[00:00:01] Luke: What first led you to get into the world of law?

[00:00:06] Kenneth: Actually, it was an attack on our family by a government agency. We didn't really know anything about it. We just lived normal lives like everyone else. And what happened was we were starting a business. We were young business owners, and it was really hard. Like any young business, you start your business, you know your first two years are make it or break it.

[00:00:30] So it was like the hardest year of all for our entire business. We got audited for the second year. We didn't make any money. It was a very broke year. But what happened was my wife would do this envelope system where she would get a deposit, and she would withdraw the entire deposit because she-- it was back in the day when deals first came out for these buy online deal thing. We were like the first ones to get on that way back.

[00:00:57] This is 2012. So this is like Groupon, those types of things. When it first started, they ran your business for the entirety. So we got audited because of this situation. And it is very simple. The IRS said, "Look, you have deposits of this much money. So we're going to add that onto your income." But we were like, "No, no. Look, we have withdrawals. Look at the withdrawal. 4,000. Look at the deposit. It equals the same amount."

[00:01:23] Because she would put her finances into envelope systems, and this is how my wife would pay it. This is just what she did. So when we got audited, the IRS lady said, prove it. We're like, "Here's the withdraw. There's your proof." She's like, "Yeah, but prove that's the same money that you're depositing." And we're like, "How? The withdraw is the proof." And she said, "That's not enough proof."

[00:01:48] So she doubled our yearly income, essentially enslaving us. And I was shocked that anyone would even have the gall. Why would you do that to someone? That's not right, fair. Everybody thinks the government's here to help you or protect you or guide you into the path like a parent. And then you find--

[00:02:09] Luke: Therein lies the problem.

[00:02:11] Kenneth: And then you find out that's not how it is. It's revenue. So we found Sherry Jackson, I'm sure you're familiar with her work, and she explained how it happened. So I looked into what happened to her. She's a former IRS agent that exposes that type of tactics and what they do and how they're incentivized. And I saw what they did to her and I was like, "Wow." And that led us into it.

[00:02:36] And I actually had a client. He was an international banker for 50 years. And I'm working on his wife. He's just a very well dressed gentleman. I was like, "Bro, I'm so curious. Explain." I was always curious about my clients. I always had very unique clients that'd fly in and do-- it was a rare service that I used to do.

[00:02:57] And so I would get these very unique individuals, and this gentleman started to explain to me all about the international banking and that he was a state national. And I was like, "What is this?" He brings me this packet in from his car, gives me his business card. And from that point on, I told my wife, I was like, we need to know what exactly this is because it just blew my mind what he was talking about.

[00:03:19] He's talking about the international banking that has to do with control mechanisms of populations, things that you can't fathom. You're just like, "Did you see the game?" You're in this hypnosis of the world, and you don't realize the veil in front of your own eyes until someone tells you that's kind enough to give you that time.

[00:03:38] Even though they know you might not be fully ready, they give you a little something and if it hits, like in our case, we were like, "Hey." I told you what we did. We gave our business to our favorite employee once we achieved a certain level of knowledge. And we decided we wanted to share this with everyone because we knew if we could affect change, that we should try.

[00:04:01] And that's literally what we did. I told you the beginning part, it also led in-- a big kick, was when my wife called out-- I told you she called out the local judge for the mask mandates and that we got attacked by seeing how they acted towards us and what he did, sending police. Just the level of corruption and what they could do and how they could harm the people, we wanted to stand up and show people there was a better way.

[00:04:25] So immediately, we started converting things over and learning all about what are our true rights. What's the purpose of us being here? And instead of being in the hypnosis, we started to crack it all. And as a family, we work really good in teams, and we're fast. We're really good off of each other, and everyone has different specialties that compliments each other. So we wouldn't be so good if it wasn't for the whole team.

[00:04:55] Like Gwen, the young one, she's my daughter, but I raised her since she was seven. She's not my blood daughter. But she is, because I raised her more than a lot of my kids, so she is. She's more like my kid than a lot of my kids. And it's crazy. But Gwen, all her stuff as a kid led her into doing what she does now, and she does it so well.

[00:05:16] She's really intelligent with building websites. She's really intelligent with the different aspects that a lot of people are in fear of. Just having the courage and then having the brains to put it all together. Like when they did the law, you couldn't go into the grocery store with your mask.

[00:05:34] When would go in there, she would make the girl shop for her. It was just the nonsense of everything. And watching everyone participate, I was in awe. Family, we must do something. People need us. I'm looking at everyone, and at first I was upset, like anyone. But as you evolve, you realize that everyone's in their own world doing their own thing.

[00:06:00] And as we educated further, we saw the chemtrails. We saw the geoengineering, the stratospherical injection. We saw the level of deception on the people. We saw the food. Because we started to detox our child from vaccines, and a lot of it has to do with food. You see the pictures from the '70s, and everybody's fit and all.

[00:06:20] It is a couple of ingredients, some ultra processed stuff. And next thing you know, everyone's fat and sick. And so as we started to realize the massive amount of attack on everyone, there was no room for anger. We had to have compassion. And that's how we started to change our tactics and how we felt.

[00:06:38] And compassion and education, we felt, was the biggest way to change. And we know that if we can get our message out, that we can affect change. And that's why they're so terrified of genuine truth. Because if you share genuinely, it really resonates with people. They feel the frequency or the vibration of it.

[00:06:57] And they may not know what you're saying, but they'll remember how it made them feel. And genuine, you can't duplicate. People knock off other people's videos, but they can never knock off that frequency that--

[00:07:09] Luke: You can't bite energy, man.

[00:07:11] Kenneth: You can't.

[00:07:13] Luke: And that's such a good point too, is that there's one particular principle or energy that I think is really difficult for people to ignore, and that's freedom. It is just like such a fundamental human value and desire. And if you hear someone that seems to have cracked the code on getting that, whether it's just interpersonal freedom or legal freedom, jurisdictional freedom, when I see people talk about that and it resonates as authentic, it's like, give me more.

[00:07:46] Whatever that is, I want feel like that. You're so right. It's like a feeling. It's not the information. It's the empowerment that the information facilitates. So that's a great origin story. It sounds like you guys were painted into a corner where it was sink or swim kind of thing.

[00:08:09] Like, oh, we're not just going to study this law stuff little on the side, just because it's interesting. You're like, "Okay, we need to fix this situation because it's not right." And you're not just a single guy. You got kids, and there's a lot more at stake. And so that's why I'm super excited to talk to you.

[00:08:26] I've been listening to your podcast for, I don't know, quite a while now, a few months. I'm following you on Instagram. When I see your shit pop up, I'm just like, "Boom." Sharing it with all my friends. So I think that this movement, for lack of a better term-- and we can talk about how we define that movement and who some of the players are.

[00:08:45] But I think that the way the system is designed is to keep us distracted and divided so that we don't actually see behind the curtain at the levers and gears that actually make the matrix work. So we want this president or this politician to come in and save us. Meanwhile, they're all on the same side of the system, right?

[00:09:13] Kenneth: That's the trick.

[00:09:14] Luke: It's like one has a blue hat, one has a red hat. And it's like, "Dude, two wings, same bird. I think that's such an important thing. And so we get wrapped up in-- well, not we, but some people-- QAnon this. And then you have extreme leftists on this side. They're joining Antifa and going in burning shit down. It's all just chaos that's manufactured, I believe, to keep us from knowing information that you're sharing with people.

[00:09:40] Kenneth: Yeah.

[00:09:40] Luke: It's like, cool, what if we learn about ways to correct our political and legal status? We learn what our rights are versus what privileges are, all this. And then it's like, I'm at a point now because I've been, I don't know, a little over a year really diving into all this law stuff. I don't really care who the president is or what shit they're-- I don't care what they're doing because I'm over here keeping myself more and more into the realm of the private.

[00:10:09] And then learning how to operate in the public and in commerce and things like that without taking any privileges that I really don't need. For example, one privilege, and then we can talk more about this whole thing, but I was really excited to get rid of my driver's license because that's one of the most egregious adhesion contracts. It just bugs me.

[00:10:30] Because I'm not participating in commerce. So why would I need a driver's license. I'm not driving, that whole thing. And then I research and research and when I travel I don't do Uber. I got to rent a car. And you can't rent a car without a US driver's license. So I'm just like, "Okay, that's the cost of which I'm willing to accept," which is I'm in a contract with the state of Texas and really federally. But I'm doing it with consent.

[00:11:04] I realize that I've agreed to this contract, I've looked at the options of canceling that contract, which I can do, and I don't want to do that because I want the privilege that comes with it. So imagine-- well, you don't have to imagine because you're helping so many people.

[00:11:20] But I imagine a world where people at least have an understanding of what their contracts are and understanding the legal ease and the spell casting that manipulates them into getting involved in contracts without fully understanding the terms, the transparency. So all that said, to just create a platform for you to be able to share your particular methodology. And as I was telling you earlier, even not having met you, I've already sent a bunch of my friends who--

[00:11:54] Kenneth: That's so cool, dude.

[00:11:55] Luke: To your site. I've looked into a lot of the different gurus and had a number of them on the show. And the ones I've had on, I think, are legit and very helpful to people. But I see a lot of people popping up in the space, and I'm like, "Meh." It's just what you said. It's like something about it feels a little off to me.

[00:12:13] And I've heard stories from people that paid all this money to have people help them with these things and didn't get the results they're looking for and so on. So that's my preface here. What do you think about what I said in terms of the distraction and the division of the left and right thing?

[00:12:32] Because I think everyone knows there's a deep state, but very few people know that there's a deeper state that's running all the people that appear to be in opposition. There's people that whose names we'll never even know in our lifetime that are actually the ones in control. So what's your take on that? And then we'll start to niche down to some of the tactics and stuff.

[00:12:53] Kenneth: It's exactly how it works. What I found to be the truth was quite simple as you track the money. So when we came to the end of the road where we thought, is this politician good or is this politician good? We realized they are all in cahoots because of the money printing abilities. And then when you see the money printers, you'll see how they fund the NGOs.

[00:13:15] Like for example, when they brought in the immigrants. They're taking the money. They're funding it through NGOs. NGOs are using all these different-- even Catholic services. All kinds of different NGOs and bringing in the immigrants. That's money fluctuating to these NGOs in these companies at the taxpayer expense.

[00:13:34] And then you'll see it on the flip side. Now, to kick them out, another taxpayer expense. We got to get a lot of money, and we got to fund it on the way out. And meanwhile, we're all debating about bringing them and kicking them out and all that. They're just racking up all the taxes. Your stuff's skyrocketing.

[00:13:49] And because you're distracted by the circus, you can't see it even happening. And that's the chains that nobody's looking at. And it's the federal reserves. So the federal reserves operate as a whole globally. And the people that come out and expose it, they all pay a heavy price. Karen Hudes, she worked for the World Bank for 20 years, and exposed basically that they created a second constitution.

[00:14:14] And the second constitution is basically where they created the 14th Amendment, federal optional citizenship. But they don't tell you. It's just automatic. Just automatic. Just like the driver's license. It's automatic. Since you accept the gift of the Federal Reserve, fake money, now you got to pay the price and pay taxes.

[00:14:31] Now you're a debt slave. So people don't realize the simplicity in printing money is your labor is devaluing. Every single time they say we're printing money, they're devaluing your labor. We could say products are rising, things are inflating, but the real base of it is your labor, your individual value is dropping.

[00:14:51] So what is that? Slavery. It's just slavery that's redisguised, repackaged up, and it comes with a circus. It's called politics. And so the politics do that bread and circus in order to keep us in some sort of entertainment. It's like a show for them. But like I told you, I wouldn't doubt that they're in the back making out, coming out, high fiving each other, and then debating in front. It's probably Bernie and Trump making out, I don't know.

[00:15:17] Luke: The fist bump was, it was Lindsey Graham and Kamala Harris when they were in a battle on the Senate floor. You know how the cameras will just be running sometimes, even though nothing's in process. And yeah, they meet up. They fist bump. They smile. And I was like, "Oh."

[00:15:35] Kenneth: It's the money printers. They work for them, and it's global. And even the wars, they have Ukraine and Russia. And then they just recently gave more money to Ukraine showing that now the right supports Ukraine too. It's not just the left, but they do that play on people. And the true victim is the people, but they're also the ones that have the power to change it.

[00:15:57] So that's why they are so willing to spend on influence and that's why they're so willing to shadow, ban the true genuine people because they know that if you can influence people, that's the number one. No, no. So that's why they control every single media aspect. Anything I see them bring out where it's popular or trending, I'm always like, I know something's coming.

[00:16:20] Even just the recent stuff, like where, they don't want to bring the Epstein files but they're telling everyone nonstop. And I'm just like, where's this going to-- it's going somewhere. I just don't know where it's going. So anytime they do that, because you know how the money supply works, it all makes sense because when you see Russia, Ukraine, they're going to war, they're just spending money getting us to continue to fight globally, because it's global. It's not just here. We're not the only slaves in the world. It's global. When they kill each other, the military industrial complex is making money off that money printing. But essentially, we're giving up the world we could have. We could have any world we want as the race here, but we're giving it up for an illusion of lies. Because money printers can control the media, the influence, they can control the war machine. And if they just do a false flag in the right way with the right propaganda, next thing you know, we're all sending our children is like go, go, go fight.

[00:17:15] And that's the goal is control. It's not really what they think, most people. It has nothing to do with the right and the left. And that was really hard because we felt more conservative base and we supported that in the beginning until we saw the money printing. And obviously from meeting a guy who worked for international money printers, I was like, yeah.

[00:17:35] So I got lucky that I had that inside area to a very good topic and a very good foundation to figure it out. Because without him, I might not have probably figured it out that that's how it all is structured. It's like the money printers, I was like, damn, it's them. They're so good. I almost admired how sneaky they were. Once I figured it out, I was like, y'all are sneaky, sneaky. I was like--

[00:17:59] Luke: They're not dumb.

[00:18:00] Kenneth: Ooh.

[00:18:01] Luke: They're not dumb. These institutions, you can call them a lot of things, but dumb is not one.

[00:18:10] Kenneth: Yeah. They're not stupid.

[00:18:11] Luke: Sometimes they're reckless. With the plandemic--

[00:18:14] Kenneth: Arrogant.

[00:18:15] Luke: Yeah. Arrogant and reckless. With the pandemic thing, it's like you overshot the target a little on that. Maybe not even accidentally. Who knows how deep the manipulation goes? But it's obvious a lot more people are awake now. You lock people in their houses and shut down their business, and then you start rolling this totalitarian system, these tanks into their freaking town basically.

[00:18:41] What do you think people are going to do? They're going to start doing their research. Same thing with 9/11. That's what woke me up back in the day. I was like, “Wait, what? Why is there no wreckage anywhere? There's supposed to be these planes crashing. Where's all the seats and people and stuff?” Oh, there's a hole in a building. Huh, that's weird. What else is weird?

[00:18:58] And then you start opening up these other portals into deeper levels of truth. But I like where we're going here in empowering people. Because when you start to see the deception and you start to see, as you called it, slavery, which is no offense to people of history that have actually been enslaved physically, but it's more of a free range. It's still slavery, but there's degrees of freedom within the confines of the matrix.

[00:19:32] Kenneth: Yes, that's true.

[00:19:34] Luke: I think the only way out of it, because you can't change the system, is you learn how to operate within it by standing on your rights. And in order to stand on your rights, you have to understand what they are. And then it's like, cool, the matrix can just keep matrixing, and we're over here just living our lives in the private.

[00:19:56] As long as we're not harming anyone else, and we're living by those basic common law or natural law principles, it's like, wow, we don't need to be spending our time and energy fighting with each other or obsessing about what political theater is going on. We could put our time into studying your freaking website, dude. Taking your course. Brandon Joe Williams, whoever it is.

[00:20:19] It's like, wow, what if we took all that energy and all that fear and just went [Inaudible], and funneled it into understanding the law? To me, it's like a no brainer. So breakdown for people, what's the difference between a constitutional right and a privilege? Might be a good way to start.

[00:20:42] Kenneth: Yeah. So the simplest is a right is inherit. You're born with it. And a privilege is you're accepting something for something. So that's the difference. And a privilege can be removed. A right is inherit. It never goes away.

[00:20:58] Luke: You have a right just because you're alive.

[00:21:01] Kenneth: Yes. And when they wrote those certain Bill of Rights, they were meant to protect certain things, and they wrote them in importance. Whatever's priority number one, they put number one. Number two, number two. Number three, number three. Because they knew what was the most important things to be protected for the people. So it seems like the foundational writers, even though a lot of them have shady connections--

[00:21:22] Luke: A bunch of Freemasons.

