[00:00:00] Luke Storey: Alright, my dear, here we go. Episode 663.

[00:00:06] Alyson Charles Storey: Okay.

[00:00:06] Luke Storey: Yeah, we're almost to episode six. Six. Six. I don't know what that's gonna be, but I hope it's a really positive one.

[00:00:13] Alyson Charles Storey: It's probably one of those numbers that, you know, it's just like 13, you know, there's this point in planet Earth, there's always something about something about something.

[00:00:22] Alyson Charles Storey: And, you know, however, the years, is it 13? Oh, it's the, you know, that's the spooky number, but it's actually like the number for divine feminine in their richest power, you know, highest powers. You know, it's probably the same thing with the,

[00:00:37] Luke Storey: it is weird though that El elevators don't have a 13th floor.

[00:00:42] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah.

[00:00:42] Luke Storey: I always check and I'm like, really? Everyone agreed upon that? It's kind of like the, uh, Antarctic treaty, you know, it's like

[00:00:50] Alyson Charles Storey: comparing elevators to the

[00:00:52] Luke Storey: well. I mean, that's some, it's something that every, you know, every world leader, uh, agreed upon, even though that we're [00:01:00] supposedly, uh, adversarial.

[00:01:02] Alyson Charles Storey: And I wonder when that will change.

[00:01:04] Alyson Charles Storey: And I wonder when, who will be the first hotel? There's gotta be a hotel out there that has 13. There has to be,

[00:01:11] Luke Storey: I mean, I'm sure there are elevators, but

[00:01:13] Alyson Charles Storey: you've just

[00:01:13] Luke Storey: never seen it. Maybe people could write in, uh, you know, send us a message on, on Instagram at Luke story at what is yours? I am Allison Charles.

[00:01:23] Alyson Charles Storey: Uh, mine is at I am Allison Charles.

[00:01:25] Luke Storey: Yeah. Send us a message if you know of an elevator and we will travel there and do a special episode about it.

[00:01:32] Alyson Charles Storey: Uh, we'll do, we'll record from the 13th floor.

[00:01:34] Luke Storey: Or what if all those buildings have a 13th floor, but you just can't access them from the public elevator?

[00:01:40] Luke Storey: That's where the, the Freemasons do their meetings and things of this nature.

[00:01:44] Alyson Charles Storey: I'd like to picture more, um, Oracles and high priestesses dancing around a cauldron and a fire on,

[00:01:51] Luke Storey: see, I always go to the negative. I know one number that is definitely relevant though is the speaking of Freemasons, the 33 thing.[00:02:00]

[00:02:00] Alyson Charles Storey: Mm.

[00:02:00] Luke Storey: I mean that is like, at this point. Indis, what is it? Indisputable or indisputable? Indisputable. Uh, anytime there's a psyop or some sort of crisis, um, a manufactured crisis, you'll always see the talking heads on the news or whatever written, um, articles, content about it. There's always a 33. There's this compilation video from the pandemic, um, where it, it just, it's like a montage of all of these newscaster talking heads saying 33 cases here, 33 people died.

[00:02:40] Luke Storey: 33. 33. The Charlie Kirk thing, there's like 30, 30 threes all over that. It's a, it's definitely like a, um,

[00:02:47] Alyson Charles Storey: a signal or

[00:02:48] Luke Storey: Yeah. Covert signal. Yeah. Once you start noticing it, it's like everywhere.

[00:02:54] Alyson Charles Storey: I don't know anything about that other than barely being half awake. When the, [00:03:00] one of the Candace Owens episodes you had playing in the living room and I heard her, or she was showing

[00:03:06] Luke Storey: all the 30 threes.

[00:03:07] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah.

[00:03:08] Luke Storey: Yeah. 30, 33 degrees. Mason, 33rd degree Masons. Yeah.

[00:03:14] Alyson Charles Storey: I don't know if you're ready to get right into it, but there are some questions.

[00:03:18] Luke Storey: Let's rock and roll. Uh, the show notes today will be found@lukestory.com slash 6 6 3. And anything we talk about that's linkable, uh, can be found there. Um, and many of de linkable things will be also clickable in the show description on your podcast app.

[00:03:38] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah.

[00:03:38] Luke Storey: Today's an a MA sometimes Alice and I do just general conversations and we riff, but we've gotten a lot of great questions lately.

[00:03:46] Alyson Charles Storey: We have,

[00:03:47] Luke Storey: I think we have an abundance of them, but this point we could probably do 10 of these episodes. Um,

[00:03:52] Alyson Charles Storey: but keep them coming because I, I do kind of pick and choose a little

[00:03:55] Luke Storey: bit.

[00:03:56] Luke Storey: Yeah, yeah.

[00:03:56] Alyson Charles Storey: So keep rolling 'em.

[00:03:57] Luke Storey: We only pick the ones that I, that I [00:04:00] feel I can answer adequately.

[00:04:02] Alyson Charles Storey: No kidding. That's actually not true at all. 'cause you have no idea what I'm gonna ask you,

[00:04:05] Luke Storey: right? No, I don't. I I'm just kidding.

[00:04:07] Alyson Charles Storey: Oh, okay.

[00:04:07] Because

[00:04:07] Luke Storey: sometimes they come up and I'm like, uh, I have no idea. And I'll just, I'm happy to admit that.

[00:04:12] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah. Um, so, you know, speaking of this whole 33 thing, I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that would probably classify that as, oh, that's another conspiracy theory thing. Right? And along those lines, Chris wrote in and asked, what is one conspiracy theory you used to believe that you've now changed your stance on?

[00:04:35] Luke Storey: Oh man. I, I think I have a perfect track record, honestly. It's like what is not a conspiracy at this point? Uh,

[00:04:46] Alyson Charles Storey: or I guess the more fair question for you would be like, what's something you used to not believe but now, you know, is like the, the inverse of this?

[00:04:56] Luke Storey: Yeah. Well, here's what I can say is that I think [00:05:00] when it comes to the realm of what we commonly refer to as conspiracy theories, the, the, the thing that when I find falsehoods is that when we don't know the facts of an event, then people theorize, right?

[00:05:22] Luke Storey: And so, um, take something like nine 11, which was my first major red pill, um, just because the evidence became so clear to me that the official narrative was full of holes. It was just, I mean, like it wouldn't hold water. So for example, and I use this one all the time 'cause it was, it was really like my first awakening into seeing, uh, kind of a piercing the armor of the matrix.

[00:05:48] Luke Storey: And that was around the supposed, uh, plane crash at the Pentagon. And I saw a video wherein there was no evidence of a commercial jet liner [00:06:00] on that premises at all. No seats, no bodies, no engines, no wings, no plane parts, just a hole in a building on fire with a bunch of smoke. Um, and the impossibility just in, in the straight logical world of physics, the impossibility of a plane pulling off that maneuver and then having all of its wreckage vanish into thin air.

[00:06:23] Luke Storey: So that would be something that is like, we know that what we were told is not true. Therefore, there is a conspiracy to, um, obscure the truth from the public. Where I think many of us, including myself go wrong, is then trying to figure out if what we were told didn't happen, then we theorize what did happen.

[00:06:50] Luke Storey: So you could take the Pentagon thing on nine 11 and be like, oh, it was a missile, it was a bomb, it was this country or that country, or this military [00:07:00] operation, et cetera. And people get very attached to finding answers, but the answers don't often have proof to back them up. So it's like when you're trying to make a case for something, the burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.

[00:07:20] Luke Storey: Hmm. So if the governments makes the claim that. Flight number, whatever was hijacked. And these, um, you know, primitive, middle Eastern caved dwelling terrorists somehow learned how to do this impossible maneuver and land that planet's, the Pentagon. Um, then the burden of proof is upon them to prove that that's what happened, which they have not done and weren't able to do.

[00:07:52] Luke Storey: So if I say a plane did not hit the Pentagon, I'm not beholden to prove [00:08:00] what did happen. I'm just saying what I'm being told happened is not factual. Uh, flat. The flat earth phenomenon is another one like that wherein, um, people that doubt the heliocentric model that's been fed to us are then put in a position where they have to prove what it is.

[00:08:23] Luke Storey: If it's not a ball of water floating through space at 93 million miles an hour, whatever it is, right? So it's like, I think where I get caught up sometimes less so now is when I realize something I've been told is not true, especially if it's something really meaningful, like the nature of this realm where we live.

[00:08:45] Luke Storey: Uh, I, I don't want to get attached to theories of what I think it might be, but I know in my bones that it's not what I'm being told, and that that doesn't necessarily need [00:09:00] proof. It just means that there's not an adequate amount of proof to support the claims that I'm being asked to believe. Um, but I, I don't think I've had any things that I thought were conspiracy that now I'm like, oh, no, actually, it, it was a legit story.

[00:09:19] Luke Storey: Uh, I think I've been proven wrong when I've had ideas about what the true story is and then thinking through it or learning more information, I go, well, that's not necessarily true. Again, with nine 11, uh, here's another example with that. So, in terms of, uh, building seven for those that are familiar, you know, building seven was like a 47 story skyscraper down the block from World Trade Center one and two that just imploded in itself, um, supposedly due to a fire.

[00:09:55] Luke Storey: So I. I know that that's not possible just based on [00:10:00] physics and how those buildings were built, but I don't know what happened. Right? I would, my guess would be that there were, you know, there was bombs installed throughout the building and those were detonated and they did a controlled demolition, but I can't prove that, but I can prove that the official story doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

[00:10:21] Luke Storey: And then you have, um, there's theories or the big theory with nine 11 is the first conspiracy theory was that, um, those planes couldn't have possibly taken down num, world Trade Center one and two again, just because of physics. And then there's video footage of like lower floors of the building showing.

[00:10:44] Luke Storey: Explosions and the sound of explosions like many floors beneath where the, the plane supposedly hit. So the main theory is that the planes didn't take down those buildings that they were controlled, demolition, um, operations using explosives. But [00:11:00] the deeper conspiracy theory that has come out, um, more recently in the mainstream, I mean the mainstream of conspiracy theories is that there were no planes at all, and that the whole thing was CGI.

[00:11:12] Luke Storey: And that is really interesting because there are now videos emerging that were not propagated by, uh, the news organizations, by the media. They were just man on the street, you know, somebody with their little camcorder that filmed it. And you just see these explosions and there's no plane to be seen. So it's like there's kind of definitive proof there that there weren't actually any planes and the whole thing was just a complete fabrication.

[00:11:42] Luke Storey: Um, but I don't, I don't know that to be true because someone could also take, you know, with AI now, someone could make a bunch of fake videos that look like a handheld camcorder from a civilian on the street that don't show the planes. You know, and I'll wrap that question by [00:12:00] saying I think it's a very authentic and legitimate human instinct to want to know the truth about any particular thing or event.

[00:12:14] Luke Storey: And some of us are just really, myself included, really driven to know the truth about everything. And anything in our reality, and there's a certain level of resistance, or even resentment might be a bit strong. But in my case, I've definitely felt that at times of just being deceived by whomever, no one likes to be lied to, right?

[00:12:42] Luke Storey: So it's like when you're lied to and you just know in your gut, you're being lied to, you really want to know what the truth is. And then that's when we kind of spin out and to trying to figure out what the truth is. And I think with most of these events, while we're in this [00:13:00] reality, we will never know the full truth.

[00:13:02] Luke Storey: Um, and we just have to accept that, well, what I'm being told isn't true, but I'll probably never know what the truth is. And so then it's just it, it's a good practice for developing discernment, not discerning like whether the million theories are true or not, but just the discernment to know like, is the main story true or is it not?

[00:13:25] Luke Storey: And sometimes I think we just have to leave it alone as like, well, that really doesn't feel true, but is it going to serve me to just keep digging and digging and digging and digging to find out what is true? Because that information is likely. Unattainable or you can only get to a certain level of understanding before you hit a wall.

[00:13:44] Luke Storey: Because when it comes to conspiracies that involve many people, which is kind of the definition of a conspiracy, right? Is multiple parties conspiring to toce or accomplish some shared goal. Um, it, the [00:14:00] information is so compartmentalized that you'll never get the full picture because there, there could be dozens or hundreds of people involved.

[00:14:09] Luke Storey: If you think about the pandemic, I mean, we're talking about thousands of people that are in on it. And, um, the information is compartmentalized on a need to know basis just like it is in any military operation. So only the very few at the very top of the pyramid know the full story and everyone else are just kind of following orders and don't really know why.

[00:14:31] Luke Storey: And in many cases don't even know that they're active participants in a conspiracy. They're just doing what they're told and they only have a limited amount of information. So what I would recommend is to hold these, these theories and ideas loosely and focus on living a truth within yourself. So if I don't like being deceived by the government or the [00:15:00] media, for example, what's my reaction to that?

[00:15:02] Luke Storey: It's like, how authentic and truthful can I be so that I am sending out a beacon of truth into my little corner of the world, and hopefully inspiring other people to do that. And making it safe to speak your mind and share what's true and to resist the temptation to be inauthentic or deceitful, uh, for personal gain.

[00:15:26] Luke Storey: So in other words, I don't want to react with the same kind of mindset or behavior then the people I'm fighting against. What is, what is the opposite of that? Mm-hmm.

[00:15:38] Alyson Charles Storey: And is there ever truly, truly a personal gain when you are being deceitful?

[00:15:46] Luke Storey: Yeah. No, temporary.

[00:15:48] Alyson Charles Storey: I don't even know if that's true.

[00:15:50] Luke Storey: Yeah. Well, yeah.

[00:15:52] Luke Storey: It's, it's not even temporary. It's perceived game.

[00:15:56] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah.

[00:15:57] Luke Storey: You know, I mean, when I used to lie and cheat and [00:16:00] steal and do all kinds of, uh, unsavory things out of that survival kind of, um, yeah, survival mindset and mode that I was in, it felt like that's what was necessary in order to survive or to get what I wanted.

[00:16:18] Luke Storey: Um, but yeah, it was, you're right. It wasn't even temporary. It was just. A false belief. It was the perception that if I kind of like get sneaky over here and manipulate over here, that I'm gonna get what I want and be safe. But all that does is kind of, well, it hurts other people, obviously, but it also creates an internalized, uh, compounding shame.

