] Well, they call it Baobab.

Luke Storey: [01:08:33] The guy I just interviewed a couple of hours ago before you, was talking about the Baobab tree and something that comes out of the fruit. And he names something. 

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:08:41] That's it.

Luke Storey: [01:08:42] He wasn't even talking about detox.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:08:43] I was there in 2005. I said, let's export this stuff. So we actually started the process of like, okay, let's get this going. Oh yeah, you get busy and you just drop the ball. I dropped the ball on that. I don't remember how many years later, somebody did it and all of a sudden they have their trademark name on the product that I now buy. 

The company that makes Bind binder to put in the product for me, it's like, there it is. It's like, oh my gosh, It's because it is an incredible binder and there's some nutrient value too. But anyway, so Bind has four different binders. I'm developing a nut with another one right now with seven new technology, so I'll let you know.

Luke Storey: [01:09:25] Awesome. Yeah. Because as you're speaking, it's funny you mention everyone just wants the box, and as you were speaking a few moments ago, I was like, "I'm going to text him after this and be like, "All right, what's the deal? What's the box? I just want to buy ten things, take it for a month and I'm good." And I was like, aha.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:09:37] Yeah, that's the thing. You're my worst nightmare but I love you to death, meaning that when you deal with someone who is, like, sick and challenged, they're going to listen to what you say to get their life back. You're just biohacking around. You want to be healthy, and that's cool. The way you use things is called no problem. So no criticism here. But the point is, though, if you're really trying to get heavy metals out of deep tissue, there has to be a consistent following of a program.

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At this point, you're working with a few select clients. And you mentioned that you're training doctors. Could someone listening find someone that's trained in the way that you've discovered?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:12:09] Three years ago with my children who are heavy metal poison-- I started that story a little bit, but passionate about everything that we do, they started Pompa Program, which now has scaled everything that I do, teaching doctors, and they're taking what I've been teaching directly to the public, people looking for answers. And they have a coach in a whole university that I've built out. 

And it's basically if I would work with someone for a year, you're working with someone who I've trained intensely and they're taking you through the process. And my kids passionately brought that to the world. You wouldn't believe because the need is so high. They have just exploded this scaled program of what I've been teaching for 20 years.

Luke Storey: [01:12:58] Rad, that's cool.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:12:58] And for the first time, I'm also certifying coaches at my seminar. We'll talk about that.

Luke Storey: [01:13:03] Great. Okay. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, sometimes I get great people like you on and you have answers and you're like, oh, I'm busy. I'm doing other things. I can't help you. And I always want to make sure that I leave the audience with an actionable step if this resonates with them.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:13:17] I just did a live training and I can give them the thing. If you go to cellulartraining.net, it's a live training webinar and then that will lead you to the program. The webinar is spectacular. You'll hear really in-depth what I do and you'll see me draw it out, but it will lead you to that program. The program is amazing. And the last time I did the show, I didn't have that. To your point, we talk about all these things, and you leave people going, okay, I got to come to the guy's seminar, but no, there's a program for that reason.

Luke Storey: [01:13:50] We'll put all of that you guys in the show notes at lukestorey.com/pompa, P-O-M-P-A. So anything we discussed here, we'll link out in there, including that program. I got a selfish question here, so and I don't know if this is valid based on, as you said, the hair mineral analysis test shows what your body's excreting. 

I got mine and there were no heavy metals except there was really high aluminum. And I'm like, oh, I don't know if that means that it's great because my body is getting rid of it through my hair and that three-month period that we're looking at. But after doing some research, I found that silica is supposedly useful in getting aluminum out. 

So I got this brand called Orgono Living Silica, and it's like a really concentrated, very bioavailable silica. So I've been doing probably four times the recommended dose of that, just drinking it every day. Do you think that that is viable or is that, again, just a downstream fix?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:14:41] Well, I would say this if it was in your hair, you probably were getting it somewhere. Like a dietary source. I don't know how much you drink out of aluminum cans and those things, but you could have gotten it that way. And that would be helpful. Again, I don't think the hair test it was reflecting what was in your brain. It doesn't work that way. But let's hypothetically just say if you had aluminum in the brain, that would not help. It's not that easy.

Luke Storey: [01:15:08] Okay, cool. Good to know. Wah, wah, wah. What about things like ozone and ozone dialysis? I just did a treatment back in Austin at a place called Alive and Well, and it's called EB02.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:15:19] Yeah, I love that EB02.

Luke Storey: [01:15:21] Do you like that?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:15:21] I've done it myself.

Luke Storey: [01:15:22] I felt frickin amazing.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:15:24] My wife, who just left would say, that we do a lot like you. A lot of biohacks, so she said that made her feel amazing for days.

Luke Storey: [01:15:31] Yeah, that was my experience, too. But the practitioner who administered that treatment and for those listening essentially are taking blood out of one arm, running it through a dialysis membrane that's infused with ozone. So you're increasing the capacity for oxygen, and that's running through this thing called the hemoglobin, which is different frequencies of light, which is sterilizing your blood. It goes back in. You do that four or five times. 