[00:21:23] Kenneth: Yeah. But some of them, like Andrew Jackson had like really good intentions on protecting people of any race. If we had our Bill of Rights enforced, we would be free. We would be super free. We would be very wealthy. We definitely already have free energy restored. And free energy is a direct competitor to money printers. Money printers had to take out-- if there ever was a free energy here, they had to get rid of that in order to install this.

[00:21:52] Just by going down to the Capitol building, I'm like, "Y'all didn't build that. You liars." Me and my wife were just downtown at the Pearl in San Antonio. Same thing. We see a building halfway dug down. They're going downstairs. Huge blocks. I was like, "That's not from--" But anyways.

[00:22:08] Luke: I've noticed that in Texas. We were driving through Lockhart last week and I was like, "That building doesn't look like any of these other buildings." It's the Tartarian building in the town square, bro. That shit was not built. It was discovered." It's so obvious once you see it. It's like the moon landings. Once you see it, you can never unsee it.

[00:22:30] Kenneth: Yeah. Stanley Cooper did admit to it. But anyways.

[00:22:34] Luke: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:22:35] Kenneth: Yeah. So all of that had to go away in order for them to install all that money printing, but it--

[00:22:41] Luke: With the rights, I think a lot of us, we have a vague idea of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. But I never knew about the 14th Amendment and the-- what was it? The naturalization act, I think it called, where they created the second class of citizen when they were supposed to be freeing the slaves for real.

[00:23:06] They're like, "Yeah, cool. You're free, but you're going to become this other kind of citizen that the Bill of Rights doesn't actually apply to." And then they're like, "Cool, this is working great because it looks like everyone's free, but they're really not. So let's just start rolling everyone into this US citizen status. Right?

[00:23:27] Kenneth: That's what happened.

[00:23:29] Luke: That's the root of this bill, right?

[00:23:33] Kenneth: Yeah. So before the Federal Reserve, which is the money printers that took control here in the US, there was state citizens, and they were aware. Different statuses. State citizens were completely different than federal. And when they did the 14th Amendment, it was all automatic.

[00:23:47] That's all federal citizenship. And so they did it under the guise of like they always do, freedom, liberty, and then you're like, "Oops, slavery." But that's just how they do it. So they rolled it out. Everyone became an optional, and now it just happens automatic. But when you're born, you're born in whatever state you are as a part of that republic.

[00:24:07] So you'd be a Texan, and that would be your state citizenship. And then automatically, now they put the federal because you get registered, and now you're obligated to pay the taxes, pay the federal income tax. And now that individual that would've been a state citizen is now a federal citizen obligated to pay as if you're like a federal employee.

[00:24:25] Luke: Right. With that status, you're like a subcontractor of the US corporation--

[00:24:34] Kenneth: That's it.

[00:24:35] Luke: --located in the District of Columbia. It's like you live in the District of Columbia and you work for the government.

[00:24:41] Kenneth: Because it's a subsidiary. It's like a program. It's like a LLC, a corporation, and they could have subsidiaries everywhere. So it's like a tentacle reaching out. And even though there's a land and there is a jurisdiction that exists, they overlaid a corporate paper lay and they said, "This is real."

[00:24:58] And now we all accepted it. And because our foundation is governed by consent and it's actually written in the Declaration of Independence that we as a population, even though we have these guarantees, they're only guaranteed if the people know them and they stand up for them. The moment they say it's not a guarantee, it's the moment they stop standing up for them.

[00:25:17] So somewhere along the line, they're able to get rid of the fact that our money was backed by gold, that was the biggest blow to everyone. And if they could do that, then they just continue on. Now you're wearing masks, close your business down. Walmart stays open, and everyone's cool with it.

[00:25:31] So I know it's not changing because if you keep watching-- I was telling you, here in Austin, how they're setting up-- and they call it smart cities everywhere. Austin signed on, and now they get the mayor to implement these agendas from multinational corporations, and now the United Nations or the World Economic Forum doesn't necessarily have to come in here and do it because there are mayors doing it, who's elected.

[00:25:56] And that's how they do it. They're subverting and doing things like that, and they've just been doing it. So it never really stops. It continues on in a new direction that people aren't prepared for and they'll just keep the divide and distraction, like you started with, going to the point of full control.

[00:26:13] And that's what they really, truly want. So the goal is as much education and unity as possible before that happens. So that if anything were, we could help each other. Because we literally live in the world that we decide. We decide this world by our action or our inaction. And if we want, we could have heaven on earth. We could have Capitol buildings like the one downtown built again.

[00:26:37] Luke: Right, right.

[00:26:40] Kenneth: But we don't.

[00:26:41] Luke: It doesn't have to be a box.

[00:26:43] Kenneth: There's a thing for that too. If you just see ugly stuff, it's in your core. If you live in a dirty house, it's in your core. You can't live like that because it reflects you on the inside. Because how you keep your area is a direct reflection of you.

[00:26:58] So if you're filthy, dirty, lazy, and you don't think high of yourself, guess what your house is going to look like. The same way. So we know this, and we really want to bring the education and teach people even more unique stuff that just empowers each individual because we stay close to the constitution. We don't really want to stray too far.

[00:27:17] And the reason is, is just because we've realized, if those guarantees aren't enforced, and we can get the people to realize that they deserve it, if we can do that, we change everything. Because that unites people. It doesn't matter if you're right, left. If you have a guarantee, let's enforce it. And once that happens and we affect the collective, then we can really do something powerful.

[00:27:39] Luke: I think also, one of the major aspects of the psyop in terms of the division is leading people to believe that their values are so fundamentally different from the other. It's othering them. I think fundamentally, all humans, no matter what their nationality, if they're more liberal, conservative, everyone loves their kids. Everyone wants a certain degree of freedom.

[00:28:12] Everyone believes in equality. Everyone believes in just the fundamental right to do what you want to do with your life. You know what I mean? It's just like the basic shit. It's how humans are born. But things get so radicalized that it creates this false perception that we actually agree on very little when we actually-- I think most humans agree fundamentally.

[00:28:36] There's outliers that are just completely psychos and people that have no integrity, right? But your average person, what we would call like the middle ground, is probably 90% of people. And then you have some loud mouths on either side of the spectrum. But it's like, I don't care what you believe politically, socially, culturally. I don't care. If you're a cool person, you're honest, you have integrity, you're kind, you're compassionate, we're good.

[00:29:07] Kenneth: Yeah.

[00:29:07] Luke: And I think most people are like that.

[00:29:09] Kenneth: I agree.

[00:29:10] Luke: And most people don't want to infringe on the rights of other people or have their rights infringed upon. And it's like, that's the unifying message. And I think that's what's really cool about us. Starting to empower ourselves by putting a little time and effort into our education. Going back to the history, because I find it really interesting of like, what were the biggest bricks in the pure middle matrix? It's 1871, 1913, the Federal Reserve creation, 1933.

[00:29:45] Kenneth: 1907 too.

[00:29:48] Luke: Oh, what happened then?

[00:29:49] Kenneth: So they crashed the stocks in order to get people to accept the Federal Reserve. There's always a chaos and then the order comes. That's their operation.

[00:29:58] Luke: Problem-reaction-solution.

[00:29:59] Kenneth: And then so '33 was '29 when the depression hit. So they depressed the people, starved them out, and then they hit them with the, "We're taking your gold."

[00:30:08] Luke: The Emergency Banking Act.

[00:30:10] Kenneth: Even with us, they hit us with the lockdowns. Now what's coming? Social credit system, digital currency. Everything's going digital. They already passed it. They're building it right here in Texas. And yeah, so it's like problem-solution. We're here to save you. But we did blow it up. But anyways.

[00:30:29] Luke: Yeah. So let's talk about-- oh, another one was 1935, the Social Security Act.

[00:30:39] Kenneth: Yeah. And 1971 too.

[00:30:41] Luke: Yeah, yeah. When they cut the gold out completely at that point.

[00:30:45] Kenneth: That's it.

[00:30:45] Luke: Yeah. So over the past, 100-whatever years, there's a few touch points that I think are really important for people to understand. Not that you can do anything about it, but it helps, again, to unify us. That wasn't a leftist doing something to the right-wing population or vice versa.

[00:31:04] This is the deeper state above the deep state using the deep state players as pawns. And then we are fighting over which pawns are doing what. When, meanwhile, it's like, no, there was a systemic change to our entire society where fake money was created.

[00:31:19] And then we get this Social Security number and birth certificate. And now we have a dualistic commercial law that's been superimposed over the law of the land, the geographic area that we think is America. There's now a corporate overlay called the United States corporation.

[00:31:39] And then you're Kenny over there, but there's a dual Kenny that is a commercial entity, and there's a dual LUKE STOREY in the all caps name that I thought was me my whole fucking life until a few years ago. And I've been answering to that and having no ownership or agency over it.

[00:31:57] So these, to me, are really important fundamentals to understand. You don't have to obsess on them. And just knowing them isn't going to change anything. But I think it really helps us to zoom out and go, "Okay, this thing's super rigged. But I'm in it, and I can't really change it, so how do I operate within it?"

[00:32:15] So that's what I want to talk to you about. But before that, back in the day when I became aware of some of these things, like the all caps name and all this stuff-- maritime law versus law of the land, natural law, this kind of stuff, common law-- it's like the people that were teaching it were super obscure and they were older dudes that were Boomer patriots or even older than Boomers. No one had a website.

[00:32:48] You'd hear Jordan Maxwell talk about the birth canal and you're a vessel, and it's like, whoa, I know this is true. You can't refute it because you can actually back it up. But then it's like, well, what do you do? Okay, I guess you just live with it. Over the past couple years, cats like you and a few others that have been on the show and many that haven't are coming out with a path forward.

[00:33:11] It's like, hey, we've created education. We've created templates for legal documents. We have different processes by which you can correct your status and so on. It's exciting, but it's challenging because I think there have been a lot of bandwagon jumpers who know some of the information and are literally just out to fleece people.

[00:33:34] And I've heard some stories of people spending a lot of money getting themselves into trouble legally, or just having shit not really work the way it's supposed to. So that's why you're sitting here. As I said, you're someone, I'm like, "No, I think this cat is actually legit and really cares and wants to help people. And based on what you guys charge, you could be charging way more, and you don't.

[00:33:55] Kenneth: Yeah, we don't.

[00:33:56] Luke: I'm not suggesting you do, but--

[00:33:57] Kenneth: No, we never will.

[00:33:58] Luke: If you're going to like, give people a trust template for 50 bucks when someone else is charging 10, 20, 40 grand, that tells me something. So give me your take-- I'm sorry, I'm getting so excited. I'm talking way too much. I apologize to the audience too, but I'm very passionate about this. Because I really think it's so key to our freedom.

[00:34:17] Give me your take on the thought leaders in this space. And you don't have to name names. This isn't about shit talking. But it's like, how can people vet who they should be listening to, what they should focus on? What you've seen since you came out as someone who's teaching this information.

[00:34:35] Kenneth: That's a tough one because you know I know a lot. I know a lot because I dealt with people personally, and what I found was not everything is the truth. Some people are intentionally using financial situations because they know people are in need of finances. So they'll say things like, "I have access to this Cestui Que Trust."

[00:34:56] Luke: Oh, I have the black card.

[00:34:58] Kenneth: Come take my class for $150. Those types of things, I wanted to know, was it true? But just thinking about it, how could it be true? But getting to the bottom of it, it's not true. And that's hurtful because people are in this space to find truth and then they find deception. It's not fair.

[00:35:17] So it is common, but this is the trick. If you want to know what works is you have to follow the system, how it works. How does the system work currently that makes you free? There's financial rules. There's financial laws. There's financial codes. But what actually protects you?

[00:35:37] Where is your rights found? And a lot of it is in your labor. Most people want to protect their labor. And if they could just get away from paying federal income taxes or not a federal employee, they'd be happy. Or if they could just retain their labor, period. So what we found is there is a way to opt out of federal citizenship that follows the Constitution and doesn't cause hiccups or problems.

[00:36:00] And then also, I've done traveling. And I think we're closely related to a version of what Carl Miller would be. Because Carl Miller's a very good litigator, but he never talks about status. He just says, and sticks on, "This is wrong. This is wrong, this license. You're licensing a right, and you convert it into a privilege unlawfully, so I don't have to do it according to the Supreme case law."

[00:36:22] I like that. I like that because Constitution is where everyone's heart's at. Everyone believes they bled and died and this is what our stuff is built upon. So using that, it has more fire and more power for people too. So we try to stay close to that. And what we've done is utilizing the constitutional right self-determination.

[00:36:42] And once we realize federal citizenship's optional, we just opt out of the federal citizenship. And a lot of people think, oh, I lose everything. I lose my Social Security. Oh, here's a good one. Mothers, you have a handicapped child. You're on federal assistance. What can I do? Can I still correct my status?

[00:37:01] I still need to get stuff from the state. That's a tough one. Or your situation, a driver's license. I can't rent a car. I have to cross an international border, so there's no way without a driver's license. So I had to have it in order to cross into Mexico and cross--

[00:37:16] Luke: You couldn't use a passport card?

[00:37:18] Kenneth: You can, but if you don't have the driving part, they can actually jerk with you. You can get through with the passport too. But sometimes it just depends on who you're dealing with. I had one guy that felt so bad. He felt so bad for what I told him because they left the border open. And that's his job. It's their job as the federal agents to get together and say, "Hey, this is egregious violation. Let's get together. Let's do something."

[00:37:44] The top were involved, of the echelons. The little guys were just following orders, and he let me go through the border with an entire trailer loaded going through from Mexico to Texas. Didn't even search it. That's unheard of because he was trying to tax me for it.

[00:38:00] And I was like, "This is from America, bro." And he said, "You're walking a fine line." And I told him, "You're walking a fine line, leaving our border open." He said, "That's why I'm here." I normally wouldn't say that, but the way he was telling me I'm walking a fine line for taxes, and I just watch him open up the border and let 22 million people through, I did say that, but I realized he's a very good man because he felt so bad.

[00:38:27] When I said that his demeanor changed. He felt guilty. He's like, "Damn, I was following orders that was wrong." He looked so sad. He just said, "Just go." And I was like, "Just go where, to the x-ray?" He said, "Just go." And I called my wife, "Oh my God, they let me go through the border with no check."

[00:38:48] And that's because they know what they did was wrong deep down because they know it's wrong. They search us for nothing, and yet they're going to let all these people. And we see them. When we come through, back when it was open, they would walk them straight through these doors. You don't need an ID.

[00:39:03] So they throw their ID down and they have these NGOs funding these contracts. In Texas, he's Republican, and he's fighting Biden to kick him out. But here's the bread and circus. His friend got the contract to bust them out 5,000 ahead. So his friend got a billion-dollar contract. So while we're fighting, yeah, send them to the blue states, they're using our anger to invade us. It's like a double-edged sword when it comes to the division for how smooth they are. And when you see it--

[00:39:34] Luke: And the people involved are actually being used like pawns and victimized. Right?

[00:39:39] Kenneth: Totally.

[00:39:41] Luke: That's the thing about the-- total side tangent here. But the thing about all the immigration drama is the United States Corporation and the global military industrial complex has systematically for probably hundreds of years, gone to all of these different countries, Central America, South, etc.

[00:40:03] Basically went into collusion or bribery or one-sided deals with corrupt politicians there, and basically, they sold out their people and their natural resources. So it's like the tentacles of this deep state go to these resource-rich countries that have beautiful cultures and beautiful people, totally annihilate them, put into poverty, and then use the population that they put into poverty over all of these decades as political pawns with all these fucking border games.

[00:40:43] And then again, you got the left and the right, fighting. Oh, we need to [Inaudible]. It's like, dude, how did those people get in that position to begin with? These people that were hunter-gatherer, people just like us ages ago. And that the colonialism came in and went, "No, we're going to basically enslave all those people." And now they're the ones that are actually suffering the most. It's just crazy, dude.

[00:41:06] Kenneth: Yeah. Like Hawaii, when I dug as far as I could down, I thought, hey, we stole it. I kept looking and digging, and I made great videos about it. Did a ton of good research about it. And then by the end of it, the brother, the last king and the last queen, the last queen married a white Freemason, 33rd degree. The last brother, 33rd degree Freemason.

[00:41:29] So I say, if you just put the pieces together, it's like everywhere else. Somehow we get sold out. And it's no different than you see our politicians selling this all out. And once we realize collectively you have a soul, I'm talking to you. All of us just have to realize that we're more valuable and more special being different.