[00:16:45] Luke Storey: It's like when you know you're not living in truth, and especially if, you know, on some level, if you're not a sociopath, you know, you're harming other people by being selfish or deceitful. And if you have a conscience at all, there's some [00:17:00] level of shame involved in that. And that shame is disempowering to the point that it helps perpetuate more of that behavior.

[00:17:10] Luke Storey: That's been my experience. So I just, I do my best to be aware, uh, when I'm being lied to, to become less naive, um, to be more of a realist, but also to hold my theories lightly and not get attached to them. So, yeah, it, it's like my discipline is to. I have some awareness of what's going on in the world, but doing my best not to get caught up in it.

[00:17:43] Luke Storey: I'm not always successful at that, and I could probably, it would probably serve me to pay less attention to current events, but there's just kind of a morbid curiosity about what's going on. But I, I do my best to not get attached to what I think the truth is [00:18:00] because, you know, like I said, there, there are many things that happen in the world about which we will just never know the truth, you know?

[00:18:07] Luke Storey: So if I can't find the truth out there, then what is the truth within me? And how can I better learn to live by it in a principled way and, um, work on strengthening my own integrity instead of putting all of my energy out into the world and things that I can't change, and focusing so much on the lack of integrity of these institutions and systems in which we live.

[00:18:34] Alyson Charles Storey: So in a nutshell, you're saying you do your best to embody and transmit coherence in

[00:18:45] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:18:45] Alyson Charles Storey: A pretty incoherent world.

[00:18:48] Luke Storey: Yeah. But, you know, also, I mean, I still have a bit of the rebel archetype and, oh God, it's just, it's difficult to stand by. [00:19:00] Allow evil to perpetuate.

[00:19:03] Alyson Charles Storey: Well, that's what's been interesting and, you know, knowing you and being married to you is a lot of these, you know, I don't even like to call 'em conspiracy theories.

[00:19:13] Alyson Charles Storey: I just feel so stale and played out of a term at this point. I don't know what new to call these kinds of things we talk about, but, um, I just don't have a gravitational pull to be curious about them and investigate them and unpack them. And I, I just, you know, I don't have a, like a passion for, or even any kind of like zippy energy within me that's like, ooh, like let's check this out.

[00:19:41] Alyson Charles Storey: I enjoy, um, hearing about them from you because if I wasn't married to you, you know, I probably would not have much awareness 'cause I'm not drawn to those types of podcasts either, you know, or, um, so it's, it's cool that I get to hear some possible [00:20:00] other viewpoints about these kinds of things and subject matters.

[00:20:05] Alyson Charles Storey: I don't have an an inclination toward them myself.

[00:20:08] Luke Storey: You're lucky. I I, I, I really didn't use to either. I mean, I think, yeah, around the time of nine 11, I started watching a lot of independent documentaries and David Ike and Jordan Maxwell and different people, but it was, I was, it was much more indirect. I didn't feel those things in the world really impacting me in my life until the pandemic.

[00:20:36] Luke Storey: And then I was like, oh, shit, those guys were right. You know, when I started seeing it play out, and then it started having, you know, some real world, uh, effects on, on me and people that I love and things like that. And so I think that was the point where I started getting a little more pissed off about it.

[00:20:54] Luke Storey: But, you know, anger is, um, is, it's [00:21:00] useful and can be productive, but only to a point, right? There's, you know, if you look at the Huck and scale of consciousness, I mean, anger is more empowering than apathy or grief or shame, for example, but right above that is courage and then honesty and so on. So it's like, it's like kind of going through the, the gradation of emotions, like, I'm pissed off that this evil is being perpetuated, uh, upon innocent people, wars and so on.

[00:21:32] Luke Storey: Um, but at the same time it's like. Totally natural to be angry, but if I stay in that it actually makes me less effective at contributing to positive change.

[00:21:44] Alyson Charles Storey: Well, the last little note on all of this is coming to mind is when you, I don't know if by the time this airs, if that Brandy Woman's episode will have aired, but remember that big code that she unpacked with you about why, one of the biggest reasons as to why you are so [00:22:00] drawn to feel as passionate as you do about these kinds of things, and like decoding truth, you know, you, you guys will that one have already been out by now?

[00:22:10] Luke Storey: Brandy Gilmore. Yeah, Brandy Gilmore. Yeah. That was a really,

[00:22:14] Alyson Charles Storey: we won't let the cat out of the bag then if we say it's because she, she, with her spiritual gifts, she was able to, I was crossing into the kitchen when you were recording up here with her, and I only heard this one part, but I was like, oh, cool. I, I, I was glad I heard, um, this one little section where she was able to see that one of the reasons you are so passionate or fiery, um, toward injustices or things like this is because of what happened to you when you were a little boy.

[00:22:43] Luke Storey: Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, I think a lot of us in the kind of truth or movement, people that I know and myself are people that have experienced, uh, significant trauma, especially in childhood. And [00:23:00] so, you know, there's a lack of agency, a lack of control. We've had our boundaries crossed, our sovereignty has been taken in some cases, betrayal.

[00:23:10] Luke Storey: Yeah. Betrayal in some cases our, our innocence, um, people that have been abused and exploited and so on. Yeah. There's, there's like a core wound triggering. I think for some of us. I mean, I'll just speak for myself that that might not be true for someone who, you know, was raised in a really healthy, supportive, loving family and didn't experience that kind of emotional, physical, sexual trauma, et cetera.

[00:23:37] Luke Storey: So I, I think those of us, uh, that have had that experience are a bit more fiery. You know, there's like the, especially when you're young, you don't have the ability to protect yourself or stand up for yourself. And so as you kind of come into your adulthood and awakening and start to establish a sense of agency, [00:24:00] it becomes really bothersome to feel like those same things are happening on a larger scale.

[00:24:09] Alyson Charles Storey: Mm-hmm.

[00:24:09] Luke Storey: Or to see them happening to other people because you felt. The, um, the aftershocks of what that feels like.

[00:24:17] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah, that

[00:24:17] Luke Storey: makes sense. You know, to be, to be harmed, to be abused and so on.

[00:24:21] Alyson Charles Storey: Well, staying on this evolutionary thread, um, we'll weave into this one from John. He's asking, what is one thing in the wellness space that you used to believe in that you've changed your stance on?

[00:24:34] Luke Storey: Um, nothing. I've been right 100% of the time.

[00:24:37] Alyson Charles Storey: Once again, same.

[00:24:38] Luke Storey: They one. Oh. Um, yeah,

[00:24:41] Alyson Charles Storey: there's gotta be something with all the gadgets and

[00:24:44] Luke Storey: I mean, for sure. I mean, I'm just a tinkerer as you well know. Uh, people that are long time listeners know, there's just something in me. There's a curiosity around how good you can possibly feel.

[00:24:58] Luke Storey: Um, it's not, for me, it's [00:25:00] never been about longevity, about like, oh, I wanna live until I'm 200 or something. Like, I, I don't think I would enjoy that much. But, uh, it's like, I just don't like feeling bad. I don't like feeling ill. I want to feel, I wanna feel young and vital and have the energy to accomplish what my soul took on this body and this persona to do.

[00:25:25] Luke Storey: So I've tried just about anything and everything I've ever heard of that can be remotely supportive. I think there have been some situations where.

[00:25:42] Luke Storey: I haven't had a respectful and reciprocal relationship with my body and my self will, has overridden feedback and I've [00:26:00] had a more dominionistic relationship with the body as something separate from me that I'm going to force into

[00:26:08] Alyson Charles Storey: rather than listening to its intelligence and really harmonizing and co-creating with it as one.

[00:26:13] Luke Storey: Yeah. So for example, um, you know, I had mild and periodic tinnitus many years ago. And, uh, you know, it was, it was bothersome, but it wasn't something that really interfered with my day-to-day life, uh, in a meaningful way. And then I found that there was this treatment a lot of people were having success with, with hearing loss and tinnitus.

[00:26:37] Luke Storey: And so I got an invitation to go have a treatment and, um, I didn't think about it. I was just like, boom. Booked a plane ticket, went and did it. And um, after that the tinnitus got much worse. Now, I dunno if it's correlation or causation, but out of all of the things I've done in terms of just experimentation and the, you know, [00:27:00] biohacking, uh, kind of realm.

[00:27:03] Luke Storey: That's the only one that I, I wish I could turn back the clock on and be like, dude, you didn't even check in with your body. Or you, maybe your ears don't want that. You know, maybe your brain doesn't want that. Um, and I, I mean, even as like, I've made so many mistakes and done so much stupid shit in my life, I don't really have any regrets, you know?

[00:27:28] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm. It's like those experiences have all caused me enough pain that they've motivated me to change, you know? So they've all been some sort of catalyst for me to evolve with that situation. It's like, I, I, I don't see the upside of it yet, you know what I mean? 'cause I'm still suffering the consequences.

[00:27:49] Luke Storey: I think the only upside is that I'm starting to build more of an awareness that I need to be in partnership with my body and not just do whatever I want to. It. It's got its own intelligence and it [00:28:00] needs to be honored and listened to. So, you know, there, there is that benefit, but I think sometimes I could have a bit more patience and mindfulness around how I just like, dive into things full on.

[00:28:18] Luke Storey: And, you know, I don't read the instructions on shit. I just, if it's like, start slow, you know, start on number two. I'm like, cool. So you mean number 11? Boom. Crank it up, do the max full on, uh.

[00:28:30] Alyson Charles Storey: I'm aware.

[00:28:31] Luke Storey: Yeah. So it's not, I guess to the, to the question specifically, nothing comes to mind that's like, oh, I used to think this was really cool or good for you, and then I learned it's harmful.

[00:28:41] Luke Storey: I, I can't think of anything like that, but it's more about just the psychology of it and being a bit more prudent about things when I adopt them or try them. Um, for example, you know, going back to the tinnitus thing, it's like, of course for [00:29:00] the past three years that it's been really off the charts and, and quite problematic on many levels, uh, you know, I'm trying to figure out what did I do, what did I do then that might help me find a solution if I can find out how I damage my ears.

[00:29:12] Luke Storey: Right. Um, so you take something like hyperbaric oxygen therapy, which is, I mean, there's a lot of data to support its benefits. Uh, so I bought a chamber a few years ago and was just doing tons and tons of those. And then when my tinnitus got really bad, I noticed that if I would go in the hyperbaric chamber, that my tinnitus would be much worse afterward.

[00:29:35] Luke Storey: And after that happened a couple times, I immediately sold it. So I might have messed my ears up by just overdoing the hyperbaric chambers and not, you know, taking necessary precautions. Same with doing ozone in my ears. I've thought of that. Ozone gas is quite warm. It might be a bit caustic to the delicate inner ear.

[00:29:54] Luke Storey: I never knew that. I never thought about that. I was doing that shit many times a week for years. [00:30:00] You know? So I think it's like, not that there are things that have proven to be worthless per se, but just overdoing it, um, in some cases and just, and not being more careful and patient when I discover something new and just charge ahead, you know?

[00:30:20] Alyson Charles Storey: Fair enough.

[00:30:22] Luke Storey: Yeah. And there's been, you know, there's been tons of supplements that I've wasted money on that I didn't see an effect from. But I haven't really, like if you, if I think about supplements, there's been nothing that I've had like a negative reaction from or anything like that. There's been things that I've found to be more beneficial than others.

[00:30:43] Luke Storey: And the things that kind of stand the test of time in my personal, you know, day-to-day lifestyle, um, you know, there's a few things that have lasted because I really see, you know, uh, verifiable benefits and some things just kind of fall by the wayside. 'cause it's [00:31:00] like, eh, it might be good for you, but you know, I'm not gonna take 150 freaking pills a day, you know?

[00:31:06] Alyson Charles Storey: Gotcha.

[00:31:07] Luke Storey: Maybe 50, not 150.

[00:31:08] Alyson Charles Storey: Oh God. Oh, well I'm glad you're bringing that more into your field of awareness. You know, we, we do a good job at letting one another be sovereign and, but also being, you know, authentically and honestly expressed to each other. And I know that I've definitely spoken up to you a number of times about like, are you sure you really need to do that?

[00:31:34] Alyson Charles Storey: Are you sure? Like, have you really like sat with that? Are you, you know, like I try to bring in like a second, third, sometimes fourth check on things. Um, but I also don't wanna, you know, be a micromanaging nag, hag.

[00:31:51] Luke Storey: Don, you Karen.

[00:31:53] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah.

[00:31:54] Luke Storey: Bio and Karen. What?

[00:31:55] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah. You just, you know, it's like, but there's also really positive [00:32:00] side to that aspect of you that kind of like, you know, with your book while in one episode recently, you know, I made a little bit light of like, you know, well you turn your book in already, but at the same time, that thing in you, that just knows how far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far.

[00:32:21] Alyson Charles Storey: You gotta stretch things and go to get that book, to get your book to where you and all parts of you will feel. Fully pleased and like you, you know, it got it to its quote unquote right place. You know, it just got a flash of, you know, that aspect I'm sure will serve you well with your book, but you know, it's like kind of that same vein of things like with your ears.

[00:32:51] Alyson Charles Storey: They were just kind of low to medium, but that component in you that's like, no, I can get this better. I can get this to [00:33:00] nothing to low rather than low to medium. And then it, like, by then you kind of pushing that vein then and that scenario, it actually exacerbated it wildly. And so it's like, I guess I'm saying all of this to say, I'm glad you are, and more conscious awareness of it.

[00:33:18] Alyson Charles Storey: So in whether it seems like a small or a big decision, you're tuning more into what is really true here. Instead of just stretching that vein way out all the way through the way you have a tendency to, it's like, oh, is, does that curse and gift in me? Like, what, what will that bring if I implement that aspect of me right now in this scenario?

[00:33:45] Luke Storey: It's a double-edged sword. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's, yeah, it's that I'm, it's just part of my nature to be extreme. It's like I just. Something about [00:34:00] this human experience. I just wanna get, squeeze every bit of juice out of it. And so I go pretty hard and, you know, I'm willing to take responsibility for the consequences, but as I get older, I'm like, do I really want those consequences?