One of the things that they mentioned as a benefit, there's a lot of benefits, but they indicated that that would be drawing some heavy metals out of the blood. Do you think that that's a valid assertion or they're just other systemic events?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:16:05] Yeah, I would think not. Even if it was in your blood, you're very transient. Your body was excreting it most likely anyway. But I guess it potentially could get some, but I would not do it for that reason.

Luke Storey: [01:16:22] Okay. You wouldn't be--

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:16:23] I think there's other benefits.

Luke Storey: [01:16:24] Okay.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:16:25] It's not that simple, but that's what I wish.

Luke Storey: [01:16:26] Okay, I wish. Because you're seeing your blood go up in the memory and I'm like, ooh, all those heavy metals are in there now. Bye. 45 minutes later, I'm like, I'm clean. Okay. But it is a really cool treatment. Like I said--

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:16:39] Yeah, a great treatment.

Luke Storey: [01:16:39] Both myself and my wife walked out. I was going, oh, my God, just mental clarity, energy, feeling really good. And it's apparently one thing that it's widely known for more so than the metals is helping people with Lyme and Epstein-Barr and things like that if they do consecutive treatments.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:16:53] I think Doctor Yoshi, is that where you got it?

Luke Storey: [01:16:57] No.

Luke Storey: [01:16:57] Oh, I thought someone told me that you got it. I think it was John, but yeah. So that's who did it on us. Man, was that incredible!

Luke Storey: [01:17:05] Yeah. Yeah. Cool stuff. I love sharing things like that that are fringe but still validating.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:17:10] Yeah, No, I share anything that's helped me, and I feel it was helpful.

Luke Storey: [01:17:14] And it's a couple of grand to do it, which is not accessible for many people, especially people with chronic illness. They've lost their ability to earn a living. But my thought is always, well, the more people know about this, you're going to bring the price down. The Viome testing, for example, was 300 bucks three years ago now it's $97. 

So it's like you scales, modalities like that in their popularity, you have more practitioners, more people are trained, it's more widely available and thus becomes more relevant and also affordable for a wider group of people. 

All right. So I was going to ask you about Viome. I saw something that you had mentioned on your site, and I just interviewed Naveen Jain because it's been a couple of years since we did a podcast. And he has a really broad spectrum of tests now available with his RNA testing. Do you have any experience with that and is there anything in that that pertains to your method of detox?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:18:07] Yeah, I think that microbiome testing, all my doctors I trained do it. I think it really is good to look at especially diversity or non-diversity because if you have a diverse microbiome, that's health, immune health, mental health, health. If you have a non-diverse microbiome, that's lack of health, and the same thing applies. So I think it's fantastic for that. I think it's still a little early. This is me. I love him, I love his testing. 

But to say, oh, you should eat this diet based on your microbiome test. The reason why is I challenge anyone to this do a test a month later, even a couple of weeks later, it's very different oftentimes. And so one of my principles that I teach at diet variation is the way you gain a diversity of your microbiome is change your diet. Every ancient culture on the planet changed their diet because they had to.

Today, because we can eat the same eight foods, we eat the same eight foods because we like it. And it probably was what we thought helped us. But the fact is, forced diet change creates diversity. So I'm not a fan of saying, oh, here's your microbiome, eat this diet. I don't know. It's just not that simple to me. But I think there's other benefits for sure.

Luke Storey: [01:19:29] Okay, cool. And then what about parasites in their relationship to heavy metals? I hear a lot of stuff, and again, I don't know if this is valid, but for example, if somebody has insomnia, particularly during a full moon period, then you'll hear someone say, oh, it's the heavy metals and your parasites are gobbling up the metals or they're excreting toxins or whatever it is. Do parasites have a relationship to your methodology in terms of detox? when is that addressed? And-- 

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:19:56] In my program, the doctors and the coaches are always trained by me to say, listen, when you start pulling metals out, you'll start finding parasites and pathogens come out because they hide in and around the heavy metals to hide from the immune system. So you will deal with parasites, you will deal with different pathogens, whether it be bacteria, viruses, oftentimes Candida.

Look, I could never lower my candida and I kept getting parasites until I got my heavy metal download back to a certain point. It's the terrain. We know the battle. The terrain is everything. So it's what's polluting the terrain, meaning that heavy metals and other toxins we've been talking about really violate the terrain and thereby allowing the parasites in the pathogens to exist. 

It's like you look at these people on farms who are exposed all the time. These countries that don't have it because their microbiome is so strong because it battles these things off every day. So our bodies are meant to do that. However, take those people and give them heavy metals and now they're going to get parasites.