[00:41:49] And if we could just come together as a collective, there's no stopping us. They could rebuild Hawaii, remake a native, respeak their language if they could just unite. And I know it's hard because they create the division. Now, they hate the people moving in because they're causing all their housing prices to skyrocket, and then they can't live there.

[00:42:09] So these people that print, they create that chaos. And it hits me hard because I wonder like, how hard would it be to truly show everyone, look at what they've done to us. They take someone good and another someone good, and they got so much money and so much structuring and intelligence that they can make us hate each other.

[00:42:29] When both of them are good to their core, they just have different values, and they exploit that to the point of us losing our freedom and hating each other. So now we're walking in a state of hate or vibration some parts of the day because of what's happened to our culture over time. And that's just how they've done it forever, it seems like.

[00:42:46] And I really want to see an end to it. And I don't like everybody. Nobody does. But at the core of us, we're good. At the core of us, if I see someone in need, I'm always going to help, always. There's just no way around it. It's in my soul. So that doesn't mean if you assault me, you're going to get away with it. You know what I mean? That's just how I am.

[00:43:08] Luke: Yeah.

[00:43:08] Kenneth: And I think majority of us are like that. We're good people.

[00:43:12] Luke: I think that's what is appealing to me about the general premise of common law, right?

[00:43:18] Kenneth: Yeah. Has to be a victim.

[00:43:20] Luke: Exactly. It's the golden rule. It's exemplified. It's just, don't infringe on anyone else's rights. Don't commit violence on anyone. Don't defraud anyone. Just don't be a total dick. It's pretty simple. You know what I mean?

[00:43:35] Kenneth: I got a good one for you.

[00:43:35] Luke: And so it's like, if I'm not doing any of those things, I'm not that excited about getting some code violation or infraction when I haven't hurt anyone. I haven't even endangered anyone, let alone hurt anyone. And that's the commercial law, the maritime law thing that I find so repugnant. Because fundamentally, on its face, it's just not right.

[00:44:01] Kenneth: You know it's not right.

[00:44:02] Luke: Yeah. The codes and statutes of commerce should only apply to non-living entities, like it's supposed to.

[00:44:14] Kenneth: Corporations, businesses. Here's a good one. How many laws, ordinances, and fines do you think the average American has to abide by without getting imprisoned or fined?

[00:44:26] Luke: Oh my God. Tens of thousands?

[00:44:28] Kenneth: Over. 300,000. And think about it. If they can just take the system and the structure and they say, "Look, let's make 10,000 more laws this year." How much more prisons can they build? Why is America so advanced yet we have the biggest prison population in the world? Because it's profitable. And this particular system currently is being designed out of a control mechanism, and people can't even see it. It's coming around the corner. And the fact that we have this massive prison population, why?

[00:44:55] Luke: Who, by the way, are doing basically free labor for corporations?

[00:45:00] Kenneth: Yeah. It's the only thing.

[00:45:02] Luke: That's another slight of hand.

[00:45:03] Kenneth: It's in the Constitution. It says that there's no slave labor unless you're in prison. If you're in jail, yeah. We're going to go ahead. So there was a clip of-- he was a sheriff, so he's working at a county jail, and he said, "Look, we don't want to let these people go because then we're losing good workers."

[00:45:19] And we're like, "You're missing the point of why you're there, dude. You're there to help these people, not to hold them as slaves forever. And that's what he said on-- and this is the thing. How do you convince someone who's supposed to be helping people be the sheriff, convince them to enslave these men?

[00:45:34] Where does that mindset come from other than this system that has programmed us into this paradigm where we're the slaves and the slave masters? And he's the perfect example. And I made videos about that sheriff when he said it because it's shocking that he could say it. I was like, "Do you realize what you're saying?"

[00:45:51] And clearly, he has no clue. That was a white sheriff. Here's a brother sheriff, and he says that he's there to defend the government. Nothing about the constitution. And when I made his video, they banned me so quick on that, and they blocked it and shut it down and was like, yeah, it's because he messed up and said the wrong thing. He said, "We're not here to defend the constitution." He said, "We're here to defend the government." And he said it backwards. And I was like--

[00:46:15] Luke: It's actually true though. If they're enforcing commerce, if they're policy enforcers--

[00:46:22] Kenneth: That's what it's come to.

[00:46:23] Luke: I think they're supposed to sign something along the way that has something to do with their bond that--

[00:46:30] Kenneth: For some sheriffs, they have an umbrella bond, and the main sheriff holds it, and the main sheriff ensures all of them. So they--

[00:46:38] Luke: Oh, so each particular sheriff doesn't have their own? Oh, that’s interesting.

[00:46:41] Kenneth: Only the main sheriff does, and it's not even that much. It's like 30 grand. But those sheriffs, they do sign an oath to the Constitution, but they don't know what it is. They don't know what the constitution is to tell you if this is a right-- they just do what they're told. And the moment that they're not doing what they're told and they're ready to just be like, look, I want to know what is all this really about, that's when it changes.

[00:47:06] I took a pin camera, told the judge I was speeding. He took a break and went and read the documents, came back out, and he dismissed the case. And the prosecutor's like, "Your Honor, he admitted he did it." He said, "Yeah, but--" We can't establish if the officer was over here or if the officer was over there. We don't know jurisdiction. So we're going to go ahead and dismiss it.

[00:47:29] And he said, "Look, young man. This isn't about your paperwork. We just can't establish jurisdiction." But before he did that, he told the officer that he could leave. So the officer never saw any of that interaction.

[00:47:41] Luke: Oh, interesting.

[00:47:42] Kenneth: And then it all got thrown out and I was like, "I know it exists. I see it exists." There's a lieutenant colonel that did a lot of right to travel stuff, just like Carl Miller did. And a lot of wins because at the depth of it, they know. Judges know we shouldn't be treated like commercial property.

[00:47:59] And when you have 300,000 codes, ordinances, statutes that make everyone, this dog and pony show of some type of debt slave, it's really hard for a good judge to see through it. When you have someone who puts you on the spot with such a-- you feel it in your heart. You feel like, damn, I should be doing this. But it's just the way it is. It's how the system is. It's a commercial system.

[00:48:25] And another guy that I know recently was telling me, hey, I talked to two constitutional lawyers of mine, and he says, you're right. It is a commercial system. I was like, "I told you." And that's the problem. If we could just be treated like real people and not have our labor taxed, we're not supposed to have any of our labor-- that doesn't exist. It's not supposed to exist, even for products. They only taxed things that were not essential.

[00:48:48] All your essentials weren't taxed back in the day. 16th Amendment, even the guy-- that was 1913 too. They did the income tax and then they also did the 16th amendment at the same time. Because then that's how they collect for the money printers. And the guy who discovered that, he worked for the IRS in Chicago, and he was an investigator, and he decided to go with another guy, and he was a pilot too.

[00:49:13] And he flew to all the different states. He went to their certified copies and purchased every single certified copy of the 16th Amendment ratification and proved none of it was correct. And then when he went to federal court, they took him to court because they went to shut down his book called The Law that Never Was.

[00:49:29] And I found this from the former IRS agent, Joseph Banister, that won. He's the only person who won in court for going to court, didn't pay. And they charged him with a couple of felonies, and he beat his case because his superior officer said, "Hey, I can't state the law that makes the average American liable to pay taxes."

[00:49:46] And because of that statement, the jury nullified it, and he beat his case. He's the only one. I told you it's the attorney here in Bernhoft Law that got him off. But that's just how the whole thing works, and it's crazy.

[00:50:02] Luke: With information like this now starting to get out, which I think is so exciting-- and I'm going to put your Instagram in our show notes, lukestorey.com/statenational. Because a lot of stuff you're describing, you do really great videos on this.

[00:50:18] Kenneth: Yeah.

[00:50:19] Luke: So I think it's largely a positive thing. I said there's some people out there that I've heard and suspect maybe aren't that in integrity and are preying on desperate people that are in tough situations. But I think an important distinction here, in your lane, obviously, state nationals rock, is that's your process.

[00:50:38] And we can explain more what that is. But when some people hear this information, they categorize it, including law enforcement and judges and things. When people are belligerent or they just are rattling off, parroting some shit they've heard-- I'm not driving, I'm traveling-- this kind stuff, arguing with cops on the side of the road, there's two distinctions. There's the sovereign citizen movement and then there's what everyone that I support and I'm excited about are doing. And there seems to be a big difference.

[00:51:11] So could you break down, what the sovereign citizen thing is? Because I think a lot of people are spoiling things for the people that are trying to do things lawfully and really educate themselves in an adult, respectable way. Versus just people screaming at the police trying to assert their rights when they don't even know what they are, where they came from.

[00:51:34] Kenneth: Yeah. Most people really just seem to latch on and want freedom really bad and see a lot of it. And I did the same thing. I was able to win every single time and deal with pretty good officers and judges. But a lot of times what happens is whenever people learn something, they jump on it. And traveling is one of the harder things because the cops aren't trained for it.

[00:51:55] And the judges definitely don't like it if you don't do it in a positive way that makes them feel compassion. You have to angle it at the right angle because if you don't, they really don't like it. So sovereign citizens pretty much are labeled by the government. They did that in order to create that name to separate people from wanting to learn their constitutional rights.

[00:52:18] The difference is there's a lawful due process that does exist. And what we do as state nationals is we follow the lawful due process so that everything's considered admissible evidence for court. The goal was to become really good on the offensive side. And so what we did is we would look at tactics of people and we said, "Look, can you go in there and play offense using this tactic?"

[00:52:42] No. Can I stand behind the bar? Say, "I'm not crossing the bar. I have this right. I have that." You can't play that role on offense. So I didn't want to learn it on defense. So that's how I figured it. I figured if it works in litigation on the offensive side, then it's good on the defensive side.

[00:52:59] But a lot of people, they'll tell you these defensive tactics that would never work. And so what I was getting at is if I needed to go into litigation because, say, a credit card company stole 10 grand from me, and now I'm over here doing these tactics that people teach that are sovereign citizen-style tactics, you could never go to litigation and protect yourself.

[00:53:20] So they're selling these tactics, but they're not thinking about you. They don't care that you have a way to defend yourself. So when we focus solely on constitutional-based tactics, litigation that has to do with the actual system, we're able to go and really defend ourselves. And that's why we created-- we had a artificial intelligence that we created that utilizes due process, and it analyzes for due process errors.

[00:53:46] So a lot of people, that's what they want. They want freedom of some sort, and they get caught up in a system that enslaves them, and they want out, but there's a gatekeeper. It's called a lawyer. And if you get a court appointed lawyer, you're screwed. You're just screwed. They get paid $150 typically. They do vary.

[00:54:03] Sometimes they'll charge you after the fact, 20 grand, 10 grand. They'll put a lien on you for it. So I had one lawyer, and I found, and he said, "Look, it's a means against the poor. If a rich guy comes in, he's getting off. A poor guy comes in, I don't get paid enough to give him the amount of time it takes to do the research to give him a good counsel. I can't do it.

[00:54:22] And so no matter how much I want, he says, "This system is designed against the poor." And so when we realized that, we created that tool that empowers everyone, and it's programmed with due process. It's programmed with constitution. And so the difference would be, are you following constitution? Can you go stand up and sue someone if they take your money from you?

[00:54:41] All right, you're good. If you're on the other side, you're getting arrested; they're breaking your windows out; you're not sure what to do; when it comes to litigation, you're screwed. It doesn't work that way. So sovereign citizens fall in those categories, and a lot of times they are mad. And it happens.

[00:54:58] And I try to have as much compassion and be like, "Look, you have to learn and really focus on yourself and try to avoid the angry parts of it, because you're going to learn stuff that might make you angry. But don't let that flower within you." Flower who you really want to be and be the person you really want to meet.

[00:55:16] And so if you can do that and become that, when you meet these people, when you speak with them, you'll have great success. And I'll give you a great example. We have our host on our podcast, Steve. Very intelligent, very smart.

[00:55:28] Luke: He's funny. I like that guy.

[00:55:30] Kenneth: He talks a lot of stuff. But he wanted to get his lamb patent. So instead of using these brute force tactics, he's smart. He's like, "Let's use some brains." He called down there, "Hey ladies. I'm doing a school project. I need to get some history reports on my title of my land. Y'all ladies need any coffee?" And they're like, "Oh, no, no." So he goes up there. I think he still brought them coffee anyways, and he's looking for his land patent.

[00:55:54] He wants to see when it was last transferred. And he wants it for his own personal use. But he says it's a class project. Utilizing these intellectual skills, God gave us this big, beautiful brain. We should use it. We shouldn't just fall victim and just throw it out there and get beat up by cops and think like, oh, I did the best I could.

[00:56:10] No, you're smarter than that. You're better than that. You just got caught slipping, and that's what happens for all of us. So what people need to do is when they fall, don't worry about that. Just get back up and keep going and keep going and keep going. Because I was tricked, and I didn't let that just stop me.

[00:56:25] Oh, David Strait's fraud. What am I going to do? Or whoever. It could be anybody. And that's just how they are. You don't stop. You just keep going, keep getting better, keep getting smarter, and keep working harder. And that determination is what will set you free. Nothing else. It's all within you.

[00:56:41] That's why God made you. That's why God puts you here for this time, for this place. And once people realize that and put all that energy into themselves, they'll find the freedom they're looking for. And sovereign citizen tactics, it's half government, half idiot. And then the other half is constitution. People do a lot of different tactics, and there's not really one way right now.

[00:57:04] There's a lot of ways. As our movement, we stick close to the constitution and to our right to self-determination, opting out of federal citizenship and opting out of federal income taxes, operating out of a trust. And a lot of things, when it comes to driver's license, we explain both sides. You choose. If you choose not to, these are the consequences.

[00:57:24] Be prepared for litigation. And we want you to be well informed. Some people want to do it and some people are good at it. Some people aren't, and they shouldn't be doing it because it just causes more harm than good. And in the end, if you're going to be more free, you're not going to be more free, more broke. You're not going to be more free, more tied up in litigation that you're not ready for.

[00:57:42] So we want people to go with the flow of themselves and to guide them. So what we offer people is we'll do your first step. We'll show you the first step where you opt out of federal citizenship because it's optional. And when I say the state citizenship part, this is what I figured out.

[00:57:58] They don't tell this. There's nationalities that apply to every citizenship, and the nationality is typically connected to the land, and it has to do with the creation of God because that's the nationality of the people. So we don't claim the state citizenship. We do know it exists. We claim the nationality, and that's why it's called state national.

[00:58:19] So the government has to uniformly write their documents, their instructions across all their different Department of Education, DOJ. So they create a book to uniform all of their texts, and it's called the Government Style Manual. The latest edition is 2016. On page 95, it has the nationalities that are recognized, all of them, and they're all the republics.

[00:58:41] So we claim that nationality, and on this document, we remove our optional federal citizenship. So it being your first right comes from God, and it's in your mind. It's called free will. The second one written on paper is called self-determination, and it's written in the Declaration of Independence, called consent of the governed.

[00:59:03] So when we realize consent of the governed is derived from self-determination, we know it's our fundamental rights. So when we do that, that allows us to do all lawfully, legally within the Constitution. And so by self-determining, opting out of the federal citizenship, we found case law, like Kitchens v. Steele. It shows federals, optional and state exist. And so that was the key. I was like, "Look, I found it."

[00:59:29] Luke: That's it.

[00:59:29] Kenneth: Yeah, that's it.

[00:59:30] Luke: Do you have a link to that we could put in the show notes?

[00:59:33] Kenneth: Kitchens v. Steele--

[00:59:34] Luke: Or is it something we could just find?

[00:59:36] Kenneth: Yeah, you can just find it. That case alone will pop right up. Kitchens v. Steele shows that there's--

[00:59:40] Luke: That's a really important piece.

[00:59:43] Kenneth: There's multiple. It's in our document.

[00:59:45] Luke: Just like you said, everyone that gets into this space is going to have their own goals, priorities, and also temperament. I don't like confrontation. You know what I'm saying? I'm not the guy who wants to argue with a freaking policy enforcer on the side of the road.

[01:00:02] There's a part of me that does. I'm traveling and not rolling down my window and just pressing my passport card against the glass and I don't answer questions. I want to talk to my lawyer. I know what to say and not say and do and not do. But if-- no pun intended-- if push came to shove, I'm probably just going to cave. I hate to admit that, but it's like, dude, it's loud on the side of the freeway. I don't want to sit there for an hour and a half and get the supervisor.

[01:00:35] Is the juice worth the squeeze when it comes to something like that? Is it really worth my time even going to court to get out of $150 ticket just based on principle? Maybe, but maybe not. Because I might be able to do something else with my day that day that's way more fun, where I could make 300 bucks.