[00:34:19] Luke Storey: So, you know, I've, I've definitely been learning to temper my obsessive nature around things, and you've been really helpful in that. I think when we first got together, you know, you've probably never dated or even known many people that roll like me in this particular way. Um, you know, being an ex addict and just full on, uh, in the way that I am.

[00:34:46] Luke Storey: And so I've seen, you know, your, uh, level of discomfort with that in the beginning, kind of ease as you've been able to trust that I am [00:35:00] taking care of myself, um, properly. And I've also learned a lot from you. Just seeing how you operate in the world. And also you've been proven, right so many times when you're like, Hey, maybe you, you know, maybe you could pump the brakes a little here.

[00:35:15] Luke Storey: Just not trying to control me, but just 'cause you love me. And, uh,

[00:35:19] Alyson Charles Storey: well I also am an oracle and I see a lot that you don't see

[00:35:22] very

[00:35:22] Alyson Charles Storey: much. Literally my duty is your wife to then bring what I am seeing to your attention.

[00:35:27] Luke Storey: I agree. Yeah. Yeah. You're the spiritual protector of the, the little family we have here.

[00:35:34] Luke Storey: But yeah. And also just, I've learned a lot from you too about just tuning in with the body and with my soul, my higher self with nature. I mean, I remember, you know, back in the day I'd be, I wanna go cut some branches off our tree or something. And you're like, well, did you ask the tree? And I'm like, ask the tree, like, was the tree doesn't know any different, you know what I mean?[00:36:00]

[00:36:00] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah. And did you ask your wife? Did you ask the tree? Yeah. Like, you can't just go all willy nilly with your hacksaw and chuck them down.

[00:36:07] Luke Storey: So I,

[00:36:07] Alyson Charles Storey: trees, arms.

[00:36:08] Luke Storey: Yeah. I think, um, you know, and, and I don't think I know in many ways I've just, yeah. I've learned to tune into subtlety more. Same with like working with plant medicines, you know, it's like when I first got into that, um, kind of work, I mean, I really got my socks knocked off in some powerful and beautiful ways and saw so much.

[00:36:30] Luke Storey: Change. Just, I mean, I was transformed and healed, um, just in so many beautiful experiences. And because I'm just wired for intensity, it's been difficult for me to find the gifts and more subtle experiences, and that's something you've really helped me to, um, become aware of and to acknowledge and to value, right?

[00:36:53] Luke Storey: So it's like you don't, al it doesn't have to be, um, uh, paradigm [00:37:00] shattering, you know, out of body experience to still receive gifts and insights and, and healing, you know, so

[00:37:09] Alyson Charles Storey: Well, that was gonna be my last point, um, is, I was gonna take it to exactly there, is that you are saying something to the effect of like, it's just in you, your extreme nature, because you wanna just, I don't know, you have the biggest or most powerful life, or whatever you said along those lines, but as soon as you said that, what I found fascinating is that as someone who works in the subtle realms, I completely feel that I am living the absolute fullest, richest, totality esque.

[00:37:52] Alyson Charles Storey: Human life, earth walk, that is possible for me. You know? So I just found that fascinating that [00:38:00] you come from more of the, is extremism even a word? And then I am more subtle realm. So we're kind of at the opposite ends of the spectrum, but yet we are both. We both feel we're experiencing like the richest fullest life possible.

[00:38:18] Luke Storey: Yin and yang, baby. Yeah, I mean, it makes perfect sense. And the feminine energy, you're receptive, subtle feeling into things. Having, um, you know, that level,

[00:38:33] Alyson Charles Storey: but the experience of living in the subtle is not subtle at all. And I think that's, now I feel a little fire and passion coming up in me because it's like, and you subtle realm workers out there listening, you're probably like, yeah.

[00:38:46] Alyson Charles Storey: And I don't know that I can even begin to articulate this, but you already know what I'm talking about. There's such a misconception about those of us that weave into, um, the subtleties and, and have the gifts [00:39:00] for being able to sniff so loud and clear, just the slightest of waft that comes through that tells you a message.

[00:39:08] Alyson Charles Storey: Um, because that way of living is so potent and so alive and so rich and so clear, it's so vibrant. Um, there's nothing subtle about being a person whose specialties working in the subtle realms. And it's hard to explain, but,

[00:39:29] Luke Storey: well, I'm speaking of, it's so powerful in

[00:39:32] Alyson Charles Storey: there in the

[00:39:33] Luke Storey: yin and yang, positive, negative, masculine feminine, more in terms of qualitative analysis rather than quantitative.

[00:39:45] Luke Storey: In other words, not that one is preferred, just how they're different. So it's like if you're using a heightened sensitivity, intuition, discernment [00:40:00] in a way that is not as overt and that's more subtle, I'm not saying that your experience of that is less valid, meaningful, impactful, full, it just works in a different way.

[00:40:14] Alyson Charles Storey: Mm-hmm.

[00:40:15] Luke Storey: And so I've learned to tap more into that listening, waiting, observing, being patient, using my, you know, my intuition. Um, rather than just charging ahead, like, I want this thing, I'm going for it. Boom, boom, boom. You know, it's like the,

[00:40:34] Alyson Charles Storey: well, the subtleties you're working at one with God and how can it get more powerful than that?

[00:40:40] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:40:41] Alyson Charles Storey: Period.

[00:40:41] Luke Storey: Yeah. True.

[00:40:42] Alyson Charles Storey: And again, I'm not saying you're saying this, but I just wanna go back to like, there is that misconception about the subtle realms not equating to being powerful. Mm-hmm. And there just couldn't be anything further from the truth. Yeah. It's the most powerful to me.

[00:40:59] Luke Storey: Yeah. [00:41:00] Well, I've experienced that, uh, you know, in the past couple years of writing nonstop for hundreds of hours.

[00:41:08] Luke Storey: It's like the. Masculine side of me that's very driven and, uh, you know, attached to production and accomplishing things and getting things done, and checking things off the list and making progress. If I was only using that energy, the finished product would be felt, uh, in a much different way, in a limited way by the reader who is able to tap into the subtlety, subtleties and the energy behind it.

[00:41:41] Luke Storey: So I've had to learn how to tap into the, get shit done. Mm-hmm. Discipline of doing the work. But what's behind the work is more of the feminine energy, the creativity, being very aware and conscious of like, what is the intentionality [00:42:00] behind the words that are being produced and, you know, added to documents and how many words are they, you know, it's like,

[00:42:09] Alyson Charles Storey: yeah, yeah.

[00:42:09] Luke Storey: There, there's kind of the, the physical manifestation is the result of the masculine side that's like driven by accomplishment. But the actual essence of the work is driven by the more fluid, creative, artistic part of, of myself. It's more, it's more from my heart than from the mind. Right.

[00:42:28] Alyson Charles Storey: And alignment and coherence.

[00:42:29] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:42:30] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah.

[00:42:30] Luke Storey: So, yeah, I mean, I think that's one of the coolest things that I. That I learned from you is finding that balance within myself, because I have a model for what the power of feminine energy looks like and feels like, and how in some cases, so much more can be accomplished with that energy, with less expenditure of effort than the driving, forcing, pushing, accomplishing, [00:43:00] getting done.

[00:43:00] Luke Storey: Right. It's like there's a, there's the art of allowing kind of thing where things just unfold and get done because there's no resistance. Mm-hmm. Preventing it from being done, right. Yeah. It's like things just kind of come to you and, um, and unfold in a natural progression that doesn't require force behind it.

[00:43:23] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah. I'm in the river of the divine. Yeah. And I've observed, it's been kind of interesting, you know, for anyone who knows a bit about me and my journey or listens to our episodes together, then you probably know, you know, the last fe three plus years, it's been more of an renut, uh, semi-retired cave dweller time for me and I, I am getting back out into the world, but you know, when I'm listening to those God, soul, earth mother.

[00:43:57] Alyson Charles Storey: Commandments or instructions or directives. [00:44:00] I, you know, I truly easefully live by them for the most part. But there were definitely times in the semi-retired period where I would be like, oh gosh, you know, do I even quote unquote exist anymore in the, in the outside world? Or am I, you know, gonna be quote unquote left behind?

[00:44:20] Alyson Charles Storey: You know, all of these whatever companies or brands or people that I used to partner with or co-create with, do they even know that I'm still on planet Earth? You know, those kinds of things would definitely, those ponders would swirl in. Um, but what has been fascinating is I have observed this might not hold true a hundred percent of the time across the board, but for the most part, even though I've been the, in this renut zone, I'll still observe that I'm kind of still right with some of my colleagues that have continued to be out there like.

[00:44:55] Alyson Charles Storey: Kind of 24 7 and cranking out the content like crazy. And, and you [00:45:00] know, hats off to you if, if that's the way that your path is, is meant to function and live. Like it's, again, it's not a good bad, right, wrong, but it's just that is, I've observed my curiosity in that. It's like, oh wow, I've been kind of tucked away in a cave, um, and doing the deepest dinner work while they've continued to be out there.

[00:45:18] Alyson Charles Storey: But then I will get a call to like, give a talk here or do that. And, and they're, they're all right there with me also on that same event. And they're, they've been out, out, out, out, out. And then I just kind of come out of the cave and I'm like, oh, Paolo again. Do you know what I'm trying to say?

[00:45:34] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:45:34] Alyson Charles Storey: It's really interesting.

[00:45:36] Luke Storey: Yeah. It's like the difference between power and force.

[00:45:41] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah.

[00:45:41] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm. Power is autonomous and it has its own inertia and movement to it, whereas force, you know, requires a lot more effort and grit. That's the [00:46:00] balance. I'm always trying to find

[00:46:01] Alyson Charles Storey: Uhhuh,

[00:46:01] Luke Storey: you know, there's so much power in just say, you know, to use your example, right?

[00:46:07] Luke Storey: You have peers or colleagues that are out in the world in a much more visible way than you have. You've been kind of in the monk zone for a few years now. Yeah. And so on its face, you could say, oh, there. You know, creating all this content, they're out in the world. They're much more visible publicly and therefore it would seem they're having more impact.

[00:46:29] Luke Storey: But that impact is more coming from a place of force just to use that frame, not that it's being done in a wrong way. 'cause I've, I've been, I've been the person that you're referring to. Like, I'm out here just cranking out content, being a mover and shaker writing books, doing all these things. But it's like, I would argue that in terms of making a positive contribution to humanity, the work you've been doing, which has been more internalized, is coming from a place of power [00:47:00] and has a reverberation that is more felt than seen.

[00:47:07] Luke Storey: Yes. And that, you know, to your point of like, you haven't fallen behind, so to speak, in terms of your own personal evolution development and also in what value you're able to contribute when you do emerge from said cave and you're like, Hey, here's what I've been up to. Right. So it's like you've had a quantum, from my perspective, you've had quantum leaps in your growth and maturity and understanding and all of those things, but one wouldn't really know that unless they're in your inner circle and observing what you're going through.

[00:47:42] Alyson Charles Storey: Mm-hmm.

[00:47:43] Luke Storey: But someone who knew you five years ago and hasn't seen anything from you and then sees you again is gonna be

[00:47:49] Alyson Charles Storey: like, where'd that lady go?

[00:47:50] Luke Storey: Well, you'll the, you'll be noticeably different.

[00:47:53] Alyson Charles Storey: Yes, that's true. That will be interesting.

[00:47:55] Luke Storey: Even though your, you know, your inner, your experience [00:48:00] has been more internalized and more private.

[00:48:02] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:48:03] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah. Gosh, there was one other thing that I was gonna say about all of that, and it felt like it was gonna be a good point. It just like eviscerated into thin air. Hmm. Well, yeah, I guess if it comes to me later, I'll bring it back up, but,

[00:48:20] Luke Storey: well, here's what I would propose, um, after I get this damn book out this year and then spend the following months or years trying to put it out into the world, you could take a turn.

[00:48:34] Luke Storey: Being the extroverted person that's out in the world, I feel like I could use some introverted cave time to just be a renunciate and do my monk walk because I've been so active and like I've been producing so much. Tangible external work for so long, I mean, decades. Oh, I

[00:48:55] Alyson Charles Storey: just realized what I was gonna say.

[00:48:57] Luke Storey: So I'm ready for a break, is what I'm saying.

[00:48:59] Alyson Charles Storey: Right? [00:49:00] Yeah. And this kind of weaves with that. Um, and I hear you and I've been aware of that, and it's also up to God. And also case in point to the brain fog that I just had a second ago where I was like, what was that big thought that I just had? It's like I'm having a grip so tight to it right now.

[00:49:18] Alyson Charles Storey: I have been dealing with the mast cell histamine stuff. Um, I haven't really talked publicly about it. I'm finding my way with it. And, um, working with Dr. Shippy here who we, we both love to do all these labs and get all these test results back, um, to keep cracking this code. But that's been one of the fascinating things is I, as I am now ready to get back out into the world again.

[00:49:42] Alyson Charles Storey: Yes, I'm quantumly different I, my transmission, my embodiment on the deepest soul levels is different. I am as far back to my origin essence as I think it's kind of possible to get to through d devotion to evolutionary work and also dealing with some of the [00:50:00] stuff from our fertility journey and this mast cell stuff.

[00:50:03] Alyson Charles Storey: I also deal with this like bizarre brain fog and fatigue that I've never had to deal with all of my life. I've been historically such a effervescent high energy person, so capable, so driven, and there's like such a lack of. Energy and motivation, and also at times like some, you know, mental health swirls that go along with this mast cell stuff.

[00:50:25] Alyson Charles Storey: So it's, it's interesting to me, you know, to be ready to be back out in the world and I'm coming out is such a different person in all forms, but physically too, my brain is functioning differently. So kind of an always mind-body, spirit, soul. I am learning who I am in this form again, and as I enter back out into the world again, I'm going to be functioning differently.

[00:50:51] Alyson Charles Storey: Um, even in these interviews I'll have these like occasional brain fog moments. But the thing that I was trying to say is in that renunciate [00:51:00] period, it took me just until recently to connect this dot, I, I was, you know, staying in prayer connection with God of like, when will this semi-retired period be over?

[00:51:12] Alyson Charles Storey: Um, when it is ready to be over, what is your next directive to me? What's your next call for me? And when these clear answers weren't coming in, um, especially as I started to feel more and more ready to be of service again because I do love to be of service and, you know, write books and do fire ceremonies and all the things and support people and reconnecting to their own divine power, the answer to what is my new form of service just wasn't coming in, wasn't coming in.