Luke Storey: [01:21:09] Okay. That makes sense. I'm glad we were able to tie that in here. Man, shit, I think we pretty much covered everything that I want to cover. Is there anything that we missed that you think is pertinent to the conversation?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:21:21] I just want to give your viewers and listeners some tips because I mentioned infections and this was in my head, again, I hate mentioning things and then someone's out there with that problem and I didn't give them where they should start. You need a cone beam if you think you might have cavitation. Now, here's a few cautions about a cone beam.

Luke Storey: [01:21:38] A dental--

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:21:39] Any dentist can recommend to give you a script to go get one. Most dentists do not have cone beam and it's a 3D scan. So a 3D x-ray.

Luke Storey: [01:21:47] My dentist, we just did a show with him, which we'll have published before this, Dr. Nunnally, where he described it.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:21:53] Dr. Nunnally does it great. Yeah. And he's a great guy. Not all biological dentists do cavitation work. So that's one of the cautions. He does. Now, not all biological dentists read cone beam correctly. They don't even have the right software. So if you get a cone beam, you don't run to your dentist, your average dentist in particular, and say he'll look at it like a plain film. 

You look fine to me, but you have to have special software and you have to have training on reading it. So it's very important. When I'm dealing with very challenging cases, we want to look at this. We need to look at the mouth and potential hidden infections there. So very important. So we finished out the testing for the three things that we said, hey, look, these three things are very important to really detox correct and test correct. We talked about mold-testing homes. We talked about in the body. And oh, we didn't talk about the visual contrast test. One more thing and then hidden infections, the cone beam, very, very important. 

So mold, good place to start is a visual contrast sensitivity test. So it's what we're doing downstairs. Part of one of the tests we're doing downstairs. When you get a bio-toxic exposure in particular from mold and oftentimes even from these infections, you lose the ability to see contrast these little gray lines.
So we rule out eyesight. We want to make sure your sight is good to see them. But contrast is very different. And when you lose contrast, you'll go, are even lines there? Well, there are. So from the test, we're able to see if you're in a mold exposure, past mold exposure, or maybe an infection. So it's a very good test. Visual contrast. You could start by going to vcstest.com and they now do it online. 

Luke Storey: [01:23:47] Cool. Oh, really? You can do it on your computer?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:23:48] Yeah, they can do it on your computer. It's not as accurate as the one we have in our offices, but it's really a good place to start.

Luke Storey: [01:23:54] Okay, cool. All right, man, I got one more question for you. Who are three teachers or teachings that have influenced your life or your work that you'd like to share with us?

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:24:04] Oh, boy. I can tell you gave credit to Ritchie Shoemaker really because I learned a lot about mold from him. He really deserves that. A guy who passed away, Andy Cutler. Andy Cutler, I always give credit for understanding half-life key letters and the ability of ALA alpha lipoic acid to move inorganic mercury out of the brain. 

The thing with Andy was, is that everyone from his work thought you could just take key letters correctly and get well. And later in Andy's life, I was saying, look, Andy, the key is the cell with dos and keys correctly and you know, he agreed with me there, I believe. 

But anyway, he ended up passing away. But I give him credit because he did such great work that most people today cite his work, but they never give his name. And I always like to say, oh, that's Andy Cutler's work, because it's a piece of what I utilize and knowledge that is very, very important. 

I did thank Joe McCullough and Dave Asprey this weekend for what they do. I said to them both, I appreciate it. I appreciated Joe Mercola for standing up against what most people were afraid to stand up against, and I thanked him for that this weekend. 

I thank Dave, the seminar, what he's done biohacking, putting it on the map, I love giving credit to people who do extraordinary things and a lot of people steal their information. A lot of people don't give them credit and piggyback on them and I want to give them credit on your show. I'm giving them credit.

Luke Storey: [01:25:45] Awesome. Thank you for that. I appreciate that. We got a couple of bonuses in there, too. So we're going to put the show notes at lukestorey.com/pompa. And so anything that you mentioned here any website or anything, I think we're pretty clear on how people can learn more about your work and we'll put it in there. And man, it's great to see you.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:26:02] Great to see you, brother.

Luke Storey: [01:26:02] I love you and your wife. And we've run into each other over the years and it's great to get to hang in, get an update on where you are with your work. So thank you for sharing a lot of valuable information. I appreciate it.

Dr. Dan Pompa: [01:26:14] I love it.

Luke Storey: [01:26:19] All right, my friends, Dr. Dan Pompa has left the building. And I want to thank you so much for spending your valuable time listening to the Life Stylist Podcast. And I'm pretty confident that friend Dan was able to boil down the fundamentals of detox in an actionable manner and that you're ready to put in some work to start this year off right.

Next week's episode is going to be epic. We're hitting you with number 454. It's called Saturate Your Soul Float Therapy and a magnesium bathing to melt stress and meet yourself with Max Cassa. But check this out before we dip out of here. If you want the audio, video, written transcripts, and clickable links from every episode delivered directly to you the moment they're published, here's what I want you to do. Go to lukestorey.com/newsletter and enter your name and email.

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