[01:00:56] Kenneth: I agree.

[01:00:57] Luke: But this is up to each person. And so for me, I want to know all of this stuff, like what's actually happening when a policy enforcer for the city that I live in, who works for a corporation, which is the city I live in, which is a subsidiary of the corporation of Travis County, which is the--

[01:01:19] Kenneth: It just goes all the way up.

[01:01:21] Luke: Say the corporation of DC. It's like, oh, that's really good to know. And what's actually happening on a fundamental level is they're trying to extort money from me. That's not even real money.

[01:01:34] Kenneth: Yeah.

[01:01:35] Luke: It's currency. So knowing all that is really cool. And if I wanted to stand on that and I'm willing to take the hit to my nervous system, then it might be of value. But if I don't know any of that, then I'm just like, "Okay, sir. Yeah, my name is-- and my residence is here." They're using all the spell cast you on me. When were you born? All the shit they do. They're just contracting, contracting, contracting.

[01:02:04] Kenneth: They don't even know.

[01:02:05] Luke: Yeah. Again, it's just how they're trained. It's just like school teachers don't know they're indoctrinating you. They could be a really beautiful person and they're just teaching what they've been taught teach. But I think it's empowering to have the information and then you choose your own adventure. Maybe someday I will push the envelope a little if I get pulled over and I'll just play with it. I don't answer questions. See what happens.

[01:02:25] Kenneth: We're going to rename you Luke Skywalker now.

[01:02:28] Luke: There you go. There you go. Do I want to get pulled out of the car and then have a really good tort claim against them and make a bunch of money? Maybe, maybe not. Probably not. It's not really how I want to spend my time.

[01:02:41] But my point is getting educated by people like you and others that are really just teaching things that are fundamentally true and verifiable, and you've got case law to support it. Then each person could choose how they want to roll. Maybe for someone, it's just like, wow, I don't want to evade taxes because that would be illegal, but what if I can legally avoid taxes because I'm not in the jurisdiction of a US taxpayer, of the US corporation?

[01:03:09] Kenneth: Or structure it. You can structure things.

[01:03:12] Luke: That probably is enough for most people. So think as people, anyone listening that's gotten into this stuff or is now curious and you've never heard of any of it, it's like my advice would be take it very slow because it's very overwhelming. Once you get into this stuff, you're just like, "Oh my God, I have to do it all." That's how it was for me.

[01:03:33] I'm like, "I'm doing everything." And then I go, "What are the most important things that I really want to address based on my lifestyle, my values, what my wife's comfortable with or not, and so on. And it's like I feel like now I'm continuing to learn, but I have enough information to know what my particular path is forward based on my lifestyle, goals, values, temperament, etc.

[01:03:58] And I'm not trying to fight the goddamn government. I just want to low key life that is private as I can and just do my thing. I'm not a bulldog. Brandon Joe Williams, he's a bulldog. He loves that shit. He loves to fight. He wants to go to court. He wants to litigate. He's a different kind of guy, a different kind of animal. And good for him. Thank God there's people like that.

[01:04:19] Kenneth: Yeah, for sure.

[01:04:21] Luke: But I think your approach is cool because you're not doing it for people in a way that's going to get them in trouble, because they don't know what the hell you're doing.

[01:04:31] Kenneth: Yeah.

[01:04:32] Luke: But you're providing a path that's been proven. Oh, okay. Next comes this step, then that step, then this step. If you want to go super crazy, you can take this further, but you don't need to, that kind of thing.

[01:04:45] Kenneth: It's structured for that.

[01:04:46] Luke: Yeah. Because it can be overwhelming, man. Take it from me. You start going crazy because there's too many options on the menu.

[01:04:54] Kenneth: Yeah. And people don't know what's right and everybody's trying to exercise their rights. Because there's this innate thing in you about freedom. And as you're catching on, you're looking in all directions, and then you're overloaded. That is exactly what happens. And I know what you're talking about because I remember--

[01:05:09] Luke: I've been through it, dude. And listening to all the different players. It's like, I listen to your podcast. I go, "Wow, this sounds like a very straightforward, simple kind of thing." And then you got someone else over here that's doing a different way. Brother Truth, I had on the show.

[01:05:24] Kenneth: I like him. He's legit. I really like--

[01:05:25] Luke: He's dope. He's into all this tribal stuff. He's got discharging down.

[01:05:30] Kenneth: I shared Joe’s video.

[01:05:31] Luke: Oh, thank you. Yeah. So I hear him and I'm like, "Oh, what?" It gets overwhelming. So I think it's like-- I don't know. It's like you open up Spotify and you're like, "I want to listen to a song." Well, there's two goddamn many songs. So you got to start to whittle down your genre.

[01:05:45] It's like, cool. I dig blues. All right. That's a good place to start. Let me just start going deeper into some blues now. Little history. Let's go way back. Let's move forward in time a bit with it. Then you gain some expertise around that particular niche approach.

[01:06:01] Kenneth: I could probably tell you the most protective thing that as an American or as someone who wants freedom could do. And it has to do with your physical movements because the real currency is our energy and our time. So if you're going to spend your time and your labor to build something, if you could build it without paying something you disagree with-- and when the government admits to crimes against us, like through the Freedom of Information Act, they admit to all kinds of stuff.

[01:06:30] You name it, they're admitting to it. They'll drop mosquitoes with GMOs in it. They'll spray with bacteria, that Serratia marcescens, and they'll just see how it spreads and people die from it. They don't care. They just admit to it. So you don't have to consent to funding them.

[01:06:46] So when you realize they have this epiphany, I don't have to consent to it. And since they're admitting to it, now I have the fire power I need to say, look, I don't consent. Here's why. And they can't deny it. You admitted it. Freedom of information act. So what we've done is like Brother Truth was explaining. How it's a ministry.

[01:07:05] Like the truck outside, it's in the House of Rocks. When I cross the border, they're like, "What's House of Rocks?" I'm like, "Bro, it's ministry. We got to expose y'all corrupt people." They don't know what to say to me. They're caught off guard. But we explained we teach different stuff.

[01:07:20] If someone wanted to keep their labor and you had a business, you can convert any business into a ministry because it connects. Whether it's tree trimming, concrete work, it doesn't matter. Nobody in government can say, "Hey, you don't believe that." Religious protections is in the first Amendment for a purpose. Because it's the most protected thing you could do.

[01:07:42] So if people were doing stuff and converting their businesses over into the private, like a ministry, they're protected in multiple facets that they don't have to pay taxes because they're not in the bracket of paying. It's not that you're avoiding or evading. You don't have to file as a 50-- if you're in ministry, what we figured out is that say you believe in Christianity, in Christ.

[01:08:07] There's Bible verses that connect to cleanliness and tree trimming. And you wouldn't imagine it, but I can write a mission statement that connects it all because I programmed it to do it. It pulls all the right verses, puts it all in order, and it's perfect.

[01:08:23] And so what we've done is we connect the services of people's offerings to the beliefs. Once you structure it the right way, now you don't have to fund the system you disagree with. Because you can't serve God-- if you spiritually believe in God, how could you fund this corruption once you're aware of it?

[01:08:41] People who aren't aware of it, ignorance is bliss. But once you're aware what they're doing with the money-- it's like if you knew your neighbor was going to shoot you, would you go give him the bullet? No. You would be like, no. But people are unaware. If they knew when they fund the corruption it's going to fall on their shoulders, they wouldn't do it. They just don't know what to do.

[01:09:01] So the strongest protection is to take your labor and to not fund what you don't agree with. So as a state national, you opt out of federal citizenship. You can opt out of federal income tax because it's voluntary. They say it. But it's not voluntary if you're a federal citizen and they have proof. So we create the prima facie evidence with our first document that says, "Hey, we're a state national part of this republic. We're not a optional federal citizen." And that's how we do it.

[01:09:27] Luke: You live in Hawaii. I heard recently that Hawaii was never a republic, so there's no way to become a state national there.

[01:09:37] Kenneth: It was a republic. It's bad. It's a bad story, but it was a republic. But it was a republic when it was stolen by Mr. Dole, Sanford Dole. And this is what they say, Sanford Dole and a couple locals too were involved. They stole it with their party. They brought the military over there and they forced the queen under duress to sign it over. And so for that short amount of time, it was like couple of years, he was the president, and it was a republic. And then we annexed it and from that point on it became--

[01:10:06] Luke: Like a corporate state.

[01:10:08] Kenneth: Yeah, it's called a Hawaii resident. When you look under the thing, they don't get their nationality from America. They have to claim it through the actual Hawaiian. So I have some friends [Inaudible], I have some friends that are Hawaiian, dude, and they help during the line of stuff. They're really good people, really good-hearted people. She would take a boat over there, and we created documents to hold them accountable.

[01:10:34] But we couldn't get any traction to get the information out there. But we had everything to get all those people in trouble because we wrote the evidence. And all they had to do is, I saw him blocking this road. I saw him blocking this road. And we were going to show everything was blocked. But we couldn't get enough traction because they were doing the people so bad and not letting them stay there.

[01:10:53] And it's sad. I don't even like to remember how it makes me feel, because I'd be all sad. I feel bad for people. When you see atrocities happen, if you put yourself in their shoes, God, you feel-- especially like what they're doing over there right now with all the killing of the children.

[01:11:07] It's so sad. I follow these kids, and I randomly see their videos, and I get inspired to bring out truth because I want to awaken the collectiveness on their behalf. And I try really hard. I try to be inspirational, and I want people to see other people are affected. If you think your children are better than their children, you're dead wrong.

[01:11:27] If you lose your humanity in this, what's the point of all this other stuff? You have to have compassion and humanity for all God's creation-- the children over there and the children over here. And so that went all off track.

[01:11:41] Luke: That's all right. It's all good stuff, dude. I love it. There is no track here. We're just riffing. But I do want to dig into your process a little. As I've been saying today, it's like a lot of people that are teaching this stuff have their own process, and some of them are probably great and some not. Some are more self-guided, some are more done for you, and all of that.

[01:12:02] As I said, the one I've been recommending as the middle road, where you're going to do a lot of stuff yourself as someone who joins up with you guys, you're going to do a lot of it yourself, but there's also much education and support along the way so that you're not doing shit that you don't understand.

[01:12:19] I think that's really important. And then there's ones that do much more for you and you can just be left like, "I think the thing's done, but I have no idea what happened." And then you got-- I keep referring to Brandon Joe Williams, who's great guy I love, but you can take his course, and I've sent people there. I'm just like, "I don't know. Seems like this shit works." Just watch all those videos one by one and do everything it says. And you're probably going to be in a way better position than you are now.

[01:12:45] Kenneth: Yeah, I talked to--

[01:12:47] Luke: So there's a spectrum, but I'm curious more, like, what's the order of your process, and how long would it take if someone wants to get the basic foundation set?

[01:12:58] Kenneth: Yeah. So the way it's structured is it's like a class. So you click a button. You get entered into a class, and it has the first document. It has a Word document and then it has pictured instructions. And so what we did is Gwen, she likes instructions that are highlighted and then they have a highlight key code. And that's the way she prefers it.

[01:13:16] Me, I'm simple. So you have the document and then you have the duplicate of the document, but it's just a PDF. So it's like, a, it points, and it says, put this here. B-- and that's how I make it. So you do all your documents like that. And there's videos in the section, so you can watch videos that pertain to what you're doing to give you an example.

[01:13:41] Each document goes like that. So the first document is where you declare your status and then you remove consent. And by remove consent, all you do is you legally say, "Look, you admitted to this. I don't agree." That removes your consent. So that's the first step. After that, there's other forms. If you want to obligate, say, "Hey, I'm no longer obligated."

[01:14:01] Steve, the host, he created a W-4. He updated it with all the codes and the definitions to show that he's not-- he's forced under duress to fill it out for his employment, but other people would use like a W-8 BEN. And we did, until Steve figured it out for himself. And because he's an employee for a big company, he was the one-- we always owned our own business, so we couldn't figure it out, but Steve figured it out. So we put that on there.

[01:14:27] Luke: Because there are different steps whether or not you're self-employed or business owner, or you have a job. Because I've heard people having a lot of problems with the W-4 thing. If it's a big corporation, they give them the W-8 BEN, and he rolls like, what is this? We're not doing this. That kind of stuff.

[01:14:47] Kenneth: Exactly. That's a common thing that happens. They get the forms. They say, "Look, you don't fit this." So the employer is the one who's being forced by the IRS. It's not the actual individual that's forced; it's the employer. Steve works for the biggest hospital, the biggest chain in the whole country, I believe.

[01:15:03] And he was able to pull it off. And so the way he did it-- he did it really well. He said, "Look, submit the, W-4 but submit it with all my stuff. And he did. And it worked. So that's what we share with our members that work for people or our employees. But if you own your own business, it's obviously a lot easier to do it.

[01:15:20] You just don't pay it and you send your stuff, how you opt out. But we structured it in a way where you get the document, you do the ABCDs, and you fill it. And you can go as far as you want. There is a trust in there that teaches you about the trust, how to sell your stuff to it. It's a very unique trust. It has God as the grantor because we're in God's family.

[01:15:41] Luke: Really?

[01:15:42] Kenneth: Yeah. And the way we did it is there's a thing called Public Law 97-280, and it's where they said that people should implement more of the Bible. And the Bible is the rock that the Republic rests upon. And it was like a document that was written about the Bible. So we utilized that and we utilized the Constitution, and we put that in there as our way.

[01:16:05] Luke: Really?

[01:16:05] Kenneth: Because our rights come from God.

[01:16:07] Luke: Stop on this trust for a sec. This is interesting. So you're talking about--

[01:16:12] Kenneth: Oh my God.

[01:16:14] Luke: It's the government, dude.

[01:16:15] Kenneth: Three, three, three. No, I read this thing three times a day.

[01:16:19] Luke: Do you want to read it right now? Is it private?

[01:16:22] Kenneth: Yeah, it's like a, who do you really want to be? You have programs you are programmed with as a child, and whoever it is you truly want to be, you have to overcome it, and you have to really become it. No more victim of anyone else. You're not a victim of anybody. You take control of your life. And it's like, I wrote it for men, and I've been--

[01:16:45] Luke: This is an affirmation that goes off on your phone at 3:33?

[01:16:50] Kenneth: Yeah. And at 3:00 in the morning too. And that's when I go to the-- I get up and I read it while I'm half asleep, so it hits to my subconscious mind on purpose. And what I do is, I read it three times a day, and it's everything that I want to be as a man to the world. And it's everything. Whoever--

[01:17:08] Luke: It’s like manifesto of character.

[01:17:10] Kenneth: Yes.

[01:17:10] Luke: Dope, dude.

[01:17:11] Kenneth: And I wrote it because I wanted to see if it would work, because I learned exactly how the quantum. It's a responsive mechanism. It's not like philosophy. It just responds. It's universal law. I learned it from vipassana. And so from Dr. Joe and different techniques, and now I just apply it, and it works. It really works. The things that I want to happen are happening in sequence, and everything's good. I built it out. It's an AI program. I've been building lots of stuff on there because I want to utilize as much for good as possible, because I know what they're trying to do, is they're trying to use things for harm.

[01:17:50] So I'm reflecting the goodness and everything and trying to use it to expose them and to use it for helping people. And so I wrote it. It asks you a sequence of questions and it writes it for you. It asks you problems in your life. It asks you all these different things, and it rewrites a code for you so that-- and you can also customize it to be exactly who you want. And that's what that was. I didn't realize the alarm was on, but hey, man.

[01:18:15] Luke: It's all good. It's great. It made for a great story. So back to the trust. I'm fascinated by this. So I'm assuming you're talking about some revocable complex trust of that nature where you can apply for EIN so that you can get a bank account and operating commerce using the trust. When God is the guarantor of your trust, have you still been able to get bank accounts and things like that?

[01:18:43] Kenneth: The hardest part is some banks like it. But we've been able to be successful a 100% of the time. Even like Ashley's-- I call her my grandma, but it's Ashley's mom. She lived in Hawaii with us and had a-- she had a debt collector hit her while she was there and got served with papers.

[01:19:01] I was like, "Grandma." We went to court, beat her case, but the whole goal is we showed her how to open her own trust with this trust. So she did. And the protection is now that she has this trust open, even if they did say, "Okay, you lost your case," and then they go back and get an order, they can get to her social security money.

[01:19:20] They can get to it. Once it's two times the benefit saved, they can access that money but not in the trust. So now the trust is separate. It's her God family trust. She's only the trustee. She's not the owner of the bank account. So they'll never have access to it. There's a protection even for elderly people.