[00:51:39] Alyson Charles Storey: And recently I finally connected the dot. I was like, oh my gosh. Um. The last few years I have just been being of service in a completely different way. My of Serviceness never went away. That never left. I just couldn't see it because it was functioning so differently. It was more [00:52:00] private. And, um, you know, I'm, I'm not trying to paint this in a way that's like wonky, but you know, just being so close friends to even James while he was on his journey, um, I was there as a friend, you know, and to support and witness and at times usher when needed.

[00:52:19] Alyson Charles Storey: But, um, that's just one example of how a lot of my love and, and, and care and energy that in the past would've gone toward these more physical, tangible, outward showing ways of being service. There were so many huge, um, more private operational ways in which I was being of service, you know? Um, and, and you know, walking with, you know, that family that we love so much, um, is just, is just one example.

[00:52:54] Alyson Charles Storey: Like there were so many other things that. And ways in which I was being [00:53:00] of service that just weren't outwardly being shown. And for some reason there was just kind of like a veil over that. And it just got so clear in this past few weeks where I thought, oh my gosh, I've been, I've never stopped being of service.

[00:53:15] Alyson Charles Storey: The functionality of my of Serviceness is all that shifted. It went from more public to very private.

[00:53:24] Luke Storey: Yeah, it's like we, we were talking about on a few, a few of these ago, I forget which number it was, but about, um, this phenomenon of social justice warriors and, and things of that nature. Um,

[00:53:43] Luke Storey: I think a lot of people with the best intentions also are of service or, um, and tend to be of service, are supportive of their fellow, fellow humans in ways that are very overt and [00:54:00] sometimes lack authenticity or motivated from a place of wanting to gain significance or attention and throughout our lives to.

[00:54:14] Luke Storey: If we're on a spiritual path, we're just fluid in the way our gifts express aren't really up to us if we're really following the call. Mm-hmm. If we're following God's will or the directive of source, however you wanna frame it

[00:54:27] Alyson Charles Storey: and your own heart too.

[00:54:29] Luke Storey: Yeah. It's sometimes how you contribute is going to be overt and visible and sometimes not.

[00:54:37] Luke Storey: And neither one has more or less value. I think the beauty in it is just honoring how you and your soul want to express at any given time. You know, and that's, I, I never pause long enough to even feel into that. You know, I, I do miss having a more, like one-on-one tangible [00:55:00] practice of being, of service that I had for so long in, in recovery circles and whatnot, where I really got to participate in incredible transformation and just give of myself in a more personal way where, um, uh, sacrifice is the wrong word, but giving in ways that were much more inconvenient, you know?

[00:55:22] Luke Storey: And I think. When it comes to service for me, the more inconvenient it is and, and the more resistance I have to it in terms of helping other people, the more I benefit from it. Whereas it's like, you know, someone's, Hey, I'm really hard up. Can I borrow a hundred bucks? It's like, oh yeah, here's a hundred bucks.

[00:55:39] Luke Storey: It doesn't, it's, it doesn't sting. You know what I mean? Where if someone's like, Hey, can you drive me to the airport at 4:00 AM on Sunday morning? Or whatever, right. It's like, ah, man, God, I really don't wanna do that, but you know, it's the right thing to do, so I'm gonna do it. And I would just feel so good having done that.

[00:55:56] Luke Storey: There'd be much more of a reward in that than giving, you know, [00:56:00] someone on the street, you know, a couple bucks or something like that in front of seven 11, right? It is like low hanging fruit. But if you think about, um, the way I think about it is a rising tide lifts all boats, you know, when it comes to consciousness.

[00:56:16] Luke Storey: And so it's like you, you see these mass meditation, um, events and groups, right? Where people on a certain date and time will meditate with a certain intentionality around love or creating harmony. And they've done tests on this where the crime rates get lower in. A certain city that is being preyed upon or meditated upon, right?

[00:56:39] Luke Storey: Those people aren't out there with protest signs and, you know, throwing motov cocktails, they're probably having more of an impact doing that inner evolutionary work than many people are who are out making a bunch of noise, you know? And people are just suited for different things. I mean, god bless the warriors that are [00:57:00] out there fighting the man and doing it in a way that's really visible and quantifiable.

[00:57:04] Luke Storey: But I, I think that most of the change we wanna see in the world comes as a result of doing our own interpersonal work and our, and also the work with our immediate relationships. You know, it's, you and I have like, put in a lot of, I mean, I don't say it's work, I don't think about it like that, but we've paid a lot of attention around how we relate and the kind of relationship we want, and the kind of love we want to share, and how we wanna support each other.

[00:57:32] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm. And there's a, we might not be, you know, at the moment, like teaching about conscious relationships or something, which we've done and will do, but I know when we're out in public and we're together and we have the kind of love that we have that that has a massive impact that doesn't need to be stated and doesn't need a a t-shirt slogan.

[00:57:55] Luke Storey: It's just

[00:57:56] Alyson Charles Storey: mm-hmm.

[00:57:56] Luke Storey: It's an embodiment, you know? And, and most of the people, and we've talked [00:58:00] about. You know, certain people that we've interacted with like Swami over the years, where you're just like, whoa, that person's the real deal. Right. You ju there's a felt sense of their mm-hmm. Power and their presence, but they're working in the subtle realms and are relatively unknown publicly.

[00:58:18] Luke Storey: It

[00:58:18] Alyson Charles Storey: doesn't even really have an Instagram and all of that

[00:58:21] Luke Storey: stuff. Exactly. And I've found sometimes the people that have positively impacted me are usually the most low key and unknown.

[00:58:33] Alyson Charles Storey: Mm-hmm.

[00:58:34] Luke Storey: Kind of obscure people,

[00:58:36] Alyson Charles Storey: even Steve and New Mexico. Yeah, exactly. Doesn't have any social, he doesn't even have a website.

[00:58:40] Luke Storey: Yeah, exactly. And there's a, there's a lot of lightworkers that will never even know they're just existing and the way they're helping to contribute and share their gifts and share their love is done in a way that is anonymous.

[00:58:58] Alyson Charles Storey: Mm-hmm.

[00:58:59] Luke Storey: There's, and there's [00:59:00] no, you know, um, there's no valuation on which way is better or not.

[00:59:06] Luke Storey: It's just a matter of like, where you are in your life and how tuned in you are to yourself, you

[00:59:11] Alyson Charles Storey: know? Right. And, and what you know to the best of your ability. What feels in most pristine alignment to the accordance of pure love God's will and. The, the directives of your soul and its calling for why, uh, came to Earth in the first place.

[00:59:25] Alyson Charles Storey: So

[00:59:26] Luke Storey: yeah.

[00:59:27] Alyson Charles Storey: Alright. Well that was a long winding road from whatever that originally got. I don't even know. We started with either. I think it started with people

[00:59:36] Luke Storey: submit the questions that are like, um, you answered the question in the first five minutes. I'm good.

[00:59:41] Alyson Charles Storey: I think it was this, we've only done two so far, and that was like, what was something in the wellness space you used to believe in?

[00:59:48] Alyson Charles Storey: I think, oh my God. I think we ended from where we did from that. So this one can be a short one. This is

[00:59:53] Luke Storey: where we need like a producer, a director that's like, guys,

[00:59:56] Alyson Charles Storey: no, you're

[00:59:57] Luke Storey: not answering the question anymore.

[00:59:59] Alyson Charles Storey: [01:00:00] I'm, I'm a producer and I'm, we're doing it right. Good. This can be like kind of a short, somewhat silly one.

[01:00:07] Alyson Charles Storey: Before we get to your Luke's favorite things, uh, Jojo asks, uh, who would you say is someone that you don't trust at this time? I just thought that that was such an odd random specific question. Who first

[01:00:22] Luke Storey: one

[01:00:22] Alyson Charles Storey: would be

[01:00:22] Luke Storey: Jared?

[01:00:23] Alyson Charles Storey: Who do you not trust

[01:00:24] Luke Storey: the, the silent man in the room? I don't know what he's up to.

[01:00:27] Luke Storey: No. Um, I, I think for me,

[01:00:34] Alyson Charles Storey: keep it honest.

[01:00:35] Luke Storey: I, I am, I mean. Obviously that they're not interested in people I don't trust on a personal level, but

[01:00:41] Alyson Charles Storey: No, I bet she is. She's probably like, who's someone that in your,

[01:00:45] Luke Storey: I can't think of anyone who's broken trust with me personally lately. I'm sure there are, but I just, I don't know.

[01:00:53] Luke Storey: I don't focus on them, but, um, I can't answer more broadly and that is [01:01:00] you have many public figures who are popular and well respected, um, many of whom I've thought well of and respected. I, I think when people show their colors, and for me when I lose trust is when they're silent about things that they, I think they shouldn't be.

[01:01:27] Luke Storey: Or if I catch them being out of alignment or deceitful. So for example, um, Deepak Chopra is someone that I used to, um, yeah, I used to read his books and listen to his audio books back in the day. I mean, I'm going 20 years ago or something. It wasn't, it's not like a teacher that has stayed with me, but someone I definitely learned from and was inspired by.

[01:01:49] Luke Storey: And then you see, you know, he's like in the Epstein files, you know what I mean? I mean, not in a super incriminating way,

[01:01:56] Alyson Charles Storey: but a couple of things. I didn't read that stuff and go down that rabbit [01:02:00] hole. But just the one email I saw, just what he said about women, or it was, there was some,

[01:02:05] Luke Storey: oh, he was, he was kind of maybe joking to play devil's advocate that God is a construct, but hot girls aren't.

[01:02:11] Luke Storey: It was something like that.

[01:02:12] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah. Well that's not funny.

[01:02:13] Luke Storey: Yeah. So coming from someone else, you just be like, oh, ha ha. But you know, when someone is representing themselves as a spiritual teacher and things like that, um, you know, that becomes problematic in terms of, um, the authenticity of their message. I think also during, um, during the pandemic, it was a pretty big trust breach for me.

[01:02:38] Luke Storey: When people were promoting the injections and telling people to work their masks,

[01:02:43] Alyson Charles Storey: you'll get free donuts.

[01:02:45] Luke Storey: Yeah. I mean that's, that's a pretty big tell. Um, yeah, I think it's like when people. Some not that everyone, again, has to be a social justice warrior, but when someone, when it [01:03:00] touches someone's, when a topic touches someone's lane and they're silent about it, then that gives me pause a bit.

[01:03:11] Luke Storey: So for example, um, I started this podcast in 2016, so almost 10 years. I think it was June was the first episode. And so I never talked about politics or conspiracy theories or anything like that. It wasn't like it wasn't in my lane. I'm talking about spirituality and health and whatever, right? Building the ultimate lifestyle by, you know, just finding different modalities and teachings and principles and practices and all the things and like, how can I bring guests on that give people tools that they can further research and apply to their life to improve their experience.

[01:03:45] Luke Storey: So it was like, in my personal life, I would be interested in things that I would never talk about on the podcast. Entered 2020, the, the machine, the matrix kind of jumped into my lane because now we're [01:04:00] talking about health and they're fabricating a disease that doesn't exist. And, um, just hurting a lot of people in the process with the masks and the social distancing and all this stuff that is just so overtly wrong.

[01:04:17] Luke Storey: If I would've stayed silent about that in my own integrity and not. I had the courage to speak out against it, which I did from early 2020 on, and will continue to for as long as I'm around because it was just so brutal in that whole situation. I think people kind of forgot about it too fast, to be honest.

[01:04:35] Luke Storey: I mean, a, you don't wanna focus on something to the point of like, okay, let's move on. But during that whole period with all of the George Floyd stuff and just, there's a lot of PSYOPs going on. Um, when I saw people in, in my space, in my lane, my peers either just being silent or actually being a [01:05:00] mouthpiece for the Matrix, I lost a lot of trust in people during that time.

[01:05:06] Luke Storey: And also notice, like when it became more mainstream to speak the truth,

[01:05:11] Alyson Charles Storey: all of a sudden

[01:05:12] Luke Storey: they showed up about these. Yeah. Then everyone's like an anti-vaxxer all of a sudden, you know, it's kind of like, dude, where were you June, 2020 homie? You know?

[01:05:21] Alyson Charles Storey: Hmm.

[01:05:21] Luke Storey: It's like, I mean, I got shadow banned on social media.

[01:05:24] Luke Storey: I lost. Advertisers. Um, I mean, I didn't get a lot of heat and a lot of blow back, but, you know, it definitely didn't help me in terms of my mainstream potential to be a, I dunno, Lewis Howes or Jay Shetty or, you know, whoever, like some of the bigger podcasters in the personal development space.

[01:05:44] Alyson Charles Storey: And I don't know if you'd wanna edit this next part out, but even in your book process,

[01:05:49] Luke Storey: I, I can talk about that.

[01:05:50] Luke Storey: Yeah, that impact too. I mean, now the contract's signed, so the book's done, it's been accepted. Yeah, I mean, um, I think, yeah, [01:06:00] as a quantifiable, um, sort of, um, negative impact when I was shopping my book proposal to the major publishers and, you know, you gotta know the major publishers, ultimately all major corporations, as things get more centralized, uh, you know, it's the same five companies basically control the whole world, you know, to, to put it in a really kind of simplistic term.

[01:06:28] Luke Storey: So yeah, there was, uh, more rejections than I anticipated based on the initial kind of response and excitement about the book from publishers and, um, those that declined to, you know, submit, um, an offer on, on the book, uh, cited my kind of problematic views. Some people that I've hosted on the podcast as reasons like, ah, that's a really great book.

[01:06:59] Luke Storey: He's a great [01:07:00] guy, he's got a great platform, but he is a little too fringe, you know, a little too outspoken mm-hmm. About certain things. So I, I feel very blessed that my publisher was willing to kind of take a chance on me. And I'm hoping we're able to sense the intentionality of how I talk about things and why I talk about them, and that I'm not trying to hurt anyone.

[01:07:22] Luke Storey: I just am actually, if I'm outspoken about something that I believe to be wrong, such as the pandemic, for example, um, I'm not doing it for any reason other than to just bring awareness to something that I think will be helpful to people and maybe prevent some people from really being harmed. You know, it's just like, I don't, I'm not out there to try to destroy the government or something.