[01:19:37] And she did that. She used that God family trust, puts God as a guarantor. She's the trustee. And you don't have to actually list the beneficiaries because it's private. So some banks, they don't like that. They're like, "Look, we need a certificate of trust or an abstract of trust. We need more." So I created an entire trust website.

[01:19:55] It has every type of trust you could ever imagine-- crypto trust, gun trust, pet trust, handicap trust, if you have handicapped people. And then I created parent trust to own them all. And what I did was the original trust that's in there, it's good. It's legit. And Steve, our host, even got a credit card in it for 10 grand and the EIN number from that God family trust. But the new one that I'm putting in comes from the new trust website that we built. And it's an irrevocable non-grant or ecclesiastical dynasty trust. That's what it's called.

[01:20:26] Because it has all these different clauses, and you could put anything in it. And that trust is going to be on that website. And I have every document with ABCD's, instructions, a single page instruction. This is what this document does. This is how the document works. If you want to sell your car to it without transferring the title, here's the document, all the instructions. Property, crypto. You want to sell your crypto? You want it on a promissory note or a demand note? Pick which one, and it'll explain to you which one's what.

[01:20:53] And promissory note's a structured payment. Demand note, you just call it on demand, and it explains it all. And so I see people out there selling these trusts 20 grand, just acting like they're lawyers, grifting on everybody. And I really didn't like it. And then they're copycatting my video. So I said, "You know what? It's time to make a trust website and give it out to the people and bring real help."

[01:21:11] So that's what I did. I created the best, awesomest trusts and put them all together, put every single document you can imagine. Most of them have about 17 different documents, so when they get access to it, it's going to have all the documents in it.

[01:21:24] Luke: How much is that?

[01:21:25] Kenneth: On the trust website's going to be like 499 each one. But on our membership it's only 40. The $50, it's the same trust. But we don't tell people. We do that in order to help these people trying for freedom.

[01:21:40] Luke: Right. So someone might just be interested in the privacy and asset protection, but not necessarily want to go down the whole path of becoming a state national--

[01:21:48] Kenneth: So they'll find the trust website and they'll have access to knowledge, real knowledge.

[01:21:52] Luke: 500 bucks, bro?

[01:21:54] Kenneth: And you learn it.

[01:21:55] Luke: Any trust I've ever made has been-- well, one was 4,500, but usually about five grand, 5,500. And it's just a freaking template. You know what I'm saying? It's basically just like a template that I could put my own information in, which is great. But I think that's really cool though. Because some people, they don't want to deal with any of this status stuff at all. But I'm seeing more stuff on social media now around this idea of the wealthy own nothing and control everything.

[01:22:28] Kenneth: Those are the guys.

[01:22:29] Luke: People are catching onto that. I see even more mainstream cats in the finance realm who are starting to expose that. Oh, you have this trust, and then you have your PMA under that, and then there's an LLC under that. I'm like, dude, this isn't even a sovereign citizen-type at all. This is just straight up finance. They're even starting to let the cat out of the bag.

[01:22:54] And also that, at one point, when I was real new to-- I wasn't even getting involved in this side of things, but I was like, "We bought this house." And I'm just like, "Hopefully we'll have kids someday." So we paid a lawyer a bunch of money for a revocable living trust, like an estate trust. It has your will and all that in it. And then I found out that has no protection at all. Someone could still sue you and just take your shit.

[01:23:18] Kenneth: Yeah, it has to be irrevocable.

[01:23:19] Luke: Yeah, yeah. So I think this side of things is really important for people just to protect their assets. Somebody could slip and fall or pretend like they did on your freaking property or something. And cool, they just took your house or your kids' inheritance and their college fund.

[01:23:36] Kenneth: We created that trust for those people. Separate website, separate information. They'll never even know they're connected. Nobody will know. Except maybe the members on the freedom side. They'll know that they can access it because we'll run emails and tell them. Because if you don't have a special needs kid, you're not going to know how important it is for you to protect them.

[01:23:55] I never got to say about the parents who have handicapped kids that need help from the federal government, but they're like, "How can I be a state national?" And so you can still exercise some rights without having to give up everything. And I know that sounds counterproductive, but it's still true.

[01:24:12] What says you can't self-determine and claim your nationality? What says you have to agree to the federal government because-- in our case, our son is vaccine-damaged. And that comes as a direct result of the structuring of how the system works. And they should be responsible, but it doesn't happen for everybody.

[01:24:32] Some people have handicapped children and don't even get that much help. And we found that's how the government was in our case. Our son's fully handicapped. Wears diapers. He's 12. And we work with them every day. We do the most unique stuff with them, and it's just how damaged he is. And a lot of families have that.

[01:24:48] So I want the families to know-- we always had this stance. If you're taking any federal assistance, you can't do it. But as I advanced more, I realize the most important part is true freedom. So this is freedom that gets you empowered to learn more. So it's good that they do it. You don't have to completely get rid of everything.

[01:25:05] And I know people would say, "Oh, you can't do that." But what is the best way for someone to live is all that really matters-- the most free, the most wealth, the most knowledge, the most protection, the most unity. Once you get all that, then it all like clears up and it makes sense.

[01:25:19] And that's why I said you're Luke in that moment because you're thinking for yourself. You're like, "Is this best for me? Is this not best for me?" And once you're doing that, you've got it. Then you're going to take on what's good. You're going to trust your intuition. You're going to realize like, I am God's child. It's all in me, and you're going to start being attracted, and everything's going to magnetize your direction the right way. That's what happens.

[01:25:40] Luke: Yeah. That's been the case for me as I've explored this stuff because I think pretty early on, I realized what's attractive about this information is much more spiritual than it is even having anything to do with the government or law or anything. It's like, wait, hold up. If I incarnated here into Earth School intentionally, I knew what the system was before I came here. I've probably been through it a million times and never broken out.

[01:26:14] Kenneth: Yeah.

[01:26:14] Luke: So the very fact that this information was put in front of me and there's some charm to it, there's an impetus I have within me that's like, hmm. It's like a moth to a light bulb. I'm like, "What's up over there? I got to start to learn." Once I hit a certain point, it was like, okay, I have to take some steps.

[01:26:34] Not even because I'm scared of the government or tax. It's not about that. It's that now that I know there's a path to freedom on the physical level, it seems like part of the curriculum of Earth School, the spiritual side of Earth School, part of that is to assert one's rights on the physical level.

[01:26:58] But it's not even about the benefits or protections or freedom on the physical level. It's a metaphysical freedom that says, "Okay, these are the privileges that I'm willing to pay for in terms of giving up some of my freedom, and these ones I'm not." And I am going to be the one using, as you said, self-determination to decide how I want to play the game.

[01:27:21] That's so much more empowering than just hating the government and feeling like a victim and looking at the Epstein list and all this shit. It's like, who cares? I just want to be free. And the degree of freedom that I want is directly contingent upon the price I'm willing to pay for it. Just like privileges.

[01:27:42] Let's talk about stuff that would be helpful to parents. Some parents I know, they find out about the birth certificate and the fact that it's traded on the freaking stock market. And when your kid gets a Social Security number-- when you’re born in a hospital and you signed the birth certificate, you basically just gave possession of the corporate entity attached to your kid to the state.

[01:28:07] And you don't know that you're even doing that. So some people are like, "Oh shit, I already had a kid. I got the birth certificate. I've already contracted my kid into the system." Some people are going to have kids that are pregnant are like, "Yo, what if I'm doing a home birth and we don't even do a birth certificate and social and all that?"

[01:28:25] So there's a spectrum, I think, of understanding and knowledge for parents. And just like we've been talking about, there's also a spectrum of ways to handle it. I've had people where they filed a UCC-1 on their kid's birth certificate, put their birth certificate in their trust. All kinds of weird shit you can do--

[01:28:43] Kenneth: Sky's the limit.

[01:28:44] Luke: --to take your kid out of the system so that you owned-- I mean, God owns them, but you own them instead of the state owning them and so on. So what have you discovered about parental rights in terms of being able to protect the rights of your kids?

[01:28:56] Kenneth: It is true that they do take a degree of ownership because if you were to go to the doctor, there's all these laws that a lot of kids get taken from medical tyranny. There's a video I shared of a doctor saying, "Hey, your child needs ADHD medication." She's like, "No, he doesn't."

[01:29:13] Yeah, he does. Well, if she didn't want to take it, they're going to refer to CPS. And she's shocked. And that's literally how it works in the hospitals. So how could CPS take your kid over a parental decision of ADHD medication or chemotherapy? I told you, my good friend that I know that he fought CPS one time had no problem. Beat them up.

[01:29:37] The judge said, "Look, we're going to throw this out, no big deal." Good guy, good dad. Takes his son. Finds a blood test. Says he has leukemia. They want chemo right away. And there was not much he could do. He fought as hard as he could to get a second opinion, and in the end, they took the child, forced chemotherapy on him.

[01:29:56] My sister, she's a nurse. She lives around here. She sent me a documentary. She said, "Check out this documentary. This happened to a family." And they forced chemo on the kid for years because they make so much money off of it. And when it comes to freedom for your children, it is very difficult because the system is set up to control us. It's meant that way.

[01:30:19] So they create the structure for the medical to be able to fund it through CPS. And CPS takes the kid. The CPS is incentivized because they make money per kid they take. That's what all the whistleblowers say. Even Nancy Schaefer, the senator who died, she died so viciously, and they just said, "Oh, her husband committed suicide."

[01:30:36] No, she wrote examination of how the federal funding of CPS incentivized taking children. How it's so bad. And she wrote an actual story, a research paper about it. She died, boom. Not that long after. And that's what happens because that system is such a powerful system. And I encourage anyone to look up her story. Nancy Schafer's her name. She's an amazing Georgia senator.

[01:31:01] And I even put her in my document where we remove consent from the government because those type of people, they're rare, they're inspirational, and they should be recognized for what they've given to share the truth. And so parents, when it comes to getting them out of the system, one, you have to really-- this sounds simple, but it's very important to have a good doctor that respects your-- if they're forcing vaccines on your children, then that means they want the bonuses.

[01:31:29] So when it comes to it, it's not necessarily paperwork because most people have already gotten the birth certificate. It's make sure you have a really good doctor that respects you. Because if he doesn't, he's going to be incentivized by money, and the system protects him. And they'll put him on whatever they want.

[01:31:43] And so finding a good doctor is key. If people wanted to totally take their kid out of that system, there is a young lady that's pretty inspirational. Her name's Veda Revival. Might have heard her on before.

[01:31:55] Luke: No, I haven't heard of her.

[01:31:56] Kenneth: She teaches people how to use an affidavit and get a passport without getting a birth certificate.

[01:32:01] Luke: Oh, dope.

[01:32:03] Kenneth: Yeah, she's really awesome. She does like Lotus Births where the--

[01:32:05] Luke: Yeah, yeah.

[01:32:06] Kenneth: --placenta feeds back into the baby.

[01:32:07] Luke: Yeah, I've done lot of shows on that kind of stuff.

[01:32:08] Kenneth: She is awesome. Yeah. I think you'd like her. But she teaches people how to do that particular thing.

[01:32:14] Luke: That's funny. I haven't heard of her, but I have one friend that was able to get their baby a passport, and it was a home birth, no birth certificate. And I forget exactly how they did it.

[01:32:28] Kenneth: It's affidavit process. She teaches all that. That's her--

[01:32:30] Luke: It was like they made their own certificate of live birth affidavit. Maybe it's a kind of thing. And I was like, "That's dope."

[01:32:38] Kenneth: And then she's not in the system, but there's a pros and a cons to that.

[01:32:43] Luke: No Social Security number.

[01:32:44] Kenneth: Yeah. And so there's a lot of hardships that come with it too. That's where you become the Skywalker and you're like, "What's best for me?" So do I want to just get the birth certificate and then opt out? Or would I want to do something like Veda Revival and just never get the birth certificate? You have to really decide, and it is an individual spiritual thing to think of.

[01:33:02] Luke: I'm just spit balling here.

[01:33:04] Kenneth: No.

[01:33:06] Luke: Let's say home birth, no birth certificate, no hospitals involved at any point. You do the affidavit process or make your own certificate of live birth announcement in the newspaper, whatever it is. You get the passport. And then when that kid is of working age, I wonder if they could essentially create their own entity trust and get an EIN for it and use that in place of a Social Security number.

[01:33:38] Kenneth: Probably. That's some wayfinder stuff you're talking about, but yeah.

[01:33:41] Luke: Because your Social Security number, it's literally an EIN for the corporate entity that's a duplicate of who you are.

[01:33:47] Kenneth: Yeah, yeah.

[01:33:48] Luke: So it's like, what if you just make your own duplicate of who you are as when you're 16 or whatever and you go work at Taco Bell?

[01:33:53] Kenneth: That's what we say our trust is for people. When I tell people and explain it, I was like, "Your trust is like you're duplicate, but you're making it." So yeah. No, definitely.

[01:34:03] Luke: Interesting. What are some of the pros and cons? Say somebody followed your protocol. It takes, what, about a year or something? [Inaudible].

[01:34:16] Kenneth: Yeah. It depends. If you're reading every day, you could probably do it in four to six months. If you're busy, like most Americans are overworked and underpaid, it'll take you about a year. Because you have to read it. We want people to comprehend. Our goal is a well-informed population, or else we would just be like, buy the whole packet $1,000.

[01:34:36] Luke: You're going to send someone some Word documents and be like, "Fill your name in here."

[01:34:40] Kenneth: Yeah, we could do that, but we don't want that. We want a well-informed-- so we only do the first step and then the rest, they do it themselves. That way they go through each step and they're like, "I know what this means." And if we get everyone well-informed, guess what? We can get rid of the chemtrails. We can get rid of the geoengineering.

[01:34:55] We can get rid of all the toxins in the water. At my house in Mexico, I have huge water purifying systems. I took video, and I've made videos about how I put the water systems in. But it's like we could get rid of that as a collective. And we don't have to be fat and poisoned, and we don't have to be ignorant and hating each other, if we could just get rid of this stuff.

[01:35:16] And that's why we don't want to do it for people. We really want to inform them and empower them, because it's not important if I know it by myself. It's only important if we all know this together so that we can get ourselves out of this mess. Because that's the world-- we live in a world of inaction. If you look around, we're getting screwed because we're not doing anything. They're like, "Close your business down." Everybody just took it.

[01:35:38] Luke: Oh man.

[01:35:39] Kenneth: If we wouldn't have though, we would've already been on our way back up.

[01:35:42] Luke: That's a really good point. Let's say each individual has a hundred units of energy per year. Just shit we do. Stuff we produce, how we contribute to the world. And 20 or 30% of that energy is taken away. It's stolen from you through taxation, which is probably actually more if you count all the taxes, but let's just say income tax.

[01:36:10] Imagine those units of energy and time, we'll just put them in one bucket, say that-- let's be very conservative. Call it 20% because you're creative with how you do shit or whatever. 20 units of time and energy times five years for each person, building parallel systems, regenerative farming, homeschooling, home birth.

[01:36:32] It's like you're not fighting anyone or anything. You're just like, "Cool, we're over here." We bought some land. We're doing our own shit, and we're using that-- there 20 units of time and energy not to fight the system, just to build something better. I can see a future where over a considerable number of years that there are enough people doing that that the old system just starts to decay and rot away because no one's even giving it the energy that sustains it.

[01:37:00] Kenneth: That's what's happening. It's really what's happening. There is some sort of hypnosis frequency that's over us. And I don't know if it's the death star that hangs around every night that's shooting it over us, but I feel like it's going to lift and people are just going to smell the roses and realize that we're not each other's enemies.

[01:37:19] That's what I think. Because what are they doing? They're trying to block the sun. And I can see that they're doing it because the military's the one who does it. I let my friend-- I share that we had the flood in Texas and they're blaming this company Rainmaker, but he's the low-lying flyer.

[01:37:37] Luke: Patsy. 100%.

[01:37:38] Kenneth: But he's nobody. That's why they put him on media.

[01:37:40] Luke: He would never be on TV if he was really doing something.

[01:37:44] Kenneth: No. Mullet Boyd, no. It's the military who flies the ones way up high that does the whiteouts. And what are they trying to hide? Think of the level of consciousness they're trying to slow down. Because a lot of us, I'm sure you know about the Schumann, and we watch it. We look at it.

[01:38:00] We want to see Earth's frequency because we've become aware of how the systems works when it comes to frequency, energy, and vibration. So when we look at it, you can see that they're doing something to stop it. They're trying. They're not going to succeed. Because if I woke up, everybody's waking up. I promise you.

[01:38:18] Luke: I feel the same way.

[01:38:19] Kenneth: If it was me, oh, y'all are coming next. I'm waiting. I'm here watching. And now I'm not [Inaudible].

[01:38:26] Luke: If you could be a king of the muggles, that was me for the first half of my life. If I made any progress, and I've made quite a bit relative to my journey, then I agree. I'm the same. And I'm like, if I can do it, anyone can do it. It's trippy, dude. I've been thinking about the sun thing and the blocking the sun and the fake climate change and global warming shit.

[01:38:49] And I don't know if this is true, but I think we have such a limited understanding of what the sun actually is, where it is, how big it is. The whole thing, what we've been told is totally fake. I'm not going to say that like the sun is God, per se, but I have an intuitive sense that the frequencies of the sun have much more to do with the consciousness of humanity than we could ever begin to understand.

[01:39:20] Kenneth: They're blocking it.

[01:39:20] Luke: Yeah. It's like-- I've talked about before-- I bought a Bible a year ago or something. I've never been Christian, but I'm just like, all the people that are trying to kill me seem to hate Jesus. So that means I need to find out what this Jesus guy was all about because-- you know the enemy of the enemy is my friend thing?

[01:39:39] Kenneth: Yeah.

[01:39:40] Luke: And it's the same thing with the sun. It's like, I've been always been a sun dog. I don't wear sunglasses, sunscreen. I'm out there. I've never been sunburned. Maybe a couple of times in Brazil when I was young and was wearing sunglasses, which actually makes you sunburn.

[01:39:53] Kenneth: It's so funny you say that.

[01:39:56] Luke: Yeah, yeah. But I'm a lover of the sun. But now I'm seeing, whoa, there's something much deeper going on with my relationship to the sun. It's not just a biochemical, circadian thing. It's some meta, and not Meta the evil corporation, but a higher level of intelligence that's transmitting down here.

[01:40:17] Kenneth: There is something--

[01:40:18] Luke: And that's why they want something in between us and it. There's something to that. I just know it.

[01:40:23] Kenneth: I'm pretty sure they have it written, if you look at the sun for over three minutes, you go blind. Sunscreens are proven to be poison and cause cancer. Everything about the sun is completely lied to. Have you ever seen the parable, how they describe Christ and the three days in the solstice?

[01:40:41] Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:40:42] Kenneth: There's all these parallels. And a lot of parallels--

[01:40:44] Luke: The beginning of the Zeitgeist documentary had this whole thing. Have you ever seen that?

[01:40:48] Kenneth: My brother used to always, "Ken, you got to watch it." I never cared. I was like, "Bro, you know I don't care about this stuff. I'm too busy living my best." When we had our salon, we had employees, everything was great. I never cared. I honestly did not care. I had fun, and it was really cool until they said-- you know how they say you put the glasses on, you can't take them off. I was like, "Ah." And that's how it's literally been.

[01:41:11] And a lot of things happen. I can't explain the way the IRS and Ashley and the judge and the way it all just happened. I'm like, "I feel like they're dragging me through--" Did I choose this, or are y'all just pulling me here? Because it feels like y'all are doing it, not me. What's going on? Sometimes it feels like things are happening and it's not necessarily something that I chose to do. It's just happening. And they're like, "Oh, you're going. You're going." I'm like, "Ah, here we are."

[01:41:44] Luke: It's a divine mission, man. It's a divine mission.

[01:41:47] Kenneth: That's what it seems like. I can't explain it. I never thought that this is what I would be. I never could ever imagine because of my life and the way I lived. I had such a fun life and I thought that's how I would die.

[01:42:00] I would die the way everyone else died. But once that happens and you realize there's more to it, you feel obligated. It's like a spiritual thing. You can't help it. You're just like, damn it, now I have to. And it's internal. It burns. And if you don't, hey, there's no don't. You have no choice.

[01:42:19] You're forced almost. That's what it feels like to me sometimes. And it's lonely too because you realize not a lot of people can see what you see. So you're not able to talk very much except what they want to talk about. And typically that's very surface level.

[01:42:37] Luke: Unless you have a podcast.

[01:42:40] Kenneth: Yeah.

[01:42:40] Luke: I was thinking about this yesterday. People I know lost friends and family during the pandemic, and I was like, "I didn't lose one person." They're already weeded out because I've been weird for so long. But I was also thinking about I don't really go out. I don't socialize. Which is weird because I used to be very extroverted and social.

[01:43:03] I lived in Hollywood for many years, and I was out and about doing the thing. I thought, this is weird. I'm just like a homebody. And then I thought, I just bring the coolest people to sit in that chair. That's my social life, man. It's just like I talk to rad people like you to just expand my awareness, my knowledge base. I get to tap into their energy, their expertise, their passion. But similar to you, it's like I didn't make this happen, this thing that happens here on this podcast.

[01:43:37] I don't know. I leaned over in that direction a little bit and it just became this self-fulfilling, self-propelled juggernaut that's helping all of these people. It's helping me. It's totally positive. There's nothing that's not awesome about it. It's a lot of work and costs a lot of money to run it, and it has to make money, and it's become a commercial enterprise of sorts, which I'd rather I had a trust fund and I could just do all this for free and pay everyone. I don't know if Jarrod-- Jarrod, will you work for free? And I don't have to run ads on show.

[01:44:12] Kenneth: If we were all trust from babies, we would be killing it. We'd be doing all out of love.

[01:44:16] Luke: But it's one of these things too where, because like most of us, there were long periods of my life where there's a lot of suffering and a lot of pain. And some of it, most of it, if we're honest, self-inflicted through my own wounds and stuff. And once I started to find codes to become more free, I just felt compelled to share them with people who wanted to hear them.

[01:44:44] I don't proselytize, but I think that loneliness you speak of like, yeah, you try to talk to people and they don't know what you're talking about, I've proved that you can-- and you're creating your own community too. It's like, cool, maybe I can't go down to the local whatever, Home Depot, and strike up a conversation about, the moon landing being fake or chemtrails or taxes are a scam. The NPCs, God bless them, some of them don't want to be freed, and you have to honor and respect that they like the bread and circus.

[01:45:20] Kenneth: That's it.

[01:45:20] Luke: And they like the public school system and have just resigned to the fact that they're going to end up dying in a hospital down the road that they've been funding their whole life through the same--

[01:45:32] Kenneth: Yeah, dude.

[01:45:33] Luke: Some people are happy to be in the Matrix. You got to leave them alone. But you can create your own whole social and even professional world of people that have escaped the matrix to some degree and are really excited to help other people that want to get out too.

[01:45:47] Kenneth: Do you know what they say about people like you, Luke, in the web? So there's--

[01:45:52] Luke: They say a lot of stuff probably.

[01:45:54] Kenneth: So for people who influence others, there's a web of consciousness. And I saw it described for Nostradamus, and it was a golden thread that was very thick because he's affecting others' awareness and others' consciousness just by presenting ideas or having people on.

[01:46:10] So the fact that you're able to spread out and reach other people's consciousness in a positive way, it's a thick strand in the web of consciousness. It's very important. The smallest person that does the most stuns the whole world. And that's like people that influence others in a positive way, it goes much further than we could ever imagine.

[01:46:31] We don't comprehend how the quantum works until we get some intellectual knowledge, and then it connects spiritually for us because-- and I'll tell you what I mean. I saw this one thing where they were showing on an atomic clock, the quantum. They split an atom. They did something to one, and then the atomic clock, it moved at the exact same time showing there's no distance between us.

[01:46:56] So I started doing tests like that, and I would have high compassion for people who were in suffering. I would specifically do it for them, and I would just envision love or a high vibration. And I would focus on one individual. I would put it in the quantum that they could feel it right in this moment.

[01:47:16] And it's something simple that I would test for myself. And I just wondered if it worked. I started testing it on my wife and she was like, "I was having this really weird hot feeling." And I was like, when? She starts telling me it's at the same times. I'm like, "I know this stuff works. We just are not taught."

[01:47:31] And I really want to find the true universal laws that are just immutable. And that's what those people are using against us. And that's why sometimes they'll tell us the truth in movies and tell us the truth because they're following these rules. There is a higher set of rules, and there's two sets.

[01:47:47] There's one for us that we're unaware and they teach it through religion and different things. And then there's a set of rules that they go by. And those rules are very different. And if we could teach that to everyone, we could change everything. The world we see outside is only because of the reflection we are inside.

[01:48:04] And once we all start reflecting a different outside, it will change. It's proven. It's proven. Dr. Joe proves it by twins. He has a twin brother. Two different circumstances. One gets sick, one doesn't. And it has to do with his external world where he worked at because they have the same identical genetics.

[01:48:23] So from acquiring all this stuff, that's how we figured out there is more to it. And it really depends on who the person is and what they really want to do. And it's not any different from spiritual as it comes to the freedom for the body. So ours is like freedom for the body, mind, and the soul.

[01:48:41] And we really want to unite people based on the fact that you have a soul. I'm talking to you. That's what I always say. You have a soul, I'm talking to you. Because there's no color. Because people get so caught up in color. Oh my color's better than here. Oh my gosh. Now we're in the coloring box.

[01:48:54] The history you think is a lie. Slaves are more now than anywhere. In history, there's more slavery now than there ever was. So anyone who's passionate about slaves, go do something about it. You have the chance to do something instead of being sad about the past. And the slavery past is not what they've been told for nobody.

[01:49:14] The first slaves that came here, I think they were white Irish people. They got savagely-- everything's so bad on their story, but nobody hears about it because it doesn't fit the narrative. Because that narrative will bring unity. They don't want that. So once people get past that, man, we change. I really want to fit more into the spiritual side of things because it's really the--

[01:49:36] Ashley and Gwen and everyone is so advanced. We stick to the freedom for the body, but we are a lot advanced on the other side. How much work Ashley's done and what she does with-- you know Dr. Emoto's water experiments?

[01:49:51] Luke: Yeah, yeah.

[01:49:51] Kenneth: She uses stuff like that on our son. Really cool stuff. His shirts are designed from this guy in Egypt, and they have the symbols of the flow of each organ. And so these symbols-- you know how the globalists or the elites use sigils?

[01:50:05] Luke: Yeah, yeah.

[01:50:06] Kenneth: It's like sigils for good.

[01:50:08] Luke: Is it from biogeometry?

[01:50:10] Kenneth: It probably is a biohacking guy. And she knows him.

[01:50:13] Luke: Dr. Ibrahim.

[01:50:15] Kenneth: Probably is dude. She's knows him--

[01:50:17] Luke: I bet it's him because he's Egyptian and he works these different symbols.

[01:50:21] Kenneth: And they look like little swirls and stuff?

[01:50:23] Luke: Yeah, yeah. And you can get the physical objects. I have them on the windows in house for EMF.

[01:50:26] Kenneth: My son wears shirts with them all over him. She has posters with them, so he visually sees it, and we want to use-- this is something crazy. She's creating an AI that will show him doing stuff, and we're going to show him.

[01:50:41] Luke: Oh, dope.

[01:50:42] Kenneth: It's like him doing things we want him to do so he could start to program it. And there's more. She even does something very unique.

[01:50:49] Luke: You guys are doing cool shit with AI.

[01:50:52] Kenneth: She creates something that when he goes to bed, it plays sound and music that gets him into a hypnotic state. And then she says all the things. Vinny, you're happy. Vinny, you're free. And she lets it program into him when he hits a subconscious thinking or sleeping, because your mind switches to where you're just accepting.

[01:51:12] You're no longer blocking info. You're accepting it. And he's been sleeping with it. And that technique has been working because those kids that are severely vaccine-damaged, right here on their fingers, they all do this. They bite so hard.

[01:51:25] Luke: I've heard that. Yeah.

[01:51:26] Kenneth: And it's sad. And you see them and you know it's all the same thing. It's one of the main vaccines. A lot of people believe it's the MMR, the measles ones. I'm not probably supposed to say that. But there's a couple of different ones that they think it is. And so that's what he does. And since then, he's so happy. He's not always happy, but way more than he ever was.

[01:51:46] And it's using these types of technology. It's ancient stuff, but we're finding it again, and different people are teaching it, and we're able to use it positively. And all this flows back to the freedom movement. Because if you really want to be free, it's more than just your body and your taxes.

[01:52:05] It's like, what is the truth? If you turn off the sun, there's no plant life. And just like the plant grows in the sun, so do you. But they tell us that we don't grow in the sun. Cover it up. Don't look at it. But they're lying. Something about everything is a lie. It's not sad.

[01:52:23] It's only sad when you first learn. Then it becomes exciting because you're no longer angry at everyone who's asleep. You have a bigger heart. So then it becomes exciting, all the stuff you see, and you're not even-- I used to be angry. I see chemtrails, I be bothered. Not at all anymore. It's the opposite.

[01:52:40] And I want people to know when you're going through this learning curve, to be easy on yourself and to remember the light is at the end of the tunnel, and the light is you. It's you. And once you get there, you'll realize it because God's inside you and you're always unconditionally loved. And that's what the big deception is. Everything's fear and scarcity. Oil, scarce. Diamond, scarce. Oh, you're going to hell.

[01:53:06] Luke: Speaking of Emoto water to the water psyop that there's a finite amount of fresh water on the planet. And then you find out the planet actually makes water and oil.

[01:53:17] Kenneth: It's infinite.

[01:53:19] Luke: Yeah, yeah. It's crazy.

[01:53:21] Kenneth: Yeah. The water is supposed to be the new thing they're trying to hold against us with the new-- they put the guy that said, "Humans don't deserve water." Not all water. The Nestlé guy. They put him in charge of the WEF, which is-- I'm sure that can't be good. But yeah, water actually was studying-- you know how they show the geometric shapes of stuff, of water, the water.

[01:53:45] There's this guy that she studies and I told her, "Tell me his name. Tell me his name." Because I always hear listening to him all the time. And he's really good. But he passed away recently, all of a sudden, and he teaches the most unique geometry stuff. She learned and she was showing me how the air has sacred geometry, that the air, molecule itself, the shape of it. Because they talk about dodecahedron and all these different shapes.

[01:54:11] Water has one. Air has one. She's showing me. She shows me all this crazy stuff she does. And she does things that you would never suspect. She wants to see how alive her food is, so she wants to get Kirlian photography, which is like those goggles they wear and they live. And she electrifies the board and takes a picture of the food to see how much electricity will shoot through it.

[01:54:32] Because it electrifies it as it shoots the picture. And depending on how much electricity it flows through, it shows you how alive or living the food is. So she's over here doing cookbooks, trying to heal our son. And we did something. The craziest thing we ever did was to shock our system and go fully raw with food that was like-- and we don't believe in this.

[01:54:54] We're not like, "Oh, we're vegetarians or anything." Even though Ashley and Gwen, a lot of times they don't really eat very much meat where I will. But we all did it for Vinny and we went raw, vegan. Hardest thing I ever did. We did it to detox his system and to flush him out. Did it for five months.

[01:55:09] Luke: That's what it's good for.

[01:55:10] Kenneth: It was hard. And we did it though. It was incredible. Meanwhile, she's making recipes, taking pictures. She's like a little mad scientist. And Gwen's like the same way, but for different stuff. And that's what I have at home. They're over there doing this and then I'm doing this stuff, and as a team, we work so efficiently.

[01:55:30] Luke: I'm going to text you a podcast I did a couple of years ago with this woman, Veda Austin, who took the Dr. Emoto water experiments and went to the stratosphere with it. Her shit, dude, you guys are going to freak. It's wild.

[01:55:45] Kenneth: Because it's so wild.

[01:55:46] Luke: Here's one experiment she did. So basically, like Emoto, in a similar way, she'll expose petri dishes of water to different stimuli, and then she flash freezes it for about four minutes and then pours the water out. And you have an image in the Petri dish.

[01:56:03] Kenneth: It's real.

[01:56:03] Luke: She's got hundreds of these, to the point where she actually develops some-- what she called it? Hydroglyphs, I think. She basically created a language, an alphabet that water speaks, the consciousness of water. That's how refined she got it. But the one that got me is this, bro.

[01:56:21] She puts the Petri dish of water out and plays Led Zeppelin, Stairway to Heaven, to the water in the room. Freezes it. What comes out? A goddamn stairway. You could show it to a 5-year-old. Honey, what is that? They'd be like, "Oh, those are stairs." This is one of literally hundreds. But that was the one that got me, I think, because I like Led Zeppelin.

[01:56:42] But there's so much more-- I think what's exciting is there's so much more to our reality than we understand. And to me, that makes all of the darkness that I discover in the world tolerable because I just know, oh yeah, we're just in the process of evolution and consciousness, and we're not on the other side of that yet.