[01:07:49] Luke Storey: I'm just like, Hey, you guys we're being lied to in ways that could really impact your life in a, in a really negative way. Mm-hmm. Such as [01:08:00] those injections, which now I think is pretty clear to most people, unless they're like a full blown NPC, that was probably not a good thing to put in your body, you know?

[01:08:09] Luke Storey: And I know people personally that died as a result of that. And so, you know, how, how would I be feeling right now if I never said anything Right. I mean, I tried to warn someone very close to me and, um, I just didn't get to them in time and they, you know, ended up, um, checking out as a result. So, yeah. So yeah, I've lost trust for a lot of people, but I don't focus on it, you know, it's just I see signs and then I go, oh, okay.

[01:08:41] Luke Storey: I don't know if we're on the same team. We're, we're just not aligned. It's not about making people wrong or about me standing on my pedestal being right. I'm sure there's a, there's tons of things I've been wrong about too, but when, uh, yeah, when someone's kind of created a platform, and I can see that they are, they [01:09:00] probably know more than they're letting onto, and they're not being truthful and authentic about their position, especially when you see that they're silent and then all of a sudden when it's kind of safe, then they come out and start being outspoken to kind of, I don't know, jump on the bandwagon or increase their engagement or relevance or whatever.

[01:09:19] Luke Storey: It's, yeah, it's a little bit problematic.

[01:09:23] Alyson Charles Storey: Gotcha.

[01:09:24] Luke Storey: And there's also things that I talk about privately with my friends with you that I don't feel would be appropriate to talk about in the same way on the podcast. I mean, I think everyone that kind of has a public persona, right? You, I mean, you have certain things that you might believe or ideas that you're, you're teasing apart trying to understand that.

[01:09:45] Luke Storey: That it isn't required that you necessarily talk about them publicly either. 'cause they're private and there's no purpose in sharing them more publicly. Or in my case, sometimes I just, I also don't speak on things unless, [01:10:00] unless and until I have a somewhat clear understanding and position. And that's just, I, it takes me a while to kind of just feel into things.

[01:10:09] Luke Storey: Right. So I I'm not gonna be the guy, like the day a news story breaks. Right. I'm not like, that's why I don't have a YouTube channel where it's like Luke's reaction videos. Like, I don't know what I think about stuff.

[01:10:19] Alyson Charles Storey: Right.

[01:10:19] Luke Storey: The dust has to settle a little, gotta

[01:10:21] Alyson Charles Storey: marinate on this.

[01:10:22] Luke Storey: Yeah. Before I kind of can go, ah, I have an idea what's going on here.

[01:10:26] Luke Storey: And then that idea might not be true. But, you know, with my ideas around, um, con uh, uh, kind of everything that people like David Ike were talking about 30 years ago, that I was studying 20 years ago, the playbook doesn't really change. You know, the circumstances of how those, um, those initiatives and kind of conspiracies come to light changes because we're in a different time.

[01:10:56] Luke Storey: But it's like when you look at the end result of. [01:11:00] More control, totalitarian, tiptoe thing. You know, it's like incrementally going toward the same goal. When you kind of look ahead at the outcome, it's easier to see the steps and identify them.

[01:11:14] Alyson Charles Storey: Mm-hmm. All right. You wanna get to all these goodies sitting on the floor here?

[01:11:20] Luke Storey: Yes.

[01:11:20] Alyson Charles Storey: What are we calling this

[01:11:21] Luke Storey: drum roll, please? Luke's latest.

[01:11:23] Alyson Charles Storey: Oh, Luke's latest.

[01:11:24] It

[01:11:24] Luke Storey: has the double L kind of as a ring to it. I'm open

[01:11:27] Alyson Charles Storey: to, I call, I call that the wrong thing.

[01:11:28] Luke Storey: I'm open to better, you know, um, better, uh, kind of brand names on this.

[01:11:33] Alyson Charles Storey: Mine was the very unique Luke's favorite things.

[01:11:36] Luke Storey: Yeah, I mean, that's accurate, but it doesn't really, you know, it doesn't ever a ring to it.

[01:11:41] Alyson Charles Storey: Well, I know I was

[01:11:42] Luke Storey: being

[01:11:43] Alyson Charles Storey: sarcastic when I said

[01:11:44] Luke Storey: that was unique. We need, we need to come Luke's latest. I don't know. We'll come up with something. But, uh, for those that haven't heard these, these, um, a MA episodes, we do, I don't, we do one a month, right? And every month I discover something new that I think is really cool.

[01:11:59] Luke Storey: And so I [01:12:00] get excited about it and oftentimes it's like I just got the thing the day before that day, and I'm, I just tried it once. Uh, which brings me to the first one. This is called the Pul Seto, and this is a vagus nerve stimulator. And this one is super cool because it's hands free and it does both.

[01:12:25] Luke Storey: Sides at once. So I've had some others. I have a drawer full. I mean, I think I have two of other ones. I forget their names right off hand. Um, but you know, they work essentially the same way. You put some of this conductive electrode gel on your neck and um, and then you would hold the device there and it's, you know, it's not hard to hold it there.

[01:12:45] Luke Storey: It's maybe five, 10 minute treatment, but still you can't really do anything else while you're doing it. But the Pul Seto goes around your neck and you put the little gel on and you just leave it there [01:13:00] for your eight to 10 minutes. And it has a really great, because I'm always looking at like how the app functions and how easy it is to use things.

[01:13:08] Luke Storey: Sometimes people develop really great technologies in the wellness space, but they're not user friendly. They're a total pain in the ass. And so I've had devices and things like that that over the years that I see benefits from, but it's just such a hassle to use them. So I just kind of fall out of the habit.

[01:13:24] Luke Storey: This one I've used twice. Super cool. And, um, for those that are unaware with the vagus nerve, this has to do with balancing your nervous system so that you are able to fluctuate between sympathetic and parasympathetic, right? So you need to be in a sympathetic nervous system state to be active and get things done, and have conversations like this and so on.

[01:13:47] Luke Storey: But if you're always stuck in that, it, uh, it's, it's not good for your long-term health and overall wellbeing. Likewise, if you were always parasympathetic, you would just be taking a nap and [01:14:00] meditating all day and never get anything done. So, um, working with the vagal tone allows you to have more agency over your nervous system and to be able to relax when you want to and to be motivated and, uh,

[01:14:14] Alyson Charles Storey: adaptation.

[01:14:15] Luke Storey: Yeah, adaptation energy, right. So, um, so I found a lot of benefit from working with these technologies in general, so I'm really excited with this one, uh, because the ease of use and it also has a number of different frequencies. So there's, uh, some that are designed more to help, uh, with sleep onset and sleep quality and duration and some for anxiety and so on.

[01:14:36] Luke Storey: So I'm just getting to know the app, so it's a new one, but I'm super excited and we'll link to it in the show notes@lukestory.com slash 6 6 3 for people that wanna check it out. The only gripe I would have with this one is that it is synced with Bluetooth and anyone that knows me knows, like I'm just so anti [01:15:00] EMF, but in order for it to work the way that it works, it's kind of required.

[01:15:03] Luke Storey: And unfortunately, a lot of the innovations in the wellness tech space, they want ease of use. And so they don't want a bunch of wires and it just becomes complicated for people. So most people that aren't super EMF sensitive and EMF Aware would be like, I don't want a bunch of wires cool. Bluetooth, I get to sync it with my phone.

[01:15:24] Luke Storey: It's a little bit annoying to me. But the thing is, I'm always looking at cost to benefit ratio. So, okay, so I've got Bluetooth around my skull, around my neck for eight to 10 minutes a day. Or maybe if I do a couple a day, but I am improving my nervous system over time in a, in a very quantifiable and scientifically, uh, verified way.

[01:15:49] Luke Storey: My thinking is that my nervous system is going to be more resilient for the EMF in life in general that I can't prevent, right? So if I'm [01:16:00] driving around in the car and going to the airport and on planes and I'm in high EMF areas, one of the worst, um, you know, like, uh, negative effects of EMF is it's harmful to your nervous system in your brain.

[01:16:16] Luke Storey: So my thinking is like, ah, I wish it didn't have Bluetooth, but I am guessing and pretty certain that the overall sort of global benefits are going to exceed that minimal amount of Bluetooth exposure. So I'm willing to take one for the team with, you know, Bluetooth devices. Some people that are like way more hardcore about EMF would probably skip it.

[01:16:42] Luke Storey: But I know, you know, I know my own body and I can feel when something is beneficial. So, uh, shout out to Paulo for designing something awesome. And, you know, the Bluetooth is probably not a big deal, but if they had a wired one, I would pay more for that. Put it that way. So that's the first [01:17:00] one.

[01:17:00] Alyson Charles Storey: Okay.

[01:17:01] Luke Storey: Uh, a second one is a rediscovery of a compound that I started using, I don't know, 15 years ago or something called astaxanthin, which is a, uh, marine algae extract.

[01:17:14] Luke Storey: It's like a red algae. Super cool, different than spirulina or chlorella, which are other, uh, microalgaes that are also really good for you. But this works in a different way. I did a show with the inventor of this, uh, recently, it's called Ax three BioPure Astaxanthin, and I was really impressed by that conversation to the point where now I'm megadosing this, not in a dangerous way.

[01:17:39] Alyson Charles Storey: Oh boy. Yeah,

[01:17:40] Luke Storey: no, I mean, you know, you're kind of, the minimum dose would be one capsule a day, which is 12 milligrams. So I'm doing like two in the morning, two at night.

[01:17:49] Alyson Charles Storey: What does it do?

[01:17:50] Luke Storey: Uh, it's a really powerful antioxidant and helps mitigate, mitigate, mitigate the damage of oxidative stress. [01:18:00] Oxidative stress comes from

[01:18:00] Alyson Charles Storey: I need that.

[01:18:02] Luke Storey: I'm just, I don't, I I don't like to push my supplements on you.

[01:18:06] Alyson Charles Storey: I, yeah, but I didn't know it existed yet.

[01:18:09] Luke Storey: Yeah, well, I didn't, it's been my secret. I, I only have one bag left. I don't want you to hog it. No. Um, so what that means is you get oxidative stress from just living, right. Your mitochondria produce energy in your cells and just like the energy that you're.

[01:18:26] Luke Storey: Car engine produces, there's a byproducts, there's exhaust from that. And so, um, oxidative stress free radicals, this is just from being alive and being active. But one of the main sources of oxidative stress is EMF wah wah. So I think of astaxanthin as a comprehensive antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and there's tons of data to support that fact.

[01:18:53] Luke Storey: Uh, and it does it in a very unique way. Also, sun damage, that's another source of oxidative stress. You know, I love to get a lot of [01:19:00] sun, you know, and it's beneficial, but also has a downside of the oxidative stress. So I think of astaxanthin as internal sunscreen. Um, anti-inflammatory for my old aching joints.

[01:19:14] Luke Storey: Uh, really good for skin, really good for hair as well. Uh, but my main thing is the resilience to EMF. So this is kind of, to me it's like a, an internal shielding for EMF,

[01:19:28] Alyson Charles Storey: it's capsules.

[01:19:29] Luke Storey: Yep. And then also did a podcast, uh, about this one recently, and I had just started using it, so I. I was like, I believe in it.

[01:19:40] Luke Storey: You know, I read the data, did the things. I did my due diligence and was like, yeah, this is legit. I'm gonna start using it. But again, it was a conversation. I was like, holy shit, this is amazing. And this is called active skin repair. And so they have two main products. I can never pronounce this one. Acid.

[01:19:56] Luke Storey: What's it called? Oh, Jesus [01:20:00] Hydro.

[01:20:02] Alyson Charles Storey: Want me to try

[01:20:02] Luke Storey: Doesn't, I don't think it's on the bottle. Hypo chloric acid, hypochlorous, hypochlorous acid. And this is something that your body produces when you get a cut, burns, scrape, bug, bite, whatever. Anytime you break your skin or injure your skin, your body produces this acid via your white blood cells and it gets delivered to the site of irritation, eczema, psoriasis, whatever, acne and your body makes it.

[01:20:29] Luke Storey: So it's a natural compound that's been synthesized. And I, at first I was like active skin repair. That's kind of a weird name for. You know, a skin product. Why isn't it called super lotion or something? But it really does repair your skin. Um, so it's antimicrobial and can be used on, you know, skin, fungus, athlete's, foot, all this kind of stuff.

[01:20:50] Luke Storey: But I use it right now on bug bites and also just when I'm getting irritated skin, as you know, I often have weird red, irritated feet for [01:21:00] some reason.

[01:21:01] Alyson Charles Storey: Aw,

[01:21:01] Luke Storey: you're, I've been to, to a podiatrist. They're like, yeah, we don't know. You just, you have like red, shiny, weird feet. Um, good luck to

[01:21:07] Alyson Charles Storey: you. Remember when you had used to joke and call 'em zombie feet?

[01:21:10] Luke Storey: Yes. Little

[01:21:11] Alyson Charles Storey: zombie feet. I,

[01:21:11] Luke Storey: there's a reason why I wear socks on this podcast video folks. I do not have attractive feet. Very strange toenails, crooked toes. Aw, foot binding. When I was a little rock and roller who would only wear beetle boots. Two sizes too small. 'cause I was insecure about my massive feet.

[01:21:27] Luke Storey: Well,

[01:21:27] Alyson Charles Storey: it's 'cause kids at school used to make fun of you. 'cause you had big feet.

[01:21:30] Luke Storey: They did. They'd be like, why'd you wear your skis to school, Luke? Aw, yeah. And so I would cram my feet into shoes that were too small, like my whole childhood. So I,

[01:21:39] Alyson Charles Storey: God bless your feet, honey.

[01:21:40] Luke Storey: Yeah, God bless them. Anyway, it's probably TMI for those listening and watching.

[01:21:44] Luke Storey: But this active skincare repair is legit. It's like the ultimate first aid. So think about Neosporin, but not made from petroleum oil, um, and chemicals. It actually works. And then they have this other, um, hydrating cream, which I [01:22:00] was like, I don't know. I don't need hydrating. But this is hyaluronic acid.

[01:22:04] Luke Storey: Which is used in a lot of really high end skincare products, but these guys have like super concentrated version of that. So this is really good for anti-aging wrinkles, blemishes and so

[01:22:16] Alyson Charles Storey: on. You didn't show me that one. You hid that one.

[01:22:18] Luke Storey: I don't, like I said, I, you know. No. '

[01:22:20] Alyson Charles Storey: cause you showed me the other ones.

[01:22:22] Alyson Charles Storey: You just conveniently left out that they made the one for the face. I only have whole

[01:22:25] Luke Storey: bottle

[01:22:26] Alyson Charles Storey: and you hear me talking about the notices or the things I'm noticing in my face changing.

[01:22:31] Luke Storey: You know why I don't tell you about some of these things is because in the past I've overwhelmed you.

[01:22:39] Alyson Charles Storey: That's true.

[01:22:40] Luke Storey: Trying to push too many things on you and you'll be,

[01:22:42] Alyson Charles Storey: but I would never feel overwhelmed with a Okay. Collagen face or not collagen. A hyaluronic.

[01:22:48] Luke Storey: Okay. Well, while we're at it, do you want to like, you want to get the grill on point? Go back to your twenties. I know what to do.

[01:22:56] Alyson Charles Storey: What

[01:22:57] Luke Storey: if you want to take care of your skin?

[01:22:58] Luke Storey: Yes. Okay. You can use [01:23:00] this high

[01:23:00] Alyson Charles Storey: Yes.

[01:23:01] Luke Storey: Hyaluronic acid. Right. What I like about it is a, it's, it is, you know, um, proven to be really effective, but it doesn't make you greasy 'cause it's like a gel.

[01:23:11] Alyson Charles Storey: Let me feel it.

[01:23:12] Luke Storey: So, but the other thing I haven't told you that you've probably seen in the refrigerator, and that is, um, uh, living sil.

[01:23:21] Luke Storey: And it's a really concentrated silica, I take it because it displaces aluminum and my brain is full of aluminum from breathing chemtrails for 55 years and probably drinking out of aluminum cans and so on. But the silica is the massive collagen builder. And so if you want to, don't

[01:23:41] Alyson Charles Storey: you put that in our water already?

[01:23:43] Luke Storey: The silica?

[01:23:44] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah.

[01:23:44] Luke Storey: Uh, no.

[01:23:45] Alyson Charles Storey: Oh, I thought you put that in our water. Our drinking.

[01:23:49] Luke Storey: No, I put other weird stuff in our water. Oh, I put the easy water gel and I do all kinds of stuff in our water, but no, the um, the um, um, sica, it's called living silica. [01:24:00] Yeah. Like people will drink, um, Fiji water, certain natural spring waters are high silica.

[01:24:06] Luke Storey: And so people will be like, I'm drinking four Fiji waters a day, dude. Like in one shot glass of that silica you're getting, I probably like, that's like drinking 20 bottles of Fiji water something. So it's a really high concentration of silica derived from plants and, um, that's the ultimate thing for skin, hair and nails, but also not just skin in terms of, um.

[01:24:31] Luke Storey: You know, just having smooth skin and not wrinkles, but the elasticity of your skin.

[01:24:35] Alyson Charles Storey: Mm-hmm.

[01:24:35] Luke Storey: So if you were to take that silica, a lot of collagen protein and vitamin C, like that is the, as far as I've discovered, the best thing you could ever do for your skin in terms of anti-aging.

[01:24:47] Alyson Charles Storey: Okay. So

[01:24:48] Luke Storey: there, I'm not holding out anymore.

[01:24:49] Alyson Charles Storey: I saw the silica in our fridge. I just, for some reason I was sure that that was getting added already to our water, so I did not,

[01:24:56] Luke Storey: it's too expensive.

[01:24:58] Alyson Charles Storey: You just take a shot of it.

[01:24:59] Luke Storey: Yeah. [01:25:00] I mean, I just like, it has like a squirt top. So think like about a shot glass.

[01:25:06] Alyson Charles Storey: Mm-hmm. Does it have a flavor?

[01:25:08] Luke Storey: To me? No. To you and your super senses, your bionic sense of taste and smell?

[01:25:15] Luke Storey: Um, probably, but it's, it's pretty mild. I mean, you could also take the silicon and just put it in a drink or anything. I mean, it doesn't, it is tasteless enough where it'd be easy to mix in something, but even by itself it doesn't. Okay. It has less of a taste than Quinton Water, put it that

[01:25:30] Alyson Charles Storey: way. Okay.

[01:25:31] Luke Storey: Um, so yeah, so added bonus on the living silica.

[01:25:35] Luke Storey: Amazing. It's quite expensive though. It's like 45 bucks for a bottle of it. I get it on Amazon. It's, yeah. Unfortunately it's, it's not cheap, but, um, you know, what's the cost of having a brain

[01:25:46] Alyson Charles Storey: if you swear by it?

[01:25:47] Luke Storey: Yeah. I mean, what's the cost of having a brain full of aluminum? You know, I'm not, I'm not about that Alzheimer's and dementia situation.

[01:25:55] Luke Storey: So if I have to invest 45 bucks a month to like. Have a healthier brain for longer, [01:26:00] I'm willing to do it. I'll spend less money on some other, you know, superficial expenditure. Uh, the other one that I'm been super pumped about for a while, I just keep running out of it. It's so annoying. I think I just have to like mega stock.

[01:26:15] Luke Storey: And that is this Keytone, Q-I-T-O-N-E. It's uh, um, ketone powder. Now. I've been taking exogenous ketones for the past few years and I really noticed like physical energy and mental clarity when I take it. But the liquid versions of it are really, really nasty even to me. Uh, like just unbearable. So this powdered version, somehow they managed to create a concentrated ketone powder.

[01:26:45] Luke Storey: And there's also a coffee creamer, which I think I actually, I did show you this one and

[01:26:50] Alyson Charles Storey: yes, you

[01:26:50] Luke Storey: did. The taste might be weird for you. To me it doesn't have a taste. I just put it in. It was

[01:26:54] Alyson Charles Storey: fine.

[01:26:54] Luke Storey: But there's a creamer one that actually tastes really good that you can put in your matcha and coffee and stuff.

[01:26:59] Luke Storey: Oh, [01:27:00] but what's rad with this, um, ketone is not just that it is very mild and easy to take 'cause it doesn't really have a taste. It literally puts you in ketosis for five or six hours after you take one dose of it, which is like insane to achieve that through a dietary restriction. For me is impossible. I mean, that means like you, you, you can't have any carbs.

[01:27:26] Luke Storey: No glucose. No sugar. I mean, you would have to only eat meat and fat, which is like the keto diet, right? It's impossible. For me, I think it's just the worst thing ever. It's like so hard, but also I just don't think it's good for you. I don't think human, the human body is designed to eat that diet. We're omnivores, right?

[01:27:45] Luke Storey: It's like we are hunter gatherers. We're eating all kinds of weird stuff. We're eating plants and berries and fruits and vegetables and all kinds of animals and fish and all the things, right? It's like, just intuitively I feel better just eating a balanced [01:28:00] diet. Um, you know, whatever that looks like. So taking the ketones is a way to cheat the system and get the benefits of ketosis and feeding your brain and your mitochondria ketones without having to have some crazy ass anorexic diet or taking ketone products that taste like a bucket full of assholes.

[01:28:20] Alyson Charles Storey: Okay. On that note,

[01:28:21] Luke Storey: the next one is, and this, this one, I mean, I always think I'm, no, I'm more excited about this one, but. I'm, I'm just a nerd. I love this shit. So this one is called the jovial lamp. If I can pull it over here.

[01:28:32] Alyson Charles Storey: Wow. It's very heavy.

[01:28:33] Luke Storey: Yeah. It's hardcore. It has a very sturdy base. And this is made by my friend Brian Hoyer from Shielded Healing, who's been on the show a couple times.

[01:28:40] Luke Storey: Uh, he's an EMF expert and now he's gotten into the lighting space. He works with Brian from Sauna Space. They collaborate on some stuff. So the jovial lamp is, I gotta look at my notes here 'cause I just got it. I'm not studied up. But, um, this is a halogen bulb. Actually, I'll point it toward the camera for people watching the [01:29:00] video.

[01:29:01] Luke Storey: This is a halogen bulb and essentially what this is doing is creating sunlight indoors. So if you live in a place like Texas where the weather is inhospitable, the majority of the time, you know, these houses are built like hermetically sealed vaults. Right. Um, no airs going in or out, which is why we have the sper air purifiers going in the house.

[01:29:23] Luke Storey: Right. Um, but the main issue with, uh, living indoors is the, is being cut off from the natural spectrum of light, specifically infrared light. So if you have, uh, windows in your house that have what's called a low e coating, that's for energy conservation so that your house doesn't get hot when the sun shines through the windows.

[01:29:43] Luke Storey: So the infrared light of the sun is getting blocked. Not to mention glass also totally distorts the UVA and UVB spectrum. I think it's the UV. I forget which of the uv, A, B, or C gets totally blocked by any and all glass. But basically living [01:30:00] inside buildings where your, the light is filtered through any kind of glass is super shitty, uh, and really bad for you on multiple levels.

[01:30:08] Luke Storey: Um, specifically in terms of mitochondrial function. So this light is very warm. I mean it's like a heat lamp, which you can use for spot treatments too, for inflammation soreness, like you can the sauna space, pure red lights. But this one is for the geeks out there, 580 nanometers golden light. So like sun spectrum emits red and near infrared, which is what we're starving for.

[01:30:37] Luke Storey: Living indoors. It feels really warm and beautiful. So I have this on in my office all the time when I'm working. And, um, what I'm going to do, because I don't have a lot of space on my desk for this like lamp fixture itself, is I'm gonna take these, I'm gonna get a couple more of these bulbs, [01:31:00] probably take it outta here and put it in the overhead.

[01:31:03] Luke Storey: Uh, recessed can light fixtures. I just wanna confirm that it's safe to do that 'cause it does create a bit of heat, but. If they're made of metal, I think they're rated to be able to handle heat. So you know how in in all of ours we have these incandescent lights? Yeah. Those also create a lot of heat, so I don't think it's a problem.

[01:31:19] Luke Storey: What's cool about these is that in the jovial light, the shape of the bulb. Is the kind that goes in recess, light, so it fills up the whole little cavity, right? Whereas our, like those incandescent bulbs up there, they're made for a lamp. They're like the, you know, teardrop shape. So they're, they're not really, they're not made to function with that.

[01:31:39] Luke Storey: So they don't really radiate the light in a more broad way. But this one's gonna make a really big footprint of light. So this is my greatest, um, and latest discovery in terms of just improving the light where I spend the most time, which is in the daytime, my office. And then there's no blue light, but this still wouldn't be like a sleep and [01:32:00] circadian friendly light spectrum.

[01:32:02] Luke Storey: So at night I switch on to the sauna space. Little healing light, which we have, you know, as you know, all over the house. And so that brings the, the dedicated infrared light into the home. So I'm really super pumped on this guy. And you're right, it is, um, it's very heavy. They made the base heavy so it doesn't fall over.

[01:32:23] Luke Storey: So I just gotta figure out how to Please don't fall apart when I set you down.

[01:32:28] Alyson Charles Storey: Oh, sorry. Cookie. Scare the

[01:32:29] Luke Storey: shit out of the dog.

[01:32:30] Alyson Charles Storey: That's so heavy.

[01:32:31] Luke Storey: Yeah, it's hardcore.

[01:32:33] Alyson Charles Storey: Good Lord.

[01:32:33] Luke Storey: You want a heavy base so it doesn't fall on you while you're sitting at your computer, basically.

[01:32:37] Alyson Charles Storey: You okay. P She got startled. Oh, sweetie.

[01:32:40] Luke Storey: Oh no.

[01:32:40] Alyson Charles Storey: Hey, well come here. See? Mama.

[01:32:42] Luke Storey: Did you pee your pants? I'm

[01:32:43] Alyson Charles Storey: sorry. Cookie. Aw, look at her honey.

[01:32:45] Luke Storey: You're okay.

[01:32:46] Alyson Charles Storey: She's upset.

[01:32:48] Luke Storey: She got really scared.

[01:32:49] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah, that was very spooky.

[01:32:51] Luke Storey: Um, ooky Nut. Yeah, I think, I think those are, those are Luke's latest. I'm always on the lookout for. New [01:33:00] modalities, products, devices, supplements that improve your life.

[01:33:04] Luke Storey: It's just, I don't know, I, I never seem to lose my passion for discovery and research and trial and error with this stuff. So I'm, I'm so grateful that, uh, so many of these emerging brands reach out to me on a regular basis and wanna send me their stuff to try. And I'm like a kid in a candy store every day, is Christmas here in Texas?

[01:33:24] Luke Storey: I'm like, checking the mail. Oh, what's this things I didn't even know were showing up, show up. And so I feel very blessed to be able to, um, you know, try these things out and work with them and then share 'em with people. The thing is too, um, that's motivating to me is that a lot of the stuff it takes to be well is really expensive.

[01:33:48] Luke Storey: That's part one. Part two is I firmly believe, and I've said this a million times, that if people had the discipline to get a little movement in their life, to be outdoors [01:34:00] in the sunshine and natural light as much as possible, to get hot, to get cold, to mitigate the EMF in your life as much as you can. Um, to do grounding practices, earthing practices, to be more out in nature and to organize your life in a way where you're just not inside.

[01:34:18] Luke Storey: I think, I think being indoors is the number one killer. Lemme just put it like that. So breath work, meditation, prayer, movement,

[01:34:28] Alyson Charles Storey: doggies,

[01:34:29] Luke Storey: doggies, love having an amazing wife, husband, et cetera. Um, the most meaningful things you can do, sun gazing, watching the sunrise. Watching the sunset. The most meaningful and powerful things you can do are all free.

[01:34:43] Luke Storey: So for the people that are like, oh, only rich people can be healthy. No, you could not spend money on any of this crap and just do all the things I just mentioned on a daily basis and build a discipline around that, which does require some sacrifice. And you would probably make more [01:35:00] gains than someone, you know, a Brian Johnson biohacker guy that spends, you know, $2 million a year on all this stuff.