[01:57:03] So it looks really scary and we feel disempowered. It's terrifying. They're going to get us. But if you went back in time, you'd see like, wow, as a population, humans are way more awake and tapped in than we were 50 years ago, 100 years ago. So it's just in the timestamp we're seeing right now from our perspective, it seems like we're absolutely doomed because the powers are continuing to encroach and devour us, as the parasites they are.

[01:57:32] But I think the reason that they're encroaching so aggressively is because they're such an awakening. I don't know if it's the sun, if it's Christ comeback. Who knows? I don't really care what it is. All I know is like I meet more and more people like you all the time in that chair and out in the world, and I'm just like, "Dude."

[01:57:51] I was way lonelier 28 years ago when I got on my path. It was like, wow, there's literally no one I could talk to. And now, living in Austin helps. All right. I digress. There's couple of more things I want to ask you that I think would be useful for people back to the law thing.

[01:58:10] What are some of the mistakes you see people make that could actually get them in trouble? Aside from just yelling at the police on the side of the road, are there ways people are trying to do paperwork process and things like that that aren't actually right, where they end up breaking the law without meaning to, and so on?

[01:58:27] Kenneth: Yes. There's a thing called frivolous filing. And sometimes people could file frivolously. Some of the things that people file, that's what they say, and that's how people could get in trouble. So you have to always show that your intent was never to be frivolous and always try to show like the reasons why.

[01:58:45] So for example, like-- I like to use Carl because Carl's the easiest one. Carl Miller, people watch him because he stood up and would drive without license plates. But he is a military veteran, and he got shot a bunch of times, so he would do it. But--

[01:59:00] Luke: Was he an older guy? White guy with white hair, has YouTube videos?

[01:59:04] Kenneth: He would wear a black POW hat.

[01:59:07] Luke: Yeah, I've seen that guy. Yeah, yeah.

[01:59:08] Kenneth: He did have white hair, but he did such a good job explaining like, when it comes to getting in trouble, it's not what people think. It's always like you have to really follow a process. And sometimes if you don't follow, you could be doing something that you don't realize is illegal. And it is.

[01:59:30] Like, I saw a girl taking a money order, and I don't know how she didn't know this was illegal, and she scratched the number off and tried to write a different number. I'm like, "Girl, what are you thinking?" And she was doing it from some type of teaching that she found online and stating that it was a security agreement. And I was like, "That is not how it works."

[01:59:48] Luke: Oh. Like trying to do a discharge with a coupon process or something like that?

[01:59:51] Kenneth: Yeah. Certain things you have to be really careful for when it comes to filing. If it involves money and they're going to give you money, a lot of times that could be something that gets you in trouble.

[02:00:04] I don't like to mess with any type of money stuff except for our own labor. So I really want people to just realize if you're going to do anything with money, make sure you fully comprehend what you're doing and why you're doing it. And always protect yourself. Because when it comes to money stuff, they can come back at you.

[02:00:22] We've had multiple people where they're like, "Hey dude, I totally--" One guy, he emailed us. He said, "Hey, I paid off my dad's property before, so I know it works. But we went to federal prison, both me and my dad." And he said, "I've been so terrified to do anything ever since then that I just never did anything. But I really like Kenny. He's inspirational. The way he explains it, it's very constitutional, and I like that."

[02:00:47] So he's like, "I think I'm going to give it another go." But that's what we found. We found when it comes to money and financing, just be careful. I'm not speaking against anyone who teaches that, and I think everyone has their own right and discernment. And I think it is your path. You must choose.

[02:01:03] But also for getting in trouble, what's another easy one? Traveling. Traveling's the hardest one. I did it well and I made it seem easy, and I regret it because it's hard. So what I did was I created that AI due process defender to show people, look, if you're going to travel, make sure you know exactly what you're doing. Know how to litigate, be prepared.

[02:01:28] Traveling seems to get people in trouble really easy. I have a good memory and I'm very personable. So when I see cops, they're like-- I got pulled over by a state trooper, not that long ago. And I'm like, "Come on, Martinez. Bro." And I'm just talking to him, and he's like, "I'm going to give you a warning." I was like, "I know you are. Get out of here." You didn't let the whole border open. And Gwen was with me, and we pick and choose our tactics depending on what happens.

[02:01:55] Luke: Gwen's your wife?

[02:01:56] Kenneth: She's the daughter.

[02:01:57] Luke: Oh, daughter?

[02:01:57] Kenneth: Gwen is the one that gets off all the tickets. She gets off.

[02:02:01] Luke: What's your wife's name?

[02:02:03] Kenneth: Ashley.

[02:02:03] Luke: Ashley. Okay. Because you've been dropping their names and I keep going, "Wait, which one's which?"

[02:02:07] Kenneth: Ashley's the wife, boss, and Gwen's boss, number two. I call them because they're both very organized and get a lot of work done all the time. I'm like, "I don't know who y'all are, but you trying to make me look bad with all your lists." So Gwen gets off our tickets. She always has. And I tell her, "Well, it's because you're pretty and you're young. Trust me, if you're a fat and old, they'd be beating you up and dragging you out because it's not easy."

[02:02:28] And she's like, "No, it is easy." She believed it. She would rehearse it. She wrote affirmation. She wrote How to control your heart rate, how to think and feel when you're getting pulled over, how to explain to the cop, how to create the vibration of goodness and not hate.

[02:02:47] Luke: Totally. I call it using the force. They've got the [Inaudible] you're looking for.

[02:02:53] Kenneth: Yes, she does that. She's like, "This isn't the car you're--"

[02:02:57] Luke: I haven't tested that on the side of the road, but I've tested it dealing with TSA. And yeah, just traveling and shit like that. Just seeing, "Okay, I could approach this situation with fear, aggression, lower energy, emotions. I'm going to bring that out of the person I'm dealing with, and it's going to be unpleasant for both of us." I've been doing these experiments, but I go, "Wow, man. Okay."

[02:03:19] Let's just use TSA. And I'm approaching the thing, and I feel like that resentment start to-- why do I got to do this shit? Fuck this guy, whatever. Or fear. Ah, they're going to make me lose my flight because they're going to go through all my shit. So I see that starting to come up. I go, "No, no, no. That's just a person there probably has a family, people that love them. They needed a job. This seemed like a good job. They might be struggling with all kinds of stuff in their personal life about, which I have no idea." Right?

[02:03:52] Kenneth: Yes.

[02:03:53] Luke: And I'll go up and just be, not like Mr. Nice guy, but just in my heart, whether they know it or not, just loving the shit out of them. Just blasting them. Just as an experiment. It makes me feel good even if nothing happens. And so many situations, dude, I've done that. Sometimes it hasn't worked per se.

[02:04:13] There's still dicks. But most of the time, it's like, wow, this was a really pleasant interaction. I was just respectful, calm, cool. I felt myself start to get irritated. Slow my breathing down, self-regulate. And even if it didn't end up in a freaking love fest, I didn't walk away from it more annoyed or pissed off or stressed out. It was just like, ah, it is what it is.

[02:04:37] I went through customs recently, come back from Peru. I had a terrible time in Houston for a number of reasons that I won't discuss on the podcast. And actually on the way out of Peru, they stopped me, pulled me down into the basement and shit because I had a battery in my bag. I almost missed the flight. I was totally calm.

[02:04:57] We land in Houston. Customs wants to look through our shit because we had some-- basically just had nothing illegal at all, but just herbs and shit like that that were totally not controlled substances, but they thought maybe they were. Yada, yada. So both ends of the flight.

[02:05:13] And I was so like, not proud of myself because pride's not a virtue, but it was a testament to some of the things we're talking about right here of just like, man, I was just real cool and calm and respectful toward everyone I dealt with. Would I have preferred that I didn't have to do any of that and could just get on the goddamn plane? Yeah, of course. I'm not dumb. But I could have made it so much worse for myself if I went negative, if I went dark.

[02:05:41] Kenneth: Because you'd be miserable in own skin.

[02:05:43] Luke: Yeah. Because now I got the same situation. The same amount of time is being spent on both sides of the border. So I could either choose to spend that time and also just be super happy or spend the same amount of time and hate my life and want to kill people.

[02:05:59] Kenneth: No, yeah.

[02:05:59] Luke: You know what I mean? Because it's like I can't control it, but I can control how I experienced that and reframe it, and all of a sudden it's like, oh, it just is what it is. I just surrender, accepted it, got through it the best I could, and it was fine. It was actually no big deal at all.

[02:06:14] Kenneth: Yeah. That's what Gwen does for her getting pulled over. And it's shocking. And I'm like, "I don't know how you do it." But that's her tactic, and it really works.

[02:06:22] Luke: So she knows the law, but she knows energy.

[02:06:24] Kenneth: Mm-hmm. She's a good litigator too. So she's able to file all her stuff. They didn't even want her to go to court, and she got her case dismissed from a distance. They threw it out. And the actual prosecutor was so impressed with her, how she handled it. She sent her a dismissal, and on the dismissal, she handwrote, "In the name of justice," and sent it to her.

[02:06:47] I was like, "Damn, Gwen." She was really proud, and she wanted to hold the officer accountable, and she was going to sue him. And because of all of our work in our life, we were in Hawaii and we're like, "If you pursue this--" She really wanted to. She's sad that we stopped her. She really wanted to pursue all that happened. When she got pulled over, he made her get out of the car.

[02:07:12] She told him, "I'm going to beat this." She's like, "And now I'm going to sue you." And he goes, "Please do. Please sue me." And he was so shocked. They put her in handcuffs. She had a gun on her and took her gun out. They put it in her car. And by the end of it, she puts her phone on the car and he records her.

[02:07:28] She records him saying, "I'm really proud of you. You did a really good job." And that's what it takes. You have to be the person you want to meet. So when she articulates it to them, she articulates it in a way that she knows how it's going to make them feel. So when you can anticipate making someone feel a certain way, you know how to direct a situation.

[02:07:48] And we always tell people, when it's moving negatively, give them the ID. Don't get beat up. Don't get yanked out. Because I'm from here in San Antonio. They done beat my friends up so bad. Not even for-- none of this stuff, just for regular stuff in Texas with the cops. The cops are ruthless here, so if you mess with them, they'll kick your ass.

[02:08:05] Especially in Houston, they beat you up worse than anybody. One of my friends was a cop and he told me, "Dude, we could do anything in Houston." I was like, "Bro, why are you telling me?" Because I would go to the gym a lot. So I had all these gym bros, and he was like, "Kenny, I went over there for the flood. Dude, you think--" He was a sergeant in San Antonio, and he could just get away with anything.

[02:08:26] And I didn't really tell him a lot about freedom because his mindset was just like sports. There's a certain mindset that I don't even try. I just talked to them and be friends and be nice. And I keep it like that. Because I know if I tell them, I'll fall on blank eyes and deaf ears, and this is not what I want to feel or them either. I think about them.

[02:08:48] So I try to always articulate what people want to hear. I learned it. And it sounds bad, not what they want to hear, but what I know I can tell them that they'll receive is how it should be said. And I got good at that from my job. But Gwen, these are not the people you want to see [Inaudible]. I was like, "Gwen, you're so--" I want to tell people, traveling is difficult and you must be prepared and be good at it. And if you're doing it from a position of not having finances, don't do it from that position.

[02:09:18] They're going to impound your stuff and they're going to jack you up. You have to be a good litigator when it comes to it because it always leads there. So, I don't know, when it comes to freedom, like how you described, is that really worth it? So traveling can get you in trouble. We do know how, and it is a real thing, and people can get away with it and do it. But you have to be good.

[02:09:38] Luke: It seems like if you want to go whole hog with that, it's like getting the DOT number, the DOT plates, owning your car outright, having the MCO in the glove box, having your car in a trust, filing a UCC-1 on it.

[02:09:56] Kenneth: Yeah.

[02:09:59] Luke: Metaphysically, I really want to do all that because I just want to be a free animal that's moving from point A to point B. Why do I need anyone's permission to move my body in a thing that I own, that I work for and paid for over there? And you can't tell me shit. I have that fire in me.

[02:10:17] Kenneth: You can do it.

[02:10:18] Luke: But like, oh man, do I really want to go through all that? Is it really worth it for the satisfaction I think I'm going to get? And like I said, in my case, I still got to have a driver's license because when I travel, I want to rent cars. So it's like, why go halfway and do all the other shit with the automobile, the private conveyance? Why do all that if I still have a driver's license? So it's like, eh.

[02:10:42] Kenneth: That's true.

[02:10:43] Luke: Every person, like I said, has just got to choose their own path and what's important to them? Tell me about the Due Process Defender, the AI model that you built.

[02:10:57] Kenneth: That thing is really cool. The reason it was created was part of it had to do with my friend with CPS and chemotherapy. He was using it and getting a lot of assistance, and I was like-- he was doing really good fighting them. It was really hard. They were cheating the whole time.

[02:11:18] They cheat the whole time, especially in family courts. But I had to fight for my grand-- I call her my grandma, but it's my mother-in-law. I had to help fight all her stuff for her, and I'm good. I'll research. I'll find everything. I'll pull up everybody's case. I'm like, "Grandma, I'll beat this shit." I don't even know none of this stuff. Don't even worry.

[02:11:37] Pulled up our stuff. I found the violations. Here's a due process. They lose right here, and we filed everything. She gets ready to go to court. I write her out what to say. She's going to read it. We're sitting next to each other. They call her name. They hang up on her. Boom. Default judgment. She loses her case.

[02:11:54] Luke: Whoa.

[02:11:55] Kenneth: So I was like, "Okay, don't worry. I know what to do. And so I write out what happened. Tell her, give me screenshots you were on the phone proving you were on the phone." And I filed a motion to set aside judgment. Right away, had another hearing set up. So little things. Like when you file the motion, you call. You set the hearing.

[02:12:15] So we called. We set the hearing. We go in the hearing. The judge sets it aside, grants us the motion. We restart the case. Goes on for a year. And I was like, "Grandma, you'd have been screwed if it wasn't for me." And she's like, "I know. Thank you so much." Not only that, she had another one. We had two of them.

[02:12:29] So both of them got squished right there. And she owed both of them. She owed, it was like 7,500 to portfolio recovery. She got some bad hearing aids that didn't work, and she kept sending them in, 500 bucks to fix them, and didn't fix. So she's like, "I'm not paying them." And she's on social security.

[02:12:46] And I'm like, how many people get screwed by these companies like this? So we created it based on that. And what I did is I programmed all this due process stuff. So it wants due process violations. And what makes it special is you don't have to be a state national. You don't have to be anything.

[02:13:03] All that matters is did they violate your rights using due process? And most powerful because they recognize it. And if you do good, they'll be appreciative. They'll like it. They won't give you that backlash. I've had multiple people I go to court with to watch what they do, and none of them seem to ever know that particular angle.

[02:13:25] And I seen a couple of state nationals litigate properly, and I really was attracted to it. One, it was a young Black gentleman, and what he did is he litigated-- he had a suspended driver's license, and he litigated it based on due process violation because they didn't find out his driver's license was suspended until after the stop.

[02:13:47] So he just proved the stop was invalid and that throws the rest of the evidence out and now none of it matters. So I saw that as true freedom, and I wanted to share that with people. And I thought, man, if people could litigate like this, we'll never get screwed again. We could stop all this stuff. And it gets rid of other things that make it more difficult or confusing or hard.

[02:14:07] Luke: Like hiring a bar card?

[02:14:08] Kenneth: Yeah. There's a lot of stuff. I tell people, and I even told Joe, I was like, "Brandon, why do y'all go DMV to DOT?" I was like, "It's the same thing." And he has a whole thing, and I respect it. I think what everybody does is fine. I just don't think there's a one-kill-all solution for any of it.

[02:14:26] It's all like, what's good for you, and do what's best. But I think that due process is the powerful and the most easiest. Even though they're going to cheat, they're still going to cheat. But you'll know what to do next. It tells you how to hold them accountable, how to file claims against them, how to put anything against a judge that does something wrong, if it's truly wrong.

[02:14:46] Or a prosecutor that does something wrong. One litigator, she was state national. Completely state national. She's a more recent video I made. And she was arguing that the state's a corporation. The person who gave the ticket wasn't even aware. So she struck there. She tried to. It didn't go through.

[02:15:05] This is what happens. So she says, she wants to strike the testimony from the record because the lady didn't even know it was a corporation. She says, "And do you work for the corporation?" And she goes, "No, ma'am. I work for the City of King." "And are you aware the City of King is a corporation?" "No."

[02:15:21] And she goes, right away, "Strike her because she's incompetent." And they overrule it right away. No big deal. But what ends up happening is you move the judge. So even though that all played out, the judge dismissed it. Same way in me. Oh, I can't decide if she was driving it or maybe the husband was driving it.

[02:15:38] The car's in a church name. That's how my truck is. It's in the ministry name. It's the trust, the main trust ministry for state nationals, Rock. It's called House of Rocks. And that's what the car's in. So outside it, that's what it's all. And so everything we create is projects of.

[02:15:53] So we have one that's called SNR Save the Children, which is anti-child trafficking information, which we're going to elaborate a lot more on that coming up. And then we had a supplement site, and that's how we know about the supplements all coming from you know where. They really do in bulk. And all of them use it.

[02:16:10] Luke: Especially the ones on Amazon.

[02:16:12] Kenneth: All of them. That's just how it is. So yeah, I'm always like going off on the deep end. I can't help it. I just keep going and then I'm like, "Where do we start this at again, Luke?"

[02:16:25] Luke: Well, I could change the name of the show from the Life Stylist to the Deep End. The Deep End Podcast is actually a good name. You know what? I'm going to edit that out so no one does it because that's a good name. Just kidding, editors. You can leave it in. God bless the entrepreneur out there that does it.

[02:16:45] Is there a podcast, Jarrod, called The Deep End? Because that's a good ass name for a podcast. Okay, before you wrap up, how does the Due Process Defender app work, AI? Is it an app on your phone or website, web-based? How does someone get that? How much does it cost, etc.?

[02:17:01] Kenneth: Okay. So the way it's currently structured is in order to get it full functionality, it's built on ChatGPT base. So you would use it through your ChatGPT, but you get access through us because we programmed it.

[02:17:13] Luke: Got it. Okay.

[02:17:13] Kenneth: So we currently have--

[02:17:14] Luke: So you have all of your prompts and the model.

[02:17:18] Kenneth: Yeah. So when you get it, it pops in and it says Due Process Defender, and you run it through your ChatGPT account, but it won't always be like that. We've had a guy that's really good, and he's been building it to be on our platform. It's a pain in the butt and it wasn't easy to do because we wanted it to be-- we wanted the full functionality. And if it was going to reduce functionality, we didn't want to put it out. Because we want to give the help.

[02:17:43] So by leaving it on ChatGPT, it removes our control, which I didn't like because now they have it and I don't really like-- yeah. So it is what it is. But in order to get it to the people, that's how I had to make it. But once it's completed, by the end of the year, it will be solely on our website. So currently you just go purchase the link, you get access, and you have your own account with ChatGPT. So it opens right up straight to it, and then it just works like that.

[02:18:10] Luke: That's epic. You can't really rely on consumer grade ChatGPT for-- if you start researching shit that we've talked about, it's totally censored and it's be like, "That's a conspiracy theory, sovereign citizen shit." But as long as you don't trigger it to start lying to you, even the consumer grade is really useful.

[02:18:31] I needed to appeal a FOIA request that I did that was redacted in a way that I didn't like. So I just scanned the letters they sent me and just put that in the chat and was like, "Make this appeal for me." And it's like, [Inaudible]. Three seconds later, I have a perfect appeal. Dude, if I had to sit down and figure out how to write that myself, where to send it, what the verbiage is, look up the codes that, are you kidding me? Honestly, I wouldn't even have done it.

[02:19:03] Kenneth: No, but what--

[02:19:04] Luke: It was just so dope. What a great resource! Because I didn't trigger it into doing anything weird. It was just like, "Cool. This is standard law shit. Here's what you do." It's freaking amazing, dude. Makes me a perfectly designed notary page-- the whole thing. It's amazing.

[02:19:21] Kenneth: Yeah, no, it works really well. Ours just has the actual-- it says, number one, it looks for a constitutional violation. And if it exists, it'll find it. Then the second thing, it looks for due process. So if anything in the due process programming-- it has over 100 prompts of due process violations.

[02:19:40] Like if this happens, this is the remedy. This is the case law. And it has it in its actual programming. And that's what makes a difference. I had one guy say, "I could just use ChatGPT." You could to a certain extent, but not like this. This thing works differently. I said, "I got a red light ticket." And it was like, "Where'd you get it at?"

[02:20:00] And I put, "I got it over here." "Well, good thing red light tickets are illegal in your area, so use this." And it knows right away because I told it, if it is illegal, first check, is it constitutional. Because if it's not, let's hit them there. Because that's like a ball punch. And we don't have to worry about all the other stuff.

[02:20:17] Status, nothing matters. Your shit's illegal. It violates the-- like in my city, there's still one county-- or it's not even a county. It's like a little area. It's a mini city. They have illegal red-light cameras up and running because the people don't fight it. They just let it. It's illegal, but they're up because of the consent of the people. It's Leon Valley, Texas. It's right on Bandera Road.

[02:20:40] And they have them up taking pictures still. Even if you just park there and you stop a little slow and nudge, it's picturing everybody and giving them tickets, and they're paying it. I don't have enough time, but I really wanted to just file all these little lawsuits and stuff like this to show people the power.

[02:20:57] But probably the one we will do is TikTok because we hired someone to do it and certain people aren't the same. They don't have the same ethics and work quality, and we're just like, "Hey, we're ready to push forward." Six months, I'm like, "Dude, no." So we might use it to sue them since they really did give us a 10-year ban and sent it to us.

[02:21:16] And what they said is, "For 10 years, your videos will be undelivered till 2034." And I was like, "What's undelivered? How did they write this verbiage?" And they sent it to me. And so I was like, "Okay, I'll post constitutional videos." Ban. I'll post a video to go sign a petition. Ban. I'll post a video about a damn cat meme. Ban. I was like, "Wow. Now I know what undelivered means." You're banned for anything you post. And literally I can't post there. Nothing. And I was shocked.

[02:21:43] Luke: Wow.

[02:21:43] Kenneth: And I made over 30 accounts. I had one, half a million, 250,000, 100,000. And they just kept striking them, and they'll strike 10 at a time. I did it twice. Two big pushes, and I made 10 accounts and 11 accounts. And I had them all going because they kept giving me the two flags. So I didn't want to get it banned.

[02:22:02] So I'd start the next one and I'd build it up, and I just kept doing it. And both times they struck them down all of them at the same time. So then I just built random ones, and I got it up to 28 different accounts I've made. But it's so bad now that I just have one private account, and I use it to make my videos because that's how I make those videos you see. I make them on TikTok.

[02:22:22] Luke: I was wondering how you did that. I'm not very tech savvy with the phones and I'm like, "Man, his videos are dope. How do you do that?"

[02:22:28] Kenneth: Oh, I make them on TikTok and then I take them over to CapCut and I cut them on CapCut. And that's how I do it.

[02:22:34] Luke: Yeah. For speaking like-- what we're talking about, I'm sure people have seen them. It's like a green screen thing where you'll a document or another video, and then your little talking heads talking about the thing behind you. That shit. Yeah. I've always wondered how people do that.

[02:22:49] Kenneth: We show people how to make them too. There's a part on our website where we had an education section. And I show people, look. So I'm recording me recording, and I'm like, "Look, this is how I do it."

[02:23:00] Luke: I could go learn that then.

[02:23:02] Kenneth: I'm like, "I want people to do it because it is sharing the truth." And when you care about the truth-- there was a video I could have made that would've got a ton of views. I trust my intuition, and it was like, no. I was like, "No?" My friend made a video, same topic. It wasn't exactly like I would make it, but it was short. It was a minute and a half.

[02:23:24] I was like, "Ooh, that's good." Because the algorithm loves short videos. I put it on, five million views. Not for me, for him and the truth. And that's what I was like. I was laying there feeling all good about myself because the truth got out. It wasn't my face. It was just the truth.

[02:23:41] And I realized like, see, this is what it's about. When you're genuine and you really just care about seeing that happen, that's what resonates with people who see your stuff because they know. They're like, "That dude--" You could feel it. It's not even what you hear. It's what you feel when you watch people.

[02:23:54] I do a lot of tricky stuff too. What I do is I put songs that catch people's attention, and I know we all have short attention spans from social media. So I put short catchy songs and I put movements in between each picture. And that's all I do. And I try to do it to keep it entertaining for everybody because--

[02:24:12] Luke: You got me, bro. I don't even scroll Instagram. But when I open up the app, a lot of times the algorithm feeds me one of your videos.

[02:24:21] Kenneth: What?

[02:24:22] Luke: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[02:24:22] Kenneth: That's awesome.

[02:24:25] Luke: If it does that, it knows I'm going to watch it, and then it sees me click into your page and like, oh, what else have you been doing lately? I've watched so many of your freaking videos.

[02:24:33] Kenneth: That's cool. I spend a lot of time making them.

[02:24:36] Luke: I can imagine. Yeah. I can't make shit. I'm not good at that.

[02:24:40] Kenneth: You could. No, you totally could. You're doing this. This is awesome.

[02:24:45] Luke: I have people that do those videos for me because, I don't know, I guess I don't want to learn. But I like yours because it seems like you can make them on the fly because they're about current events and things that are happening now.

[02:24:59] By the time I would do that, it would be three months ago. Let's tell people what they can do here. So again, you guys, the show notes for today, there's going to be a lot of links in there about all these things we talked about, lukestorey.com/statenational. And then you can get over to statenationalsrock.com.

[02:25:20] And looks like there's a code there, LUKE. Gets you 15% off all products except PMAs and recurring subscription. Your stuff's not expensive anyway, especially compared to people out there charging thousands of dollars. So I encourage people to get over there and check it out. Because I think you got like a really good common sense, logical, non-crazy approach to this stuff.

[02:25:45] So I'm hoping by this point, a couple of hours into the conversation, anyone who's still with us at the end is like, "Yeah, cool." It doesn't have to be so overwhelming and confusing, and can be a choose-your-own-adventure level of how you want to engage.

[02:26:01] So thank you for coming today. And thank you for just doing the work you do, man. I can tell you're a kindred spirit and really wanting to contribute something to your fellow humans. So I appreciate that. And I got one last question for you, Kenny. It's a three-parter. It's real simple. Who have been three teachers or teachings in your life that have influenced who you are and what you do?

[02:26:27] Kenneth: That's a tough one.

[02:26:28] Luke: I know. That's why I save it to last.

[02:26:31] Kenneth: So I have a very strong partner. Very strong, very strong. So a lot of the stuff I grew up with was really harsh programming, hard. Really hard stuff. And I realized as an adult, the purpose of it is to overcome. So once you get the obstacle, it doesn't matter till you overcome it. And then the obstacle isn't an obstacle. It's like your greatest achievement.

[02:27:03] So I have a partner that's really strong and saw me through all the stuff, and she was able to work with me in a way that made me believe. Because I didn't always believe. I think that's our biggest problem with us. We don't believe in ourselves. Once you believe in yourself, you realize, man, the magic's all within you.

[02:27:23] So it sounds crazy, and a lot of people probably say this cliché stuff, but no, my wife, boss, Ashley, probably taught me and influenced me the most because she's a dedicated hard worker. And for me, I like to work smart. She likes to be very thorough. So when I learned from her and her work ethic and her-- she has high integrity from her dad.

[02:27:46] I didn't have it. I didn't have any of those things, and I definitely didn't have-- I use brains. That's how I am. I don't like certain laborish things. And with her, I became that and I achieved, and I was really succeeding. So what I learned from Ashley changed a lot of who I was. It shocked me. I didn't know I was going to become the person I became.

[02:28:09] But a lot of it is contributed to my wife, boss, which is shocking, but it's true. And not that many people could say it, but she's a very inspiring individual. She's always helped all the people around her. She teaches them. She used to travel all over the world doing hair, and a lot of people flocked to her for that.

[02:28:28] And so that's how she was able to build our salon, because she would have people who wanted to work with her because she was an international educator. And by seeing how she treats everyone, even the little people, it's inspiring. It's very inspiring. So I did get that from her because I would be a lot more harsher.

[02:28:47] And seeing the compassion and the education, she's an educator. I got a lot of that. Came from my wife, boss. So the hardest things I learned, this isn't [Inaudible]-- it's two other people. Dr. Joe Dispenza, which is one of our favorites. We love Dr. Joe's teachings. We fully are very thankful for his contribution to the collective awareness.

[02:29:16] And another one's probably the most difficult one comes from the teacher that we took from our vipassana training. His name's S.N Goenka. The teachings are extremely difficult. It's very hard to comprehend. You don't get there until you've really found who you want to be. And that's that Luke Skywalker moment where you're like, "I want to be this."

[02:29:36] You don't worry about what they say or what they say. You know your path. And I got that from Goenka because I wanted to quit. He has that course. It's free. You go. There's some in Texas. They're in all the states. And I really wanted to quit from Goenka. But his teachings were difficult, very hard to comprehend.

[02:29:55] His accent was thick, and it makes you want to quit. But when I finally did overcome that, it was a bigger overcoming than I realized. And when you overcome yourself, it's much more satisfying than overcoming some challenge or some obstacle. Something you do within yourself is it maximizes everything. So when I learned from Goenka-- even Joe took Goenka stuff.

[02:32:22] Luke: Oh, really?

[02:30:22] Kenneth: Yeah. He talks about it. He said he was doing transcendental meditation during there, and you're not supposed to. You're supposed to follow the protocol. And it's very simple. They make you focus all your attention on your nostril, air, natural flow, and you get, [Inaudible]. You get really bored, and you find yourself that you can't turn your brain off.

[02:30:40] And so the teachings, they're hard because you're bored out of your mind. And in this society, that is like death to us. So when I learned from him, I learned patience, I learned compassion. I think he's Yoda, to be honest. Honestly, he taught, mm. He does this at the end of his stuff, and I was like, "Bro, you're like Yoda."

[02:31:07] That's where I got probably the best values, came from Dr. Joe, my wife, boss, who does a lot of Dr. Joe stuff, and Goenka. Those three. I got Yoda. I always say Joe's like a version of Christ because he seems like it. He talks like it. I've seen him quote a couple of Bible verses that blew my mind that his timing of it all is like, you know a lot more than he leads on.

[02:31:34] But the way he inspires people to take change within their own hands, that's true freedom. You're not selling them something. It's in them and you're just helping it blossom out of them. Those are the real teachers. And so I like those. And I typically like to go to those people because they're not-- you could see the difference.

[02:31:52] There's a genuinity in it. I think those three people. It's funny. I would never thought I would say Ashley in all of this, but she's the one. She's the leader of her whole family. She meditates the most. She does the most. I don't know how to explain it.

[02:32:15] Luke: Dude, I relate. I got--

[02:32:16] Kenneth: She should probably be here instead of me, to be honest.

[02:32:18] Luke: I got one downstairs. Definitely the spiritual leader and the intuition muse of the family. Man, when you get in a good partnership, it's just, oh my God. It's just crazy to think, in my life, I avoided being in relationships, in any committal way for so long. I was so dumb. It's just the best thing that ever happened to me, is having a really amazing wife. So I relate to that, and I can't wait to meet her.

[02:32:50] Kenneth: You'll probably have her on. She does crazy stuff that you would love.

[02:32:55] Luke: Sounds like my kind of person.

[02:32:56] Kenneth: She should probably be here instead of me. And in reality, she probably will be. You'll see. She has crazy stuff she does, but good. Good crazy, not bad. She documents our son 27 pages every day to see how he's reacting based on the stuff she's doing to try to prove the addictions to the tablets and different things.

[02:33:16] She does a lot of stuff like that that helps families, and spiritual. And a lot of this stuff I see on your titles of your podcast are more related to the stuff she's very fond of and very educated. And what she'll do is she'll sit there and she'll study something until she knows everything about it, and then she'll move on to something else. And that's every day, all day. I'm just like, "How do you do this? That's how it is.

[02:33:42] Luke: Epic.

[02:33:43] Kenneth: Inspiring.

[02:33:44] Luke: Yeah, it is. Thanks for coming today, dude. This has been amazing. I'm glad I was able to track you down while you were in Texas. I was stalking you on Instagram. I said, "He's in San Antonio, man. I got to get this guy on the show." So Goddamnit, we did it. I think we probably really helped a lot of people discover something totally new to many of them.

[02:34:02] And also for those that have been trying to figure out how to navigate this, I think today was a really good, grounded approach to this realm of freedom, this path to freedom, which to me seems like the most viable because it's the freedom as we set on many levels. Not just paperwork freedom, but freedom of mind and spirit, which is really what it's all about. So, God damn. Thanks, brother.

[02:34:27] Kenneth: You're welcome. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it.

[02:34:29] Luke: You got it, man.