[01:35:07] Luke Storey: That said, I've also observed how when there's an emerging technology, say, um, red light therapy, for example, that, you know, I got into, I know 10 years ago, right? It was every single device was like thousands of dollars and I couldn't afford them. Um, saunas, you know, would be another example. What happens is as public awareness grows and more people get turned on to how effective some of these, um, different.

[01:35:34] Luke Storey: Technologies and supplements and things are, the public demand goes up. And when the public demand goes up, then the manufacturer marketer, consumer prices all get lower over time. It takes a while, but it's like, I don't know how much this lamp is, but if, if these were in Walmart, 'cause everyone knew about it and everyone wanted them, it would be 15, $20 [01:36:00] instead of 60 or whatever it is now, right?

[01:36:02] Luke Storey: So for people listening and watching to the show on a regular basis, don't be discouraged if you're in a place in life where it's not financially viable to test out and experiment and invest in some of these things that can, you know, be kind of a financial burden. Just know like everything's getting cheaper all the time because more people are becoming aware of them and more people want them.

[01:36:28] Luke Storey: So sometimes it's a matter of patience, but more than anything, it's like, don't take any supplements, don't use any of this technology and just follow the laws of nature. And that unfortunately takes much more discipline than just clicking Buy now on some website.

[01:36:48] Alyson Charles Storey: All right. Can we, um,

[01:36:49] Luke Storey: that's my soapbox.

[01:36:50] Alyson Charles Storey: Wonderful. Great.

[01:36:51] Luke Storey: I'm getting down from the soapbox back into my studio chair.

[01:36:54] Alyson Charles Storey: Can we just do one more since I'm struggling today?

[01:36:57] Luke Storey: Yeah, we're good. I am. We're like an hour and 42 minutes [01:37:00] in.

[01:37:00] Alyson Charles Storey: Whew. I'm just me, my brain. I am so feeling so much. You're

[01:37:06] Luke Storey: on the struggle bus.

[01:37:07] Alyson Charles Storey: Uh, yeah. Her,

[01:37:09] Luke Storey: you, you know why I'm not,

[01:37:10] Alyson Charles Storey: why?

[01:37:11] Luke Storey: Because I took 25 milligrams of Modafinil and about three tablespoons of piracetam.

[01:37:18] Alyson Charles Storey: I don't know what the second one is, and I'm not on either of those, and I'm on, unfortunately, the struggle bus today. So

[01:37:27] Luke Storey: That's good. I mean, I think these, these, the sweet spot for these seems to be about 90 minutes to me.

[01:37:32] Luke Storey: And we're, I mean, we're already past that.

[01:37:34] Alyson Charles Storey: Do you wanna be down?

[01:37:35] Luke Storey: No, no. Go. I'm, I'm, I'm pumped. I'm, I'm in. Oh,

[01:37:38] Alyson Charles Storey: I am. So not So we're gonna end with Zara's question. Okay. Uh, what do you do when you have the urge to use escapism as a means to ending everyday stressors in life? So when, when you're experiencing stressors and you feel that urge, whether.

[01:37:57] Alyson Charles Storey: Unconsciously or consciously to just [01:38:00] escape the stressors that are presenting? Like what do you do when you reach that edge? Yeah. Uh, 'cause sometimes, I mean, I think it is healthy depending upon what chapter you're in in life or what the level of stressor is. I mean, watch a little reality TV here and there.

[01:38:19] Alyson Charles Storey: Like, I don't know that you have to resist all of those urges.

[01:38:23] Luke Storey: Yeah, that's a really good question. And as you first read it, I was like, uh, I'm a huge escapist. But, um, contemplating on that a little deeper, I would recommend letting go of judgment around what is escapism and what is self-care and how I would divide those if I had to categorize them for myself.

[01:38:52] Luke Storey: Escapism as in the way that it's commonly held as a negative [01:39:00] in my experience, have been ways in which I've tried to change the way I feel or avoid thinking about something, feeling something I want to get out of my experience of being mean, my own skin, which for a long time for me it was hard drugs and alcohol and pornography and.

[01:39:22] Luke Storey: Reckless sexuality and anything I could do to just not be within my own field. And all of those things had dire consequences. So, as I say, don't judge, you know, escapism is, is good or bad. It's, it's not even a matter of good or bad. It's just, again, to the cost benefit ratio. I could use pornography today and it would be a great escape, but the price I would pay for it emotionally and spiritually would be catastrophic.

[01:39:53] Luke Storey: And I know that from personal experience. So,

[01:39:57] Alyson Charles Storey: so yeah, that's a good point. What type of escapism?

[01:39:59] Luke Storey: [01:40:00] Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I'm, I'm trying to bucket them a little bit, and this is gonna be individual to all people. I mean, I don't know, another guy might wake up in the morning instead of meditating, they go to, um, what's that site?

[01:40:12] Luke Storey: PornHub or whatever, you know, OnlyFans or whatever. I

[01:40:14] Alyson Charles Storey: think kids, these Yeah, I was gonna say

[01:40:16] Luke Storey: this. Yeah. I mean, and there's

[01:40:17] Alyson Charles Storey: fans,

[01:40:18] Luke Storey: no judgment. I mean, that's the thing. Like, as a sober person or someone who's, you know, at this point in my life, I, I choose to not use pornography for example. I have no judgment about it because I used to do all that stuff.

[01:40:29] Luke Storey: It's like, what am I judging my own self? Mm-hmm. I'm like, who? It's the pot calling, the kettle black kind of thing. So it's, it's not from a place of judgment, it's just, it's from a place of what serves me and what doesn't. It's not, it's not even a moral issue. Right? So there are certain, uh. Ways that I have or even still avoid feeling what I'm feeling and I want to escape my experience because I don't know any other way to deal with it.

[01:40:56] Luke Storey: Right? So I'm not gonna touch any of those things I just mentioned, for example. [01:41:00] But, you know, I would say my relationship to chewing coke leaf is problematic for me. Uh, I would prefer that I didn't do that. I don't know that it's an escape, but it's definitely like a crutch and a coping mechanism that I use more than I would like to, if I'm honest.

[01:41:17] Alyson Charles Storey: It's a skin, it's an escape from eating food.

[01:41:20] Luke Storey: It is definitely a, a way to never eat at all. Um,

[01:41:25] Alyson Charles Storey: the the natural GLP-1.

[01:41:28] Luke Storey: Yeah. Yeah. Um, another one for me would be like looking at my phone going, Hmm, I'd like to go on Twitter and just disappear into like an MK ultra mind controlled, fucking addictive tech platform.

[01:41:41] Luke Storey: And I'm like, nah, don't do it. Don't do it. I go, ah, just for a minute. And then you, next thing you know, like 15 minutes went by and I go, where was I? What, what just happened? Right? Social media for me is probably the stickiest one and one that I feel doesn't serve me, but I, I fall prey to it more than I [01:42:00] would like to.

[01:42:01] Luke Storey: I've gotten better. It's one of those things that, that's interesting. Like with a true addiction, in my experience, it never just resolves itself and gets better. It only gets worse, worse and worse and worse until you end up in jail. You know, living on the streets or

[01:42:18] Alyson Charles Storey: life and kids left you.

[01:42:19] Luke Storey: Yeah. Mental institution, like your life just totally goes to shit.

[01:42:24] Luke Storey: But there are other things that, like with social media, it's, it, for me, it doesn't get worse because I have an awareness around how it's not supportive to me. And so I'm able to pump the brakes and have some regulation of it. It's not totally out of control. Uh, but for me, that's definitely a form of escape, kind of in the, in the more negative sense that, that I, um, you know, would prefer to even do much less than I am now.

[01:42:53] Alyson Charles Storey: Well, okay. You, are you gonna continue?

[01:42:55] Luke Storey: Yes. For a very long time? No. I, one more thing just before I lose my train of thought. [01:43:00] So, but pertinent to, was it jojo?

[01:43:04] Alyson Charles Storey: We're on December

[01:43:05] Luke Storey: Z Zara.

[01:43:06] Alyson Charles Storey: Yeah.

[01:43:06] Luke Storey: C Zara's question. Jojo was the last one. So. What I think is a positive form of escape for me is, I mean, I'm doing nu calm, you know, at least once, if not twice a day or I'm doing the, uh, the visor, you know, the light show or the Lucia light.

[01:43:23] Luke Storey: I'm taking a ice,

[01:43:24] Alyson Charles Storey: you're doing your little vocal practices.

[01:43:26] Luke Storey: I'm doing my vocal practice.

[01:43:28] Alyson Charles Storey: What's that one my neighbor is on?

[01:43:31] Luke Storey: Yeah. But new calm, uh, it's like voice lessons. Yeah. So that's 15 minutes. I'll do that, you know, usually in the sauna or I go sit in the sun midday if, you know, just I track the, um, the solar noon and I want to go out there and get naked in the yard and soak up as much sun.

[01:43:47] Luke Storey: And while I'm there, I might just be still, but usually I'm going to stack something else. Like I'll do my, uh, my speaking practice or something like that. The reason I'm doing all the speaking practice is 'cause I'm gonna be reading my audio book [01:44:00] soon and I'm terrified of reading aloud. It's not a strong skill for me.

[01:44:05] Luke Storey: So I'm trying to develop that so can really deliver, um, on that. Um, you know, on the audio book. So there's a lot of things I do on a day-to-day basis that could be looked at as escapism or distraction, but they're actually just pauses in the. Default mode of how I operate and, and how I can tell that they're positive is they improve my life.

[01:44:29] Luke Storey: Even though, you know, from the outside you might be like, ah, this guy's, if you just put like one of those time-lapse cameras on me in the house. 'cause I, I just, I work from home, right? It's like I'm sitting at my desk, I put on the light, I do the hydrogen machine, I go in the garage, I get on the inversion table, jump in the ice bath, go hail some CO2, jump in the sauna.

[01:44:48] Luke Storey: It's like I take a lot of breaks to just break the inertia of stress or just being overwhelmed. And so I like to, [01:45:00] um, you know, I've also arranged my life in a way where I work from home and I, I don't have a corporate job or something like that. I think 'cause a, I couldn't stand it and no one would have me in that kind of setting.

[01:45:10] Luke Storey: I tried jobs a couple times. It did. It wasn't, it wasn't for me. And both parties agreed. You know? So, yeah, I've put in a lot, a lot of years of hard work to be able to work for myself and kind of be my own boss, which has the positive, um, aspect of that being that I, I'm the one that kind of dictates my day and what I do, and I'm able to take breaks to care for myself.

[01:45:33] Luke Storey: Maybe it's escaping from stress in a positive way. That would be much harder if my lifestyle was different. But no one gave me the lifestyle that I have. You know, it wasn't like I had a trust fund where I could just, oh, I'm gonna start a podcast. I mean, I worked my ass off and continue to work my ass off to be in a position where I can self-regulate and spend a lot of time on self-care and still get [01:46:00] an adequate amount of work done.

[01:46:03] Luke Storey: So to summarize, I would say to the person asking the question, Zara, let's first maybe put on paper, map out two categories of what you feel you use as avoidance or escape. Have one side column be things that you use in that way that have a quantifiable negative impact. And then on the other side, things that you do that are positive.

[01:46:37] Luke Storey: Like for me it's, I haven't seen you for a couple hours 'cause I've been focused on some work. I make a point to come find you and have a really nice long hug. Breathe together, hold each other

[01:46:49] Alyson Charles Storey: a cuddle time.

[01:46:50] Luke Storey: Yeah. So it's like that would be on the right hand column of, yeah, I don't know. An escape or like a self-soothing, however you would want to be

[01:46:59] Alyson Charles Storey: the big [01:47:00] spoon.

[01:47:00] Luke Storey: Yes. But it ultimately has a positive. Effect on my life, and it's something that I drive joy from.

[01:47:09] Alyson Charles Storey: Walk the doggie,

[01:47:10] Luke Storey: walking the dog. Yeah, taking a short walk, all these kind of things. So, you know, making a list and then just zooming out and letting go of judgment. And even looking at some of those that you would deem to be negative.

[01:47:22] Luke Storey: Put it up as a, uh, against a cost benefit analysis. You know, so with my earlier mention of my very chronic use of, uh, cocoa leaf, which is why my teeth are always green, if you really zoom in, um, it's a bit problematic for me psychologically because I just don't like feeling, you know, like habituated to something.

[01:47:44] Luke Storey: Nicotine, same thing, same category. But for right now, I'm at a point where it's like, eh, I still get more out of it than I lose. So I'm just kind of observing and keeping an awareness around it. I'm being honest with myself, I'm acknowledging it so it [01:48:00] doesn't become a shadowy, Shay, Shay weird thing. But I would prefer to just be able to be comfortable in my skin and also be able to be productive and focused without necessarily having to have so many of these little crutches.

[01:48:13] Luke Storey: So, you know, list out your coping tools and then distill the ones on the left hand column that are potentially negative into the ones that are definitely causing you harm. And put some real focused attention. Into loving yourself enough to find ways to eliminate those from your life.

[01:48:38] Alyson Charles Storey: Well, that you have led perfectly into my one and only question around this.

[01:48:43] Alyson Charles Storey: Mm-hmm. Is what would be one example of a method that a person could implement when they are feeling a very strong pull to that category of the lists that are detrimental, escapism options. They feel the pull down there. [01:49:00] What do they do in that moment where they're wanting to lean into that side where they know it's probably gonna hurt them?

[01:49:07] Luke Storey: I think it depends on whether one's relationship with the behavior can be quantified as a legitimate addiction. Or is it just a habit? An attachment,

[01:49:25] Alyson Charles Storey: let's say it's a habit.

[01:49:27] Luke Storey: Habit would be much easier to deal with an addiction. 'cause addiction in my experience, requires a higher power. That's the whole, that's, that's what, uh, that's what defines addiction to me, is something that, like me as my own entity, cannot control.

[01:49:46] Luke Storey: Just tried, failed, failed, failed fail over and over again until finally it's like, okay, yeah, I can't do this. You know? Um, regardless of consequences. I think with pornography, that was, I don't remember ever like praying to God to help me with that. I think that was, [01:50:00] I don't know if it was an addiction, depending on who you ask, but it's definitely something that was a repeated behavior for a very long time that I knew had negative consequences, but I was still compelled to do it, you know?

[01:50:12] Luke Storey: But it wasn't like I had to go to porn rehab. It just got to the point where I was like, I love myself enough to not cause myself the harm that this is causing. So I,

[01:50:22] Alyson Charles Storey: but what did you do in that moment then, when you were trying to, when you got to that

[01:50:26] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:50:27] Alyson Charles Storey: Place of clarity and then the urge to click on porn again came.

[01:50:32] Alyson Charles Storey: What was the method that you implemented right then?

[01:50:35] Luke Storey: You know, I wish it, I wish it was, man, I'd probably be a billionaire if I had like that five step process. You know? It's like for me, it took a very long time

[01:50:45] where

[01:50:45] Alyson Charles Storey: you're just like, Nope, nope, nope. Like, right.

[01:50:47] Luke Storey: Well, for me it was like just normal because I was always at such a low frequency that it was just like, what?

[01:50:52] Luke Storey: That's who cares? I mean, it's just like so normalized in my life, starting from eight years old, [01:51:00] literally 1978, to be exact. So up until a few years ago, it was something that was either daily. Do constantly for many years. Then I started to notice after I got sober, it was like, that was a crutch I kind of held onto and I would notice it just made me feel icky and shammy and just hungover and irritable and weird.

[01:51:23] Luke Storey: And so I'd test it, you know, I'd stop for a little while and I'd be like, ah, I must've been tripping. I could get away with it this time. It'll be fine. It'll be different, right? So just repeat that. Experiment. Hundreds, if not thousands of times where I was like, okay, I'm definitely sure I felt fine, but something compelled me to go to this kind of tool and now I feel much, much worse.

[01:51:43] Luke Storey: And after that happened enough times in a way that I could track, it was just like, okay, this has gotta stop. But also something that I think helped was having some accountability in that I was married to you, right? And it's like that kind of energy does [01:52:00] not, it felt out of alignment for me before I ever met you, but still here and there.

[01:52:05] Luke Storey: I was like, yeah, what's it is not gonna hurt anyone, you know? But being with you and living in a home that is very holy and sanctified, and I'm transparent and honest with you, and have to be for my own. Integrity and wellbeing. Um, not to mention that the health and longevity, longevity of our relationship, but it's like if I today had a slip on that, like there's no way I could withhold that from you.

[01:52:33] Alyson Charles Storey: Well, also the one time you did slip, I smelled it. Yeah. And I told you that. I asked you, I was like, did you happen to look at porn? Yeah. And you are like, uh, yeah,

[01:52:43] Luke Storey: yeah.

[01:52:43] Alyson Charles Storey: I totally knew.

[01:52:44] Luke Storey: Well, that's, I mean, that's ano even if I was dishonest, which I'm not. Um, yeah. I mean, you, you just see right through me that like you're impossible to lie to, even if I was in the habit of lying, but, you know, taking this [01:53:00] person, c Zara probably doesn't have issues with porn.

[01:53:02] Luke Storey: I don't know if they use food or sugar or whatever it is to self-soothe or escape. But I think when, when, when you identify that a habit or attachment or even, you know, some levels of addiction are problematic, having transparency with people you trust to develop some accountability around that is really important because then you have, you know, someone with whom you're tracking your behavior and your resilience and discipline around that behavior.

[01:53:33] Luke Storey: Sugar's a big one for me too, like. It's probably not good to eat the amount of sugar I eat, but I really crave sugar at night, and so I just kind of let myself have a pass and, you know, I would prefer to eat less sugar and you see me pounding a whole acai pint or whatever, and it's like, you're not there being my mom or trying to police me.

[01:53:52] Luke Storey: But if I decided one day, like, okay, I've had enough Allison, the sugar shit is outta control. It's not serving me. [01:54:00] Um, I need your support in holding me accountable. I'm gonna go one day, starting tomorrow without sugar. Help me track that. You would. Mm-hmm. And I wouldn't resent you for doing that because it was invitational.

[01:54:13] Luke Storey: So, you know, communal support, whether you're in partnership or friendships, if it's on a higher level into the realm of like bonafide addiction, then it's group slash peer, 12 steps slash god spiritual support is what was required for me. But with other things, it's just like they get to the point where I go, you know what?

[01:54:35] Luke Storey: This was serving me and I'm grateful that I had the experience and now the, the, um, consequences are outweighing the benefits in such a meaningful way that I'm just done. And it's like a hard pass and it gets boundaried out of my experience completely. And it's just not something I'll toy with at all.

[01:54:56] Luke Storey: You know,

[01:54:56] Alyson Charles Storey: I think when you have enough practice too, of knowing what that [01:55:00] abstinence pivot feels like. Then when you get clear, you know what the abstinence pivot feels like, and you do the pivot. Yeah. And then you're, you abstain. Um, yeah. But if, I mean, I'm just saying for example, if um, Zara's not, you know, hasn't had to be in that way of operating in life and hasn't learned what that feeling of, that pivot, um, feels like, then maybe it'll just take them some practice of, um, if they determine that their escapism tools are hurting them.

[01:55:36] Luke Storey: Oh my God. I just missed, I'm so glad we didn't end already. Um, and I'll try to make this brief. I think I just missed the 90% of this answer, which is what's driving the escapism? What am I trying to escape from? What unprocessed hurt from my past trauma, um, memories. [01:56:00] What am I anxious about in the future?

[01:56:02] Luke Storey: Where, where am I playing small and I'm afraid I'm gonna be seen in failing when I try to go big?

[01:56:08] Alyson Charles Storey: Or the example that just came in for me is what if Zara, I don't know if Zara's a woman or a male Zara's I've known in the past, or female. So what if she, um, is. Devoting a lot of her waking hours to various other healing methods.

[01:56:26] Alyson Charles Storey: And she just wants to have a pocket of each day where she's quote unquote escaping into something that's just more mundane, like a reality show or, you know.

[01:56:34] Luke Storey: Yeah, totally.

[01:56:34] Alyson Charles Storey: It's like, it could be a million reasons.

[01:56:36] Luke Storey: Totally. Yeah. I think I, for me, the more that I've really gone into the, uh, the deepest shadows of, of my life experience and been willing to face and heal underlying hurt there, there's less of a drive to escape.

[01:56:54] Luke Storey: 'cause there's nothing to escape from, you know, and also, um, putting a lot of [01:57:00] dedication into, uh, meditation and mindfulness for a really long time has given me so much freedom from the mind. I just used to get so captured by my mind in obsessive, resentful, anxious, self-loathing thoughts. I mean, just like I was so tortured by my thinking for so long and having put a, a lot of effort and received a lot of grace, and just having a much quieter mind and a mind that doesn't talk to me with such repetition and force, I'm not as compelled to try to escape the thoughts in my mind because the thoughts aren't as mean and destructive anymore.

[01:57:39] Luke Storey: They're just not. They're just, it's quiet up there, you know, not that I'm always in a good mood. I mean, you know, I'm like pissy and moody, but it's more of like an energetic, emotional thing than me getting stuck on some rumination thought loop that is gonna drive me so insane that I need to drink a pint of vodka to [01:58:00] make it stop, you know?

[01:58:01] Luke Storey: Um, so yeah, going to the root causes is like really making peace with the mind and understanding how the mind functions, understanding the nature of ego and projection and self-identity, getting to know who you really are outside of the persona, beyond the persona, and learning to love that and, and really being willing to go in and face, you know, those scary, scary, sometimes ancient hurts that still fester inside.

[01:58:37] Luke Storey: You know, those are the things like that, that are, those are the things to me that are in my life, are asking to be faced and addressed and healed. And sometimes how they ask is by getting me to run and escape, to avoid having to do that difficult work because it is really hard work. It's hard to change, man.

[01:58:56] Luke Storey: There's nothing fucking harder than changing [01:59:00] yourself. There's so much inertia behind our patterns. To disrupt them is really, really hard. That's why most people never change you. I'm sure you, this is the last thing I'll say. This always trips me out. Say you knew someone pretty well 20 years ago, right?

[01:59:21] Luke Storey: And they, you know, are just on their own path, doing their own thing, right? They might not be as spiritually motivated or inclined as you. And then you see them 20 years later and their old shit is still intact. They're still exactly the same. It's like they're crystallized. Mm. This isn't a judgment, it's just an observation.

[01:59:39] Luke Storey: It's not making them wrong for that. Maybe they're just not wired toward transformation, and I'm not better because I am wired toward that. It's just different, you know? So I know it's so hard to change, even if you're someone like me who really, really wants to change badly. So imagine you're [02:00:00] someone who's not really motivated to change, but you're just miserable.

[02:00:03] Luke Storey: Imagine how hard it is to change and transform your life if you're just not inclined in that way. So that helps me give people a lot of grace and also give myself grace. And just to warn people, like, yeah, if you, you know, if you feel motivated to. Get on a spiritual path and you're into personal development and growth.

[02:00:26] Luke Storey: It's not the easy choice, it's the, it's by far the hardest choice because of the work that has to be done and the, and the sacrifices that have to be made that seem like sacrifices, which later turn out to be acts of self devotion and self love. Like you'd think of porn like, oh, it's a sacrifice. I can't watch porn.

[02:00:46] Luke Storey: Oh my God, what a beautiful gift to myself to remove that toxicity from my life.

[02:00:53] Alyson Charles Storey: Amen.

[02:00:53] Luke Storey: It's only a gain.

[02:00:56] Alyson Charles Storey: Alright, well on that note on it's [02:01:00] only a gain.

[02:01:01] Luke Storey: Yeah. I

[02:01:01] Alyson Charles Storey: feel like that's a,

[02:01:02] Luke Storey: sometimes the gains hurt though. You know, when you gotta let go of something to which you're attached, it's uncomfortable

[02:01:07] Alyson Charles Storey: for, it's so worth it, you know?

[02:01:09] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[02:01:09] Alyson Charles Storey: So much beauty in it too. And it is possible. And there are some patterns obviously, that are easier to shift than others. And yeah,

[02:01:18] Luke Storey: some of it too is just things that we, we get the idea we should change, but are kind of just how we're wired. You know, I've sometimes thought, wow, what? What would my life be like if I just was totally normal and didn't take any supplements and do all the health things I do and stuff?

[02:01:38] Luke Storey: And it's like, I literally don't think I could do it 'cause it's just who I am. All my little neurotic tendencies and things like that, it's just like biting my fingernails. It's so gross and embarrassing. I've been doing it my whole life and I, it is like, I've had experiences like, you know, working with five M-E-O-D-M-T or something that's just [02:02:00] so monumental in terms of its impact on my very being.

[02:02:06] Luke Storey: And I'll think, oh, I bet when I come outta this, I'm never gonna bite my nails again. Right. And two days later I'm like, ah, yeah. So that's one. The one thing I loved about Ramm dos is he was like, you know, a really, uh, talented and wise teacher, but he was always really authentic and humble about his limitations and just about his neurosis.

[02:02:26] Luke Storey: And he just finally accepted like, yeah, I'm just, I have my own little weird quirks and there's no sense torturing myself, try trying to absolve myself of them because they're just kind of inherent to my nature and my character and who like them. We did

[02:02:39] Alyson Charles Storey: come here to be a human.

[02:02:41] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[02:02:41] Alyson Charles Storey: I mean, we literally incarnated so that we could experience being a human.

[02:02:48] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[02:02:49] Alyson Charles Storey: So to expect to be absolved of every human tendency in the unique forms that humans take, that [02:03:00] literally makes no logical sense because we came here to be a human.

[02:03:03] Luke Storey: Yeah. There'd be no purpose to come here if we were already perfect. You know, we are perfect.

[02:03:10] Alyson Charles Storey: Exactly.

[02:03:12] Luke Storey: Even in our humanness, we're perfect, but even one step removed on the soul level, we are absolutely flawless and perfect.

[02:03:22] Luke Storey: So it's like, yeah, we come here and we go, okay, I'll sign up for this job or this curriculum wherein I'm gonna be saddled with all of these challenges and imperfections just so I can work through them to get back to the place I am now before I take a body, which is absolute perfection and unity with God.

[02:03:42] Luke Storey: It's like we, we lose ourselves just for the point of finding ourselves again.

[02:03:48] Alyson Charles Storey: Oh boy.

[02:03:48] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[02:03:49] Alyson Charles Storey: Well,

[02:03:50] Luke Storey: well, thank you sweetheart.

[02:03:51] Alyson Charles Storey: Thank you.

[02:03:51] Luke Storey: Yeah. I appreciate, I know you were,

[02:03:52] Alyson Charles Storey: I did the best I could. I, you know, struggle busing, but

[02:03:56] Luke Storey: it's okay. You, you hauled your ground on the struggle bus. Woo. [02:04:00] We made it, uh, two hours in, which is the equivalent on the struggle bus of about about 20 miles.

[02:04:05] Luke Storey: So,

[02:04:06] Alyson Charles Storey: ready to get off the bus. Peanut's giving me the burger. Stare down.

[02:04:09] Luke Storey: Yeah. She,

[02:04:10] Alyson Charles Storey: she's locked in right now.

[02:04:11] Luke Storey: She's ready. I wanna thank also everyone listening and watching. Uh, I truly appreciate you and, um, you know, if you're here two hours and nine minutes in, you're a ride or fly friend of the show, and I appreciate that.

[02:04:26] Luke Storey: And if you feel. Naturally and authentically called, it would be so appreciated if you share this episode with a couple friends. I mean, just, it's that little arrow on your phone. Just click share text to people you love. Or even better, maybe text this to two people that you really don't like at all as an act of kindness and forgiveness.

[02:04:53] Alyson Charles Storey: Oh

[02:04:53] Luke Storey: boy. And maybe they'll hear, maybe they'll hear something in this conversation, Alison, I had, that will make them more likable. [02:05:00] Maybe they will go, shit, I haven't changed at all. I'm one of those people that hasn't changed in 20 years. Goddammit, I'm gonna get on the program and then they'll be worthy of your friendship.

[02:05:09] Alyson Charles Storey: Oh boy, you never know.

[02:05:09] Luke Storey: Just kidding. Not really. Love you guys. Peace out.

[02:05:12] Alyson Charles Storey: Bye.

[02:05:13] Luke Storey: See you next week.

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